LLAMA Minutes - October 7, 1999
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Attending were:  Marine, Brian, Bill, Thomas, Oliver, Alex, and
Naomi

Agenda:
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- Third party software licenses - Alex
- Matrix of possible Fees/Customers/Support - Oliver
- Third party software in the Release - Thomas
- Next steps, discussion (more information that we need to
	collect, dependencies of issues that need to be addressed)
- Date and time for next meeting - Thurs, 10/14, 4-5 PM, N42-202

1.  Third party software licenses - Alex
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Alex distributed a matrix of licensed 3partysw, covering:

	- signed license?
	- license manager?
	- timed key?
	- restriction on concurrent use?
	- wrapper needed?
	- grant of use (where, who)
	- ok on personal machines?
	- geographic restrictions?
	- freely downloadable?

Highlights are that:

- the type of user is not all that relevant in the license.  All
allow MIT faculty, students, and staff to use the product

- all licenses allow use for teaching and for non-profit academic
research

- the grant of use column (where, who) is the most critical

- Maple - we have both an institutional and a personal use
license.  We may not be able to distribute copies under the
institutional license for personal use UNLESS the person (e.g.
student) goes to Angela and signs a form.

- Matlab - this is the major problem application.  The license
retricts our licenses to "UNIX workstations administered by
Athena."  We want to maintain a good relationship with the
company, and so don't want to stretch a legal interpretation that
would damage this.  We need to talk more about Matlab and about
the new contract that is being negotiated.  We should invite
Angela to a future meeting to learn more about this.

- Numerical Recipes and S Plus - for use on Athena machines only

- Stata - in the same category as Matlab

- Xess - what does "all MIT computers" mean?

ACTION ITEM - Thomas will write up his thoughts on a reasonable
way to deal technically with these sorts of restrictions.

2.  Matrix of possible Fees/Customers/Support - Oliver
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Oliver distributed a matrix with four dimensions:

A.  Type of machine: 

	- Standard (i.e. Cluster) Athena Hardware Configuration
	and Standard Athena Install

	- Supported Athena Hardware (as identified by the
	Delivery Team) and Standard Athena Install

	- Supported Athena Hardware and Layered Athena Install

	- Unsupported Hardware, Unsupported combinations, and
	Layered Athena Install

B.  Owner of machine:

	- Students
	- Department, Labs, Offices
	- Information Systems

C.  Type of Service

	- Standard Athena Service (e.g. AFS, Kerberos, Hesiod)
	- Install/Reinstall of machine
	- Third Party Software applications
	- Hardware Maintenance
	- Tech Support (for problems and trouble-shooting)

For each of these elements, there is a proposed Service
Level, Support Level, and Fee, if any.

HOMEWORK - We will study this matrix before the next meeting and
come back with questions and discussion


3.  Third party software in the Release - Thomas
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Third party software pkgs bundled into the release are:

	- AFS from Transarc
	- Track (not critical)
	- Motif, (libraries and mwm from OSF)
	- Transcript from Adobe

Thomas will check with Greg Hudson re how we use Motif in the
release.  

We have a license for 5000 combined seats for NT and Linux.  That
means that we need to find some way of tracking, and also to
account for students who pick up AFS and graduate.

Thomas will start investigating Arla, and what it would take to
substitute that for AFS on the Linux/Athena clients.

Future agenda items:
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- Oliver's matrix - clarify and discuss - Oct 14 meeting
- Thomas' technical ideas for addressing license restrictions -
	Oct 14 meeting
- Motif - how we use it, how we might get around it - Oct 14
	meeting
- Matlab situation with information from Angela - future meeting