Individualism / Individualisme
Positive vs. Negative
Posted by Alicia on February 19, 2004
Individualism, it seems, has entirely different meanings/conotations in America/France. The words that came up frequently on the American side were "freedom" and "independence." On the French side, the most frequent words were "égoïsme" and "capitalisme". I think that America has a history of supporting individualism. It is an ideal that sprung from the American Revolution, where "the individual" and "individual freedoms" were very important. Because of this, Americans have a very positive view of individualism. Why, is it, do you think that the French views on individualism seems to be more negative?
Capitalism
Posted by Alicia on February 19, 2004
"Capitalisme" came up several times in the French responses to the words. I was wondering, do you consider "capitalism" to be a positive or a negative word?
America as symbol of Individualism?
Posted by Howard on February 19, 2004
I thought it was interesting that both sides mentioned America in their responses, Parisiens was mentioned once on the French side, but no other countries were mentioned. Why is it that only America was mentioned? Is America considered to be the symbol of individualism even though most other countries have had revolutions too?
Individualisme &Travail?
Posted by Felipe on February 19, 2004
Could someone explain better the association between "Individualisme" and "Travail"? It was mencioned two times in the French responses and none in the American side.
typo
Posted by Felipe on February 19, 2004
In the message above I wrote "mencioned" instead of "mentioned". Sorry.
Individualism in France
Posted by Yong-yi on February 19, 2004
Do the French view themselves as having lots of individualism? Or is that more a typical American from a French perspective? Also, could someone explain "pourquoi pas moi?" I don't think I understand how that relates.
Paris
Posted by Isaac on February 19, 2004
Why are Parisians especially individualistic?
vous avez dit individualiste?
Posted by frédérique on February 20, 2004
je pense que les Français ne sont pas aussi individualistes que tu ne le penses et sùrement moins que les Américains !!!
en tout cas en ville c'est vrai que les gens sont plus individualistes mais je pense aussi que cela vient de cet esprit matérialiste qui devient de plus en plus important dans notre société d'aujourd'hui... les valeurs de charité ne veulent plus rien dire pôur la plupart et la mondialisation n'arrange rien!!!
Compléments d'infos...
Posted by Gabrielle on February 20, 2004
Il semble que l'individualisme n'a pas du tout la même connotation en France et aux USA.
En france, l'individualisme est le fait de lutter pour sa propre réussite en écrasant les autres. Apparement, chez vous, l'individualisme est plus proche de la liberté personnelle, de la liberté de penser etc. est ce bien cela?
different connotations of individualism
Posted by Howard on February 22, 2004
I agree that perhaps the French and Americans have different views of the word individualism. To me, individualism is being yourself - to be able to think for yourself and say what you think. I've never thought about associating competition with other people and success with the word individualism. In this light, it makes more sense to me why words like egoisme, capitalism, and seul came up so many times on the French side.
Definitions of Individualism
Posted by Alicia on February 22, 2004
I agree with Howard and Gabrielle's observations. It seems to me that the French and the English definitions of individualism are very different. It seems that in French, the primary connotation is that an individualist is someone who doesn't think of others and will only do things to further improve their own situation, even if it means stepping on others. In America, the definition is more along the lines of someone who is independent, who doesn't necessarily conform to popular thought and instead has their own unique thoughts and feelings. This might explains why the French seem to have a negative connotation to the word while Americans have positive connotations.
But How Did These Different Definitions Spring Up?
Posted by Katherine on February 23, 2004
I admit that when I first saw the responses, I was very surprised. I never imagined that the word would have such a negative undertone with the French (in comparison to the American). I also understand and completely agree with the observations above. It certainly seems that the French definition of individualism is closer linked to selfishness than the American version (which is closer linked to individual freedom). However, is there some past history of the two nations that caused such a variation in the definitions of this word? Why is there more of a negative undertone with the word for the French than for the American?
graphics
Posted by Howard on February 24, 2004
I took a look at the bar graph comparing the words used to describe inidividualism. The differences in how Americans and French perceive the word really stands out. The Americans described inidividualism with positive words like liberty, courage, rights, power, and important. The French described individualism with negative words, such as seul, arrivisme, opportunisme, and ego. It seems from the graph that Americans also associate individualism with ego. However, I'm curious about which words were associated with ego other than ego, because I only see three instances of ego/egocentric on the American side. I am guessing that selfish is one of them. However, the only other words that seem related are self, self respect, and self-governed, which I would not have considered to be related to ego. To me, those three words are positive words that describe the freedom and rights of the individual. What do you think? From the graph, it also seems that the French associate individualism with work/job, since the words travail, capitalism, and opportunisme were used many times. Both sides seem to agree that the U.S. is closely associated with the word inidividualism.