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Thursday, April 15, 1999 
4:00 - 6:00 p.m.
 
Summary
 
  
 
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Robert Zalisk: There have been arguments that we no longer need public 
television because we have so many other outlets for informing the 
public. While there are problems with public television, if you're trying 
to inform the broadest public in what you hope is a democratic society, 
then there are more problems with cable and other outlets.  Rather than 
eliminate public television, we should work to have it become more of 
what it ought to be.  I am particularly convinced of this by my 
experiences with producing the recent cable television documentary called 
Stealth: Flying Invisible.  There are different kinds of problems 
with any project like this. First, there are instrumental problems, which 
are things like not having enough money or not getting certain people 
for interviews. Then there are systemic problems in most distribution 
channels available today that make the instrumental problems more 
likely to occur.  This means that the final product will probably always 
be problematic in some way. 
 
Stealth: Flying Invisible explains the history of stealth 
technology in the military and specifically focuses on three stealth 
planes built for the Air Force.  Stealth is a physical property of reduced 
delectability by radar which is primarily achieved by using shapes for the 
surfaces of planes which scatter energy away from radar instead of back 
towards it. The film also discusses related issues such as surface 
coverings called composites which are construction materials made up of 
several things combined together which are structurally more desirable 
than metals and don't reflect radar waves as much.  
 
 
- The first stealth plane was the F-117 which first flew in 1981 and 
remained top secret for most of the 1980s. It had surfaces like a flattened 
pyramid with intersecting planes like the facets of a cut diamond. It was 
used to attack the Iraq centralized communications, command and 
control centers in the first minutes of the Gulf War in 1991.  No missile 
was ever shot at the F-117 at that time, and it sustained no damage 
from enemy fire. During the rest of the Gulf War, it scored over 1600 
direct hits with no losses.  
  - The second stealth plane was the $2 billion B-2 Bomber which was 
approved in 1981 and first flew in 1989. The B-2 uses a newer way to 
achieve stealth called continuous curvature which also directed radar 
waves away from their source while more naturally supporting 
aerodynamic shapes.  While the B-2 is four times larger than the F-117, 
its radar cross section is smaller. It can also reach anywhere on earth 
from the U.S. without refueling, carry heavy payload of 40,000 pounds 
and operate at 35,000 feet or 50 feet.  The point is made that the Air 
Force expected to build 133 B-2 Bombers, but that was cut to 75 after 
the Cold War ended and to 20 in 1992.  
  - A new fighter called the F-22 was initially approved in 1991, took its 
first flight in 1997, and will probably go into operation in 2002. It is  
designed to be stealthy, highly maneuverable, fast, and supersonic.  
  
At the end of the film, there are a wide variety of view points expressed 
about the significance for military strategies enabled by the stealth air 
planes combined with precision guided weapons, and the film concludes 
with one analyst making the following claim:  
 
 This twenty-first century cloaking device gives hope to some analysts 
that, because it can be so devastatingly successful, it can deter and 
prevent conflict.  If the United States is clearly seen to have the 
capability to arrive over any body's terrorist training camp, over any 
body's capital, over any body's nuclear power or chemical plant, 
whatever it may happen to be, at any time within an hour or two of 
provocation, unseen, unstoppable and certain to succeed, the majority of 
the people, the majority of the time are simply not going to do things to 
expose themselves to that kind of attack. This technological capability is 
largely backed by stealth precision and some other things produces a 
deterrent that has really never existed before. 
Both the B-2 and the F-117 have recently been used in Kosovo where it 
appears that an F-117 has been shot down.  I heard that the B2-Bomber 
had its baptism under two weeks ago, then about three or four days ago I 
heard that they've been using the B-2 continuously.
 
The funding for this project came from both the Discovery 
Channel and Aviation Week and Space Technology, and this 
resulted in two different versions of the film.  One version is sold by 
Aviation Week.  A different version was broadcast on the Discovery 
Channel framed in a series called The Insiders.  We were 
supposed to deliver a fifty-one  and half minute program with six 
minutes of possible cuts.  We didn't realize that part of the bottom line 
of the contract with the Discovery Channel was that really had 
final cut. Depending on how many commercials they had, they would be 
able to choose the first possible cut or second and so forth. There were a 
couple of places where they made some cuts that were contrary to what 
we wanted.  One of those cuts comes near the beginning of the film and 
it significantly affects the message of the program. 
 
At the beginning of the version from Aviation Week there are a 
series of statements by five people over a period of 48 or 50 seconds. It 
is the kind of thing I generally try to do--someone says we needed 
something of this sort, someone else says we created a new technology, 
and that goes on to include someone who raises a contradiction.  This 
early segment served two purposes. First, it is a general outline in which 
the comments represent points expanded during the rest of the film.  It 
also serves to put many contending viewpoints up in front, including the 
one person who raises questions about the utility of stealth with respect 
to air power. Otherwise, he only comes at the very end after all the 
other heavy weights like the architect of the Gulf War and the people 
who designed the plane.  Having him up front together with this other 
group of people was important for giving him the same weight so he 
wouldn't come across like this little dog snapping at people's ankles.  
Unfortunately, the segment with those statements at the beginning were 
cut out of the version shown on the Discovery Channel. 
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Discussion
 
Question: I am curious how the funding happened and how that 
influenced who you considered to be your audience?
 
Zalisk: We had a long standing relationship with Aviation 
Week, so they had confidence that we could do it.  We put together a 
budget of $110,000, and then Aviation Week bumped the final 
budget up to $150,000.  Then the Discovery Channel was 
supposed to fund 40% of the final project, so they put in $60,000. 
However, we only had about $100,000 dollars because McGraw Hill, 
which owns Aviation Week, put in $40,000 instead of 60% of 
the $150,000. That's very problematical.  We basically had to satisfy 
Aviation Week first, since the Discovery Channel didn't 
come in until later. So the Airplane industry was the first audience and 
this was a perspective that was shared by both funders. In terms of our 
success, we've gotten nothing but praise from bothAviation 
Week and the Discovery Channel. The program did the best 
in the time slot.  It began with roughly three quarters of a share for an 
audience when the hour began, and then after half an hour, it went up to 
roughly one share point, which is something over 1 million viewers, 
then it continued to hold that until the end of the program. From what 
I've heard, he Discovery Channel was virtually ecstatic because 
it probably got more of an audience than they were aiming for, and so far 
as I can tell, Aviation Week is selling the tapes.  
 
Question: What do you see would have been different if it were done for 
PBS as a Nova or a Frontline program?
 
Zalisk:  There would be less science and technology, it would be more 
understood that questions would be raised, and there probably would have 
been a little bit more of putting it in the context of history. There would 
just be more time and money. In this area, usually you talk about 
excellence, time and money--choose two.  When you are working for 
cable, you can hope for one because of the nature of the way you have to 
produce on a breakneck schedule without enough money. 
 
Question: Would you elaborate more about why the film doesn't include 
more interviews with critics?  For example, you could find people who 
would tell you that the United States may be self-deterred by the B-2.  
Each one cost two billion dollars, so the Air Force is terrified of using 
them and losing one. 
 
Zalisk: I wish I could give you a good answer to that. Basically, it didn't 
fit the profile. This was to be about how stealth developed, how it was  
achieved, and how was it was to be used. I agree with you, and particular 
with respect to the B-2. But the pressure was that the program was not 
about describing a debate or a policy.  The little bit that comes up at the 
end was about as much as I could get in. In the first draft, there was an 
entire section about the theory of air power which included a discussion 
of whether air power alone would even be sufficient.  The problem 
became where to put it so that it wouldn't break up the continuity.  The 
reaction at Aviation Week was that explanation got in the way of the 
description and would cause people to forget where they were, so they 
felt I should leave it out or raise it at the end where I did.  I'm not even 
sure Discovery Channel's decision to cut the brief reference early 
in the film was ideological. It may have been more that the person 
who had the power to make that decision didn't particularly like the way 
the person presented himself or something.
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Question: It strikes me that Aviation Week is sort of the 
National Inquirer of the defense industry. It is the legendary place 
that's actually full of embarrassing information about weapons tests that 
went wrong or over budget. I wonder, given that they sponsored the 
film, if they would have been open to more technical criticisms.   
 
Zalisk: At Aviation Week, it came down to the personality of who we 
were dealing with on the project. Although we had the help of the 
editorial side, this was done by a marketing wing.  That drove 
everything.  The degree to which that was true was something I came to 
understand as I went through the process.  There was an atmosphere in 
which I self censored and didn't realize it. This is what I found most 
debilitating and leaves me most frustrated. The driving thrust at 
Aviation Week was to get a tape that could be marketed and 
under the Christmas tree by the end of last year.  At one point, we 
virtually had a go ahead, and then it was delayed. Then, not withstanding 
the fact that we had a three or four month delay, they refused to change 
the date of acceptance of the script. We still needed to finish everything 
within less than three months.  We ended up having to say, "OK, sue 
us."  We knew it wasn't possible, and they knew it, and we would just 
have to go to court over it. The effect that had was that there was a great 
deal of pressure over the potential that one of the world's largest 
publishers might sue us for a couple of million dollars.  If we had one 
more day, I might have gotten in a comment. This is what I mean when 
I talk about systemic problems.  I think that the fact that this was driven 
by money and wanting to have a product that is going to be sold 
amplified the problems and made it difficult to have something that was 
more than just the basic information. 
 
Thorburn:   Are you saying that the ground rules that Aviation 
Week set for the project precluded the possibility of even discussing 
the wisdom of trying to create horrendous weapons and all of the other 
moral questions embedded in the piece that were not confronted.
 
Zalisk: Essentially, yes, but wasn't written anywhere, and it was hardly 
said. It was the atmosphere. This is why it is so pernicious. You fall 
into it yourself.  It's like being a journalist in 1973.  No one ever told 
you that you can't talk about something, yet you know that if you are 
going to talk about it, you can only talk about it in a certain way.  That 
is what I really came to appreciate personally, and I hope I am helping 
you to understand it too. For me, it is still a process of learning.  When 
I look back, I really wish I understood this better. Aviation 
Week has a reputation for doing fairly sound journalism. They are 
very close to the industry, but they do raise questions and try to cover 
both sides in some measure. Now what often happens in journalism 
generally is that one source may give a single view, but there are thirty 
other different views. It is assumed that in the variety of sources of 
information that are available, the public will be well served anyway.   
Unfortunately, what we have is all this narrow casting that comes out to 
serve a particular purpose, and that purpose comes to be only a certain 
information and only up to a certain level.  On the Discovery 
Channel, the audience was told that this it was the insiders view, so 
they were reminded that they were only getting one viewpoint, but I 
somehow suspect that there is not going to be a series called The 
Outsiders. 
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Question: You were dealing with something where only a tiny piece 
must have been declassified to allow you access. Did they just tell you 
what they wanted you to know and that was it, or were you were getting 
information and they censored what you weren't allowed to say?
 
Zalisk: It was definitely only limited by what was available, which you 
understand are tidbits.  Here we had the advantage that Aviation 
Week has a large network of editors and reporters who have covered 
some of the tests or are in Washington, so we could evaluate the 
information that we were given by the military.  I would write 
something and it would go to Bill Scott, who has covered stealth for the 
last six or seven years. It would also go to major editors at Aviation 
Week, and then I would also frequently call other people that I 
know. 
 
It is also important to understand that we do know that if the radar 
signature of stealth planes is not literally down to a bumble bee, the 
signature is probably not much bigger than a pigeon.  If you have some 
sense of the scale, it really isn't necessary to know exactly what it is. 
The same is true of precision weapons. We have seen in Kosovo that 
they do occasionally go astray, but that is vastly different from the end 
of W.W.II where 20,000 bombers and hundreds of planes would drop 
thousands of bombs on a city to hopefully hit a factory. Now we send in 
twenty or thirty planes with 10 times that many bombs. Even though 
we don't know the exact number that go astray, at least I'm reporting 
that there is a vast difference in scale. The last issue of the New 
Republic even has an editorial article praising the new technology 
because there is less physical and civilian destruction. Somehow, 
although fighting and war is not the preferred way, that's got to better 
than killing tens or hundreds of thousands of people when what you are 
really trying to do is knock out this one little factory on the corner.
 
Thorburn: That is true, but there are other perspectives having to do 
whether or not some super power should be this technological tyrant that 
controls the world by having stealth bombers that no one can go up 
against.  That was the main thing I came away from this thinking. 
These military guys are talking about how we control the world! It 
terrified me that there might be some measure of truth in the degree to 
which, as the only super power, we are also the most dangerous culture 
that has ever existed on the face of the earth.  Would Aviation 
Week have permitted you to question the congratulatory tone of 
those descriptions of technology and military achievement?
 
Zalisk: I don't want to believe that they would, because it reflects on my 
skill, foresight and awareness at a particular moment. However, when 
I step back and am out of the situation, I see that maybe with a little bit 
more time and a little bit less pressure, then I might have found a way 
to get it in other perspectives in a way that would have been acceptable.  
I don't think they were against raising a question at all. There may 
have been a way, but I didn't come up with it at that time and no one 
pushed it.  That's my point. I know that if I had been at Nova or 
Frontline then the atmosphere would have been one that 
encouraged me to explore perspectives of the sort you are suggesting. 
 
Thorburn:  I want to conclude by saying that  I am impressed by your 
openness to a discourse that is critical, and your willingness to second 
guess yourself and rethink things. This has been a much more 
illuminating session than it might have been because of a heroic 
willingness on your part to say "I didn't quite succeed here." That's a 
very rare quality, and I admire it.
 
Zalisk: Thank you. I believe we need an informed society, and the only 
way that can happen is if we inform ourselves. Its nothing less than a 
sacred responsibility of a journalist--the forth estate --to perform that 
function.  
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