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Note: If you are seeing it in rmail, Note: it means the file has no messages in it.  1,, Summary-line: 2-Sep MABromberg@aol.com #New lighting rental rates Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA11760; Wed, 2 Sep 98 03:29:25 EDT Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01687; Wed, 2 Sep 98 03:29:09 EDT Received: from MABromberg@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id EKSRa11276; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:29:03 -0400 (EDT) From: MABromberg@aol.com Message-Id: <3a0be13c.35ecf3bf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:29:03 EDT To: rsmarcus@MIT.EDU, slevine@fas.harvard.edu, slevine@MIT.EDU, zacheiss@MIT.EDU, mdeeds@MIT.EDU, klmitch@MIT.EDU, mkendall@MIT.EDU, mrbonk@MIT.EDU, gsp-lights@MIT.EDU, goodmanj@MIT.EDU, mikesch@MIT.EDU, vandj@pegasystems.com, crezek@MIT.EDU, chernoff@amt.tay1.dec.com, Ron.Dallas@Teradyne.com, mguetersloh@transfusiontech.com, sclassic@tiac.net, shenderson@kronos.com, sravan@owl.mv.com, ecollins@edc.org, dcl@ties.org, MABromberg@aol.com, jgonda@MIT.EDU, stacy@alum.mit.edu, Leahsab@aol.com, fern@MIT.EDU, ginger_fitzsimmons@maceast.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: New lighting rental rates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 *** EOOH *** From: MABromberg@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:29:03 EDT To: rsmarcus@MIT.EDU, slevine@fas.harvard.edu, slevine@MIT.EDU, zacheiss@MIT.EDU, mdeeds@MIT.EDU, klmitch@MIT.EDU, mkendall@MIT.EDU, mrbonk@MIT.EDU, gsp-lights@MIT.EDU, goodmanj@MIT.EDU, mikesch@MIT.EDU, vandj@pegasystems.com, crezek@MIT.EDU, chernoff@amt.tay1.dec.com, Ron.Dallas@Teradyne.com, mguetersloh@transfusiontech.com, sclassic@tiac.net, shenderson@kronos.com, sravan@owl.mv.com, ecollins@edc.org, dcl@ties.org, MABromberg@aol.com, jgonda@MIT.EDU, stacy@alum.mit.edu, Leahsab@aol.com, fern@MIT.EDU, ginger_fitzsimmons@maceast.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: New lighting rental rates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Hi, lighting fans. Thanks for your past and future patronage. As demand for my equipment has grown, I find I am supplying equipment to several shows at once. It is no longer practical to maintain the unlimited-time, unlimited-free-cable rental rates I have charged in the past. In order to give everyone a chance at the equipment and encourage its prompt return, I am going to a weekly rental rate structure, which is included below. In most cases, I have set the weekly rates at about 60% of the former unlimited-time rates. Dimmer packs have increased more due to the maintenance, transportation, and power connection hassle. One-week renters will actually see their bill decrease, while the typical two-week renter will see the bill increase about 20%. Three-week and longer rentals will increase proportionally. I am also starting to charge a nominal weekly fee for cable, adapters, mounting equipment, gobos, gels, etc. It is my hope that this will encourage designers to figure how much of this they need in advance, and take only what is required. I have acquired and will be adding to the inventory four 8" 1500w Fresnels and two 8' four-circuit 120w R40 strips. If you need a fresh copy of the equipment or gel inventory, just e-mail me at my preferred address: bromberg@alum.mit.edu I am still committed to making lighting equipment available to local school and community theatres at an affordable price. I believe these rates are still a bargain, and hope you will continue to use Three Ring Circuits to supply your occasional theatrical lighting needs. Mike Bromberg, Owner Three Ring Circuits ************************************************************ Three Ring Circuits - Lighting Rental Terms & Conditions Revised 9/1/98 Prices are PER WEEK: $50 for the MicroVision (includes monitor & DMX converter) $10 per dimmer 6 pack $20 for the Teatronics 12-pack $6 for the Hubbellock connector $6 per box of electronics (DMX converter alone, color scroller, two-scene board, Lutron board, switchbox, distro box) $6 for the followspot (includes base, stand, and sight) $6 per blacklight $6 per strobe light (includes strobe controller and control cable) $3 for use of the gel box Each instrument includes clamp, safety, and frame at no charge, but safeties and frames must be ordered as separate items. $6 per Source Four ERS $4 per Source Four MCM PAR (cold mirror) or CCT zoom ERS $2 per quartz flood $3 per other instrument (regular Source Four PAR, chimney ERS any size, Fresnel any size, PAR64, beam projector) $0.50 per barndoor, gobo holder, or gobo $0.50 per sidearm, base, pipe, T-top, Pony clamp, etc. (couplings and mandrels no charge but must be ordered) $0.50 per adapter, twofer, or threefer $0.05 per foot for distro cable $0.02 per foot for stage and Twistlock cable $0.01 per foot for Edison, DMX, and analog control cable Payment is due upon return of equipment. Renter agrees to pay to repair or replace damaged or missing equipment. 10% spare lamps supplied but must be ordered as a separate item. No charge for burnouts if burned lamp is returned. Broken or lost lamps will be charged for. Gaffer tape only on plugs and yokes. No duct or masking tape anywhere. All added tape must be removed before returning. All cable must be returned individually coiled, ends plugged together where possible, tied with tie line (no tape). Tools and expendables no charge, only available for shows I'm working on. No charge for pickup or dropoff if it's convenient to my schedule, otherwise $25 per trip. Mike Bromberg d/b/a Three Ring Circuits 120 Old County Rd. Mason, NH 03048-4308 Phone/fax/answering machine 603-878-2381 bromberg@alum.mit.edu  1,, Summary-line: 2-Sep Geoffrey Dixon #Re: W S Gilberts own yacht Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27644; Wed, 2 Sep 98 17:59:45 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16808; Wed, 2 Sep 98 17:59:17 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA07275; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: dixon@cix.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: dixon@cix.co.uk (Geoffrey Dixon) To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: W S Gilberts own yacht Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum In-Reply-To: *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: dixon@cix.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: dixon@cix.co.uk (Geoffrey Dixon) To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: W S Gilberts own yacht Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum In-Reply-To: Rafe wrote: > _Punch_'s Fancy Portrait of W. S. Gilbert by Linley Sambourne (sp?) > hangs on my office wall (I'm at home now), and pictures Gilbert in a >yacht called "Chloris." > > This wood engraving has been reproduced in a number of the G&S books, > and I'll bet Geoff Dixon can tell us where. > > No, I'll take time to look it up myself in his illustration index; it > was originally published in 1881; check out Allen _First Night G&S_ 141; > Baily _G&S Book_ (1952) 205; Cox-Ife _W.S. Gilbert: Stage Director_ 65. > > A handy index, Geoff's. And he has others, too. Here let me ask him to > post particulars to help SavoyNetters interested in building their > reference libraries. > Rafe, you are too kind!! You have quoted all the references I have to *cartoons* of Gilbert on Chloris. If, however, you look up "Gilbert: portraits: c.1879 (aboard Chloris)" you will find directions to *photographs* aboard Chloris (in Baily _G&S Book (1952) p.146 and in Hibbert G&S and their Victorian world. p.138) Since I am invited to "stir it and stump it and blow my own trumpet" here are the details Rafe suggests: 1) Dixon, G. The Gilbert and Sullivan concordance. 2 vols. Garland Press. 1987. [Out of print] 2) Dixon, G. The Gilbert and Sullivan photofinder: an index to published illustrations of Savoy Operas. 1995. 3) Dixon, G. The Gilbert & Sullivan Journal 56-year index: 1925-1981. 1996. 4) Dixon, G. Index to the Sir Arthur Sullivan Society Magazine, Nos. 1-40, 1977-1995. 1995. Plus, folks, the latest news, exclusive and all that!! 5) Dixon, G. The Gilbert & Sullivan sorting system: a classification scheme for use with the materials of G.& S. studies. (To be published 1999) Geoff. Dixon Ayr, Scotland E-mail: dixon@cix.co.uk (Tel:01292 441547)  1,, Summary-line: 5-Sep Bruce I. Miller #RE: Who likes the Grand Duke? Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19171; Sat, 5 Sep 98 18:30:03 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16033; Sat, 5 Sep 98 18:30:01 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA11231; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: BMILLER@holycross.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bruce I. Miller" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: RE: Who likes the Grand Duke? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: BMILLER@holycross.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bruce I. Miller" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: RE: Who likes the Grand Duke? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 >Why does everyone dislike [Utopia and Grand Duke] so much? I've taken the liberty of expanding the remark above. It's not so much a question of dislike as that they are seriously flawed works, compared with most of the rest of the canon. People make value judgements among the operas in the series. Not every musical by Rodgers and Hammerstein, Lerner and Loewe and even (gasp) the great Stephen Sondheim are of equal merit; neither are the operas of Verdi, Puccini or Wagner - or even Mozart, for that matter. Neither of these works was considered successful in their original runs. Utopia had a weak run, but by compariosn it did well compared with grand Duke, which can only be described as a huge, disaterous flop. Neither work was revived professionally for decades. Utopia was seriously considered in the 1920's but plans were abandoned by D'OC for reasons considered sufficient at the time. The person who swears that King for a Day or I Lombardi are among Verdi's greatest works is self-delusional, for instance, as is the opera fanatic who thinks Il Tabarro or Edgar are among Puccini's greatest achievements. There are certainly merits in all these works, even moments of greatness, but they really are not anywhere near the supreme examples of either composer's output. or even in the middle tier. Neither Utopia or G.D. has the sustained musical excellence and beauty of that in The Gondoliers (although Gondoliers certainly is a long score). And neither is as well paced or dramatically sound as is the book of The Gondoliers, although certainly the signs are there that the direction both the author and composer were going was in that of degeneration (music which would often be overripe and simultaneously less melodically inspired, and libretti which would lack cohesiveness and were often redundant and unwieldy). It should be borne in mind that both Utopia and Grand Duke had as their inspiration plots which undoubtedly were conceptually inspired. It is in the execution of these concepts where the operas suffer in comparison with the others. This is not to say other works in the canon are perfect. The Sorcerer, for example, is relatively early and the authors had not yet developed a consistently sure touch, and we really don't know much about Thespis (the extant music is variable in quality). But the hard facts are that posterity's verdict on Utopia and Grand Duke is that they are at or near the bottom of the list. A poll taken of SavoyNet members not too long ago reflected a similar judgement. It may be that Grand Duke is somewhat better than its reputation (of being so bad that it ought never be revived), but just because something is more than terminally awful doesn't necessarily mean it's a masterpiece, either. Having put this forth, both works are of great interest to those of us who love G & S and they are not without various merits. There are flashes of excellence in both operas, but not nearly on so sustained a level as in their previous efforts. I know that there are numerous disagreements on these points - for example, I love the opening and closing choruses of the Grand Duke, and find this unique symmetry not only a good idea, but one which works well. A recent poster thought the finale was not so hot. Much of the music in Utopia strikes me as having been written by a composer who was not in great sympathy with the subject or the words he was asked to set, and furthermore lacked his former self-confidence. Sullivan pulled himself together to much greater effect in Grand Duke. Gilbert was nearing the end of his creative life, and it showed in practically everything he wrote following about 1891. And there is the fact that both operas were written following the infamous Carpet Quarrel, which left the authors unable to be fully honest and open with each other during the critical creative process when both needed to be fearlessly frank with each other. But as to whether or not they should be included in a Sing-Out, how could they be excluded in a "complete" survey of the operas? Bruce I. Miller bmiller@holycross.edu  1,, Summary-line: 7-Sep Turberville, Mike #RE: Ferrets. Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA17397; Mon, 7 Sep 98 07:07:20 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25763; Mon, 7 Sep 98 07:07:15 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id HAA05257; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: mike.turberville@shearwater.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Turberville, Mike" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: RE: Ferrets. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mike.turberville@shearwater.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Turberville, Mike" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: RE: Ferrets. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) (By the way, what the deil's a "ferret festival"??? Derrick McClure. That's futtret to you isn't it Derrick? But perhaps it relates to the practice of seeing how long one can keep a ferret down ones trousers** as in:- When a ferret's not engaged in his employment (his employment) Or devouring some small rodent for his tea (for his tea) He can often find some innocent enjoyment (cent enjoyment) Down the trousers of the local yeaomanree (yeomanree) Such a ferret festival is most unlikely (most unlikely) In places where the Scottish accents lilt (accents lilt) Since a ferret fits in trousers much more tightly (much more tightly) Than a ferret who is placed inside the kilt Ahh - When a ferret's down your trousers on the run, on the run The experience is not a happy one Happy One* * to be sung falsetto!! ** Note to non UK residents who may be perplexed as to why otherwise perfectly rational Englismen should stuff ferrets down their trousers - so am I !! Mike.  1,, Summary-line: 11-Sep Jeffery Satterfield #Re: Let's end this right now (long) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10536; Fri, 11 Sep 98 09:34:53 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17563; Fri, 11 Sep 98 09:34:52 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA21958; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: aramis@arches.uga.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jeffery Satterfield To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Let's end this right now (long) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (32) *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: aramis@arches.uga.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jeffery Satterfield To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Let's end this right now (long) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (32) I agree with the comments made in this thread already. The gravity of the process is settling in on me and I hope on the whole United States. This is not something to be taken lightly, and we should stop joking and speculating. We can't stop the press from covering this like World Championship Wrestling, but we can keep a higher level of decorum here. Let's let justice take its course. On another subject, this fellow gave me recently a yellowed manuscript that I first thought was an unknown work by our beloved Gilbert. On closer scrutiny, I saw I was wrong and this was a mere hack-work by a little known and not very talent imitator of Gilbert. With great prescience, however, he set the little play forward a century and in the United States. I can't quite get the tunes down for the lines don't scan that well. All I can say is that the real Gilbert would appreciate his disciple's sense of satire, if not his lack of talent. I would strongly urge all Savoynetters NOT to read this material. However, in the interest of the First Amendment (if we can apply it to the Internet), I feel an obligation to post it. Once again, I strongly urge you not to read the following missive, nor to ever try to accuse me of continuing a subject we're all quite sick of. IMPATIENCE, by Gilbert S. Williams ACT I (Setting: The Oval Office. Enter from stage left, Aides, Staff, Cabinet, sing:) "Soldiers of our Bill Linked in friendly tether Though we've had our fill We're in this stuff together Let every firm supporter Come and swear to his truth. Our next full meeting will Be held inside a phone-booth." (Enter Congress, stage right. Sing:) "This country has forsaken all it's wicked, wicked courses, Like going out to bars at night or gambling or horses (Except the horse we rode in on in Congress) No tolerance show we for hypocrites or office buyers We'll get all traitors, drunks and skunks and bribe takers and liars! (We never tell you any lies in Congress!) .. (skip to chorus) We talk of an impeachment but that's just a public preachment We want the folks to like us so we may ignore-- We really aren't priggish but this whole thing is quite biggish And if we're lucky it'll never leave the floor!" (Enter president, stage left, passing out cigars) "Please give me your attention, folks, I'm the president, I am the chief executive and White House resident. I care for all my people, and especially the girls, I love all their assistance and appendages and curls. I like to find them jobs and give them little things to do, I enjoy their company, and who can blame me -- you? But for all my caring goodness and all I've done that's kind Everybody thinks it's for the best that I resigned, And I can't think why!" (Aides, Staff, Cabinet, sing:) "If you want the receipt for that popular mystery Known to the world as a Vice-President -- . . . (this part is worth skipping) Then when room temp'rature they seems to assume A Vice-President is the residuum!" (Vice president doesn't enter; he's been onstage all the time and no one's noticed. Sings:) "If the president leaves this place I'll be its rightful tenant; It'll be much better in that case -- I will not have to win it. But for the nonce I'll just be like a toadying old bore-o, The unsuspected, Disconnected, But elected second man, The Vice President Al Gore-o!" (Enter House Speaker, bearing independant counsel's report and an axe. Sings:) "A more compassionate Speaker never did in the House exist. Compared to the others and even their mothers, I will top the list It is my very logical object to make, if such I can, Each liberal sinner a seven-course dinner --(and then I'll lick the pan) I hope you never think that I am such a fink That I am hoping in my heart this president to sink; But he's made such a stink, it really tickles me pink And I'll proceed, this president, felonies to link." (Likes the sound of his voice, then sings again another ditty:) "Oh come observe this fellow's face Observe the features of his case -- We've got from those who've spied. I think we've got him in a bind (smiles smugly) >From bias free of every kind This trial must be tried." (Aides, staff, cabinet, try to sing "From bias free" but the Speaker lashes out with "SILENCE IN COURT!") (Act one ends, all pointing at president) ACT II: Everyone stands around waiting for the polls to tell them what to do.  1,, Summary-line: 17-Sep TZS@aol.com #Re: Clinton and Gilbert Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA25004; Thu, 17 Sep 98 11:06:20 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AB13310; Thu, 17 Sep 98 11:04:50 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA19680; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <163f3c98.3601231c@aol.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: TZS@aol.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: TZS@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Clinton and Gilbert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: TZS@aol.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: TZS@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Clinton and Gilbert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 In a message dated 98-09-16 09:37:00 EDT, you write: << must correct something one of our English colleagues said. Clinton would like to make all this nonsense purely a discussion of his sex life, which is, and should be, a completely private affair (No pun intended). In fact, he's being hounded not because of that, but because he's allegedly repeatedly lied _under oath_ about it, and supposedly conspired with others to get them to lie _under oath_ as w >> Okay, you're right. But if I had been guilty like Clinton, I too might have felt that the questions were inappropriate and that it was nobody's business what I did in my spare time as long as it was not contrary to running a nation. Having now made this mild apology for WC's behavior, I nevertheless still regret deeply that he acted so irresponsibely. But it might suggest a new parody, although this is nopt a good time for me to be working on it. Of course Bill is Strephon, and it is his mortal half that has prevailed over his fairy brain. Let's suppose the following lyric: When darkly looms the day And Hillary's away To chase the gloom away On you I'll call (or ball) What was that? I think we heard him say That when he wants to play The corridor's okay Against the wall. We think...... M: When cares have gone to far And there's no Kenneth Starr I fancy a cigar You'll give me one./ What was that? I heard the broad reply Her thongs rode up too high And then she heaved a thigh And gave him one! Look, this isn't elegant or polished, it's strictly ad lib, but it may be a little food for thought for other Web-sters to embellish (?) TZS  1,, Summary-line: 17-Sep Bruce I. Miller #Re: Clinton and Gilbert Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26788; Thu, 17 Sep 98 12:30:55 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17141; Thu, 17 Sep 98 12:30:41 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA22509; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: BMILLER@holycross.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bruce I. Miller" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Clinton and Gilbert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: BMILLER@holycross.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bruce I. Miller" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Clinton and Gilbert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 >...a little food for thought for other Web-sters to embellish... Couldn't resist, Tom. The prospect's not so bad; Her (my) knees so sore and sad Shall very soon be lifted from the floor For when things went too far, Reports from Kenneth Starr Say she (I) may be a whore, but Bill's a boor. Yes, Bill's a boor, and much more. Ah! Oh, shamless one, tremble... Bruce I. Miller bmiller@holycross.edu  1,, Summary-line: 18-Sep Roberta Klarreich #Re: SCANDAL DEEPENS Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04478; Fri, 18 Sep 98 21:54:29 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12348; Fri, 18 Sep 98 21:54:18 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id VAA20873; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: roberta.klarreich@yale.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Roberta Klarreich To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: SCANDAL DEEPENS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum In-Reply-To: <199809181905.PAA01737@charon.MIT.EDU> *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: roberta.klarreich@yale.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Roberta Klarreich To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: SCANDAL DEEPENS Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum In-Reply-To: <199809181905.PAA01737@charon.MIT.EDU> On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 opus@mit.edu wrote: [Most of hilarious post snipped] > According to Nolas, the affair lasted for several years, and ended > after Casilda learned that she had been secretly wed in babyhood to > the infant son of the King of Barataria. Though it later transpired > that Luiz was that same son, the article accuses the two of immoral > conduct because they had no reason to believe that they were married > at the time of their actions. The legal issue seems to boil down to this question: Can the queen of Barataria have an affair with her own husband with his own consent? And if she has an affair with her own husband with his own consent, can she be held in contempt by the media of her own country two hundred fifty years later? Ah, Savoynetters, it is painful indeed to have to sit upon a throne which is stuffed with such thorns as these! Roberta Klarreich roberta.klarreich@yale.edu New Haven, CT/Brooklyn, NY  1, edited,, Summary-line: 20-Sep utomatic digest processor #FERRET-L Digest - 19 Sep 1998 to 20 Sep 1998 (#1998-2437) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08985; Sun, 20 Sep 98 02:02:06 EDT Received: from listserv.cuny.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06313; Sun, 20 Sep 98 02:01:49 EDT Message-Id: <9809200601.AA06313@MIT.EDU> Received: from listserv (listserv.cuny.edu) by listserv.cuny.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <3.FFA51A6B@listserv.cuny.edu>; 20 Sep 1998 2:01:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:00:00 -0400 Reply-To: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu Sender: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu From: Automatic digest processor Subject: FERRET-L Digest - 19 Sep 1998 to 20 Sep 1998 (#1998-2437) To: Recipients of FERRET-L digests *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:00:00 -0400 Reply-To: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu Sender: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu From: Automatic digest processor Subject: FERRET-L Digest - 19 Sep 1998 to 20 Sep 1998 (#1998-2437) To: Recipients of FERRET-L digests There are 25 messages totalling 1135 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 5. Ferrets aren't rodents FAQ [humor] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:44:32 -0400 From: Linda Iroff Subject: Ferrets aren't rodents FAQ [humor] This was posted to rec.pets.ferrets, and I was given permission by the poster to send it here. Please remember it was posted in fun and with apologies and much appreciation to Pam Greene and the excellent work she has done on compiling the real thing. Linda Iroff The Raisin Retreat North Coast Ferret Shelter West Oberlin, OH http://www.oberlin.edu/~liroff/ncfs.html ------- This is originally an FAQ (http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/pets/ferret-faq/part1/ faq-doc-15.html) that I sent to my friend in hopes of correcting him when he accidentally referred to my ferrets as "rodents." He sent back the following, which I think is a scream. I hope other ferret owners with a sense of humor enjoy it as much as I did. Enjoy (and don't take it too seriously)! ------- Ferrets are domestic animals, and can be dressed up in formal wear for important social occasions if necessary. However finding those cute little bowties can sometimes be a chore. Their cousins include weasels, skunks and otters. (Other relatives include minks, ermines, stoats (stoats????), badgers (GO WISCONSIN! CHEESE! CHEESE CHEESE!!!), black-footed ferret (??), polecats, flagpole cats, and fishing pole cats.) They are NOT (no, no, no, no, no, no, no!!!) rodents; as taxonomically speaking (which is a fancy schmancy way of whispering just loud enough so that the cabbie who's driving you can hear your pretentious conversations about all things other than rodents....) they're in between cats and dogs, but a little closer to dogs. Sort of. Well, never mind, but they aren't rodents, okay?! And they have absolutely nothing to do with sheep. They are friendly and make excellent pets. If you've never met one before, the easiest way to think of them is somewhere between cats and dogs in personality, but rather smaller. Think of a crazed but cuddly furball with sharp teeth and fast feet and you've got the drift. They can only see reasonably well, but often use cute little canes to get around in addition to their senses of hearing and smell. Some are cuddly, while others are more "independent" (there's a good euphemism eh? "Isn't that just darling?! Look at the way he's locked on to Uncle Charlie's carotid artery with those razor sharp incisors! He's just so danged in-de-pen-dent!"); but do vary a lot, just like other pets. Ferrets are a lot of fun. They are very playful, with each other and with you, and they don't lose much of that playfulness as they get older, even when they sit around in their little ferret wheel chairs, chain smoking, wheezing, cluckking with their false teeth, and playing canasta all day). A ferret -- or better, two, ten or more (hell, get thousands and take over your whole neighborhood! Then you'll really be independent!) can be a VERY entertaining companion. They are smarter than cats and dogs (and rodents!), or at least they act it (Actually they are faking it. They arent' really that bright, but dropped out of Ferret school to smoke dope and hang out-- occasionally with--eek!--those pesky rodents. But it paid off, because one of the rodents--a certain mouse--had show business connections. He helped the ferrets take acting lessons. And they got really good at it, so that's why they can fool you into believing that they are so damn smart. Cute, cuddly, and cunning little devils!). They are also very inquisitive, somewhat impulsive and remarkably determined, which is part of their charm but can also be a bit of a bother if you enjoy predictability in a pet. But they are sooooo friendly, and they do know and love you, though for some of them it can take a year or so to fully bond even though you buy them food and watch as they destroy all of your worldly possessions. They can be trained to use a litter box [7.2] and to do card tricks and magic shows [8.2], and most of them love to go places with you, riding on a shoulder or in a bag or in the glove compartment [8.8]. Like you, they like to sleep a lot, and they don't particularly mind staying in small places (a cage [5.4], for instance, or a shoulder bag, or an unsuspecting friend's knapsack perhaps! Wheeeeeee!!!) temporarily, although they do need to run around and play for at least a couple of hours a day, followed by a beer or two, and a nap on the couch. A "single" ("Hey baby, wanna come back to my place? We can chase each other around like crazed weasels!") ferret won't be terribly lonely, although the fun of watching two or three playing together is easily worth the small extra trouble and expense of having to buy all those little teeny tiney condoms [4.2]. Barring accidents, (or people who finally snap and do them bodily harm--if they can catch them!) ferrets typically live 6-10 years, but it will seem like MUCH longer. Ferrets have lots of good points as pets, but there are some negatives as well. Like kittens and puppies and most adult males, they require a lot of care and training at first. They're "higher maintenance" than cats (but then isn't everyone?); and they'll take more of your time and attention than you realize, until you ultimately end up losing your job. But smile, cause you've got ferrets!. Although most ferrets get along reasonably well with cats and dogs, it's not guaranteed, so if you have large, aggressive pets (particularly dogs of breeds commonly used for hunting, boyfriends, terrorists from thrird world nations, or biochemists from pharmaceutical or cosmetics firms), keep that in mind. Likewise, small children and ferrets are both very excitable, and should be kept locked in separate rooms until your doctor writes your next prozac prescription, while you reamin a safe distance from all sharp objects. Finally, the importance of "ferretproofing" must be emphasized. Ferrets are less destructive than cats, but they love to get into EVERYTHING, (there's a visual, eh? Think our President was a ferret in his former life?) so if you keep them loose you'll need to make sure (make VERY sure) they can't hurt themselves or your possessions because you WILL want to hurt them if you don't [5.1]. They love to steal small (and not so small!) objects and stash them under chairs and behind furniture ("Gosh darnit, where IS that remote control?!?"). They like to chew on spongy, springy things, which must be kept out of reach or they'll swallow bits, pieces and then what will you do for birth control when your significant other shows up later that night looking to play "Attack of Ferret Boy" again? Accessible boxes, bags, and beer cans will be crawled in and emptied ("Uuurp!"), and houseplants within reach are liable to "lose" all their dirt to joyful digging (cause I just luuuuv to dig baaaby!) [5.2]. But isn't that so CUTE!?! Finally, many ferrets tend to scratch and dig at the carpet [5.2], the furniture, the floors, walls, and ceilings if they can be reached. Basically if it's not tied down, and even sometimes if it is, expect if to be "explored". Naturally, these traits vary from one ferret to another, but they're all pretty common. So if you're not willing to take the necessary time to put all of your property inside locked steel boxes each day before you leave for work, a ferret may not be for you. So just go and get yourself one of those filthy rodents. They're much worse, and would be much more suitable for a non-ferret-loving loser like you. ------------------------------ End of FERRET-L Digest - 19 Sep 1998 to 20 Sep 1998 (#1998-2437) ****************************************************************  1,, Summary-line: 20-Sep iam.kelly@abbzh.mail.abb. #Reprise: Brief Interval Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA11976; Sun, 20 Sep 98 02:57:08 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10030; Sun, 20 Sep 98 02:57:06 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id CAA03600; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <41256685.00292A87.00@mail1.ch.abb.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: william.kelly@abbzh.mail.abb.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: william.kelly@abbzh.mail.abb.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Reprise: Brief Interval Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: william.kelly@abbzh.mail.abb.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: william.kelly@abbzh.mail.abb.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Reprise: Brief Interval Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum >... Sullivan was supposed to have said that he was not familiar with the other song, but "After all, we had only 8 notes between us."< 1. Shouldn't that be seven notes, musicologically speaking? Did Sullivan actually say 'eight'? 2. Wagner was once confronted with charges of plagiarism. He is reported to have said, "After all, we only had 12 notes between us." 3. Bartok was once confronted with charges of plagiarism. He is reported to have said, "After all, we only had 24 notes between us." 4. Ravi Shankar was once confronted with charges of plagiarism. He is reported to have said, "After all, we only had 117 notes between us." 5. ALW was once confronted with charges of plagiarism. He is reported to have said, "After all, we only had 5 notes between us."  1,, Summary-line: 21-Sep David C Cho #It's not who you know, it's what mailing lists you're on. Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24679; Mon, 21 Sep 98 09:51:45 EDT Received: from TLA.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20647; Mon, 21 Sep 98 09:49:37 EDT Received: from dcctdw@localhost by tla.MIT.EDU (8.8.7/4.7.5) id JAA21344; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:49:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:49:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199809211349.JAA21344@tla.MIT.EDU> From: David C Cho To: dcctdw@MIT.EDU, alyse@MIT.EDU Subject: It's not who you know, it's what mailing lists you're on. *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:49:38 -0400 From: David C Cho To: dcctdw@MIT.EDU, alyse@MIT.EDU Subject: It's not who you know, it's what mailing lists you're on. Normally, I wouldn't subscribe to the theory that sending mail is an acceptable manner in which to disseminate information like this, but there's just no way that I'll be able to contact everyone in a timely manner. I tried over the weekend, but it didn't really work. Not to mention that we're not sure how to contact everyone, or even how to bring up the subject, since we've both found we're rather shy on the matter. Naturally, the above is just a dodging mechanism for me to determine how to say this, since I never have before and don't know what the acceptable phrasing is, but the short of it all (since you've already been subjected to the long of it) is: On Thursday, September 17th, 1998, alyse agreed to marry me. :) No plans, etc, set up, since I wasn't about to get engaged and then spend the weekend planning logistics. (I realize this probably comes as a surprise to some of you.) Well, ok, we're thinking "next August". :> dave  1, answered,, Summary-line: 1-Oct Cheryl Pope #Yes, we're still coming Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04663; Thu, 1 Oct 98 02:22:38 EDT Received: from krypton.cs.adelaide.edu.au by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15665; Thu, 1 Oct 98 02:22:33 EDT Received: from dornoch.cs.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.8.31] by krypton (SMI-8.6/AndrewR-MatthewD-950530-CS) with ESMTP id PAA27720; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:41:26 +0930 Sender: cheryl@cs.adelaide.edu.au Message-Id: <36131D0F.D15FE70C@cs.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:41:27 +0930 From: Cheryl Pope Organization: University of Adelaide X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Williams , darren kaneshiro , David Braxton , Eddie Denning , "Five O'Clock Shadow" , "James E. Reich" , Jennifer Skidmore , ken w kaiser , mark fausett , Mark Lillibridge , sonja kinzlmaier , William R Spruill , Laura Mendyke , Mike Blake , Susan Williams , David Jedlinsky , dana wiseman Subject: Yes, we're still coming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Sender: cheryl@cs.adelaide.edu.au Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:41:27 +0930 From: Cheryl Pope Organization: University of Adelaide X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Williams , darren kaneshiro , David Braxton , Eddie Denning , "Five O'Clock Shadow" , "James E. Reich" , Jennifer Skidmore , ken w kaiser , mark fausett , Mark Lillibridge , sonja kinzlmaier , William R Spruill , Laura Mendyke , Mike Blake , Susan Williams , David Jedlinsky , dana wiseman Subject: Yes, we're still coming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi again everyone, Since I sent the message out that we're coming and then disappeared, I figured I'd better let everyone know we are still coming. I'll be massively relaxed on the flight over after a hectic first semester (along with the usual, we sponsored a conference which just finished on Tuesday). Anyway, plans are pretty much the same as before, we'll be staying with Mike & Laura Mendyke (well, actually Mike will only be there in spirit as he'll be touring in Japan at the time!) in Boston and with Jim Reich (aka Jimbo) in San Francisco (or more precisely Mountain View :-). > 252 Andsbury is the address. > 650 969-4558 > We're staying with my older brother, Mike, in Melbourne, Florida and with Mom in North Carolina. 706 Marigold St. Goldsboro NC 27530 (919) 737-3739 I don't have most people's phone numbers (everyone's moved and I haven't made that many international calls) so if you can send me your ph. #'s then I'll keep them on hand and make sure you get invited to any and all events which happen in the off chance I can't get to e-mail. See you all soon!!! :-) Love, Cheryl  1, edited,, Summary-line: 15-Oct Bagaria, William J., III #RE: A serious discussion Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15155; Thu, 15 Oct 98 12:50:57 EDT Received: from [208.200.215.130] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22396; Thu, 15 Oct 98 12:50:41 EDT Received: from vbmim01.venable.com by [208.200.215.130] via smtpd (for PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) with SMTP; 15 Oct 1998 16:48:03 UT Received: from [172.29.28.3] (unverified [172.29.28.3]) by vbmim01.venable.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:50:16 -0400 Message-Id: Received: from vbsmt02.venable.com by [172.29.28.3] via smtpd (for [172.29.28.4]) with SMTP; 15 Oct 1998 16:49:33 UT Received: by vbsmt02.venable.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4M6G7MCZ>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:50:29 -0400 From: "Bagaria, William J., III" To: ArcaneKnow@aol.com, buubala@yahoo.com, CJ Mallion , Drea Brandford , Deb Hooker , Donna Hirsch , Erik Droutman , Jeff the Elf , Elkor , Sir Jenga , Jay Kaplan , Judith Bucolo , kdavis7@juno.com, Kirk Wagner , Linda Murray , magorn@yahoo.com, mbahe@ci.aurora.co.us, mgsgjjg@erols.com, Cynthia Cole , Linnea Ruad , Maureen Kaplan , opus@MIT.EDU, Rebecca Neumiller , takayla@aol.com, Kendra Rosenberg , Torcstan , wiggo@juno.com, "Bagaria, William J., III" Subject: RE: A serious discussion Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:57:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BDF85B.E9D1F86A" *** EOOH *** From: "Bagaria, William J., III" To: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: RE: A serious discussion Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:57:00 -0400 Whole Milk and Cream have gotten a very bad name. It is almost impossible to track down a decent chocolate mix with high fat content. For perfect Cocoa 1) Track down and buy the highest fat content per gram of cocoa mix you can 2) Make with Whole Milk (or 2 oz whole milk and 4 oz water for you health nuts or 1% Milk) 3) Heat liquid to 170 degrees before slowly stirring in powder. 4) Chill in fridge to 50 degrees 5) Savor in front of a warm fire 6) repeat no more than 1 day out of 3 For a warm drink 1) Mulled Cider, Winterberry or other warmed juice cocktail with high sugar and spice content but no or low fat 2) Tea 3) Mead Drinks in order of good for you: Water, whole milk, 2% milk, 1% milk, skim milk, Juice with pulp, Juice, corn syrup fruit drinks, soup broth, herbal "Tea", American Tea, British Tea, Green Tea, Indian Tea, home brewed Indian Tea made from blocks? (can't remember the name for a square of tea) juice/ soda non- alcoholic cocktails [favored at Methodist bars], soda, chocolate milk, 2% chocolate milk, cola, caffeine/ sugar mega sodas, caffeinated water, instant coffee, brewed coffee, cowboy coffee, coffee brewed with caffeinated water, cowboy coffee brewed with caffeinated water, caffeine IV drip, ultra- pasturaized milk, American beer, British beer, European beer, wine, fortified wine, spirits, ethyl alcohol, illegal drugs in liquid form. -Bj who buys decent quality cocoa at SAM's Club  1,, Summary-line: 23-Oct Dave Policar #Re: Beam us up, Scotty! Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24372; Fri, 23 Oct 98 12:57:03 EDT Received: from portal.kenan.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28537; Fri, 23 Oct 98 12:56:49 EDT Received: from camb-mail.kenan.com by [208.196.3.178] via smtpd (for SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.72.1.2]) with SMTP; 23 Oct 1998 16:56:51 UT Received: from kenan.com ([198.187.250.236]) by camb-mail.kenan.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id 607; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:50:01 -0400 Message-Id: <36307E27.9E74170E@kenan.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:01:34 +0000 From: "Dave Policar" Organization: Kenan Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Donna Hirsch Cc: 'Elkor' , "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, gumbrew@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, kdavis7@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, mylady@purpleunicorn.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, markulin@ssd.ethz.ch, DroutmanE@tce.com, elf@universe.digex.net, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Beam us up, Scotty! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:01:34 +0000 From: "Dave Policar" Organization: Kenan Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Donna Hirsch Cc: 'Elkor' , "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, gumbrew@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, kdavis7@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, mylady@purpleunicorn.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, markulin@ssd.ethz.ch, DroutmanE@tce.com, elf@universe.digex.net, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Beam us up, Scotty! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't it rich? Aren't we a pair? Or maybe a triplet, or foursome... Hell, we don't care! Send in the clones... There ought to be clones... -dave Donna Hirsch wrote: > And some people think cloning is bad.... > -Ian > > Cloning. . . did someone say cloning? > The Alien Ressurection song - (singing this in the Alien section of the > haunted house will get you killed. I know this from experience) > I'm Riply the eighth I am > Riply the eighth I am, I am > I've been fighting with this alien horde > I've been cloned seven times before > and every one was a Riply!! Riply!!! > they wouldn't have a Vasquez or a Sam > I'm the eighth 'ol clone of Riply > Riply the eighth I am! > -second verse, same as the first! > (I know, I know, quit cloning around) > > --- > "Whenever you fall, pick something up." > -Oswald Avery > > "The whole point of getting things done is knowing what to leave > undone." > -Stella, Lady Reading  1,, Summary-line: 24-Oct selene.isis@bigpond.com #Sound familiar Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04191; Sat, 24 Oct 98 18:28:10 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27224; Sat, 24 Oct 98 18:28:04 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA28293; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <000001bdff9b$5a56e5a0$205d868b@selene.isis> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: selene.isis@bigpond.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "*" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Sound familiar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: selene.isis@bigpond.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "*" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Sound familiar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Things that are just NEVER said in Theatre: BY THE STAGE MANAGER: ... It looks as though there'll be time for a third dress rehearsal. ... Take your time getting back from break ... We've been ready for hours. ... No, I called that perfectly the first time - let's move on ... The headsets are working perfectly. ... The cue lights are working perfectly. ... The orchestra has no complaints. ... The whole company is standing by whenever you want them. ... That didn't take long. ... No thanks, I don't drink. BY THE PRODUCER: ... Of course there's enough money to go around. ... We have money left over. ... No thanks, I don't drink. BY THE DIRECTOR: ... Wow, the designers were right on, weren't they? ... No, today is the tech rehearsal, we'll re-work that scene later. ... I think the scene changes are too fast. ... Of course I think that we'll be ready in time for opening. ... The crew? Why they're just wonderful! ... No thanks, I don't drink. BY THE DESIGNERS: ... Of course all of my drawings were turned in on time. ... Yes, it absolutely is my fault that the set looks awful. ... You know, you might have a point there. ... The director knows best, obviously I wasn't giving him what he wants. ... We have too many gel colors in stock, I can't choose. ... Of course the shop will have the costumes ready on time. ... No thanks, I don't drink. BY THE TECHNICAL DIRECTOR: ... This is the most complete and informative set of drawings I've ever seen. ... We built it right the first time. ... No problem, I'll deal with that right away. ... I love designers. ... No thanks, I don't drink. BY THE ACTOR: ... Don't... Let's not talk about me. ... I really think my big scene should be cut. ... This costume is SO comfortable. ... I love my shoes. ... No problem. I can do that for myself. ... I have a fantastic agent. ... Let me stand down here with my back to the audience. ... I'm sure someone told me there was a wall here, I just forgot. ... Without the crew the show would never run - let's thank them. ... No thanks, I don't drink. BY THE STAGE CREW: ... That instrument is not in the way. ... There's room for that over here. ... We'll get in early tomorrow to do it. ... No, no. I'm sure that is our job. ... Anything I can do to help? ... All the tools are carefully locked away. ... Can we do that scene change again please? ... It's a marvelous show. ... I don't need this many on the crew. ... No thanks, I don't drink.  1,, Summary-line: 26-Oct Harry Benford #Zoo & more Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21022; Mon, 26 Oct 98 10:50:01 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14768; Mon, 26 Oct 98 10:49:57 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA00419; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:49:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:49:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: harben@engin.umich.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: harben@engin.umich.edu (Harry Benford) To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Zoo & more Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:49:42 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: harben@engin.umich.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: harben@engin.umich.edu (Harry Benford) To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Zoo & more Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Not long ago a friend said he understood that the vocal score for The Zoo was no longer in print. This worried me because I assumed it was in print when preparing the third edition of The G&S Lexicon. I wrote the publisher and received assurance that "our vocal score of The Zoo -- which contains the complete libretto along with the music -- is still very much in print." The letter also contained the company's current price list. Thinking Netters might be interested, here it is: R. Clyde, Music Publisher, 6 Whitelands Ave., Chorleywood, Rickmansworth, Herts WD3 5RD, England Orchestral works Vol. 2 Overture in C (In Memoriam) Full score case-bound: $70 paper covers $30 Vol. 4 Overture di Ballo Full score case bound $70 paper covers $30 Works for chorus & orchestra Vol. 8 The Golden Legend Full score case bound $150 paper covers $110 Vocal scores The Golden Legend cloth covers $57 paper covers $18.70 Imperial Institute Ode paper covers $2.60 The Zoo ` cloth covers $55 paper covers $17 Chorus parts The Merry Wives of Windsor -- 8vo leaflet 90 cents Onwards and upwards! Harry Benford  1,, Summary-line: 26-Oct Guillermo J. Rozas #Change of address/phone Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09397; Mon, 26 Oct 98 18:09:49 EST Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11709; Mon, 26 Oct 98 18:09:51 EST Received: from berne.ai.mit.edu (gjr@berne.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.252]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13367; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gjr@localhost) by berne.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA13851; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:49:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:49:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199810262249.RAA13851@berne.ai.mit.edu> From: "Guillermo J. Rozas" To: nobody@martigny.ai.mit.edu Subject: Change of address/phone Reply-To: gjr@martigny.ai.mit.edu *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:49:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Guillermo J. Rozas" To: nobody@martigny.ai.mit.edu Subject: Change of address/phone Reply-To: gjr@martigny.ai.mit.edu Ariane and I have bought a house and moved. Details on demand. Our new address is (effective as of yesterday 10/26) 104 Magneson Terrace Los Gatos, CA 95032 (408) 358-2803  1,, Summary-line: 27-Oct Rebecca A. Consentino #RE: My Turn (fwd) Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09095; Tue, 27 Oct 98 17:54:48 EST Received: from ACS1.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12903; Tue, 27 Oct 98 17:54:43 EST Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs1.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.b5.ACS)/) with SMTP id RAA167162; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:53:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:53:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: Sarah Consentino Cc: Megan Houpt , Jenna Wilkinson , mullinss@emmanuel.edu, jbreindel@brandeis.edu, Julia Martiros , Scott Gagnon , Brenna Pomeroy , Amy Allen , David Jedlinsky , aqua@bu.edu, Tyler Hains Subject: RE: My Turn (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:53:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: Sarah Consentino Cc: Megan Houpt , Jenna Wilkinson , mullinss@emmanuel.edu, jbreindel@brandeis.edu, Julia Martiros , Scott Gagnon , Brenna Pomeroy , Amy Allen , David Jedlinsky , aqua@bu.edu, Tyler Hains Subject: RE: My Turn (fwd) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Okay, here's what you're supposed to do. Copy this entire e-mail and > > change all the answers so they apply to you . . . then send it to > > everyone you know, INCLUDING the person who sent you this. So you > > should get back a lot of other get-to-know- you e-mails, too. You'll > > learn a lot about your friends that you maybe didn't know! > > > > ********************************************************************** > > > > The Ultimate Survey For: Rebecca > > > > Full Name: Rebecca Ann Alexina Consentino > > > Nicknames: Becca, Beck (but NOT Becky) > > > Hometown: Methuen, MA > > > > Croutons or Bacon Bits: Both! > > > > Favorite Salad Dressing: Honey Mustard / Dijon; occasionally a nice, fattening Ranch dressing. > > > > Do you drink: Rarely. But when I do, it's usually a strawberry daquiri or a fuzzy navel, white zinfandel, or maybe hard cider. No beer (yuck). > > > > Shampoo or, conditioner: Two rinses on the shampoo, and leave yje conditioner in for at least 3 minutes. We keep our hair clean _and_ healthy! > > > > Have you ever gone skinny dipping: Sorry! > > > > Do you make fun of people: ...As tactfully as possible... > > > > Favorite color(s): Burgundy, forest green, royal purple > > > > Have you ever been convicted of a crime?: Sorry! > > > > Best online friends: right now? Scott & Amy, totally. > > > > Pets: Punky, the Shih-tzu that bites me and all my friends. I also had an adorable Tamagotchi, but it died of neglect during a final exam. > > Favorite Type of Music: Everything I can sing to. No rap, please, and try to limit the country music to mainstream, happy tunes. Heavy Metal allowed only if it has discernable musical value. > > > > Hobbies: To quote Sarah-- "Singing, music, theater, singing, making jewelry, buying clothes, singing." I would also have to add buying CDs to that list. > > > > Dream Car: Um, lately? an SUV or a Truck. He he he. > > > > Type of Car you drive now: Tyler's and my Dad's, and sometimes Paul's convertible. That's definitely the most fun of the three. > > > > Phrase or words you use: Almost all of 'em. I'm an English major, dammit! > > > Toothpaste: AquaFresh. Mmm-mmm-good! > > > > Favorite Food: This is rather eclectic, but right now it's chocolate, maki, chocolate-dipped strawberries, falafel, chocolate milkshakes, Friendly's Crispy Chicken Salad, Chocolate-covered Peppermint Patties, Strawberry yogurt (by Columbo in the blue container), and chocolate. > > > > Online Crush: Ty-ler! > > > > Current Boyfriend/Girlfriend?: Ty-ler! > > > > Piercing or tattoos?: Double pierced ears. That's plenty for me. > > > How do you characterize yourself?: Classic over-achieving person who is slowly learning not to do twenty things at once. This is a problem when her friends want her to do an activity etc. that they're involved in, though, because she can be a real pushover, but at least when she does stuff she drags other people into it with her! Sets high goals and just barely manages to reach them; really loves the people she loves; truely a friend to her friends; and can't wait to finish grad school and start makin' the big bucks! > > Do you get along with your parents?: Yup. > > > > Favorite town to chill in: Boston & Brookline. But NOT Carlisle... > > > > Favorite Ice Cream: M&M or Oreo or Rocky Road. Or all 3 together -- Yum yum! > > > > Favorite Drinks: Smoothies from Jera's Juice, chocolate milkshakes & water > > > > What's your bed time: I get grumpy around midnight, but my actual bedtime varies. And I _never_ wake up in the mornings.... > > > > Adidas, Nike or Reebok: How about Payless Shoe Source and on-sale shoes at Cherry & Webb? I'm not a sneakers kind of gal... > > > > Favorite Perfume/Cologne: Curve & things from Bath & Body works > > > > Favorite Song at the moment: Um.. either Adia or Sunny Came Home. > > > > Favorite Website: my own! http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1065 > > > > Favorite Subject in school: Communications > > > > Least Favorite Subject: Math > > > > Favorite Alcoholic Drink: I think I've answered this already: strawberry daquiris. > > > > Most humiliating moment: No Idea. Mental block, I think. > > > > Loudest person you know: Besides Sarah? > > > > Craziest person or silliest you know: Besides Sarah??? > > > > What do you look for in the opposite sex: Sensitivity, committment, communication, an understanding that a relationship is about two people, and, oh yeah, adoribility and cuteness help. :) > > Say one nice thing about the person who sent this to you: Sarah is definitely my favorite sister. Oh wait, she's my only sister! ;-) OK, then, Sarah is gorgeous, talented, compassionate, and one of few people in the world who can even comprehend half my jokes. Now, *that's* a compliment. ...Plus, she's nearly forgiven me for her childhood....;-)  1,, Summary-line: 28-Oct Allen, Amy #FW: My Turn (fwd) Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23992; Wed, 28 Oct 98 08:54:22 EST Received: from charity.harvard.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28517; Wed, 28 Oct 98 08:54:16 EST Received: from mail.welchs.com (mail.welchs.com [207.180.67.19]) by charity.harvard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15122; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by SRVEX10 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:52:55 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: FW: My Turn (fwd) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:52:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE027A.430421C4" *** EOOH *** From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: FW: My Turn (fwd) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:52:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE027A.430421C4" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE027A.430421C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Feel free to forward this to anyone you deem appropriate...this was fun!!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Rebecca A. Consentino [SMTP:rac@bu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 5:54 PM > To: Sarah Consentino > Cc: Megan Houpt; Jenna Wilkinson; mullinss@emmanuel.edu; > jbreindel@brandeis.edu; Julia Martiros; Scott Gagnon; Brenna Pomeroy; Amy > Allen; David Jedlinsky; aqua@bu.edu; Tyler Hains > Subject: RE: My Turn (fwd) > > > > Okay, here's what you're supposed to do. Copy this entire e-mail and > > > change all the answers so they apply to you . . . then send it to > > > everyone you know, INCLUDING the person who sent you this. So you > > > should get back a lot of other get-to-know- you e-mails, too. You'll > > > learn a lot about your friends that you maybe didn't know! > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > > > > > The Ultimate Survey For: Amy > > > > > > Full Name: Amy Elizabeth Allen > > > > > Nicknames: Aimster, Aim, Tigger, Amy'all > > > > > Hometown: where I was born? Orlando, FL. Where I currently > live?? Acton, MA > > > > > > Croutons or Bacon Bits: Neither!! > > > > > > Favorite Salad Dressing: Rasberry vinagrette, balsamic vinagrette > > > > > > Do you drink: Yes. Nothing like a tall frosty mug of Bass or a > glass of good white wine. > > > > > > Shampoo or, conditioner: Shampoo/conditioner everyday, Aveda > Shampure shampoo and Aveda > cherry almond bark conditioner > > > > > > Have you ever gone skinny dipping: Yes. On a dare. Made $50!!! > > > > > > Do you make fun of people: Frequently and with great relish. I'm > terribly good at it. > > > > > > Favorite color(s): Maroon, forest green, deep purple, navy blue > > > > > > Have you ever been convicted of a crime?: Not yet... > > > > > > Best online friends: right now? Scott, Becca, Zoe > > > > > > Pets: Duncan, the mighty grey beast cat, Annabelle, the fat > furry cat, and Peanut, the adorable skinny baby kitty > cat > > > Favorite Type of Music: ANYTHING I can sing to. Favorites > include Bare Naked Ladies, Trisha Yearwood, Grateful Dead, anything G&S, > Bonnie Raitt, Sarah McLaughlin, Jewel, Alannis Morrisette > > > > > > Hobbies: To quote Sarah-- MUSICAL THEATER first and foremost, > followed by Irish poetry/literature, collecting G&S memorobilia, tennis, > running, beanie babies, and making fun of people (see above) > > > > > > Dream Car: One of those new VW bugs. Those things are just too > damn cute. > > > > > > Type of Car you drive now: My adorable little sporty two-door > green Subaru Impreza. > > > > Phrase or words you use: Having been an English major like Becca, > I would also say most of them, but favorites include "bite me", "whatever > fills your sail," "the more the merrier", and recently, "oh my God, our > show opens HOW SOON???" > > > > > Toothpaste: Tom's of Maine peppermint (or wintergreen if I'm > feeling daring) > > > > > > Favorite Food: Anything Italian, but I also like cheese souffle, > well-made chocolate chip cookies (like mine), hot, hot, hot salsa and > baked tostidos, and Fresh Samantha's, any flavor. > > > > > > Online Crush: I plead the fifth. > > > > > > Current Boyfriend/Girlfriend?: See above. > > > > > > Piercing or tattoos?: Small tattoo on my left hip of a double > eigth-note. > > > > > How do you characterize yourself?: Fun-loving, gregarious, > intelligent, witty, charming, talented, charismatic, adorable, and > above all, modest. But seriously, I'm outgoing, sometimes too nice, > amazingly goofy and silly, bold enough to say just about anything, and a > very hard worker. Not many people know this, but I am a huge > perfectionist.... > > > > > Do you get along with your parents?: Yes! > > > > > > Favorite town to chill in: Acton, Boston, or Carlisle (aka > Mayberry) w/all my show buddies. > > > > > > Favorite Ice Cream: Ben & Jerry's Chubby Hubby. > > > > > > Favorite Drinks: Fresh Samantha drinks, shirley temples, bass > beer, Hess Select '97 white wine, > lemon lime seltzer water, and of course, GRAPE JUICE!!! > > > > > > What's your bed time: Depends on when I went to bed the previous > night. As long as I get a good seven hours it doesn't matter. I can > stay up all night if need be...sleep is the enemy of art. > > > > Adidas, Nike or Reebok: None of the above. Good ol' Converse for > me please, plaid or burgundy.> > > > > Favorite Perfume/Cologne: What I've worn for almost 10 years > now...White Musk from the > Body Shop. > > > > > > Favorite Song at the moment: my favorite song is always something > by Gershwin..for now, let's say "Someone to Watch over > Me" > > > > > > Favorite Website: geeze louise...I'm too busy at work to surf a > lot and find one, but I have to agree > Becca's is pretty neato!!> > > > > > Favorite Subject in school: It was a toss up...Creative > Writing/Poetry, Psychology. Fascinating stuff. > > > > > > Least Favorite Subject: > >History. Who cares? They're all dead > now anyway... > > > > Favorite Alcoholic Drink: Black & Tans...Bass & Guiness > > > > > > Most humiliating moment: Ok. Get this. I'm seventeen and in the > doctor's office for my physical before going off to college. It's > crowded, so the nurse hands me a cup, tells me to pee in it, and then > wait in the lobby, the doctor will be right with me. So as I'm leaving > the bathroom to head back to the lobby, I'm walking down the hall and > this DROP-DEAD GORGEOUS, eat him with a spoon doctor is walking > towards me. I bat my big browns and fail to notice that the carpet is > snagged and my foot catches on it and the urine pitches out of my hand > and into Dr. Hottie's face. All over him. I ran out of the > office and never went back.> > > > > > Loudest person you know: Me. > > > > > > Craziest person or silliest you know: Me. Becca's right up > there, though. > > > > > > What do you look for in the opposite sex: Nice ass, six-pack abs, > tight...oh wait...you mean INTANGIBLE qualities? Oh. oops. I would > say someone who is not afraid to be brutally honest, someone who knows > how to have fun, and someone who doesn't take themself too seriously. > Also, people who can't carry on a conversation piss me off, so he > has to be able to keep up with motor mouth me. > > > > Say one nice thing about the person who sent this to you: Becca is > a ton of fun to be with and has a gorgeous singing voice and a sparkling > personality. In fact, Becca is my role model. I want to be just like her > when (if) I ever grow up. :-) > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE027A.430421C4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: My Turn (fwd)

Feel free to forward = this to anyone you deem appropriate...this was fun!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From:   Rebecca A. Consentino [SMTP:rac@bu.edu]
Sent:   Tuesday, October 27, 1998 5:54 PM
To:     Sarah Consentino
Cc:     Megan Houpt; Jenna Wilkinson; mullinss@emmanuel.edu; = jbreindel@brandeis.edu; Julia Martiros; Scott Gagnon; Brenna Pomeroy; = Amy Allen; David Jedlinsky; aqua@bu.edu; Tyler Hains

Subject:       = RE: My Turn  (fwd)

> > Okay, = here's what you're supposed to do.   Copy this entire e-mail = and
> > change = all the answers so they apply to you .  . . then send it to
> > everyone = you know, INCLUDING the person who sent you this.  So you
> > should = get back a lot of other get-to-know- you e-mails, too.  = You'll
> > learn a = lot about your friends that you maybe didn't know!
> >
> >  = **********************************************************************
> >
> = >   The Ultimate Survey For: Amy
> >
> = >      Full Name:  Amy Elizabeth = Allen
> >
>        = Nicknames:  Aimster, Aim, Tigger, = Amy'all      
>
> = >      Hometown:  where I was = born?  Orlando, FL.  Where I currently live?? Acton, = MA
> >
> = >      Croutons or Bacon Bits: = Neither!!
> >
> = >      Favorite Salad Dressing: Rasberry = vinagrette, balsamic vinagrette
> >
> = >      Do you drink: Yes.  Nothing = like a tall frosty mug of Bass or a glass of good white wine.
> >
>  = >     Shampoo or, conditioner: = Shampoo/conditioner everyday, Aveda Shampure shampoo and Aveda
        =       cherry almond bark conditioner
> >
> = >      Have you ever gone skinny dipping: = Yes.  On a dare.  Made $50!!!
> >
> = >      Do you make fun of people: = Frequently and with great relish.  I'm terribly good at it.
> >
> = >      Favorite color(s): Maroon, forest = green, deep purple, navy blue
> >
> = >      Have you ever been convicted of a = crime?: Not yet...
> >
> = >      Best online friends: right now? = Scott, Becca, Zoe
>  > = >        
>        = Pets:  Duncan, the mighty grey beast cat, Annabelle, the fat furry = cat, and Peanut, the adorable       =       skinny baby kitty cat

              =          
>        Favorite = Type of Music:  ANYTHING I can sing to.  Favorites include = Bare Naked Ladies, Trisha Yearwood, Grateful Dead, anything G&S, = Bonnie Raitt, Sarah McLaughlin, Jewel, Alannis Morrisette

>
>  > = >   Hobbies:  To quote Sarah-- MUSICAL THEATER first = and foremost, followed by Irish poetry/literature, collecting G&S = memorobilia, tennis, running, beanie babies, and making fun of people = (see above)

> >
> = >     Dream Car:  One of those new VW = bugs.  Those things are just too damn cute.
> >
> = >     Type of Car you drive now: My adorable = little sporty two-door green Subaru Impreza.

> = >     Phrase or words you use: Having been an = English major like Becca, I would also say most of them, but favorites = include "bite me", "whatever fills your sail," = "the more the merrier", and recently, "oh my God, our = show opens HOW SOON???"

>
> = >     Toothpaste: Tom's of Maine peppermint (or = wintergreen if I'm feeling daring)
> >
> = >     Favorite Food: Anything Italian, but I = also like cheese souffle, well-made chocolate chip cookies (like mine), = hot, hot, hot salsa and baked tostidos, and Fresh Samantha's, any = flavor.

> >
> = >     Online Crush:  I plead the = fifth.
> >
> = >     Current Boyfriend/Girlfriend?:  See = above.
> >
> = >     Piercing or tattoos?:  Small tattoo = on my left hip of a double eigth-note. 
> >
>       How do you = characterize yourself?: Fun-loving, gregarious, intelligent, witty, = charming, talented,      charismatic, adorable, and = above all, modest.  But seriously, I'm outgoing, sometimes too = nice, amazingly goofy and silly, bold enough to say just about = anything, and a very hard worker.  Not many people know this, but = I am a huge perfectionist....


> = >     Do you get along with your parents?: = Yes!
> >
> = >     Favorite town to chill in: Acton, Boston, = or Carlisle (aka Mayberry) w/all my show buddies.
> >
> = >     Favorite Ice Cream: Ben & Jerry's = Chubby Hubby. 
> >
> = >     Favorite Drinks: Fresh Samantha drinks, = shirley temples, bass beer, Hess Select '97 white wine,
        =       lemon lime seltzer water, and of course, GRAPE = JUICE!!!

> >
> = >     What's your bed time: Depends on when I = went to bed the previous night.  As long as I get a =     good seven hours it doesn't matter.  I can stay = up all night if need be...sleep is the enemy of art.

> = >   
         Adidas, Nike or Reebok: None = of the above.  Good ol' Converse for me please, plaid or = burgundy.> >

> = >     Favorite Perfume/Cologne: What I've worn = for almost 10 years now...White Musk from the
        =       Body Shop.
>   = >
> = >     Favorite Song at the moment: my favorite = song is always something by Gershwin..for now, let's   =         =       say "Someone to Watch over = Me"

> >
> = >     Favorite Website: geeze louise...I'm too = busy at work to surf a lot and find one, but I have to =         =             agree Becca's = is pretty neato!!> >

> = >   
         Favorite Subject in = school:  It was a toss up...Creative Writing/Poetry, = Psychology.  Fascinating    stuff.

> >
> = >     Least Favorite Subject: > >History. = Who cares?  They're all dead now anyway...
> = >    
        Favorite Alcoholic Drink: Black & = Tans...Bass & Guiness
 > = >
> = >     Most humiliating moment: Ok.  Get = this.  I'm seventeen and in the doctor's office for my physical =       before going off to college.  It's = crowded, so the nurse hands me a cup, tells me to pee in it, and =         then wait in the lobby, the = doctor will be right with me.  So as I'm leaving the bathroom to = head back        to the lobby, I'm = walking down the hall and this DROP-DEAD GORGEOUS, eat him with a spoon =         doctor is walking towards = me.  I bat my big browns and fail to notice that the carpet is = snagged and  my foot catches on it and the urine pitches out of my = hand and into Dr. Hottie's face.  All over him.  I =        ran out of the office and never = went back.> >

> = >    
        Loudest person you know:  Me.
> >
> = >     Craziest person or silliest you = know:  Me.  Becca's right up there, though.
> >
> = >     What do you look for in the opposite sex: = Nice ass, six-pack abs, tight...oh wait...you mean    = INTANGIBLE qualities?  Oh.  oops.  I would say someone = who is not afraid to be brutally honest,       = someone who knows how to have fun, and someone who doesn't take = themself too seriously.  Also,      people who = can't carry on a conversation piss me off, so he has to be able to keep = up with motor    mouth me.

> = >      
        Say one nice thing about the person who sent = this to you:  Becca is a ton of fun to be with and has a gorgeous = singing voice and a sparkling personality.  In fact, Becca is my = role model.  I want to be just like her when (if) I ever grow = up.  :-)


------_=_NextPart_001_01BE027A.430421C4--  1,, Summary-line: 28-Oct Scott Gagnon #RE: My Turn (fwd) Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22645; Wed, 28 Oct 98 10:17:52 EST Received: from hup.harvard.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26491; Wed, 28 Oct 98 10:17:46 EST Received: (from scott@localhost) by hup.harvard.edu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id KAA23582; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:16:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:16:26 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Gagnon To: "Rebecca A. Consentino" Cc: Sarah Consentino , Megan Houpt , Jenna Wilkinson , jbreindel@brandeis.edu, Amy Allen , David Jedlinsky , Tyler Hains Subject: RE: My Turn (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:16:26 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Gagnon To: "Rebecca A. Consentino" Cc: Sarah Consentino , Megan Houpt , Jenna Wilkinson , jbreindel@brandeis.edu, Amy Allen , David Jedlinsky , Tyler Hains Subject: RE: My Turn (fwd) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here's me. I just returned it to those people I recognized above... However if anybody can suggest anybody who might care to read it, let me know and I'll forward it to'em...better yet, here's carte blanche for you guiys cuz I'm too ;lazy to think of anybody, just fwd it y'self! d;-) On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Rebecca A. Consentino wrote: > > > Okay, here's what you're supposed to do. Copy this entire e-mail and > > > change all the answers so they apply to you . . . then send it to > > > everyone you know, INCLUDING the person who sent you this. So you > > > should get back a lot of other get-to-know- you e-mails, too. You'll > > > learn a lot about your friends that you maybe didn't know! > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > > > > > The Ultimate Survey For: Scott > > > > > > Full Name: Scott Robert Gagnon > > > > > Nicknames: none, under penalty of death > > > > > Hometown: Waltham, MA > > > > > > Croutons or Bacon Bits: Croutons, big time. > > > > > > Favorite Salad Dressing: French or Italian. > > > > > > Do you drink: Very, very rarely. > > > > > > > Shampoo or, conditioner: Each, once. It is alright for one's hair to turn gray so long as it does not abandon ship. > > > > > > > > Have you ever gone skinny dipping: Certainly not intentionally.> > > > > > Do you make fun of people: In my own, gentle way. > > > > > > Favorite color(s): none in particular (interesting side note: I am, however, color-blind. > > > > > > Have you ever been convicted of a crime?: No. > > > > > > Best online friends: right now? These days, Rebecca gets a lot of my e mail, as does Amy and my comp[oser pal, Brian Cimmet.> > > > > > Pets: Souffle is a tiny, fat, bright yellow Australian budgie. He is about four inches tall. He is 2. He enjoys eating cereal by standing on the edge of the bowl and tossing one Cheerio at a time over his "shoulder". > > > > > Favorite Type of Music: I'm eclectic, but a sucker for showtunes, old swing and standards like Tony Benett. I'm also a registered Parrothead and make my pilgramage to Jimmy Buffett's show once a year. > > > > > > Hobbies: I'm a member of the Society of American Baseball Research (we do one paper a year, particularly onthe history of the game, out of the goodness of our hearts; mine last year was on Negro Leagues pitcher Satchel Paige's barnstorming days in Cuba, year before was the White Sox World Tour of 1917, where they tried to drag baseball out to remote places and promote the game, a huge failure. They went to Egypt, France, India, and England, among other spots and were greeted mostly by puzzled faces.) I'm a huuuuuuuge Baker Street Irregular, having read and reread all of the Sherlock Holmes stories, and written a few of my own. Oh, and I do a little theatre. > > > > > > > > Dream Car: I'm not a car guy, but I prefer big old clunky lxury cars if given the choice to zippy convertables any day, > > > > > > Type of Car you drive now: Yes, that's a 1995 Hyundai Excel. (sigh) > > > > > > Phrase or words you use: Is there a phrase I don't? > > > > > Toothpaste: Gotta be Crest. No leeway on that. > > > > > > Favorite Food: At every restaurant I visit, I have a set meal I always order, and it's always the same. (New restaurants take a couple visites to settle on something, but from then on that's it.) Everything's gotta be plain, esp. hamburgers and hot dogs. Very few veggies or foreign foods of any kind, except Chinese, where I *always* get chicken fingers, plain white rice and spare ribs. Italian food and pizza are also a boig staple, although at Papa Gino's I always get the Papa Platter with Ziti and a medium Coke. > > > > > > Online Crush: Can't say I really have that (sorry, gals) Current Boyfriend/Girlfriend?: My wife Jennifer. > > > Piercing or tattoos?: I have a large dragon tattoes across my back, a pierced tongue and right nipple and "love" and "hate" tattooed across my knuckles. Oh, yeah, actually that's a big lie. Sorry, none. > > > > > How do you characterize yourself?: Hmm. Well, I'm more complicated than I let on, and believe it or not more serious, methodical and even melancholy at times. Even when I look haphazard and siilly, believe me I know exactly what I'm doing. I very much make my own rules in life, and dislike law for its own sake, or ruules and confinemnts of any kind. I play a very passive agressive game with everything, often letting others be the "bad cop" to my "good cop". I am *very* observant (like my idol, Mr Holmes) and pride myself on "reading" people and deducing a little but about them when first I meet them. Also like Holmes, my Achilles heel in this is that I am often naive or at least less able to read women than men, and, in my single days, was often ridiculed for missing the point of someone's attentions even if they fell in my lap. I have a talent for making people happy opening up to me ad for getting them to do what I want or need then to through subtle pursuasion. I have been called supremely patient, and support everyone's talents and work but my own, whoch I ravage mercilessly. > > > Do you get along with your parents?: Yes, although I'm more the p[arent. They never quite knew what to do wth me or make of me. Lord knows where I came from, they're simple, blue collar folk and I have an IQ of 153. > > > Favorite town to chill in: I must go to 2 places annually to "recharge my batteries"- Ogunquit, Maine and Cooperstoown, NY. And I always stay in the same hotel, and if possible the same room. > > > > > > Favorite Ice Cream: You name it. I can eat a pint of Ben + Jerry's at a time. Only one restriction: NOOOOO MARSHMALLOW. Eww. > > > > > > Favorite Drinks: Snapple Mint Iced Tea. My Grandfather is a retired exec from Coca Cola, so there's lots of Coke and its memorobalia around my childhood. > > > > > > What's your bed time: I am the worst insomniac I know. If Jen doesn't finally yell "Come to bed for Chrissakes!" I'm up til sunup. > > > Adidas, Nike or Reebok: Reeboks. However I buy the same black Rockport shoes in the same style from the same outlet in Maine and wear them everywhere for 2 years, then go get another pair. I own 2 pairs of shoes: the black ones and white Reeboks. Always have, always will. > > > > > > Favorite Perfume/Cologne: Catalyst, Barishnakov. > > > > > > Favorite Song at the moment: Varies. One tape tends to stay in my tapedeck for 3 weeks or so and get played to death. Most recent: Buffett's Don't Stop the Carnival, Paul Simon's Capeman, Soundtrack to Nightmare Before Christmas. > > > > > > Favorite Website: my own! > Badger's Disney Countdown page (counting days to my Florida vaca, btw I hit Disney every other year and am going on my 22nd visit) , ESPN baseball.com > > > > > > Favorite Subject in school: Of course theatre, but I also majored in English lit and minored in both history and foreign languages. I've had some Spanish, French and German. (sorry, Gondolieri, no Italian.) > > > > > > Least Favorite Subject: I really liked and like it all, though biology and science in general are my weak spot. > > > > > > Favorite Alcoholic Drink: Sweet and weak stuff. Partic Fuzzy NAvels and Pina Coladas. Can do Strawberry Daiquiris,Champagne, some wine. NO beer. > > > > > > Most humiliating moment: So many choices, so little time... > > > Loudest person you know: My wife. And she'd be the first to admit it. > > > > > > Craziest person or silliest you know: I know nothing but crazy people. (Or maybe it's me????) > > > > > > What do you look for in the opposite sex: Negotiable morals and a fascination with me. Just kidding- a sense of humor, emotional support, talents and abilities and strengths of her own. And if you must know, physically I'm an "eyes" guy. A hot bod is nice, but I honestly focus much more on person's face and mannerisms. And I hate shy girls. I'm too shy myself, and I need a brick to hit me in the head as it is. Oh, and the girl's gotta have a brain. > > > > Say one nice thing about the person who sent this to you: Well, becca certainly listens to *me* prattle on patiently. She's very kind and smarter and more grounded in the real world than she lets on. She's also a very spirited and supportive cast member who brings a great deal of both talent and enthusiasm to a cast. And she send interesting e mail stuff. There ya go.- d:-)  1,, Summary-line: 11-Oct Dave Policar #Re: Does that not compute? was Re: Beam us up, Scotty! Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27029; Wed, 28 Oct 98 15:28:44 EST Received: from portal.kenan.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02148; Wed, 28 Oct 98 15:28:45 EST Received: from camb-mail.kenan.com by [208.196.3.178] via smtpd (for PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) with SMTP; 28 Oct 1998 20:28:41 UT Received: from kenan.com ([198.187.250.148]) by camb-mail.kenan.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id 621; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:20:44 -0500 Message-Id: <362043D6.E0D705B6@kenan.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:36:22 -0400 From: "Dave Policar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu Cc: ArcaneKnow@aol.com, CJ@sftlaw.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, Elkor@mindspring.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, buubala@yahoo.com, deb@pobox.com, donnah@microhouse.com, gumbrew@aol.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, kdavis7@juno.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, magorn@yahoo.com, markulin@ssd.ethz.ch, mgsgjjg@erols.com, mylady@purpleunicorn.com, natter@pressroom.com, noblessa@yahoo.com, opus@MIT.EDU, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, takayla@aol.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, "J. Sieracki" , jms@universe.digex.net Subject: Re: Does that not compute? was Re: Beam us up, Scotty! References: <3FC7B702668@aec.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:36:22 -0400 From: "Dave Policar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu Cc: ArcaneKnow@aol.com, CJ@sftlaw.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, Elkor@mindspring.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, buubala@yahoo.com, deb@pobox.com, donnah@microhouse.com, gumbrew@aol.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, kdavis7@juno.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, magorn@yahoo.com, markulin@ssd.ethz.ch, mgsgjjg@erols.com, mylady@purpleunicorn.com, natter@pressroom.com, noblessa@yahoo.com, opus@MIT.EDU, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, takayla@aol.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, "J. Sieracki" , jms@universe.digex.net Subject: Re: Does that not compute? was Re: Beam us up, Scotty! References: <3FC7B702668@aec.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Temporal Computing: > Say you invent a computer which, once it arrives at an answer, can > send it's results back in time? For example: you enter your program > and hit enter. The program creates a variable to "recieve" the > answer from the future, then starts calculating the result. After, > say, a year, it completes its calculations and transmits the result > back in time to the prepared variable, at a time just after that > variables instantiation. In your view you get the result instantly. > > Ok, great. Now, what's to stop you from interrupting that program > and entering a brand new one? You don't need to do the old > calculations now because you've GOT the answer already. What if you > used that effect as the basis for most of the computers operations? If you get a chance, pick up a copy of "Thrice Upon a Time" -- James Hogan, I think -- which is built around this very question. Our hero builds a computer which can transmit information backwards in time and receive the information it has (not yet) transmitted, limited by its sensitivity, the strength of the signal, and the physical distance between the transmitter and the receiver (e.g., the distance associated by the Earth's travel through space during the time interval). Sure enough, he starts it up, receives a random string from a minute into the future, enters a random string and transmits it a minute later (without looking at what he receives), and hey presto! they match. Natch he does what you suggest -- repeats the experiment but decides not to send it after receiving it. At this point things get confusing -- I won't give it away because a good part of the fun of the story is trying to derive the laws of temporal physics (alongside the characters) from the perversely odd behavior of their transtemporal computer. Personally, I'm most comfortable in a strictly causal non-deterministic universe, in which the effect of this kind of futzing with the timestream is to split off an alternate timeline. That is, "I" receive some calculations from "the future," causing my present to split off from the one in which "I" did not receive those calculations. There are now two timelines -- one in which I do the calculations and transmit them, one in which I receive the calculations and do not do them or transmit them. If "I" decide to do the calculations but not transmit them, or transmit false results, or otherwise diddle the variables, I create more alternate timelines... with the odd result that I might boot up my temporal computer and receive several thousand -- or an infinite number -- of alternative values for this variable, most of which come from practical-joker versions of myself further on downstream. One tidy consequence of this is that nothing I do to "the past" can affect my own present, since causality is fixed along a single timeline. I like tidy cosmologies. "What Mad Universe" (don't remember the auhoer -- Frederick Brown, maybe) does a variant of this, later adapted by DC Comics and Larry Niven and others, wherein an alternate timeline spawns for every internally consistent distinct set of possible events at every point in time. I used to like this idea but have since come to think of it as intellectually sloppy... it just leaves too many universes lying around. (Niven complains that this kind of universe makes decision-making irrelevant -- what does it matter what you decide if you're going to make all decisions anyway? -- to which I can only say that even in this kind of universe the decision I make controls the experiences I'm consciously aware of, and what else is there to say about decision-making in any metaphysics, really?) But BOY, do I digress... -dave  1,, Summary-line: 30-Oct David C. Jedlinsky #Amyspeak Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02613; Fri, 30 Oct 98 15:38:05 EST Received: from CHARON.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA04347; Fri, 30 Oct 98 15:38:01 EST Received: (from opus@localhost) by charon.MIT.EDU (8.7.6/2.3JIK) id PAA05101; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:38:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:38:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199810302038.PAA05101@charon.MIT.EDU> From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: "Allen, Amy" Cc: rac@bu.edu, scott@hup.harvard.edu, opus@MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: Allen, Amy's message of Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:50:56 -0500 Subject: Amyspeak *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:38:06 -0500 From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: "Allen, Amy" Cc: rac@bu.edu, scott@hup.harvard.edu, opus@MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: Allen, Amy's message of Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:50:56 -0500 Subject: Amyspeak Oh, my, GAWD: I can't believe you said that, but it's funny. Ewww: That's disgusting, but it's funny. Bite me: Okay, that was at my expense, but it's funny. Not funny: I got fooled, and I'm embarrassed (but it's funny). I mean it: Do it again. SO not funny: Okay, you're pushing, but I'm not ready to get terribly pissed yet. Build a bridge, and get over it: I told you to stop pushing, this is your last warning. Ok, I'm going to have to kick your ass now: Alright, THIS is your last warning. Lay the hell off: You went overboard. You're only going to live to see another day if I really love you. Whoop-ass: My favorite mock-threat. Off limits to even mention: Lonnie, Sam  1,, Summary-line: 3-Nov Richard N. Freedman #Re: Sorcerer scores Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15335; Tue, 3 Nov 98 16:28:15 EST Received: from ne.mediaone.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16533; Tue, 3 Nov 98 16:28:11 EST Received: from rnf.ne.mediaone.net (rnf.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.25.215]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA08948 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:28:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981103162808.007ada20@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Sender: rnf@pop.ne.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 16:28:08 -0500 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: "Richard N. Freedman" Subject: Re: Sorcerer scores In-Reply-To: <199811031945.OAA16811@charon.MIT.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *** EOOH *** X-Sender: rnf@pop.ne.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 16:28:08 -0500 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: "Richard N. Freedman" Subject: Re: Sorcerer scores In-Reply-To: <199811031945.OAA16811@charon.MIT.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very interesting; I look forward to seeing the finished product. Some of the Free Software Foundation manuals (GNU software) had what was supposed to be a revolutionary type of binding which might be worth your looking into. You should be easily able to find an emacs manual and decide whether it meets your needs. Richard N. Freedman http://people.ne.mediaone.net/rnf rnf@null.net =B4=B4The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed - = and hence clamorous to be led to safety - by menacing with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.=B4=B4 -- H.L. Mencken  1, forwarded, edited,, Summary-line: 13-Nov David C. Jedlinsky #PIGS Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15549; Fri, 13 Nov 98 14:26:25 EST Received: from ipnh.mv.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19759; Fri, 13 Nov 98 14:26:22 EST Received: (from opus@localhost) by ipnh.mv.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA19421; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:19:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:19:51 -0500 (EST) From: "David C. Jedlinsky" Message-Id: <199811131919.OAA19421@ipnh.mv.com> To: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: [aposadao@interpla.net.co: PIGS] *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:19:51 -0500 (EST) From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: PIGS A truckdriver made an urgent call to his boss, with his cellular phone: "Boss I am in deep SH... , I just run over a pig." The boss asks what is happening with the pig, and the truckdriver tells him that the pig is pinned under the front tires, squealing and giving hell. He tells the driver to look into the glove compartment for a gun he keeps there, shoot the pig in the head and then take him out and leave it on the side of the road. After a while the driver calls back and says: "Boss, I did as you told me, but now.....how do I get his motorcycle from under the back wheels?"  1, forwarded, edited,, Summary-line: 13-Nov David C. Jedlinsky #When you think YOU'VE had a Bad day Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04224; Fri, 13 Nov 98 15:14:59 EST Received: from ipnh.mv.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25028; Fri, 13 Nov 98 15:14:40 EST Received: (from opus@localhost) by ipnh.mv.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA19531; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:08:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:08:23 -0500 (EST) From: "David C. Jedlinsky" Message-Id: <199811132008.PAA19531@ipnh.mv.com> To: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: [AzCa1@aol.com: OT: When you think YOU'VE had a Bad day] *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:08:23 -0500 (EST) From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: When you think YOU'VE had a Bad day If you think you're having a bad day - read this 1. The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special ceremony,two of the most expensively saved animals were released back into the wild amid cheers and applause from onlookers. A minute later they were both eaten by a killer whale. 2. A psychology student in New York rented out her spare room to a carpenter in order to nag him constantly and study his reactions. After weeks of needling, he snapped and beat her repeatedly with an axe leaving her mentally retarded. 3. In 1992, Frank Perkins of Los Angeles made an attempt on the world flagpole-sitting record. When suffering from the flu, he came down eight hours short of the 400 day record, his sponsor had gone bust, his girlfriend had left him and his phone and electricity had been cut off. 4. A woman came home to find her husband in the kitchen, shaking frantically with what looked like a wire running from his waist towards the electric kettle. Intending to jolt him away from the deadly current she whacked him with a handy plank of wood by the back door, breaking his arm in two places. Till that moment he had been happily listening to his Walkman. 5. Two animal rights protesters were protesting at the cruelty of sending pigs to a slaughterhouse in Bonn. Suddenly the pigs, two thousand of them, escaped through a broken fence and stampeded, trampling the two hapless protesters to death. And the capper....... 6. Iraqi terrorist, Khay Rahnajet, didn't pay enough postage on a letter bomb. It came back with "return to sender" stamped on it. Forgetting it was the bomb, he opened it and was blown to bits. >>  1, answered,, Summary-line: 18-Nov endes-Barry & Scott Barry #ATM joke Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08603; Wed, 18 Nov 98 13:32:17 EST Received: from u2.farm.idt.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15742; Wed, 18 Nov 98 13:32:14 EST Received: from [206.20.7.17] (ppp-17.ts-1.ct.idt.net [206.20.7.17]) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28646; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:31:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:37:01 -0500 To: gelflingaa@aol.com, adina@cduniverse.com, aallen@welchs.com, help_desk@iroquois.com, opus@MIT.EDU, erics@gateway.virtus.com, stuart.leventhall@virgin.net, ihodgkin@aol.com, jbayes@occs.cs.oberlin.edu, joshb@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, gizella.roberts@oberlin.edu, LBlocher@worldnet.att.net, Philip_Gellis@mccord.com, POLINIAK@SPARKY.CS.NYU.EDU, rac@bu.edu, sjaques@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, sally@jrol.com, goblin@ort.org.il, chiodo@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, litwin@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, deenihan@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, rozmus@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com From: Rica Miriam Wasser de Sola Mendes-Barry & Scott Barry Subject: ATM joke *** EOOH *** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:37:01 -0500 To: gelflingaa@aol.com, adina@cduniverse.com, aallen@welchs.com, help_desk@iroquois.com, opus@MIT.EDU, erics@gateway.virtus.com, stuart.leventhall@virgin.net, ihodgkin@aol.com, jbayes@occs.cs.oberlin.edu, joshb@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, gizella.roberts@oberlin.edu, LBlocher@worldnet.att.net, Philip_Gellis@mccord.com, POLINIAK@SPARKY.CS.NYU.EDU, rac@bu.edu, sjaques@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, sally@jrol.com, goblin@ort.org.il, chiodo@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, litwin@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, deenihan@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, rozmus@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com From: Rica Miriam Wasser de Sola Mendes-Barry & Scott Barry Subject: ATM joke A bit bias, but... > How To Use An ATM > > HIM: > 1. Pull up to ATM > 2. Insert card > 3. Enter PIN number and account > 4. Take cash, card and receipt > > > HER: > 1. Pull up to ATM > 2. Check makeup in rearview mirror > 3. Shut off engine > 4. Put keys in purse > 5. Get out of car b/c you're too far from machine > 6. Hunt for card in purse > 7. Insert card > 8. Hunt in purse for tampon wrapper with PIN number written on it > 9. Enter PIN number > 10. Study instructions for at least 2 minutes. > 11. Hit "cancel" > 12. Re-enter correct PIN number > 12A Hit "cancel" > 12B Call husband to get correct PIN number > 13. Check balance > 14. Look for envelope > 15. Look in purse for pen > 16. Make out deposit slip > 17. Endorse checks > 18. Make deposit > 19. Study instructions > 20. Make cash withdrawal > 21. Get in car > 22. Check makeup > 23. Look for keys > 24. Start car > 25. Check makeup > 26. Start pulling away > 27. STOP > 28. Back up to machine > 29. Get out of car > 30. Take card and receipt > 31. Get back in car > 32. Put card in wallet > 33. Put receipt in checkbook > 34. Enter deposits and withdrawals in checkbook > 35. Clear area in purse for wallet and checkbook > 36. Check makeup > 37. Put car in gear, reverse > 38. Put car in drive > 39. Drive away from machine > 40. Travel 3 miles > 41. Release parking brake o \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \o/ o /|\ | /\ ___\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ / \ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / \ / \ Rica Mendes-Barry and Scott Barry "What was I thinking?... I've never, hardly ever, phoebem@mail.idt.net right now I'm not drunk" - Christine Lavin  1,, Summary-line: 18-Nov Marc Shepherd #Re: Book Sought - A Request Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05050; Wed, 18 Nov 98 17:12:30 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07695; Wed, 18 Nov 98 17:12:25 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA28571; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:12:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:12:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <19981118215021.7444.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Book Sought - A Request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:12:26 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Book Sought - A Request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum ---Nicktenor@aol.com wrote: > > I have been asked by the wife of a very dear friend (and lifelong > Savoyard) to track down a book for a Christmas present. > > The volume sought is: > > THE FIRST NIGHT GILBERT AND SULLIVAN by Reginald Allen. > > Published in the UK by Chappell & Co. Ltd in (I think) 1975. I'm replying in public, as I suspect there may be others who would like to know how to obtain this indispensable book. The Interloc website http://www.interloc.com/ claims to have the world's largest selection of second-hand books. I search there periodically, and there is always a very large G&S selection, including multiple copies of FNG&S. I am not sure why Nick's friend would be so fixated on the 1975 Chappell Edition. The first edition comes with facsimiles of all the first-night programs. The 1975 Chappell Edition is very slightly revised, but not enough (IMHO) to make up for the lack of the facsimile programs. And, for some reason, the first edition is actually somewhat easier to come by. == Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com  1,, Summary-line: 20-Nov Scott Gagnon #RE: Better poet, huh? Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21133; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:48:52 EST Received: from hup.harvard.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01176; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:48:48 EST Received: (from scott@localhost) by hup.harvard.edu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id OAA57074; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:49:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:49:29 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Gagnon To: "Allen, Amy" Cc: "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: RE: Better poet, huh? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:49:29 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Gagnon To: "Allen, Amy" Cc: "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: RE: Better poet, huh? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And now.... Gondoliers haiku. Ahem. Man called Guettersloh, Pasta bathed in candlelight, Firemen walking through. ************ Dave Jedlinsky's cape, Fastened tightly round his neck, Matches his moustache. ************ Lonely Gondolier, Mute, bereft of any lines, Pilot for the boat. *********** Pray the drafty cold, Pressing o'er the Venice set, Distracts not mine eyes. *********** Fair Casilda's Dress! Gilded O'er with plastic jewels, Looks goodfrom out there. ********** One day when I'm old All the men will do Act 2's Opening in time.  1, answered,, Summary-line: 20-Nov Rebecca A. Consentino #RE: Better poet, huh? Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21278; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:49:18 EST Received: from ACS4.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21505; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:49:17 EST Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs4.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.b5.ACS)/) with SMTP id OAA29990; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:49:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:49:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "Allen, Amy" Cc: "'Scott Gagnon'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: RE: Better poet, huh? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:49:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "Allen, Amy" Cc: "'Scott Gagnon'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: RE: Better poet, huh? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wow~ then you really suck! _Amy Sucks_ une poeme by RAAC I have a sad, sad tale to tell: Amy Allen cannot write. Although she was an English major, All her poems bite. She thinks she is a genius, but she doesn't utilize meter and rhyme; If i were amy I would write lines like this and think they were a poe-- Plus! her topics suck, too, half the time. It took me one minute to write this; If I were her, it would take eight. If I had eight minutes to write with, _My_ poems would be wicked great! On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Allen, Amy wrote: > HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > That took me a whole eight minutes to write, buddy!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Gagnon [SMTP:scott@hup.harvard.edu] > > Sent: Friday, November 20, 1998 2:38 PM > > To: Allen, Amy > > Cc: 'rac@bu.edu'; 'opus@mit.edu' > > Subject: Re: Better poet, huh? > > > > > > You know, this may in fact be the single worst poem ever written, > > on every possible level. > > > > On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Allen, Amy wrote: > > > > > > > > Dave is a pain in my ass > > > His comments are rude and crass > > > And If I can catch him > > > I'll pinch him and scratch him > > > And teach him a lesson real fast > > > > > > Becca is full of crap > > > Her bra strap I am going to snap > > > Her comments are dumb and retarded > > > Resulting from a brain that has farted > > > And I think she deserves a big slap > > > > > > Scott is the sex god of my dreams > > > When he walks by, all the girls scream > > > He'd like to give them a tickle > > > With his amazingly large hairy pickle > > > But Jen would revolt > > > And call him a dolt > > > So he behaves for now (or so it would seem) > > > > > > > > > Amy > > > aallen@welchs.com > > > > > > > > > >  1, answered,, Summary-line: 20-Nov Allen, Amy #RE: OK, where *is* everybody??? Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24068; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:57:16 EST Received: from charity.harvard.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03879; Fri, 20 Nov 98 14:57:10 EST Received: from mail.welchs.com (mail.welchs.com [207.180.67.19]) by charity.harvard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA14874; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by SRVEX10 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:58:16 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'Rebecca A. Consentino'" Cc: "'opus@mit.edu'" , "'scott@Hup.harvard.edu'" Subject: RE: OK, where *is* everybody??? Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:58:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE14C0.1CF6A99A" *** EOOH *** From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'Rebecca A. Consentino'" Cc: "'opus@mit.edu'" , "'scott@Hup.harvard.edu'" Subject: RE: OK, where *is* everybody??? Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:58:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE14C0.1CF6A99A" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE14C0.1CF6A99A Content-Type: text/plain There once were two fighting young lovers Who wanted their affair undiscovered But everyone knows They toss of their clothes And spend most of their time under covers > -----Original Message----- > From: Rebecca A. Consentino [SMTP:rac@bu.edu] > Sent: Friday, November 20, 1998 2:54 PM > To: David C. Jedlinsky > Cc: aallen@welchs.com; scott@hup.harvard.edu > Subject: Re: OK, where *is* everybody??? > > There once was a loser named Dave > who thought he was handsome and brave. > But he's an old fart > who thinks he's bad bart, > when in truth he's just sexually depraved. > > On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, David C. Jedlinsky wrote: > > > A snooty young chit named Rebecca > > thinks her poems are read at Mecca. > > Her verses are naughty, > > her demeanor, haughty, > > And disguises her lust for a pecka. > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE14C0.1CF6A99A Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OK, where *is* everybody???

There once were two = fighting young lovers
Who wanted their = affair undiscovered
But everyone = knows
They toss of their = clothes
And spend most of = their time under covers

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   Rebecca A. Consentino [SMTP:rac@bu.edu]
    Sent:   Friday, November 20, 1998 2:54 PM
    To:     David C. Jedlinsky
    Cc:     aallen@welchs.com; scott@hup.harvard.edu
    Subject:       = Re: OK, where *is* = everybody???

    There once was a = loser named Dave
    who thought he was = handsome and brave.
            But he's an old fart
            who thinks he's bad bart,
    when in truth he's = just sexually depraved.

    On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, = David C. Jedlinsky wrote:

    > A snooty young = chit named Rebecca
    > thinks her = poems are read at Mecca.
    > Her verses are = naughty,
    > her demeanor, = haughty,
    > And disguises = her lust for a pecka.
    >

------_=_NextPart_001_01BE14C0.1CF6A99A--  1,, Summary-line: 20-Nov Allen, Amy #Take 2 Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03737; Fri, 20 Nov 98 15:22:55 EST Received: from charity.harvard.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02811; Fri, 20 Nov 98 15:22:53 EST Received: from mail.welchs.com (mail.welchs.com [207.180.67.19]) by charity.harvard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA18618; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by SRVEX10 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:23:29 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'opus@Mit.edu'" Subject: Take 2 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:23:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE14C3.A29D39C6" *** EOOH *** From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'opus@Mit.edu'" Subject: Take 2 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:23:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE14C3.A29D39C6" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE14C3.A29D39C6 Content-Type: text/plain My poetry you willingly deride So setting all pretense aside I'll compose you a verse That will be better, not worse Than the last one you tossed to the side There once was a man named Tony Who's love poems were stupid and phony Till one day I said, "I'm going to be wed!" So he went back to beating bologna There once was a girl named E. Spear Who's love life we all had to hear Her tales she shared Until no one cared That she hadn't had sex in a year There once was a sexy young actor Who liked to use lots of Max Factor He flirted and scamped And coddled and tramped Until wife ran him over with a tractor There once was a lecherous Duke Who made all the girls want to puke He procured hotel keys And said "pretty please!" And now we all think he's a kook Zoe thinks hair makes her pretty But my hands get so icky and gritty When I glue on her wig Her head gets real big And she thinks that she's clever and witty Our tenor is gallant and gay He reminds us of this every day But he lusts for another In fact, it's his "brother" With whom he would go all the way Sex, lies, and secrets, that's what we all do I love him, he likes me, I may want you I'm not a John Keats But my poetic treats Point to truths that could serve to unglue Amy aallen@welchs.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE14C3.A29D39C6 Content-Type: text/html Take 2

My poetry you willingly deride
So setting all pretense aside
I'll compose you a verse
That will be better, not worse
Than the last one you tossed to the side

There once was a man named Tony
Who's love poems were stupid and phony
Till one day I said,
"I'm going to be wed!"
So he went back to beating bologna

There once was a girl named E. Spear
Who's love life we all had to hear
Her tales she shared
Until no one cared
That she hadn't had sex in a year

There once was a sexy young actor
Who liked to use lots of Max Factor
He flirted and scamped
And coddled and tramped
Until wife ran him over with a tractor

There once was a lecherous Duke
Who made all the girls want to puke
He procured hotel keys
And said "pretty please!"
And now we all think he's a kook

Zoe thinks hair makes her pretty
But my hands get so icky and gritty
When I glue on her wig
Her head gets real big
And she thinks that she's clever and witty

Our tenor is gallant and gay
He reminds us of this every day
But he lusts for another
In fact, it's his "brother"
With whom he would go all the way

Sex, lies, and secrets, that's what we all do
I love him, he likes me, I may want you
I'm not a John Keats
But my poetic treats
Point to truths that could serve to unglue




Amy
aallen@welchs.com


------_=_NextPart_001_01BE14C3.A29D39C6--  1, answered,, Summary-line: 20-Nov Rebecca A. Consentino #yet more poetry Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21206; Fri, 20 Nov 98 16:08:37 EST Received: from ACS1.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18783; Fri, 20 Nov 98 16:08:36 EST Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs1.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.b5.ACS)/) with SMTP id QAA218282; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:08:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:08:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" X-Sender: rac@acs1.bu.edu Reply-To: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "Allen, Amy" Cc: "'Scott Gagnon'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: yet more poetry In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:08:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" X-Sender: rac@acs1.bu.edu Reply-To: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "Allen, Amy" Cc: "'Scott Gagnon'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: yet more poetry In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Writing poetry: a really bad diversion for this soprano. Below are several poems for you all to read I hope you like them. ------------------------------------ Miss Amy wants Scott really bad; Too bad he's already been had! With Jen as his wife, He's with her for life, Which makes Amy terribly sad. ----------------------------------- There once was a girl at auditions Who has yet to show signs of contrition For wearing no bra As she sang, "Ti-re-fa!" Which left Scott in an awkward position. ------------------------------------ There once was a man named Dave J. Who had little to do through the day. So he emailed the cast-- Saying, "Wow! what a blast It would be if we rolled in the hay. ---------------------------------- There once was a music director Who hated a sweet stage director. The show Phil's palace; Baton is Phil's phallus-- He has such a puny erector. ---------------------------------- Jen likes to eat caesar salad; Scott wants a large garden salad. This is their dinner; They hope to get thinner! If they do, I shall write them a ballad. -------------------------------------------- Amy thinks that poems are her genre; She takes a special joy in writing these. She specializes in the deuble-entendres; She likes to joke and jibe and flirt and tease. It seems she learned her trade from Tony Parkes; He writes long dirty poems meant to please. But when she gets his poems, oh, she barks; He typically describes her mammaries. So hard it is to such a beauty see As Amy Allen, who, to lech's gaze, Is fairer than the angels ere could be; She quite seems blest by heaven's glorious rays! Then, leches should take lessons from Lonnie: When poems don't work, just try a hotel key!  1,, Summary-line: 20-Nov Rebecca A. Consentino #Re: Common theme today Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22760; Fri, 20 Nov 98 16:12:39 EST Received: from ACS1.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00434; Fri, 20 Nov 98 16:12:36 EST Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs1.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.b5.ACS)/) with SMTP id QAA181942; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:12:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:12:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: aallen@welchs.com, scott@hup.harvard.edu Subject: Re: Common theme today In-Reply-To: <199811202053.PAA19758@charon.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:12:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: aallen@welchs.com, scott@hup.harvard.edu Subject: Re: Common theme today In-Reply-To: <199811202053.PAA19758@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Where is everyone? > look all around, under rocks > poetry scares them I really don't know But now, I have a theory: Amy's doing Scott.  1,, Summary-line: 20-Nov Cynthia J. Mallion #TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*) Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA00297; Fri, 20 Nov 98 16:33:02 EST Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07436; Fri, 20 Nov 98 16:32:56 EST Received: from SFT#u#PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:35:12 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:34:50 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: ArcaneKnow@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, jenigough@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:34:50 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: ArcaneKnow@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, jenigough@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Here's what you do. Copy this entire e-mail and change all the answers so they apply to you...then send it to everyone you know, INCLUDING the = person who sent you this. So you should get back a lot of other get-to-know-you e-mails, too You'll learn a lot about your friends that maybe you didn't know. The ultimate survey for: CJ Mallion Nicknames: CJ, Te, Phoenix, Keiko; Cindy or Cinny... but ONLY my mother gets away = with that Hometown: Springfield VA, more or less... (Army brat with multiple roots) Croutons or Bacon Bits: Bacon? Did someone say Bacon? YUM! Favorite Salad Dressing: Ranch. *With* fat, thank you. Do you drink (alcohol)? Nope. Good for killing bacteria, though.... Have you ever gone skinny dipping? Walden Pond.... I think.... It was cold.... Do you make fun of other people? ... not anymore, unless they jabbed first.... Favorite color: Sapphire, Emerald, Ruby, Amethyst... you get the idea.... Have you ever been convicted of a crime? Nope. Nor arrested nor charged. (the curse of being Lawful... you = know how to *not* get caught....) Best on-line friends: I don't have any that aren't off line, too... terribly non-tech of = me, I know... One pillow or two? None. Small blanket folded up. (I sleep on concrete, too, when I = have to) Pets? I WANT A KITTEN!!!! Spock or Yoda: Oooooo, tough. Better go with Yoda to be safe... Favorite Type of music: Ragtime! Can't beat Joplin... hm. Anything 80's, too.... Hobbies: Stained Glass (windows, whimsies, whatever); Cross-stitch, writing = (regency romance) Doll collecting, Cartooning, Costume design, reading, Hooking (rugs), = crochet, anything involving BJ... Dream Car: 1978 Corvette... indy pace car version, with decals, under 30,000 = miles... Words or phrases you overuse: ??? Blink??? Words or phrases you under-use: NO. I MEAN IT. Toothpaste: Arm & Hammer Baking Soda with Minty Fresh Taste, and Biotene =20 Favorite food: ? Um... Oooooooo! Chile con Queso from ChiChi's Crush on: Kurt Russel, Harrison Ford, and Piers Brosnon... for YEARS.... Current boyfriend/girlfriend: BJ, Torc Piercing or tattoos: Don't need any more holes in my head... or anywhere else. No tatoos (permanent)... but the "BarbWire" is tempting... Most romantic thing that ever happened to you: .... gleep. Dunno... Got a really pretty Phoenix picture once upon a = time Coolest thing someone ever gave to you. I got this REALLY cool ring!!! How do you characterized yourself (a hopeless romantic or non-romantic)?: A Romantic Realist.... (ie, cynic to the core, but the core is = mushy...) Do you get along with your parents?: Yep... now that they like their potential son-in-law, they're = great...! (Actually, I've always gotten along with dad, and I get along great = with mom now, too...) Favorite town to chill in: Whoooo.. there are so many pretty places in the world!! Firenze, I = guess, there's so much to just SIT and see.... Favorite ice cream: Coffe and vanilla together with LOTS of whipped cream. Favorite Drink: Diet Coke. What else is there? Favorite Alcoholic Drink: ....?.... um... wouldn't know.... What's your bed time: allegedly: 9pm. reality: 2am Adidas, Nike or Reebok: BOOTS!!! Preferably western. Favorite perfume/cologne: Anything vanilla... got some in Colorado that's still good... Favorite Song at the moment: One Week by Barenaked Ladies. Sounds like an ad jingle, so can't = shake it... Favorite Musical Groups/Artist: Group: Spice Girls (come see my poster collection!); artist: Pat = Benetar Favorite opera/musical: Godspell/Beauty & the Beast/1776 Favorite movie: Star Wars (was there any doubt?) with 5th Element a close second... Favorite TV show(s): ... TV? I remember TV...=20 Favorite Novel: Watership Down, probably forever; anything by Sir Jeffrey Archer Favorite cartoon or character from your childhood: The Super Friends!! WonderTwin Powers, Activate! (... and Blue = Falcon and Dynomutt) Favorite Website: http://rencrafters.com/dragonheartdesigns coming soon!! Favorite subject in school: English, language, anything with writing... Least favorite subjects: Math. So naturally, I went to M.I.T. to play with math and radiation Favorite sport to watch: Football, but only with my boys playing (the Denver Broncos... 10 an' = 0!!!) Loudest person I know: Hi, Deb....! Craziest person I know: Foooooo... probably me, I just hide it well.... Favorite Holiday: Love 'em all; I like celebrating happythings Craziest thing you ever did: Got engaged.... again. But it's probably also the smartest thing I've = done in a long time, so all is well..... What do you look for in the opposite sex: BJ! (Tall, dark hair, light eyes, great smile, good hugs & sense of = humor...) Say one nice thing about the person who sent this to you and make sure you send it back to them: Gotten it from three folks.... so far.... Deb, you're a maniac, but you're the best. Mike, ditto.... but really, Skim Milk? BJ, love you forever....  1,, Summary-line: 20-Nov Rebecca A. Consentino #Re: TTFN Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA00851; Fri, 20 Nov 98 16:34:22 EST Received: from ACS1.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07887; Fri, 20 Nov 98 16:34:19 EST Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs1.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.b5.ACS)/) with SMTP id QAA115460; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:34:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:34:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: aallen@welchs.com, scott@hup.harvard.edu Subject: Re: TTFN In-Reply-To: <199811202125.QAA19886@charon.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:34:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: aallen@welchs.com, scott@hup.harvard.edu Subject: Re: TTFN In-Reply-To: <199811202125.QAA19886@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "All alone am I! No one loves Becca at all!" she cried in despair. On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, David C. Jedlinsky wrote: > > It has been really fun, > all the diversions we had today. > But now I have to run, > if I am to make it to our play. >  1,, Summary-line: 20-Nov Rebecca A. Consentino #The Oracle replies! (fwd) Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02959; Fri, 20 Nov 98 16:40:17 EST Received: from ACS1.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA09800; Fri, 20 Nov 98 16:40:13 EST Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs1.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.b5.ACS)/) with SMTP id QAA83856; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:40:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:40:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: Scott Gagnon , David Jedlinsky Subject: The Oracle replies! (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:40:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: Scott Gagnon , David Jedlinsky Subject: The Oracle replies! (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The internet oracle has still not responded to my initial grovel. So i wrote it again... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: The Internet Oracle The Internet Oracle has pondered your question deeply. Your question was: > Are you a big cheesy crock? And in response, thus spake the Oracle: } mail me more moosee meat moron.  1,, Summary-line: 20-Nov Marc Shepherd #Random House Edition Reprinted Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09831; Fri, 20 Nov 98 22:44:36 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07187; Fri, 20 Nov 98 22:44:35 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id WAA21632; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:44:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:44:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3656349F.C588B1F0@cris.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple@cris.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Random House Edition Reprinted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:44:00 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: oakapple@cris.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Random House Edition Reprinted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) The Random House Edition of the G&S Libretti has recently been reprinted. Amazon.com indicates a publication date of September, 1998. The publisher is Black Dog & Leventhal, ISBN 1-57912-037-7. In 1932, Random House published "Plays & Poems of W. S. Gilbert." It included a sixty-page preface by Deems Taylor, the 14 canonical works, "The Palace of Truth," "The Mountebanks," "His Excellency," and "The Bab Ballads." At 1,218 pages, it was the most Gilbert ever published in one volume. I believe there was also a 1960 reprint (which I do not have). The 1998 reprint includes the Deems Taylor preface and the 14 G&S libretti, but not the three other plays or the Bab Ballads. It sells for $14.98 at Amazon.com. The text is substantially that of the Macmillan Edition. It is certainly welcome to see the operas back in hardcover. I can't recall the last time you could buy them in that form, aside from the very flawed Folio Society Edition a few years back. The pagination is the same as the Modern Library Edition, which members of the G&S Society of NY, and readers of Warren Colson's G&S Concordance, will appreciate. -- Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com Web: http://www.cris.com/~oakapple  1,, Summary-line: 21-Nov Rebecca A. Consentino #The Oracle replies! (fwd) Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27154; Sat, 21 Nov 98 01:42:36 EST Received: from ACS4.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03069; Sat, 21 Nov 98 01:42:32 EST Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs4.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.b5.ACS)/) with SMTP id BAA222096; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:42:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:42:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: Scott Gagnon , David Jedlinsky , Amy Allen Subject: The Oracle replies! (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:42:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: Scott Gagnon , David Jedlinsky , Amy Allen Subject: The Oracle replies! (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII LOLOLOL lookit the reply I got to one of my questions! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:20:26 -0500 (EST) From: The Internet Oracle To: "Rebecca A. Consentino" Subject: The Oracle replies! The Internet Oracle has pondered your question deeply. Your question was: > > if 999 nuns interned in an indiana nunnery, how good a vocal exercise > would it be to say this over and over on the same pitch? > And in response, thus spake the Oracle: } The Internet Oracle requires an answer to this question! } } > } > if 999 nuns interned in an indiana nunnery, how good a vocal exercise } > would it be to say this over and over on the same pitch? } > } } Hmmm, catchy! } } Nine hundred ninety-nine nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery, } Nine hundred ninety-nine nuns, } If one of those nuns should happen to fall for Sean Connery, } Nine hundred ninety-eight nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery. } } Nine hundred ninety-eight nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery, } Nine hundred ninety-eight nuns, } If one of those nuns should happen to get run over by a Maserati, } Nine hundred ninety-seven nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery. } } Nine hundred ninety-seven nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery, } Nine hundred ninety-seven nuns, } If one of those nuns should happen to become a Buddist, } Nine hundred ninety-six nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery. } } Nine hundred ninety-six nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery, } Nine hundred ninety-six nuns, } If one of those nuns should happen to lose her virginity, } Nine hundred ninety-five nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery. } } Nine hundred ninety-five nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery, } Nine hundred ninety-five nuns, } If one of those nuns should spontaneously to teleport to Andromeda, } Nine hundred ninety-four nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery. } } Nine hundred ninety-four nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery, } Nine hundred ninety-four nuns, } If one of those nuns should happen start wearing drag, } Nine hundred ninety-three nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery. } } Nine hundred ninety-three nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery, } Nine hundred ninety-three nuns, } If one of those nuns should happen start wearing drag, } Nine hundred ninety-two nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery. } } Nine hundred ninety-two nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery, } Nine hundred ninety-two nuns, } If one of those nuns should happen to be named Lisa, } Nine hundred ninety-one nuns interned in an Indiana nunnery. } } Hmm hmmhmm hmmhmm hmm hmm hmmhmm hm hm hmmhmmhmm . . . } Oh darn, now I'll never get that tune out of my mind. } } You owe the Oracle two hail Marys and a whole bunch of beer. } Hmm hmmhmm hmmhmm hmm hmm hmm . . . hmm hmmhmm . . .  1,, Summary-line: 21-Nov ArcaneKnow@aol.com #Re: TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA14408; Sat, 21 Nov 98 12:40:45 EST Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13076; Sat, 21 Nov 98 12:40:45 EST Received: from ArcaneKnow@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 2LLLa26097; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:39:19 -0500 (EST) From: ArcaneKnow@aol.com Message-Id: <42c073b9.3656fac7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:39:19 EST To: CJ@sftlaw.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, Takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, jenigough@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 *** EOOH *** From: ArcaneKnow@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:39:19 EST To: CJ@sftlaw.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, Takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, jenigough@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 11/20/98 2:32:30 PM Mountain Standard Time, CJ@sftlaw.com writes: << The ultimate survey for: Todd Leatherman Nicknames: Walker, Vadros, Arogant ***, ( I also call CJ Cinny when she isn't looking) Hometown: Shreveport, LA Croutons or Bacon Bits: Bacon Favorite Salad Dressing: Ranch. . Do you drink (alcohol)? Not much, usually about twice a week, I'll have a couple of beers, but I don't drink to get drunk like I did in college. Have you ever gone skinny dipping? Yes, my house has a hot tub, and clothes are not allowed in it. It causes us to have to replace the filter that much more quickly. Do you make fun of other people? No, usually peple are poking fun at me, not the other way around. Especially Dick and Jane, Winona's parents. They love to zing me any chance they can get. And I am going to have Thanksgiving with these people? Favorite color: Green, the color of MONEY! Oh, also growth, health, and other nice things. Have you ever been convicted of a crime? No, I am also Lawful to the nth degree, but I did once have a warrant out for my arrest. It wasn't my fault. No really! Let me explain.... Best on-line friends: Tina, I talk to her about what ails me. Pets? Nope, I don't want kids or pets, well.... maybe eventually a daughter or a cat. Spock or Yoda: Yoda, help you I can , hmmMMMmmm.... Favorite Type of music: 80's, It was a good decade for music. Ren faire songs are also a must. Hobbies: Fencing, I teach it to some of my friends in this area, it also gives me someone to trounce when they get a little to cocky. Dream Car: Subaru Forrester. What can I say, I'm practical. Words or phrases you overuse: Fairness is highly overrated. Words or phrases you under-use: No. I need to learn to say no. Toothpaste: Crest, with all the bells and whistles. Favorite food: STEAK! Preferably so rare a good vet can probably bring it back. Crush on: No one currently, I'm not the crush kind of guy. Current boyfriend/girlfriend: Cassie, but our relationship is failing Piercing or tattoos: One in my left ear, usually empty. Most romantic thing that ever happened to you: I recieved a dozen red roses. What can I say, I am a sentimental guy. How do you characterized yourself (a hopeless romantic or non-romantic)?: Hopeless romantic, but apt to get sick of myself for being that way. Do you get along with your parents?: Well, yes. As long as certain subjects are not mentioned. Favorite town to chill in: Conifer, where I live. It's a very small mountain town. Favorite ice cream: Chocolate Favorite Drink: Milk, It does my body good. Favorite Alcoholic Drink: Oatmeal Stout beers. What's your bed time: 9pm I work early Adidas, Nike or Reebok: Reebok, I wear tenni-pumps to work. Favorite perfume/cologne: None, I hate the stuff on me or others. Favorite Song at the moment: Mummers Dance, Lorena McKennit Favorite Musical Groups/Artist: Phil Collins Favorite opera/musical: CATS! Favorite movie: Star Wars, What can I say. Favorite TV show(s): There is a black box in my house that never does anything, my friend once came over and called it a a TV. Favorite Novel: The Martian Cronicles of Edgar Rice Burroughs, go John Carter! Favorite cartoon or character from your childhood: I'm still in my childhood at 28, and I like the cajun. Gambit. Favorite Website: http://www.chainmaile,com Favorite subject in school: Math, I love numbers. Least favorite subjects: Biology, Chemistry, but Physics was very cool! Favorite sport to watch: Fencing, I like swords. Loudest person I know: Deb, no debate. Craziest person I know: Me, I just look normal, well... maybe normal loking would be stretching it. Favorite Holiday: Christmas, I like giving, especially now that I can afford to do so. Craziest thing you ever did: Well, these two girls walked up to me and said, 'Gee, that's a nice sword belt.' And I continued to talk with them. And here I am eight years later after all they have done to me. CJ, Nona, thanks, I think. What do you look for in the opposite sex: Brains, a surprisingly rare comodity. Eyes, I like eyes. Looks are a plus.  1,, Summary-line: 21-Nov Irv Hodgkin #Ass-cons Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22740; Sat, 21 Nov 98 22:01:30 EST Received: from p2.acadia.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14320; Sat, 21 Nov 98 22:01:30 EST Received: from Irvide.acadia.net (ell51.acadia.net [205.217.218.35]) by p2.acadia.net (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA01985; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:00:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:00:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811220300.WAA01985@p2.acadia.net> X-Sender: ihodgkin@post.acadia.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: phoebem@idt.net, gelflingaa@aol.com, adina@cduniverse.com, aallen@welchs.com, help_desk@iroquois.com, opus@MIT.EDU, erics@gateway.virtus.com, stuart.leventhall@virgin.net, jbayes@occs.cs.oberlin.edu, joshb@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, gizella.roberts@oberlin.edu, LBlocher@worldnet.att.net, Philip_Gellis@mccord.com, POLINIAK@DEPT.CS.NYU.EDU, rac@bu.edu, sjaques@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, sally@jrol.com, goblin@ort.org.il, chiodo@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, litwin@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, deenihan@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, rozmus@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com From: Irv Hodgkin Subject: Ass-cons *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:00:55 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: ihodgkin@post.acadia.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: phoebem@idt.net, gelflingaa@aol.com, adina@cduniverse.com, aallen@welchs.com, help_desk@iroquois.com, opus@MIT.EDU, erics@gateway.virtus.com, stuart.leventhall@virgin.net, jbayes@occs.cs.oberlin.edu, joshb@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, gizella.roberts@oberlin.edu, LBlocher@worldnet.att.net, Philip_Gellis@mccord.com, POLINIAK@DEPT.CS.NYU.EDU, rac@bu.edu, sjaques@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, sally@jrol.com, goblin@ort.org.il, chiodo@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, litwin@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, deenihan@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, rozmus@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com From: Irv Hodgkin Subject: Ass-cons How do you like these moons? --Irv (aka, Dick Deadeye) "I'm unpleasant to look at, and my name's agin me, but I ain't as bad as I seem." >> We all know those cute little computer symbols called >> "emoticons," where :) means a smile and :( is a frown. >> Sometimes these are represented by :-) and :-( >> respectively. >> >> Well, how about some "ass cons"? Here goes: >> >> (_!_) a regular ass >> >> (__!__) a fat ass >> >> (!) a tight ass >> >> (_._) a flat ass >> >> (_^_) a bubble ass >> >> (_*_) a sore ass >> >> (_!__) a lop-sided ass >> >> {_!_} a swishy ass >> >> (_o_) an ass that's been around >> >> (_O_) an ass that's been around even more >> >> (_x_) kiss my ass >> >> (_X_) leave my ass alone >> >> (_zzz_) a tired ass >> >> (_o^o_) a wise ass >> >> (_E=3Dmc2_) a smart ass >> >> (_13_) an unlucky ass >> >> (_$_) Money coming out of his ass >> >> (_?_) Dumb Ass >> >> oo ..oo*"""**oo.oo*""*oo.. >> . oo*" "*o.o*" "*o. >> . o" 'o" "o >> o o *o >> .o o 'o >> o o o. >> o o o. >> o o o >> o \o/ o >> o --0-- o >> o. /o\ o >> o o o >> o o o >> o o oo >> oo o oo >> oo. oo oo >> 'ooo. .oo. ooo >> "o ""oo,, ,,oO-'Oo, ,,,,,oo"o >> o. """""" oo """"" .o >> 'o oo o' >> *o oo o >> 'o o o >> o o o >> o o o >> o o o >> o o o >> o o o >> o o o >> >> You have been e-mooned! Send this to 5 people within the >> next hour and you will be blessed with people laughing at >> your e-mail. Happy e-mooning!!! >> >> This is NOT a chain letter, so if you don't mail it out, >> you won't have bad luck. (But who wouldn't want to e-moon >> a friend?) >> >  1,, Summary-line: 22-Nov endes-Barry & Scott Barry #Lawyer one-liners Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05601; Sun, 22 Nov 98 00:17:19 EST Received: from u3.farm.idt.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26219; Sun, 22 Nov 98 00:17:19 EST Received: from [206.20.7.2] (ppp-2.ts-1.ct.idt.net [206.20.7.2]) by u3.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA20800; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:16:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:22:00 -0500 To: rm3m@idt.net, gelflingaa@aol.com, adina@cduniverse.com, aallen@welchs.com, CMDAVIS1@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU, chiodo@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, opus@MIT.EDU, erics@gateway.virtus.com, gregory.perrine@oberlin.edu, stuart.leventhall@virgin.net, "Litwin, Jennifer" , jbayes@cs.oberlin.edu, joshb@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, lpaschke@genre.com, dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu, LBlocher@worldnet.att.net, rozmus@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, aboundinggrace@hotmail.com, Philip_Gellis@mccord.com, POLINIAK@SPARKY.CS.NYU.EDU, rac@bu.edu, sjaques@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, sally@jrol.com, ssilvers@shackandsiegel.com From: Rica Miriam Wasser de Sola Mendes-Barry & Scott Barry Subject: Lawyer one-liners *** EOOH *** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:22:00 -0500 To: rm3m@idt.net, gelflingaa@aol.com, adina@cduniverse.com, aallen@welchs.com, CMDAVIS1@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU, chiodo@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, opus@MIT.EDU, erics@gateway.virtus.com, gregory.perrine@oberlin.edu, stuart.leventhall@virgin.net, "Litwin, Jennifer" , jbayes@cs.oberlin.edu, joshb@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, lpaschke@genre.com, dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu, LBlocher@worldnet.att.net, rozmus@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, aboundinggrace@hotmail.com, Philip_Gellis@mccord.com, POLINIAK@SPARKY.CS.NYU.EDU, rac@bu.edu, sjaques@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, sally@jrol.com, ssilvers@shackandsiegel.com From: Rica Miriam Wasser de Sola Mendes-Barry & Scott Barry Subject: Lawyer one-liners >X-From_: ihodgkin@acadia.net Sat Nov 21 22:01:32 1998 >Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:01:28 -0500 (EST) >X-Sender: ihodgkin@post.acadia.net >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: phoebem@idt.net >From: Irv Hodgkin >Subject: Lawyer one-liners > >>From "guess who"... the, now, one-eyed worm. > >---Irv > > >>Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:32:21 >>To: Boys, Boys' Gals >>From: Irv Hodgkin >>Subject: Lawyer one-liners > > >>This list comes from one of my lawyer frie..., er, acquaintances. ;-) >> >>--Irv (aka, Dick Deadeye) >> >>"I'm unpleasant to look at, and my name's agin me, >>but I ain't as bad as I seem." >> >> >> >> Lawyer one-liners >> >> >>> What do lawyers use for birth control? >>> * Their personalities. >>> >>> What is the difference between a tick and a lawyer? >>> * A tick falls off of you when you die. >>> >>> Why does the law society prohibit sex between lawyers and >>> their clients? >>> * To prevent clients from being billed twice for what is >>> essentially the same service. >>> >>> What do you have when 100 lawyers are buried up to their >>> neck in sand? >>> * Not enough sand. >>> >>> What's the difference between a dead skunk in the road and a >>> dead lawyer in the middle of the road? >>> * There are skid marks in front of the skunk. >>> >>> What is black and brown and looks good on a lawyer? >>> * A Doberman. >>> >>> Why are lawyers like nuclear weapons? >>> * If one side has one, the other side has to get one. Once >>> launched, they cannot be recalled. When they land, they >>> screw up everything forever. >>> >>> What do lawyers and sperm have in common? >>> * One in 3,000,000 has a chance of becoming a human being. >>> >>> Did you hear that the Post Office just recalled their latest >>> stamps? >>> * They had pictures of lawyers on them ...and people >>> couldn't figure out which side to spit on. >>> >>> Lawyer's creed: >>> * A man is innocent until proven broke. >>> >>> What's the difference between a female lawyer and a pit >>> bull? >>> * Lipstick. >>> >>> What do you call 20 lawyers skydiving from an airplane? >>> * Skeet. >>> >>> What do you get when you cross a bad politician with a >>> crooked lawyer? >>> * Chelsea Clinton >>> >>> If you see a lawyer on a bicycle, why should you swerve to >>> avoid hitting him? >>> * It might be your bicycle. >>> >>> Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, an honest lawyer and an old >>> drunk are walking down the street together when they >>> simultaneously spot a hundred dollar bill. Who gets it? >>> * The old drunk, of course; the other three are mythical >>> creatures. >>> >>> It was so cold last winter ... (How cold was it?) >>> * ...... I saw a lawyer with his hands in his own pockets. >>> >>> A man walked into a lawyer's office and inquired about the >>> lawyer's rates. >>> "$50.00 for three questions", replied the lawyer. >>> "Isn't that awfully steep?" asked the man. >>> "Yes," the lawyer replied, "and what was your third >>> question?" >>> >>> You're trapped in a room with a tiger, a rattlesnake and a >>> lawyer. You have a gun with two bullets. What should you >>> do? >>> * You shoot the lawyer. Twice. >>> >>> Do you know what happens when a lawyer takes Viagra? >>> * He gets taller. >> >> > o \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \o/ o /|\ | /\ ___\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ / \ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / \ / \ Rica Mendes-Barry and Scott Barry "What was I thinking?... I've never, hardly ever, phoebem@mail.idt.net right now I'm not drunk" - Christine Lavin  1,, Summary-line: 23-Nov Donna Hirsch #RE: TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*) Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22564; Mon, 23 Nov 98 11:06:47 EST Received: from [204.132.131.6] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05729; Mon, 23 Nov 98 11:06:38 EST Received: by MHIMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:10:47 -0700 Message-Id: From: Donna Hirsch To: "'Cynthia J. Mallion'" , ArcaneKnow@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, jenigough@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, Donna Hirsch , elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: RE: TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:10:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: Donna Hirsch To: "'Cynthia J. Mallion'" , ArcaneKnow@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, jenigough@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, Donna Hirsch , elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: RE: TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:10:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The ultimate survey for: Donna Hirsch Nicknames: DMDB, Elf, Vak, Bonzai-babe, Borgbabe, Chia-hulk (like a chia pet, only bigger) Note: With the possible exception of Vak, all these nicknames where things poeple started spontaneously calling me. Please, just call me Donna. Hometown: Fairfax Croutons or Bacon Bits: Um, neighter. I do like garbanzo beans though. Favorite Salad Dressing: Vinigar (red) and oil (olive) Do you drink (alcohol)? Sometimes. I like to mix it. Have you ever gone skinny dipping? Yup, at the clothing optional hot springs in the Jemez mountains. I remember the time I was wandering around the mountains in the middle of the night searching for the hot springs by the light of a full moon. When I felt the stream (It was warm) and heard people singing in Gailic. I was so happy to find the hot spring - even if it was different than the one I had originally set out to find, and the poeple were nice. Do you make fun of other people? Not unless they have engaged me in it first. Favorite color: Royal blue Have you ever been convicted of a crime? No Best on-line friends: Y'all, If email counts as on-line One pillow or two? One, down Spock or Yoda: Tuvok Favorite Type of music: Simple stuff I can sing or danc to, usully eighties Hobbies: Drawing, writing, make-believe (acting), dancing around my living room, Trek Dream Car: I just want a Rav 4. In ice blue. 'Course I don't tend to dream about cars. The Defiant, if I could have a space ship. Words or phrases you overuse: Growl Words or phrases you under-use: anything current slang-never could keep up Toothpaste: Mentadent Favorite food: Sushi Crush on: David Duchuvney, Aries (I know, I watch too much television) Current boyfriend/girlfriend: None. Motercycle boy called me last weekend, but I'm not going out with him again. Piercing or tattoos: Ring in belly button - to accent flat, well-muscled abdominal region (applause arn't necessary) Most romantic thing that ever happened to you: I'll go with the dozen roses. Only they had thorns-and at the time I didn't realize the guy was trying to be romantic, thought he was just being nice. Coolest thing someone ever gave to you. My cat, given to me by a homless fellow claiming to be the prince of Denmark How do you characterized yourself (a hopeless romantic or non-romantic)?: Hopless romantic, but its my own brand Do you get along with your parents?: Yup, My mom emails me everyday. I like my dad too, only he doesn't communicate Favorite town to chill in: Here, in Boulder Favorite ice cream: Cinimon Favorite Drink: Chai Favorite Alcoholic Drink: Wine What's your bed time: 11pm Adidas, Nike or Reebok: Reebok, but I hav'nt owned a pair of sneakers in a while Favorite perfume/cologne: I'll wear scented oils, but I'm allergic to most perfumes Favorite Song at the moment: One Week by Barenaked Ladies. (oh damn, now that that is mentioned by CJ I can't think of anything else -chickity china the chinese chicken, have a drum stick and your brain starts tick'in-watchin x-files with no lights on) Favorite Musical Groups/Artist: hmmmm? Favorite opera/musical: The Phantom of the Operra Favorite movie: Aliens Favorite TV show(s): Voyager, DS9, Xena, X-files Favorite Novel: Jhereg by Stephen Brust Favorite cartoon or character from your childhood: Thundercats!!! Favorite Website: none Favorite subject in school: English esp Shakespere Least favorite subjects: Math. Any foriegn language (I suppose Math is a foriegn language) Favorite sport to watch: Anti-grav jello bungee-ball (OK I don't really watch sports) Loudest person I know: Griffyn, with deb a close second Craziest person I know: Um, my delusions keep me sane. I define normality. So basically everyone else is crazy Favorite Holiday: Ohhh oohhh, Halloween. Also, any holiday I don't know much about when I'm invited to it. Craziest thing you ever did: Wrestled with a man called Ogre. oouch What do you look for in the opposite sex: Tall, well-built, handsome, with bright intelligent eyes and an alternate existance in outer space. I'm convinced this person does not exsist. Say one nice thing about the person who sent this to you and make sure you send it back to them: Oh my god I'm actually finished with this servey. Ceije is awsome. We love and adore her. Also got it from Todling(like podling). What can I say? I'll be seeing you on Thankgiving. For evil incarnate, you're not so bad. {{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}  1,, Summary-line: 23-Nov Jeff Bigler #Windows NT UI registry hacks Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05549; Mon, 23 Nov 98 11:38:36 EST Received: from mermaid.shore.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16267; Mon, 23 Nov 98 11:38:33 EST Received: from mfswlth-s02-155.port.shore.net (VIOLA) [207.244.109.155] by mermaid.shore.net with smtp (Exim) for dinner@mit.edu id 0zhz0Q-0000uh-00; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:38:31 -0500 To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Windows NT UI registry hacks From: "Jeff Bigler" Sender: jbigler@shore.net X-Zippy: Your CHEEKS sit like twin NECTARINES above a MOUTH that knows no BOUNDS -- Reply-To: jcb@MIT.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:38:31 -0500 *** EOOH *** To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Windows NT UI registry hacks From: "Jeff Bigler" Sender: jbigler@shore.net X-Zippy: Your CHEEKS sit like twin NECTARINES above a MOUTH that knows no BOUNDS -- Reply-To: jcb@MIT.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:38:31 -0500 Here are the two Windows NT registry hacks I mentioned at Ted's dinner on Saturday. To swap Control & Caps Lock, save the following to a file and import it into the registry: REGEDIT4 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,03,00,00,00,1d,00,3a,00,3a,00,1d,00,00,00,00,00 (Note that this change will affect all users who log into the machine. There doesn't appear to be a way to do this within HKEY_CURRENT_USER.) To undo, delete the registry item "Scancode Map" from HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/CurrentControlSet/Keyboard Layout. --------------------------- To have the focus follow the mouse (without auto-raising the window), set the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Mouse\ActiveWindowTracking to 0x1. As you've undoubtedly guessed, to undo this, set the key to 0x0. Jeff  1,, Summary-line: 23-Nov Bagaria, William J., III #RE: TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*) Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07324; Mon, 23 Nov 98 11:43:07 EST Received: from [208.200.215.130] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19955; Mon, 23 Nov 98 11:42:47 EST Received: from vbmim01.venable.com by [208.200.215.130] via smtpd (for SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.72.1.2]) with SMTP; 23 Nov 1998 16:39:06 UT Received: from [172.29.28.3] (unverified [172.29.28.3]) by vbmim01.venable.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:40:24 -0500 Received: from vbsmt02.venable.com by [172.29.28.3] via smtpd (for mime.venable.com [172.29.28.4]) with SMTP; 23 Nov 1998 16:42:27 UT Received: by vbsmt02.venable.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:42:32 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bagaria, William J., III" To: "'Cynthia J. Mallion'" , ArcaneKnow@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, jenigough@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: RE: TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:42:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE1700.43A33B84" *** EOOH *** From: "Bagaria, William J., III" To: "'Cynthia J. Mallion'" , ArcaneKnow@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, jenigough@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: RE: TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:42:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE1700.43A33B84" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE1700.43A33B84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > << Okay, here's what you're supposed to do. Copy this entire e-mail and change > all the answers so they apply to you. Then, send this to your friends > INCLUDING the person who sent you this. So you should get back a lot of > other get-to-know-you e-mails, too. You'll learn a lot of little-known > facts about your friends. > > 1. Name: William James Bagaria 3rd > 2. Nickname: Bill, Bj, Torcstan > 3. Hometown: Springfield VA > 4. Age: 31 > 5. Sex: Male > 6. Location: Springfield VA > 7. Height:6'4 > 8. Eye color: Steel Gray > 9. What do you remember most about this year? New Year's Eve, EveCon, My Birthday, Giving in to Manga and Japanima, Getting a new Job, fixing TORCSTN, CastleCon, proposing to CJ, Reen and Jay's Wedding, getting a new house, > 10. Schools: Chapel Forge Elementary, Samuel Ogle Middle, Bowie HS, Eleanor Roosevelt HS, UMBC > 11. Bacon bits or croutons: Bacon bits > 12. Favorite salad dressing: Wishbone Russian (Red) > 13. What type of deodorant do you use? Avon Deodorant Talcum Powder, Wild Country > 14. Favorite shampoo or conditioner: Selson Blue w/ Aloe > 15. Favorite color: All (leanings towards purple, silver, blue, candy apple blue over silver base coat, gold, chrome, black leather and others) > 16. One pillow or two: two > 17. Pets: nope > 18. Favorite Movies: The Hunger, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Last Star Fighter, Aliens, Terminator, Groundhog Day, LA Story, Beauty and the Beast (Disney), Hercules (Disney), Aladdin (Disney). > 19. Favorite type of music: you name it, with a strong prediliction for Irish folk, pop and female singers > 20. Hobbies: Gaming, Inking, Computer coloring, books, action figure/ doll collecting. > 21. Dream Car: 1988 Lincoln Towncar body w/ a Lamburgini 12 cylinder dropped in the front, the Hummer's independent drive train on all four wheels, fold down back seat with a self inflating mattress. > 22. Type of car you drive: Ford Escort > 23. Word or phrases you overuse: Know what I mean? > 24. Toothpaste: Bioteen > 25. Favorite Food: Chesapeake Blue Crabs > 26. Most romantic thing that ever happened to you: HalloweenCon > 27. Do you get along with your parents? yes > 28. Favorite town to chill in: Springfield VA > 29. Favorite ice cream: Rocky Road > 30. Favorite TV shows: Don't watch much TV > 31. Favorite concert you've been to: Tori Amos's 3rd US tour (actual 2nd album but second time US for that tour) > 32. Do you believe in yourself? Yes > 33. Favorite board game(s): DungeonQuest > 34. Favorite magazine: Entertainment Weekly > 36. Favorite cigarettes: unlit ones > 37. Favorite drink:Milk > 38. Favorite soda pop: IBC Rootbeer > 39. What's your bedtime? 10PM > 40. Favorite shoes: Tennis Shoes > 41. Favorite perfume/cologne:? none > 42. Favorite song at the moment: One Week by Bare Naked Ladies > 43. Favorite website: Phil and Kaja's > 44. Favorite sound(s): CJ's purr as she burrows into my chest > 45. Favorite smell(s): baking cookie, gasoline, popcorn > 46. Drinks, with or without ice cubes: without > 47. Worst feeling in the world: watching a friend date a meanie > 48. Best feeling in the world: see favorite sounds (#44) > 49. Where do you see yourself in 10 years: Setting up Axton Landing as a HQ/ training grounds > 50. What was the first thing you thought of when you woke up this morning? I don't want to get out of bed. No more moving! > 51. Do you like to drive? Yes esp along parkways > 52. If you could do anything to the person you hated most, what would you do? Heal their mind > 54. Online Crush: see Phil and Kaja's site (#43) > 55. Current Boyfriend/Girlfriend? CJ, T!a, K-Ko, Jordan, Diana > 56. Favorite subject in school: Engineering and creative writing > 57. Least favorite subject: Optics and Relativity > 58. Favorite sport to watch: College Female Gymnastics > 59. Most humiliating moment: being taken out of school > 60. Craziest person or silliest person you know: Scott Peterson > 61. Favorite holiday: New Year's Eve, Thanksgiving > 62. If you could have any occupation when you get older, what would it be? Writer/ Healer/ Builder (Banzii) > 64. What are your favorite quotations? "When something goes wrong, it's never at a good time" > 66. Have you ever been in love? yes > 67. What's on your walls in your room? Art > 70. Which kind of milk is your favorite? Whole > 71. If you could be one gardening tool, which one would you be? shovel > 72. What kind of shoe would you be if you had the option to be a shoe and why? lady's high heel shoe, think about it > 73. What kind of work do you do: support staff at a law firm > 74. Thing you miss the most: Old Friends > 75. Do you sleep with a stuffed animal? yes > 76. What do u look for in a guy/girlfriend: Cynthia Jane Silverdragon > 77. What is your zodiac sign? Taurus > 78. When is your birthday? April 23 > 79. Are you an indoors or outdoors person? indoor > 81. Do you have children? yep, stuffed animals, action figures and dolls > 82. How many boys? little less then half > 83. Say one nice thing about the person that sent you this: Mike is incredibly creative, should be an artist or writer. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE1700.43A33B84 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: TMI questionnaire (was Re: FWD question*snip*)

> << Okay, here's what you're supposed to = do. Copy this entire e-mail
and change
>  all the answers so they apply to you. = Then, send this to your friends
>  INCLUDING the person who sent you this. = So you should get back a
lot of
>  other get-to-know-you e-mails, too.  = You'll learn a lot of
little-known
>  facts about your friends.
> 
>  1. Name: William James Bagaria 3rd
>  2. Nickname: Bill, Bj, Torcstan
>  3. Hometown: Springfield VA
>  4. Age: 31
>  5. Sex: Male
>  6. Location: Springfield VA
>  7. Height:6'4
>  8. Eye color: Steel Gray
>  9. What do you remember most about this = year? New Year's Eve, EveCon, My Birthday, Giving in to Manga and = Japanima, Getting a new Job, fixing TORCSTN, CastleCon, proposing to = CJ, Reen and Jay's Wedding, getting a new house,

>  10. Schools: Chapel Forge Elementary, = Samuel Ogle Middle, Bowie HS, Eleanor Roosevelt HS, UMBC
>  11. Bacon bits or croutons: Bacon = bits
>  12. Favorite salad dressing: Wishbone = Russian (Red)
>  13. What type of deodorant do you use? = Avon Deodorant Talcum Powder, Wild Country
>  14. Favorite shampoo or conditioner: = Selson Blue w/ Aloe
>  15. Favorite color: All (leanings towards = purple, silver, blue, candy apple blue over silver base coat, gold, = chrome, black leather and others)

>  16. One pillow or two: two
>  17. Pets: nope
>  18. Favorite Movies: The Hunger, Star = Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Last Star Fighter, Aliens, Terminator, = Groundhog Day, LA Story, Beauty and the Beast (Disney), Hercules = (Disney), Aladdin (Disney).

>  19. Favorite type of music: you name it, = with a strong prediliction
for Irish folk, pop and female singers
>  20. Hobbies: Gaming, Inking, Computer = coloring, books, action figure/ doll collecting.
>  21. Dream Car: 1988 Lincoln Towncar body = w/ a Lamburgini 12 cylinder dropped in the front, the Hummer's = independent drive train on all four wheels, fold down back seat with a = self inflating mattress.

>  22. Type of car you drive: Ford = Escort
>  23. Word or phrases you overuse: Know = what I mean?
>  24. Toothpaste: Bioteen
>  25. Favorite Food: Chesapeake Blue = Crabs
>  26. Most romantic thing that ever = happened to you: HalloweenCon
>  27. Do you get along with your parents? = yes
>  28. Favorite town to chill in: = Springfield VA
>  29. Favorite ice cream: Rocky Road
>  30. Favorite TV shows: Don't watch much = TV
>  31. Favorite concert you've been to: Tori = Amos's 3rd US tour (actual 2nd album but second time US for that = tour)
>  32. Do you believe in yourself? = Yes
>  33. Favorite board game(s): = DungeonQuest
>  34. Favorite magazine: Entertainment = Weekly
>  36. Favorite cigarettes: unlit = ones
>  37. Favorite drink:Milk
>  38. Favorite soda pop: IBC = Rootbeer
>  39. What's your bedtime?  = 10PM
>  40. Favorite shoes: Tennis Shoes
>  41. Favorite perfume/cologne:? = none
>  42. Favorite song at the moment: One Week = by Bare Naked Ladies
>  43. Favorite website: Phil and = Kaja's
>  44. Favorite sound(s): CJ's purr as she = burrows into my chest
>  45. Favorite smell(s): baking cookie, = gasoline, popcorn
>  46. Drinks, with or without ice cubes: = without
>  47. Worst feeling in the world:  = watching a friend date a meanie
>  48. Best feeling in the world: see = favorite sounds (#44)
>  49. Where do you see yourself in 10 = years: Setting up Axton Landing as a HQ/ training grounds
>  50. What was the first thing you thought = of when you woke up this
morning?  I don't want to get out of bed.  = No more moving!
>  51. Do you like to drive? Yes esp along = parkways
>  52. If you could do anything to the = person you hated most, what
would you  do? Heal their mind
>  54. Online Crush: see Phil and Kaja's = site (#43)
>  55. Current Boyfriend/Girlfriend? CJ, = T!a, K-Ko, Jordan, Diana
>  56. Favorite subject in school: = Engineering and creative writing
>  57. Least favorite subject: Optics and = Relativity
>  58. Favorite sport to watch: College = Female Gymnastics
>  59. Most humiliating moment: being taken = out of school
>  60. Craziest person or silliest person = you know: Scott Peterson
>  61. Favorite holiday: New Year's Eve, = Thanksgiving
>  62. If you could have any occupation when = you get older, what would
it be? Writer/ Healer/ Builder (Banzii)
>  64. What are your favorite quotations? = "When something goes wrong, it's never at a good time"
>  66. Have you ever been in love? = yes
>  67. What's on your walls in your room? = Art
>  70. Which kind of milk is your favorite? = Whole
>  71. If you could be one gardening tool, = which one would you be? shovel
>  72. What kind of shoe would you be if you = had the option to be a
shoe and why? lady's high heel shoe, think about = it
>  73. What kind of work do you do: support = staff at a law firm
>  74. Thing you miss the most: Old = Friends
>  75. Do you sleep with a stuffed animal? = yes
>  76. What do u look for in a = guy/girlfriend: Cynthia Jane Silverdragon
>  77. What is your zodiac sign? = Taurus
>  78. When is your birthday? April = 23
>  79. Are you an indoors or outdoors = person? indoor
>  81. Do you have children? yep, stuffed = animals, action figures and dolls
>  82. How many boys? little less then = half
>  83. Say one nice thing about the person = that sent you this: Mike is incredibly creative, should be an artist or = writer.

------_=_NextPart_001_01BE1700.43A33B84--  1,, Summary-line: 23-Nov Mark W. Eichin #Re: Windows NT UI registry hacks Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA13626; Mon, 23 Nov 98 14:24:25 EST Received: from paycheck.thok.org by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20695; Mon, 23 Nov 98 14:24:19 EST Received: (qmail 22776 invoked by uid 3382); 23 Nov 1998 19:24:11 -0000 To: jcb@MIT.EDU Cc: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Windows NT UI registry hacks References: From: eichin@thok.org (Mark W. Eichin) Date: 23 Nov 1998 14:24:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeff Bigler"'s message of "Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:38:31 -0500" Message-Id: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 *** EOOH *** To: jcb@MIT.EDU Cc: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Windows NT UI registry hacks References: From: eichin@thok.org (Mark W. Eichin) Date: 23 Nov 1998 14:24:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeff Bigler"'s message of "Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:38:31 -0500" Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 here's a related one which I haven't tried, but I am led to believe it is equivalent to "OpaqueMove" under X... not sure if it is 95 or NT specific either. http://www1.halcyon.com/cerelli/desktop.htm#full_windows_drag Full Window Drag ( Without Plus! ) Start Regedit Open HKEY_CURRENT_USER /ControlPanel /Desktop /DragFullWindows On "DragFullWindows" properties change 0 to 1  1,, Summary-line: 24-Nov Jedlinsky, Cindy PRP #Keep working!!! Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26247; Tue, 24 Nov 98 10:02:00 EST Received: from [199.196.189.5] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25116; Tue, 24 Nov 98 10:02:00 EST Message-Id: <9811241502.AA25116@MIT.EDU> Received: from KWIMAIL.heitman.com by 180mail2.heitman.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id XATKZ9B2; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:54:55 -0600 Received: by kwimail.kennedywilson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:02:28 -0800 From: "Jedlinsky, Cindy PRP" To: 'Shannon' , Erika , Dave , Ruth , Robert Subject: Keep working!!! Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:58:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Jedlinsky, Cindy PRP" To: 'Shannon' , Erika , Dave , Ruth , Robert Subject: Keep working!!! Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:58:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > > Most people will have read the recent reports of how Microsoft Chairman > http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/default.asp > Bill Gates has had his personal net worth soar over > 40 billion dollars. He certainly knows how to make money. > > Consider that he made this money in the 22 years or so since > Microsoft was founded in 1975. If you presume that he has > worked 14 hours a day on every business day of the > year since then, that means he's been making money at > a staggering half-million dollars per hour, *around $150 > per second.* > > Which means that if, on his way into the office, should he > see or drop a $500 bill on the ground, it's just not worth > his time to bend over and pick it up. He would make more > just heading off to work. > > It's perhaps more disturbing to look at the slope of his > appreciation this year. From January to July he's gained > some $16 Billion, meaning that at the rate he's going, if he > sees a $10,000 bill, he's just as well to pass itby. > (They do exist, but he won't see one until he buys the > U.S. treasury -- they are not circulated. Salmon Chase, > former secretary of the treasury and chief justice, is > on it.) > > If it's a pile of cash he has to count, it's even worse. At > $2,500 per second so far this year, they would have to be > thousand-dollar Bills -- and he would need to have > a quick hand -- to avoid him losing the money in wasted > time while he's counting them. Counting $500 bills would be very > unprofitable. > > The "Too-small-a-bill-for-Bill" index has gone up quite a > bit over the years. When Microsoft went public in 1986, the > new multimillionaire only had to leave behind $5 bills. > > Bill Gates Dollars > > Another way to examine this sort of wealth is to > compare it to yours. Consider the average American of > reasonable but modest wealth. Perhaps she has a net worth of > $100,000. Mr. Gates' worth is 400,000 times larger. Which means > that if something costs $100,000 to her, to Bill it's as > though it costs 25 cents. You can work out the right > multiplier for your own net worth. > > So for example, you might think a new Lambourghini > Diablo would cost $250,000, but in Bill Gates dollars that's > *63 cents*. > > That fully loaded, multimedia active matrix 233 MHZ > laptop with the 1024x768 screen you've been drooling after? > *A penny*. > > A nice home in a rich town like Palo Alto, California? > *Two dollars*. > > You might spend $100 on tickets, food and parking > to take your family to see an NHL hockey game. Bill, on > the other hand could buy _the team_ for > *100 Bill-bills*. > > You might buy a plane ticket on a Boeing 747 for > $1200 at full-fare coach. In Bill-bills, Mr. Gates could > buy *three 747s*. > One for him, one for Melinda and one for > young Jennifer Katherine. > > > Monica C. Ariza > Peachtree Software > 770-724-4961 > mariza@peachtree.com > http://www.peachtree.com > >  1,, Summary-line: 24-Nov J. Derrick McClure #Ain't that quaint? Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02496; Tue, 24 Nov 98 10:18:40 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00888; Tue, 24 Nov 98 10:18:39 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA19701; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:18:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:18:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: enl069@abdn.ac.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "J. Derrick McClure" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Ain't that quaint? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0.9 *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:18:08 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: enl069@abdn.ac.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "J. Derrick McClure" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Ain't that quaint? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0.9 W.S. Gilbert: We figure in lively paint, Our attitude's queer and quaint - You're wrong if you think it ain't. Oscar Hamerstein: I cain't be prissy and quaint, I'm not the sort that can faint, How can I be what I ain't? Walt Disney: I was never one to faint When things are queer or things are quaint, But seeing things you know there ain't ... Ogden Nash: A girl whose cheeks Are covered with paint Has an advantage with me Over one whose ain't. Ain't that a handy little word when you're stuck for a funny rhyme? Derrick McClure. (I ain't a frettin' 'bout Hell till de time arrive ...) J.Derrick McClure, Department of English, Taylor Building, King's College, University of Aberdeen, Old Aberdeen AB9 2UB, Scotland. Tel. 01224-272625 Fax. 01224-272624 e-mail:  1, answered,, Summary-line: 25-Nov Rebecca A. Consentino #The Oracle replies! (fwd) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29417; Wed, 25 Nov 98 11:21:55 EST Received: from ACS4.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17011; Wed, 25 Nov 98 11:21:55 EST Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs4.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.b5.ACS)/) with SMTP id LAA209836; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:21:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:21:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: David Jedlinsky , Paris Leung Subject: The Oracle replies! (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:21:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: David Jedlinsky , Paris Leung Subject: The Oracle replies! (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hmmmm..... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:59:17 -0500 (EST) From: The Internet Oracle To: "Rebecca A. Consentino" Subject: The Oracle replies! The Internet Oracle has pondered your question deeply. Your question was: > O divine Oracle, > > Why are green eggs and ham green? > And in response, thus spake the Oracle: } HOI! Dr. Seuss! Tell this supplicant why those eggs and ham are } green, or at least get him to a stomach pump pronto... } } (Enter Dr. Seuss. I suppose that you think the fact he's dead means } something to the Oracle?) } } DR. SEUSS: I can tell why the eggs are green. } You must not, should not make a scene. } } Oh, brother. Just say it, would you? (Coughing, as though choking } on the word) Please? } } DR. SEUSS: I sure will! You're so polite! } Your courtesy fills me with delight! } } Grumblesaccharinegripecrappypoetryanywaymoankids'authorsallalikegrumble... } } DR. SEUSS: I'll start off with reason ten: } That you don't know quite where they've been! } } Ten? Watch it, buddy. } } DR. SEUSS: Now we're on to number nine, } That fuschia would not be as fine. } } Continuing with number eight, } The same reason they don't smell so great. } } I don't believe it. Sheesh. Of all people... } } DR. SEUSS: Now don't forget ol' number seven: } The original cook has gone to heaven. } } I'll tell you reason number six; } The eggs were laid by greenish chicks. } } Okay, one more of those, and things will go very badly for you... } } DR. SEUSS: You'll like reason number five... } <***ZOT***> Aiieee!!! } } I tell you, you bring a guy back from the dead and he instantly } starts spouting lame top ten lists. Remind me to make sure } Letterman gets buried in a hermetically sealed titanium casket...on } second thought, why wait until he's dead? } } Anyway, let me put it to you like this, supplicant, since poor Dr. } Seuss...er, had to go. That book is HOW old? If they're only } green, count yourself lucky! By now they probably should have } evolved into some kind of parasitic invertebrate, like a tapeworm, } or a lawyer. Clean that up this instant. Sheesh. } } You owe the Oracle some better literary food-handling practices, and } a titanium casket with a hermetic seal. You can send them care of } my attorney, a Mr. G.E. Andham -- I'm making a...business...trip to } New York. } } DR. SEUSS: (weakly, slightly incoherently) } I...do not like...green eggs and ZOT... } I...do not...like...them...<*ZOT*> <*ZOT*> <*ZOT*> } (smoldering) } } Sorry 'bout that. Some bad ideas just won't die. }  1, forwarded, edited,, Summary-line: 1-Dec Cynthia J. Mallion #A neat little "ethics" test.... Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26494; Tue, 1 Dec 98 16:00:10 EST Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15827; Tue, 1 Dec 98 15:59:50 EST Received: from SFT#u#PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 16:01:28 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 16:00:58 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, elf@universe.digex.net, wjbagaria@venable.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: A neat little "ethics" test.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 16:00:58 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, elf@universe.digex.net, wjbagaria@venable.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: A neat little "ethics" test.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline (with the header that this is the usual Internet psychobabble....) How moral are you? What is your attitude to morals, sex and honesty? The fascinating personality test below was written by a Sydney marriage expert who is a qualified psychologist. It began as a dinner party conversation gimmick, but it has been prepared in this form for readers to test themselves. To do the "test" you must give your honest opinion about morals and honesty of the four characters in our story of Sherwood Forest. Forget any preconceived ideas you may have about them - this is a different sort of story from all the others. "The Sheriff of Nottingham captured Little John and Robin Hood and imprisoned them in his maximum-security dungeon. Maid Marion begged the Sheriff for their release, pleading her love for Robin. The Sheriff agreed to release them only if Maid Marion spent the night with ol' Knottie. To this she agreed. The next morning the Sheriff released his prisoners. Robin at once demanded that Marion tell him how she persuaded the Sheriff to let them go free. Marion confessed the truth, and was bewildered when Robin abused her, calling her a slut, and saying that he never wanted to see her again. At this Little John defended her, inviting her to leave Sherwood with him and promising life-long devotion. She accepted and they rode away together." Now in terms of realistic every-day standards of behavior, put Robin, Marion, Little John and the Sheriff in the order in which you consider they showed the most morality and honesty. There is no "right" answer, and the following is the psychologist's estimate of you for each of the 24 arrangements. Don't scroll down until you have made your list. ROBIN, MARION, SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN: You find it hard to accept the permissive attitudes of others, or to convince them of the validity of your own standards. You are not disposed to trust people and do not have a very happy life. MEN: To you "love" involves sex and duty, rather than charity and forgiveness. WOMEN: You blame men for much of the unhappiness in your life. ROBIN, MARION, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF: Your philosophy of life is a sad hotchpotch of the conventions of society, your own convictions and romanticism. You are not unkind, only staid and unimaginative. MEN: You see a woman as weak but desirable. WOMEN: Your resent the arrogance of men. ROBIN, SHERIFF, MARION, LITTLE JOHN: MEN: We think you are unhappy, although you probably will not admit it. As a ruthless authoritarian you are as moral as it suits you and no more. You do not apply the same rules to men as you do to women. WOMEN: How worthless you seem to think women are. ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN, MARION, SHERIFF: You are a moralist with conventional ideas, which some people would call old-fashioned. MEN: You probably consider yourself a fair-minded man in a world which falls badly below your standards. Your inhibitions and sense of guilt are in the way of your happiness. WOMEN: Unlucky in love? Perhaps you hope for too much in a man. Be a realist, not a romantic. ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, MARION: You are conventional and puritanical. MEN: You moralize and see women as a great conspiracy against man, with sex as their principal weapon. You are missing a great deal in life. WOMEN: Your parents probably played a big part in the formation of such a guilt complex as yours. Your mind is in chains and it's time you did something to free it. LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, SHERIFF, MARION: You are not easy to assess. Basically you are ruled by an inferiority complex and feelings of insecurity. How do you resent yourself to the world? An idealist, a moralist, a conformist keeping up with Jones's? MEN: Your conflicting views on sex and morality may lead to every sort sexual problem. You have always feared women, probably starting with your mother. WOMEN: It is a shame you have not accepted the ideal of woman as the equal (and sometimes stronger) partner of man. LITTLE JOHN, MARION, ROBIN, SHERIFF: You are fairly broadminded romantic and reasonably contented. You value kindness greatly and try to live by your ideals. You do not conceal from yourself, or from others, you strong need for security, which may be either emotional or material. MEN: Perhaps you tend to idealize women and credit them with virtues they don't possess. WOMEN: Your experiences of men have not all been happy, perhaps because you hope for a little too much? LITTLE JOHN, MARION, SHERIFF, ROBIN: You are the slightly romantic realist. You respect truth, and are broadminded and flexible. Whether you are a man or woman you are probably a happy person. You like people and they can readily make friends with you. You are not very adventurous, but this does not bother you. LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, MARION, ROBIN: You too, believe that morality is another word for common-sense and suitability, and not something which is universally valid or a religious truth. Your feeling for security is strong, and you would rate reliability as one of your virtues. MEN: Your estimate of women as the inferior sex suggests that you are a little uncertain of them. WOMEN: You are more permissive about the morals of others than you are about your own. LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, ROBIN, MARION: You are conventional, unimaginative, and something of a prude. It would be surprising if your love life was a soaring success. MEN: You have an old-world authoritarian attitude. One thing is sure - you have some sorry illusions about women. WOMEN: You accept a double standard of morality in which women are very much the "second sex". SHERIFF, ROBIN, MARION, LITTLE JOHN: MEN: We find it hard to imagine you leading a full, happy life. The warmth and give-and-take of love are not for you. Your sex life is ringed with unreality, and you neither understand nor appreciate women. WOMEN: If you really believe this is the right order, you baffle us completely. MARION, SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN: Such an emphatic rejection of ready-made values in probably partly camouflage. You hate to be thought weak or insecure. You value honesty, and abominate humbug and hypocrisy. MEN: Women are very much part of you life, and you are - or perhaps would like to be - quite ruthless, both with women and life in general. WOMEN: You are tolerant about men and their failings - but we mean men, for you have no time for boys on men's errands. MARION, ROBIN, SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN: You know the so-called facts of life, but not to enjoy life itself. You are not a realist and you are inclined to be stubborn. MEN: Women, you think, are either whores or angels, and you over-estimate the differences between the sexes. A woman may find you difficult to live with. WOMEN: You are not sure whether truth and morality go hand in hand or are in opposition. You haven't a very high opinion of men. MARION, ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF: If you are not happy - and we suspect you are not - it maybe because you feel guilty about your own emotions, and lack confidence in your opinions. MEN: No doubt you consider yourself a moral man, and a fair one. Your fuzzy ideas about morality may make their mark on your sex life. WOMEN: You are too concerned about what others think. MARION, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, ROBIN: You are essentially a contented person, even if you consider yourself a little superior. You are moral by your own standards, for you believe that morality is what best suits the occasion. MEN: You are sexually uninhibited, more romantic than you may appear and more dependent on the approval of others than you care to admit. WOMEN: You like being a woman, you understand what love is, and frankly, enjoy sex. MARION, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, SHERIFF: We would expect you to be a happy, well-balanced person who likes people and is like by others. You question whether many conventional views on morality are valid under all circumstances. MEN: Do we detect a sense of chivalry and idealism under the sophistication? WOMEN: You will expect high standards from the men to whom you give your love. LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, MARION, SHERIFF: You are a cautious type, neutral, and rather insecure. You would agree with the idea that everybody has his price - and in your own case it would not be high. MEN: You are sexually inhibited with an underlying distrust of women. WOMEN: At least one man has made you unhappy, and you are now on your guard. SHERRIF, ROBIN, LITLE JOHN, MARION: Although you make a brave show of being self-sufficient, beneath this you are unhappy and rather mixed up. MEN: You don't understand women - probably you are afraid of them. You do not know what love is, and you are more likely to boast about your conquests in a bar than prove them in a bedroom. WOMEN: If men attract you at all, they probably be disastrously the wrong sort. SHERIFF, MARION, ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN: If you are not living a happy life the cause is within yourself. You are a rebel...with a trace of spoilt child about you. You value truth above morality, but you are reasonably tolerant of those who disagree with you. MEN: Any problems you have are not likely to be centered in sex. WOMEN: Despite your experience and intelligence you are a bad judge of men. SHERIFF, MARION, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN: You claim to be a realist or even a cynic, but you are more emotional and romantic and truthful. MEN: Although you are by no means inhibited, your amorous adventures are as much a matter of fantasy as fact. WOMEN: You have been hurt in the past by men - or perhaps a particular man and will probably let it happen again. SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, MARION: Not a moralizing pattern, but... MEN: You share with many other men the idea that most women are fickle and inferior to men. Perhaps a view that you got from your father? Or as a reaction to a domineering mother? WOMEN: You have a pretty poor opinion of yourself, haven't you? SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN, MARION, ROBIN: You have a confused, immature sense of values. You are erratic an stubborn, and inclined to get angry or sulk when you don't get your own way. But at least you are not a moral hypocrite. MEN: "Love 'em and leave 'em" is the motto of a man who is basically afraid of women. WOMEN: Perhaps you would rather be a man than a women? MARION, SHERIFF, ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN: Associate morality with honest and truth more than with religious values. You are impulsive and somewhat unpredictable. MEN: We suspect that you are a would-be lover rather than a very successful one. WOMEN: You are a realist and a rebel, a defender of women's rights. You like men but despise weak ones.  1,, Summary-line: 3-Dec Matthew K Gray #Re: anyone running DNS? Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA13744; Thu, 3 Dec 98 06:50:31 EST Received: from john-muir.media.mit.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25272; Thu, 3 Dec 98 06:50:05 EST Received: (from mkgray@localhost) by john-muir.media.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA01953; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:50:26 -0500 To: belmonte@MIT.EDU (Matthew Belmonte) Cc: sipb-office@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: anyone running DNS? References: <199812030800.DAA01156@belmonte.ne.mediaone.net> From: Matthew K Gray Date: 03 Dec 1998 06:50:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: belmonte@MIT.EDU's message of "Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:00:53 -0500 (EST)" Message-Id: Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 *** EOOH *** To: belmonte@MIT.EDU (Matthew Belmonte) Cc: sipb-office@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: anyone running DNS? References: <199812030800.DAA01156@belmonte.ne.mediaone.net> From: Matthew K Gray Date: 03 Dec 1998 06:50:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: belmonte@MIT.EDU's message of "Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:00:53 -0500 (EST)" Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 > Can anyone help me out with this? Look at http://soa.granitecanyon.com/ They provide free public DNS service, primary and secondary. ...Matthew  1,, Summary-line: 3-Dec Scott Gagnon #Re: hello (fwd) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22992; Thu, 3 Dec 98 11:20:40 EST Received: from hup.harvard.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18849; Thu, 3 Dec 98 11:20:46 EST Received: (from scott@localhost) by hup.harvard.edu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id LAA59748; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:21:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:21:13 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Gagnon To: rac@bu.edu, aallen@welchs.com, opus@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: hello (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:21:13 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Gagnon To: rac@bu.edu, aallen@welchs.com, opus@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: hello (fwd) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Scott Gagnon wrote: > =20 > My name is Daniel Trevi=F1o Trevi=F1o I=B4m from M=E9xico I have 13 years= old I=20 > whant to know :=20 >=20 > How many of calification I need to go to Harvard? =09Here your spelling seems an issue. i am sure you mean "How much=20 calcification do I need to go to Harvard?" While calcium intake is=20 vitally important for any college applicant, it is by no means necessary to consume so much of it that it renders your bones, joints and teeth=20 immobile, or adds to your overall body density. > How many it cost? =09How many of what? It has been said that a good college education can cost quote "an arm and a leg", however this is grossly inaccurate,=20 as the sale of a single healthy limb to medical science will more than cove= r the cost of admission. > How many of calification I need to have a scholarship? >=20 =09Again with the calcification! If you do insist, you may choose to=20 consume so much calcium that you are rendered a white, chalky, immobile=20 statue and can be transported and placed on display at the Peabody Art=20 Museum. While this would essentially grant you free admission to Harvard,= =20 I for one do not recommend it. > Do I need be all that smart if I want to go to Harvard just for starts,= =20 > to try out and see? >=20 =09To my estimation, good fellow, you are already one shiny pebble! Fear not, your skillful omission of the unneccesary word "to" in the=20 phrase "do I need be all that smart" indicates a more than sufficient=20 level of erudition. > Are there girls at Harvard or just boys?=20 > =09The recently adopted policy of issung dark, shadowy robes as=20 official uniforms has rendered this question all but unanswerable. Nonetheless, I have on occasion detected an occasionally high-pitched=20 giggle or two. > > Thank you >=20 > PT: Please appraise me like a good child a child that in the future=20 > whant to be in HARVARD. =09 =09Hmmm, appraising you, as I would a good child...worth, oh $3 a pound, $4 in a good market for such things. >=20 > PT(2): please give me the Email of the Director. >=20 =09Give? Oh, nothing is free, m'boy, that'll be at least another limb. > PT(3): if there are girls and they are pretty please sugest to me what to= =20 > wear. >=20 =09Those head sock things made of polar fleece are popular. And=20 sandals. And get yourself at least something in plaid for god's sake! =09=09Best wishes! =09=09=09=09 > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20  1,, Summary-line: 3-Dec Allen, Amy #FW: hello (fwd) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04626; Thu, 3 Dec 98 11:47:19 EST Received: from charity.harvard.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA29782; Thu, 3 Dec 98 11:47:24 EST Received: from mail.welchs.com (mail.welchs.com [207.180.67.19]) by charity.harvard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA29810; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by SRVEX10 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:48:26 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'opus@Mit.edu'" Subject: FW: hello (fwd) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:48:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE1EDC.BECBE728" *** EOOH *** From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'opus@Mit.edu'" Subject: FW: hello (fwd) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:48:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE1EDC.BECBE728" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE1EDC.BECBE728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MY response. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Gagnon [SMTP:scott@hup.harvard.edu] > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 9:20 AM > To: rac@bu.edu; aallen@welchs.com; opus@mit.edu > Cc: kilbrise@hugse1.harvard.edu; mconway@post.harvard.edu; > econdon@fas.harvard.edu > Subject: hello (fwd) >=20 >=20 > Just received this today. I say he's as good as in. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 18:55:24 PST > From: Daniel Trevi=F1o > To: scott@hup.harvard.edu > Subject: hello >=20 > My name is Daniel Trevi=F1o Trevi=F1o I=B4m from M=E9xico I have 13 = years old I=20 > whant to know :=20 [Amy writes:] What an interesting name you have, Daniel. May I ask, though, what exactly you are doing with those 13 year olds you have? = That's a crime here in the states, you know. > How many of calification I need to go to Harvard? [Amy writes:] Well, Daniel, spelling and grammar aside, the = qualifications (sic) required to attend Harvard are fairly rigorous. You must spin = three times, chant the ancient Incan supplication to the gods of fertility, scratch your left elbow with your left hand, and dance the hula simultaneously. But I am sure that your complete grasp of the English language will be enough to earn you a coveted space on the "no way in = hell" list, and if you're lucky, the "only when hell freezes over" waiting = list. > How many it cost? [Amy writes:] How many of calification I need to have a scholarship? [Amy writes:] Do I need be all that smart if I want to go to Harvard just for = starts,=20 > to try out and see? [Amy writes:] here at Harvard. You either sink or swim. Daniel, my boy, I see you = right > now with a very large boulder strapped to your back.=20 >=20 > Are there girls at Harvard or just boys?=20 [Amy writes:] Thank you >=20 > PT: Please appraise me like a good child a child that in the future=20 > whant to be in HARVARD. PT(2): please give me the Email of the Director. [Amy writes:] PT(3): if there are girls and they are pretty please sugest to me = what to=20 > wear. [Amy writes:] nothing would be your best bet.=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >=20 >=20 >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE1EDC.BECBE728 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: hello (fwd)

MY response.
-----Original Message-----
From:   Scott Gagnon = [SMTP:scott@hup.harvard.edu]
Sent:   Thursday, December 03, 1998 9:20 AM
To:     rac@bu.edu; aallen@welchs.com; opus@mit.edu
Cc:     kilbrise@hugse1.harvard.edu; mconway@post.harvard.edu; = econdon@fas.harvard.edu
Subject:       = hello (fwd)


        Just received this today. I say he's as good as = in.






---------- Forwarded = message ----------
Date: Tue, 01 Dec = 1998 18:55:24 PST
From: Daniel = Trevi=F1o <danielttt@hotmail.com>
To: = scott@hup.harvard.edu
Subject: = hello

My name is Daniel = Trevi=F1o Trevi=F1o I=B4m from M=E9xico I have 13 years old I
whant to know : =
[Amy = writes:]  What an interesting name you have, Daniel.  May I = ask, though, what exactly you are doing with those 13 year olds you = have?  That's a crime here in the states, you know.

How many of = calification I need to go to Harvard?
[Amy = writes:]  Well, Daniel, spelling and grammar aside, the = qualifications (sic) required to attend Harvard are fairly = rigorous.  You must spin three times, chant the ancient Incan = supplication to the gods of fertility, scratch your left elbow with = your left hand, and dance the hula simultaneously.  But I am sure = that your complete grasp of the English language will be enough to earn = you a coveted space on the "no way in hell" list, and if = you're lucky, the "only when hell freezes over" waiting = list.

How many it = cost?
[Amy = writes:]  <This is confidential information.  I could = tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

How many of = calification I need to have a scholarship?
[Amy = writes:]  <Oh, Daniel.  You've no idea.  There are = special scholarships for individuals with your qualifications (sic) and = I am certain that your local Special Needs Scholarship office would be = glad to oblige. =

Do I need be all = that smart if I want to go to Harvard just for starts,
to try out and = see? [Amy writes:]  <There's no such thing = as a trial run here at Harvard.  You either sink or swim. Daniel, = my boy, I see you right now with a very large boulder strapped to your = back. =

Are there girls at = Harvard or just boys?
[Amy = writes:]  <Once again, this is confidential = information.  But I must comment that your tendency to think that = only men would be at such a prestigious university as Harvard is = clearly indicative of your narrow-mindedness towards gender equality = issues.  This may be your ticket in.

         &nb= sp;           &nb= sp;        Thank you

PT: Please appraise = me like a good child a child that in the future
whant to be in = HARVARD.
<Daniel, = I must say that your chances of getting into Harvard (good child or = not) are about as likely as your chances of getting into = Smith.

PT(2): please give = me the Email of the Director.
[Amy = writes:]  <likehell@youredreaming.com. THis is his direct = e-mail.
PT(3): if there are = girls and they are pretty please sugest to me what to
wear. [Amy = writes:]  <Harvard University is a nudist colony.  So = wearing nothing would be your best bet.

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, = Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com



------_=_NextPart_001_01BE1EDC.BECBE728--  1, forwarded,, Summary-line: 3-Dec endes-Barry & Scott Barry #AT&T Funny (Cathlin - read it!) Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18710; Thu, 3 Dec 98 21:19:07 EST Received: from u2.farm.idt.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19052; Thu, 3 Dec 98 21:18:54 EST Received: from [206.20.7.23] (ppp-23.ts-1.ct.idt.net [206.20.7.23]) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28988; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:14:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:19:56 -0500 To: gelflingaa@aol.com, adina@cduniverse.com, aallen@welchs.com, MIKETOMO@IX.NETCOM.COM, CMDAVIS1@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU, chiodo@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, help_desk@iroquois.com, opus@MIT.EDU, elisabeth.harmon@oberlin.edu, PHILOMEL@aol.com, erics@gateway.virtus.com, gerg@bellatlantic.net, stuart.leventhall@virgin.net, ihodgkin@aol.com, "Chiodo, Jane" , "Litwin, Jennifer" , jbayes@cs.oberlin.edu, joshb@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, gizella.roberts@oberlin.edu, lpaschke@genre.com, dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu, LBlocher@worldnet.att.net, rozmus@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, michaellewisbarry@juno.com, rm3m@idt.net, Philip_Gellis@mccord.com, POLINIAK@SPARKY.CS.NYU.EDU, rac@bu.edu, sjaques@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, sally@jrol.com, ssilvers@shackandsiegel.com, goblin@ort.org.il From: Rica Miriam Wasser de Sola Mendes-Barry & Scott Barry Subject: AT&T Funny (Cathlin - read it!) *** EOOH *** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:19:56 -0500 To: gelflingaa@aol.com, adina@cduniverse.com, aallen@welchs.com, MIKETOMO@IX.NETCOM.COM, CMDAVIS1@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU, chiodo@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, help_desk@iroquois.com, opus@MIT.EDU, elisabeth.harmon@oberlin.edu, PHILOMEL@aol.com, erics@gateway.virtus.com, gerg@bellatlantic.net, stuart.leventhall@virgin.net, ihodgkin@aol.com, "Chiodo, Jane" , "Litwin, Jennifer" , jbayes@cs.oberlin.edu, joshb@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, gizella.roberts@oberlin.edu, lpaschke@genre.com, dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu, LBlocher@worldnet.att.net, rozmus@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, michaellewisbarry@juno.com, rm3m@idt.net, Philip_Gellis@mccord.com, POLINIAK@SPARKY.CS.NYU.EDU, rac@bu.edu, sjaques@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, sally@jrol.com, ssilvers@shackandsiegel.com, goblin@ort.org.il From: Rica Miriam Wasser de Sola Mendes-Barry & Scott Barry Subject: AT&T Funny (Cathlin - read it!) ><< One thing that has always bugged me, and I'm sure it does most of > you, is to sit down at the dinner table only to be interrupted by a > phone call from a telemarketer. I decided, on one such occasion, to > try to be as irritating as they were to me. The call was from AT&T > and it went something like this: (swallowing) > > Me: Hello > AT&T: Hello, this is AT&T... > Me: Is this AT&T? > AT&T: Yes, this is AT&T... > Me: This is AT&T? > AT&T: Yes This is AT&T... > Me: Is this AT&T? > AT&T: YES! This is AT&T, may I speak to Mr. Byron please? > Me: May I ask who is calling? > AT&T: This is AT&T. > Me: OK, hold on. > > At this point I put the phone down for a solid 5 minutes thinking > that, surely, this person would have hung up the phone. I ate my > salad. Much to my surprise, when I picked up the receiver, they were > still waiting. > > Me: Hello? > AT&T: Is this Mr. Byron? > Me: May I ask who is calling please? > AT&T: Yes this is AT&T... > Me: Is this AT&T? > AT&T: Yes this is AT&T... > Me: This is AT&T? > AT&T: Yes, is this Mr. Byron? > Me: Yes, is this AT&T? > AT&T: Yes sir. > Me: The phone company? > AT&T: Yes sir. > Me: I thought you said this was AT&T. > AT&T: Yes sir, we are a phone company. > Me: I already have a phone. > AT&T: We aren't selling phones today Mr. Byron. > Me: Well whatever it is, I'm really not interested but thanks for > calling. > > When you are not interested in something, I don't think you can > express yourself any plainer than by saying "I'm really not > interested," but this lady was persistent. > > AT&T: Mr. Byron, we would like to offer you 10 cents a minute, 24 > hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. > > Now, I am sure she meant she was offering a "rate" of 10 cents a > minute, but she at no time used the word "rate." I could clearly see > that it was time to whip out the trusty old calculator and do a > little ciphering. > > Me: Now, that's 10 cents a minute 24 hours a day? > AT&T: (getting a little excited at this point by my interest) Yes > sir, that's right! 24 hours a day! > Me: 7 days a week? > AT&T: That's right. > Me: 365 days a year? > AT&T: Yes sir. > Me: I am definitely interested in that! Wow!!! That's amazing! > AT&T: We think so! > Me: That's quite a sum of money! > AT&T: Yes sir, it's amazing how it adds up. > Me: OK, so will you send me checks weekly, monthly or just one big > one at the end of the year for the full $52,560, and if you send an > annual check, can I get a cash advance? > AT&T: Excuse me? > Me: You know, the 10 cents a minute. > AT&T: What are you talking about? > Me: You said you'd give me 10 cents a minute, 24 hours a day, > 7 days a week, 365 days a year. That comes to $144 per day, $1,008 > per week and $52,560 per year. I'm just interested in knowing how > you will be making payment. > AT&T: Oh no, sir, I didn't mean we'd be paying you. You pay us 10 > cents a minute. > Me: Wait a minute here!!! Didn't you say you'd give me 10 cents a > minute? Are you sure this is AT&T? > AT&T: Well, yes this is AT&T sir but...... > Me: But nothing, how do you figure that by saying that you'll give > me 10 cents a minute that I'll give you 10 cents a minute? Is this > some kind of subliminal telemarketing scheme? I've read about > things like this in the Enquirer, you know. Don't use your alien > brainwashing techniques on me. > AT&T: No sir, we are offering 10 cents a minute for..... > Me: THERE YOU GO AGAIN! Can I speak to a supervisor please! > AT&T: Sir, I don't think that is necessary. > Me: Sure! You say that now! What happens later? > AT&T: What? > Me: I insist on speaking to a supervisor! > AT&T: Yes Mr. Byron. Please hold. > > So now AT&T has me on hold and my supper is getting cold. I begin to > eat while I'm waiting for a supervisor. After a wait of a few > minutes and while I have a mouth full of food: > > Supervisor: Mr. Byron? > Me: Yeth? > Supervisor: I understand you are not quite understanding our 10 > cents a minute program. > Me: Id thish Ath Teeth & Teeth? > Supervisor: Yes sir, it sure is. > > I had to swallow before I choked on my food. It was all I could do > to suppress my laughter and I had to be careful not to produce a > snort. > > Me: No, actually, I was just waiting for someone to get back to me > so that I could sign up for the plan. > Supervisor: OK, no problem, I'll transfer you back to the person > who was helping you. > Me: Thank you. > > I was on hold once again and managed a few more mouthfuls. I needed > to end this conversation. Suddenly, there was an aggravated but > polite voice at the other end of the phone. > > AT&T: Hello Mr. Byron, I understand that you are interested in > signing up for our plan? > Me: Do you have that friends and family thing because you can never > have enough friends and I'm an only child and I'd really like to > have a little brother... > AT&T: (click) o \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \o/ o /|\ | /\ ___\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ / \ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / \ / \ Rica Mendes-Barry and Scott Barry "What was I thinking?... I've never, hardly ever, phoebem@mail.idt.net right now I'm not drunk" - Christine Lavin  1, forwarded,, Summary-line: 4-Dec Cynthia J. Mallion #Christmas humor ( questionable merit ) Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03419; Fri, 4 Dec 98 09:37:55 EST Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02507; Fri, 4 Dec 98 09:37:40 EST Received: from SFT#u#PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:39:47 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:39:38 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, gumbrew@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, elf@universe.digex.net, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: Christmas humor ( questionable merit ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:39:38 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, gumbrew@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, elf@universe.digex.net, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: Christmas humor ( questionable merit ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Not long ago, and not far away, Santa was getting ready for his annual = trip...but there were problems every where. Four of the elves got sick, = and the trainee elves did not produce the toys as fast as te regular ones = so Santa was beginning to feel the pressure of being behind schedule... The Mrs. Clause told Santa her mom was coming to visit...this stressed = Santa even more. When he went to harness the reindeer he found that three of them were = about to give birth, and two of them had jumped the fence and where out = heaven knows where...more stress. And when he began to load the sleigh = one of the boards on the sleigh cracked and the toy bag fell to the ground = spilling the toys... So frustrated was Santa, that he went into the house for a cup of coffee = and a shot of wiskey. He found that the elves had hit the liquor cupboard = and there was nothing there to drink...and in his frustration he dropped = the coffee pot and it broke into hundreds of little pieces all over the = kitched floor...He went to get the broom and found the mice had eaten the = straw it was made from. Just then the doorbell rang and Santa cussed on his way to the door. He = opened the door and there was an angel with a great big Christmas tree. And the Angel said, "Santa, where would you like me to put this Christmas = tree?" And that, my friend, is how the little angel came to be on the top of the = Christmas tree.  1,, Summary-line: 8-Dec Chris Webster #Re: 50 Mikado; Problem with master tape. Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02048; Tue, 8 Dec 98 05:40:33 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20246; Tue, 8 Dec 98 05:40:43 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id FAA13229; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:40:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:40:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812081025.KAA16490@sioux.netdirect.net.uk> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: chriswebster@ndirect.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Chris Webster" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: 50 Mikado; Problem with master tape. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:40:32 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: chriswebster@ndirect.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Chris Webster" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: 50 Mikado; Problem with master tape. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 David, >what are matrix numbers, and from >whence does one obtain them if all you have but a humble record The matrix number identifies the master tape or stamper of each record side. In 78 days this meant that each song had it's own reference number, but for our purposes in the LP age WE do not specifically have a reference for each song - just for the complete 20 or 30 (or whatever) minute side, although no doubt the studio would have reference numbers for each song before it was compiled into a long playing side. So for an LP the matrix shown on the disc is the number of the master of that compilation and not for each song. This number will usually end with an extra digit after a dash which indicates the take or the pressing. The matrix number of each disc is usually to be found stamped or etched into the run out area of a record near the label. The number on the Mikado disc will look like 'ARL 1234 - 5' (this is an invented number - I haven't pulled the record out). There will probably be some letters following this which also look as though they are part of this number. ASAIK these were mainly just engineers reference numbers that were not associated with the true matrix. Many 78s carried extra numbers at the end of the matrix which were not a part of it, but I'm not sure if this also applies to LPs. I choose just to refer to the prefix, the number and the take and ignore the add-ons, although for singles an 'a' or a 'b' would usually be an important part of the matrix because the number was often the same for both sides. Other numbers letters and symbols usually appear in different places in this area of the record, but again these are usually just technical references that have nothing to do with the matrix. Quite often in earlier days any references would be positioned at quarter hour intervals in comparison with a clock and if the label is viewed straight on the matrix would be at half past, although in later years this became far more sloppy and labels were just stuck with no regard for the position of the matrix number. Chris  1,, Summary-line: 8-Dec Allen, Amy #FW: [Fwd: Fwd: What do you call a virgin ....?????] Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16141; Tue, 8 Dec 98 08:11:51 EST Received: from charity.harvard.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06059; Tue, 8 Dec 98 08:11:35 EST Received: from mail.welchs.com (mail.welchs.com [207.180.67.19]) by charity.harvard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA27580; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by SRVEX10 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:12:55 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Allen, Amy" To: "Daniel, Zoe" , "'ellen.spear@infores.com'" , "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" , "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" Subject: FW: [Fwd: Fwd: What do you call a virgin ....?????] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:12:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE22AC.773EE062" *** EOOH *** From: "Allen, Amy" To: "Daniel, Zoe" , "'ellen.spear@infores.com'" , "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" , "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" Subject: FW: [Fwd: Fwd: What do you call a virgin ....?????] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:12:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE22AC.773EE062" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE22AC.773EE062 Content-Type: text/plain These are pretty "punny", if you know what I mean. > -----Original Message----- > From: Heffernan, Christopher > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 7:33 AM > To: Allen, Amy; Carbonell, Jose > Subject: FW: [Fwd: Fwd: What do you call a virgin ....?????] > > Again, I just pass the trash... > > ______________________________ Forward Header > __________________________________ > Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: What do you call a virgin ....?????] > Author: at internet-mail > Date: 12/7/98 12:27 PM > > > > >Q. What do you call a virgin on a waterbed.????? > >A. A cherry float. > > > >Q. What did the sign on the door of the whorehouse say? > >A. Beat it - we're closed. > > > >Q. Why do walruses go to Tupperware parties? > >A. To find a tight seal. > > > >A. Incontinence Hotline... > >Q. Can you hold, please? > > > >Q. What do you do with 365 used rubbers? > >A. Melt them down, make a tire, and call it a Goodyear. > > > >Q. What's the difference between sin and shame? > >A. It is a sin to put it in, but it's a shame to pull it out. > > > >Q. What's the speed limit of sex? > >A. 68; at 69 you have to turn around. > > > >Q. What's the ultimate rejection? > >A. When you're masturbating and your hand falls asleep. > > > >Q. Why did Raggedy Ann get thrown out of the toy box? > >A. She kept sitting on Pinocchio's face, and moaning, "Lie to me!" > > > >Q. Why is air a lot like sex? > >A. Because it's no big deal unless you're not getting any. > > > >Q. If there is H2O on the inside of a fire hydrant, what is on the > outside? > >A. K9P. > > > >Q. What's another name for pickled bread? > >A. Dill-dough > > > >Q. Why did Frosty the Snowman pull down his pants? > >A. He heard the snowblower coming > > > > > > > > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE22AC.773EE062 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: [Fwd: Fwd: What do you call a virgin ....?????]

These are = pretty "punny", if you know what I mean.

-----Original Message-----
From:   Heffernan, Christopher
Sent:   Tuesday, December 08, 1998 7:33 AM
To:     Allen, Amy; Carbonell, Jose
Subject:       = FW: [Fwd: Fwd: What do you call a = virgin ....?????]

Again, I just pass = the trash...

______________________________ Forward Header = __________________________________
Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: = What do you call a virgin ....?????]
Author:  = <ed.ginty@email.riverwood.com> at internet-mail
Date:    12/7/98 12:27 PM


    
 >Q. What = do you call a virgin on a waterbed.?????
 >A. A = cherry float.
 >
 >Q. What = did the sign on the door of the whorehouse say?
 >A. Beat = it - we're closed.
 >
 >Q. Why do = walruses go to Tupperware parties?
 >A. To = find a tight seal.
 >
 >A. = Incontinence Hotline...
 >Q. Can = you hold, please?
 >
 >Q. What = do you do with 365 used rubbers?
 >A. Melt = them down, make a tire, and call it a Goodyear.
 >
 >Q. What's = the difference between sin and shame?
 >A. It is = a sin to put it in, but it's a shame to pull it out.
 >
 >Q. What's = the speed limit of sex?
 >A. 68; at = 69 you have to turn around.
 >
 >Q. What's = the ultimate rejection?
 >A. When = you're masturbating and your hand falls asleep.
 >
 >Q. Why = did Raggedy Ann get thrown out of the toy box?
 >A. She = kept sitting on Pinocchio's face, and moaning, "Lie to me!" =
 >
 >Q. Why is = air a lot like sex?
 >A. = Because it's no big deal unless you're not getting any.
 >
 >Q. If = there is H2O on the inside of a fire hydrant, what is on the
 outside?
 >A. = K9P.
 >
 >Q. What's = another name for pickled bread?
 >A. = Dill-dough
 >
 >Q. Why = did Frosty the Snowman pull down his pants?
 >A. He = heard the snowblower coming
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >

------_=_NextPart_001_01BE22AC.773EE062--  1, edited, answered,, Summary-line: 8-Dec Allen, Amy #FW: Useless Facts Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA25020; Tue, 8 Dec 98 08:54:57 EST Received: from charity.harvard.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14989; Tue, 8 Dec 98 08:54:41 EST Received: from mail.welchs.com (mail.welchs.com [207.180.67.19]) by charity.harvard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA03409; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by SRVEX10 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:56:05 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Allen, Amy" To: "Ortigoza, Traci" , "Donahue, Allison" , "'ellen.spear@infores.com'" , "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: FW: Useless Facts Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:56:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE22B2.7F5C1CBE" *** EOOH *** From: "Allen, Amy" To: "Ortigoza, Traci" , "Donahue, Allison" , "'ellen.spear@infores.com'" , "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: FW: Useless Facts Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:56:04 -0500 > > If you yelled for 8 years, 7 months and 6 days, you would have > > Produced enough sound energy to heat one cup of coffee. > > > > If you fart consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is > > produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb. > > > > The human heart creates enough pressure when it pumps out to the > > body to squirt blood 30 feet. > > > > Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour. > > > > Humans and dolphins are the only species that have sex for > > pleasure. > > > > On average people fear spiders more than they do death. > > > > The strongest muscle in the body is the TONGUE. > > > > It's impossible to sneeze with your eyes open. > > > > You can't kill yourself by holding your breath. > > > > Americans on the average eat 18 acres of pizza every day. > > > > Every time you lick a stamp, you're consuming 1/10 of a calorie. > > > > Did you know that you are more likely to be killed by a champagne > > cork than by a poisonous spider? > > > > Right-handed people live, on average, nine years longer than > > left-handed people do. > > > > In ancient Egypt, Priests plucked EVERY hair from their bodies, > > Including their eyebrows and eyelashes. > > > > A pig's orgasm lasts for 30 minutes. > > > > A crocodile cannot stick its tongue out. > > > > The ant can lift 50 times its own weight, can pull 30 times its own > > weight and always falls over on its right side when intoxicated. > > > > Polar bears are left handed. > > > > The catfish has over 27,000 taste buds, that makes the catfish rank > > as the animal having the most taste buds. > > > > The flea can jump 350 times its body length, that is like a human > > Jumping the length of a football field. > > > > A cockroach will live nine days without it's head, before it starves > > To death. > > > > The male praying mantis cannot copulate while its head is attached > > to its body. The female initiates sex by ripping the males head off. > > > > Some lions mate over 50 times a day. > > > > Butterflies taste with their feet. > > > > Elephants are the only animals that can't jump. (thankfully) > > > > A cat's urine glows under a blacklight. > > > > An ostriches eye is bigger than it's brain. > > > > Starfish haven`t got brains >>  1,, Summary-line: 8-Dec doxite@netlabs.net #Re: Pork pie Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29730; Tue, 8 Dec 98 09:12:45 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19929; Tue, 8 Dec 98 09:12:29 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA18952; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:12:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:12:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <009201be22b3$72d366e0$38ac22ce@doxite> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: doxite@netlabs.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "C.M. Papa, M.D." To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Pork pie X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:12:43 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: doxite@netlabs.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "C.M. Papa, M.D." To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Pork pie X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 ----- >In a production of TRIAL that I did while in college, the director >thought the Counsel's aria should be punctuated by illustrations. >Those chosen were: > > "...a la Watteau..." -- a watercolor landscape a la Watteau >Marc Shepherd The producer of the Brent Jones series of video tapes was someone well versed in the arts. If you look carefully at the "Trial By Jury" segment when that phrase is sung, two of the jurymen have cradled the plaintiff, linking arms and are swinging Angelina under a background of clustered and flowered bridesmaids. Unable to find a suitable Watteau illusion, the producer has made an apt reference to another rococo artist, Fragonard, and his most famous painting, "The Swing". A pretty bit of sophisticated "pork pie". Chris Papa  1, edited,, Summary-line: 8-Dec Allen, Amy #RE: FW: Useless Facts Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA13320; Tue, 8 Dec 98 16:42:41 EST Received: from charity.harvard.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26000; Tue, 8 Dec 98 16:40:45 EST Received: from mail.welchs.com (mail.welchs.com [207.180.67.19]) by charity.harvard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA07272; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by SRVEX10 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:28:26 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'David C. Jedlinsky'" , rac@bu.edu, scott@hup.harvard.edu Subject: RE: FW: Useless Facts Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:28:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE22E9.4EA345C0" *** EOOH *** From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'David C. Jedlinsky'" , rac@bu.edu, scott@hup.harvard.edu Subject: RE: FW: Useless Facts Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:28:25 -0500 Dave, you are so clever. You are so so clever! I may have to save this one. > -----Original Message----- > From: David C. Jedlinsky [SMTP:opus@mit.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 3:21 PM > To: rac@bu.edu; aallen@welchs.com; scott@hup.harvard.edu > Subject: Re: FW: Useless Facts > > > >No, like BUDGETS and SPENDING REPORTS and PROFIT/LOSS statements and > >CONSUMER PROMOTIONS and TRADE SHOW ARRANGEMENTS and COUPON DESIGN and FSI > >tracking and all that other shit I do to pay the bills....(but I love it, > >actually.) > > Budgets and tracking and trade show arrangements, > Spending reports and profit/loss statements, > Consumer promotions and coupon design, > These are the things that I love to malign.  1,, Summary-line: 8-Dec endes-Barry & Scott Barry #[Fwd: darwin awards] Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA28296; Tue, 8 Dec 98 23:14:49 EST Received: from u2.farm.idt.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23465; Tue, 8 Dec 98 23:14:47 EST Received: from [206.20.7.30] (ppp-30.ts-1.ct.idt.net [206.20.7.30]) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00209; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:13:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:19:06 -0500 To: gelflingaa@aol.com, adina@cduniverse.com, aallen@welchs.com, chiodo@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, help_desk@iroquois.com, opus@MIT.EDU, elisabeth.harmon@oberlin.edu, PHILOMEL@aol.com, erics@gateway.virtus.com, gerg@bellatlantic.net, stuart.leventhall@virgin.net, ihodgkin@aol.com, "Litwin, Jennifer" , jbayes@cs.oberlin.edu, joshb@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, gizella.roberts@oberlin.edu, lpaschke@genre.com, dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu, LBlocher@worldnet.att.net, rozmus@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, michaellewisbarry@juno.com, aboundinggrace@hotmail.com, POLINIAK@SPARKY.CS.NYU.EDU, rac@bu.edu, sjaques@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, sally@jrol.com, ssilvers@shackandsiegel.com, goblin@ort.org.il From: Rica Miriam Wasser de Sola Mendes-Barry & Scott Barry Subject: [Fwd: darwin awards] *** EOOH *** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:19:06 -0500 To: gelflingaa@aol.com, adina@cduniverse.com, aallen@welchs.com, chiodo@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, help_desk@iroquois.com, opus@MIT.EDU, elisabeth.harmon@oberlin.edu, PHILOMEL@aol.com, erics@gateway.virtus.com, gerg@bellatlantic.net, stuart.leventhall@virgin.net, ihodgkin@aol.com, "Litwin, Jennifer" , jbayes@cs.oberlin.edu, joshb@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net, christ_janer@aigfpc.com, gizella.roberts@oberlin.edu, lpaschke@genre.com, dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu, LBlocher@worldnet.att.net, rozmus@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, michaellewisbarry@juno.com, aboundinggrace@hotmail.com, POLINIAK@SPARKY.CS.NYU.EDU, rac@bu.edu, sjaques@westport.msmail.aigfpc.com, sally@jrol.com, ssilvers@shackandsiegel.com, goblin@ort.org.il From: Rica Miriam Wasser de Sola Mendes-Barry & Scott Barry Subject: [Fwd: darwin awards] YAY DARWIN AWARDS! > > They have finally been released! The 1998 DARWIN AWARDS!!! > For those not familiar with the Darwin Award, It's an annual honor > given to the person who provided the universal human gene pool the > biggest service by getting killed in the most extraordinarily stupid > way. As always, competition this year has been keen again. Some > candidates appear to have trained their whole lives for this event. > Entries this year have not had the elan of some previous ones, but are > a worthy catalogue of stupidity, incompetence and bad luck. > DARWIN AWARD CANDIDATES > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > 1. In September in Detroit, a 41-year-old man got stuck and drowned in > two feet of water after squeezing head first through an 18-inch-wide > sewer grate to retrieve his car keys. > > 2. In October, a 49-year-old San Francisco stockbroker, who "totally > zoned when he ran," according to his wife, accidentally jogged off a > 100-foot-high cliff on his daily run. > > 3. Buxton, NC: A man died on a beach when an 8-foot-deep hole he had > dug into the sand caved in as he sat inside it. Beachgoers said Daniel > Jones, 21 dug the hole for fun, or protection from the wind, and had > been sitting in a beach chair at the bottom Thursday afternoon when it > collapsed, burying him beneath 5 feet of sand. People on the beach, on > the outer banks, used their hands and shovels, trying to claw their > way to Jones, a resident of Woodbridge, VA, but could not reach him. > It took rescue workers using heavy equipment almost an hour to free > him while about 200 people looked on. Jones was pronounced dead at a > hospital. > > 4. In February, Santiago Alvarado, 24, was killed in Lompoc, AL, as he > fell > face-first through the ceiling of a bicycle shop he was robbing. Death > was caused when the long flashlight he had placed in his mouth (to > keep his hands free) rammed into the base of his skull as he hit the > floor. > > 5. According to police in Dahlonega, GA, ROTC cadet Nick Berrena, 20, > was > stabbed to death in January by fellow cadet Jeffrey Hoffman, 23, why > was trying to prove that a knife could not penetrate the flak vest > Berrena was wearing. > > 6. Sylvester Briddell, Jr , 26, was killed in February in Selbyville, > Delaware, as he won a bet with friends who said he would not put a > revolver loaded with four bullets into his mouth and pull the trigger. > > 7. In February, according to police in Windsor, Ontario, Daniel Kolta, > 27, and Randy Taylor, 33, died in a head-on collision, thus ending in > a tie the game of chicken they were playing with their snowmobiles. > > 8. In September, a 7-year-old boy fell off a 100-foot-high bluff near > Ozark,Ark, after he lost his grip swinging on a cross that marked the > spot where another person had fallen to his death in 1990. > > DARWIN AWARD HONORABLE MENTIONS > > 1. In Guthrie, Okla, in October, Jason Heck tried to kill a millipede > with a shot from his 22-caliber rifle, but the bullet ricocheted off a > rock near the hole and hit pal Antonio Martinez in the head, > fracturing his skull. > > 2. In Elyria, Ohio, in October, Martyn Eskins, attempting to clean out > cobwebsin his basement, declined to use a broom in favor of a propane > torch and caused a fire that burned the first and second > floors of his house. > > 3. Paul Stiller, 47, was hospitalized in Andover Township, > NJ, in September, and his wife Bonnie was also injured, by a > quarter-stick of dynamite that blew up in their car. While driving > around at 2 AM, the bored couple lit the dynamite and tried to toss it > out the window to see what would happen, but they apparently failed to > notice that the window was closed. > > 4. Taking "Amateur Night" Too Far: In Betulia, Colombia, an annual > festival in > November includes five days of amateur bullfighting. This year, no > bull was killed, but dozens of matadors were injured, including one > gored in the head and one Bobbittized. Said one participant, "It's > just one bull against [a town of] a thousand > Morons." > > MORE WEIRD ONES > > 1. Four people were injured in a string of related bizarre accidents: > Jerry > Moeller was admitted with a head wound caused by flying masonry, Tim > Vegas was diagnosed with a mild case of whiplash and contusions on his > chest, arms and face, Bryan Corcoran suffered torn gum tissue, and > Pamela Klesick's first two fingers of her right hand had been bitten > off. Moeller had just dropped her husband off for his first day of work > and, in addition to a good-bye kiss, she flashed her breasts at him. > "I'm still not sure why I did it," she said later. I was really close > to the car, so I didn't think anyone would see. Besides, it couldn't > have been for more than two seconds." However, cab driver Vegas did see > and lost control of his cab, running over the curb and into thecorner > of the Johnson Medical Building. Inside, Klesick, a dental technician, > was cleaning Corcoran's teeth. The crash of the cab against the > building made her jump, tearing Corcoran's gums with a cleaning pick. > In shock, he bit down, severing two fingers from Klesick's hand. > Moeller's wound was caused by a falling piece of the medical building. > > 2. TAOS, NM - A woman went to a poison control center after > eating three birth control vaginal inserts. Her English was so bad > she had to draw a picture describing how she believed she had poisoned > herself. A translator arrived shortly thereafter and confirmed > doctors' suspicions. Marie Valishnokov thought the inserts were some > kind of candy or gum, being unable to read the foil wrappers. After > the third one, she realized > something was wrong when her throat and mouth began to fill with a > sour-tasting foam. She ran for the Poison Control Center, only a few > blocks away, where doctors were able to flush the foam from her mouth, > throat and stomach with no ill effects. > > 3. La Grange, GA - Attorney Antonio Mendoza was released > from a trauma center after having a cell phone removed from his > rectum. "My dog drags the thing all over the house," he said later. > "He must have dragged it into the shower. I slipped on the tile, > tripped against the dog and sat down right on the thing." The > extraction took more than three hours due to the fact that the cover > to Mr. Mendoza's phone had opened during insertion. "He was a real > trooper during the entire episode," said Dr. Dennis Crobe. "Tony just > cracked jokes and really > seemed to be enjoying himself. Three times during the extraction his > phone rang and each time, he made jokes about it that just had us > rolling on the floor. By the time he finished, we really did expect to > find an answering machine in there." > > 4. TACOMA, WA - Kerry Bingham, had been drinking with several > friends when one of them said they knew a person who had bungee jumped > from the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in the middle of traffic. The > conversation grew more heated and at least 10 men trooped along the > walkway of the bridge at 4:30 am. Upon arrival at the midpoint of the > bridge they discovered that no one had brought bungee rope. Bingham, > who had continued drinking, volunteered and pointed out that a coil of > lineman's cable lay nearby. One end of the cable was secured around > Bingham's leg and the other end was tied to the bridge. His fall lasted > 40 feet before the cable tightened and tore his foot off at the ankle. > He miraculously survived his fall into the icy river water and was > rescued by two nearby fishermen. "All I can say," said Bingham, "is > that God was watching out for me on that night. There's just no other > explanation for it." Bingham's foot was never located. > > 5. BREMERTON, WA - Christopher Coulter and his wife, Emily, were > engaging in > bondage games when Christopher suggested spreading peanut butter on > his genitals and letting Rudy, their Irish Setter, lick them clean. > Sadly, Rudy lost control and began tearing at Christopher's penis and > testicles. Rudy refused to obey commands and a panicked Emily threw a > half-gallon bottle of perfume at the dog. The bottle broke, covering > the dog and Christopher with perfume. Startled, Rudy leaped back, > tearing away the penis. While trying to get her > unconscious husband in the car to take him to the hospital, Emily fell > twice, injuring her wrist and ankle. Christopher's penis was in a > Styrofoam ice cooler. "Chris is just plain lucky," said the surgeon > who spent eight hours reattaching the penis. "Believe it or not, the > perfume turned out to be very fortuitous. The high alcohol content, > which must have been excruciatingly painful, helped sterilize the > wound. Also, aside from it being removed, the damage caused by the > dog's teeth to the penis, per se, is minimal. It's really a very > stringy piece of flesh. Mr. Coulter stands an excellent chance of > regaining the use of his limb because of this." Washington Animal > Control has no plans to seize Rudy. > > AND THE WINNER: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > PADERBORN, GERMANY - Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt fed his > constipated elephant, Stefan, 22 doses of animal laxative and more > than a bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged-up > pachyderm finally let fly-and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds > of excrement. Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was > attempting to give the ailing elephant an olive-oil enema when the > relieved beast unloaded on him like a dump truck full of mud. "The > sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr. > Riesfeldt to the ground, > where he struck his head on a rock lay unconscious as the elephant > continued to evacuate his bowels on top of him," with no one there to > help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour before a > watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. "It seems tobe > just one of those freak accidents that happen." > o \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \o/ o /|\ | /\ ___\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ / \ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / \ / \ Rica Mendes-Barry and Scott Barry "What was I thinking?... I've never, hardly ever, phoebem@mail.idt.net right now I'm not drunk" - Christine Lavin  1, edited,, Summary-line: 8-Dec The Shadows of the Night #Some humor at others expense. Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA01418; Tue, 8 Dec 98 23:29:26 EST Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14909; Tue, 8 Dec 98 23:29:23 EST Received: from pcian (user-37kb83i.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.160.114]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA12558; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:20:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981208232044.007a8c50@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 23:20:44 -0500 To: "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, mbahe@ci.aurora.co.us, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, elf@universe.digex.net, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Some humor at others expense. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 23:20:44 -0500 To: "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, mbahe@ci.aurora.co.us, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, elf@universe.digex.net, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Some humor at others expense. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Happy eating! -Ian NSTRUCTIONS FOR MICROSOFT'S NEW TV DINNER PRODUCT ================================================== You must first remove the plastic cover. By doing so you agree to accept and honor Microsoft rights to all TV dinners. You may not give anyone else a bite of your dinner (which would constitute an infringement of Microsoft's rights). You may, however, let others smell and look at your dinner and you are encouraged to tell them how good it is. If you have a PC microwave oven, insert the dinner into the oven. Set the oven using these keystrokes: \mstv.dinn.//08.5min@@50%heat// Then enter: ms//start.cook_dindin/yummy\|/yum~yum:-)gohot#cookme. If you have a Mac oven, insert the dinner and press start. The oven will set itself and cook the dinner. If you have a Unix oven, insert the dinner, enter the ingredients of the dinner (found on the package label), the weight of the dinner, and the desired level of cooking and press start. The oven will calculate the time and heat and cook the dinner exactly to your specification. Be forewarned that Microsoft dinners may crash, in which case your oven must be restarted. This is a simple procedure. Remove the dinner from the oven and enter: ms.nodamn.good/tryagain\again/again.crap. This process may have to be repeated. Try unplugging the microwave and then doing a cold reboot. If this doesn't work, contact your hardware vendor. Many users have reported that the dinner tray is far too big, larger than the dinner itself, having many useless compartments, most of which are empty. These are for future menu items. If the tray is too large to fit in your oven you will need to upgrade your equipment. Dinners are only available from registered outlets, and only the chicken variety is currently produced. If you want another variety, call Microsoft Help and they will explain that you really don't want another variety. Microsoft Chicken is all you really need. Microsoft has disclosed plans to discontinue all smaller versions of their chicken dinners. Future releases will only be in the larger family size. Excess chicken may be stored for future use, but must be saved only in Microsoft approved packaging. Microsoft promises a dessert with every dinner after '99. However, that version has yet to be released. Users have permission to get thrilled in advance. Microsoft dinners may be incompatible with other dinners in the freezer, causing your freezer to self-defrost. This is a feature, not a bug. Your freezer probably should have been defrosted anyway.  1,, Summary-line: 10-Dec The Shadows of the Night #Is Santa a Sysadmin? Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27480; Thu, 10 Dec 98 19:25:51 EST Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25019; Thu, 10 Dec 98 19:25:48 EST Received: from pcian (user-37kba42.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.168.130]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01562; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:55:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981210185049.007a3de0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:50:49 -0500 To: "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, jenigough@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, opus@MIT.EDU, lynxie@netkonnect.net, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, elf@universe.digex.net, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Is Santa a Sysadmin? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:50:49 -0500 To: "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, jenigough@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, opus@MIT.EDU, lynxie@netkonnect.net, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, elf@universe.digex.net, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Is Santa a Sysadmin? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Scary! :) But then, we knew he had a job the rest of the year. -Ian Similarities between Santa Claus and system administrators. Consider: 1. Santa is bearded, corpulent, and dresses funny. 2. When you ask Santa for something, the odds of receiving what you wanted are infinitesimal. 3. Santa seldom answers your mail. 4. When you ask Santa where he gets all the stuff he's got, he says, "Elves make it for me." 5. Santa doesn't care about your deadlines. 6. Your parents ascribed supernatural powers to Santa, but did all the work themselves. 7. Nobody knows who Santa has to answer to for his actions. 8. Santa laughs entirely too much. 9. Santa thinks nothing of breaking into your $HOME. 10. Only a lunatic says bad things about Santa in his presence. 11. Santa decides who gets toys based on who has been nice. (to him) --- "Don't be afraid to be weak. Don't be too proud to be strong." Engima Return to Innocence  1,, Summary-line: 11-Dec Marc Horowitz #HAVi (Grundig, Hitachi, Matsushita, Philips, Sharp, Sony, Thomson, Toshiba) Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA14320; Fri, 11 Dec 98 12:07:24 EST Received: from rover.cygnus.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26211; Fri, 11 Dec 98 12:07:17 EST Received: (from marc@localhost) by rover.cygnus.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id MAA11137; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:07:13 -0500 (EST) Sender: marc@cygnus.com From: Marc Horowitz To: tech-toys@MIT.EDU Subject: HAVi (Grundig, Hitachi, Matsushita, Philips, Sharp, Sony, Thomson, Toshiba) Date: 11 Dec 1998 12:07:13 -0500 Message-Id: Lines: 120 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 *** EOOH *** Sender: marc@cygnus.com From: Marc Horowitz To: tech-toys@MIT.EDU Subject: HAVi (Grundig, Hitachi, Matsushita, Philips, Sharp, Sony, Thomson, Toshiba) Date: 11 Dec 1998 12:07:13 -0500 Lines: 120 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 http://www.panasonic.co.jp/corp/HII/en980514-1/en980514-1.html Eight Consumer Electronics Companies Release Home Audio/Video Interoperability (HAVi) Core Specification for Networking Digital AV Appliances (May 14, 1998) GRUNDIG A.G., Hitachi, Ltd., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. (Panasonic), Royal Philips Electronics N.V., Sharp Corporation, Sony Corporation, Thomson Multimedia S.A. and Toshiba Corporation today announced that a core home networks specification for AV electronics appliances has been compiled for release to interested companies. The 8 companies plan to actively promote the HAVi (Home Audio-Video interoperability) core specification as a home network standard for the AV electronics and multimedia industries. The remarkable growth of the digital AV market in recent years has made it apparent that the time will come when users will find it necessary to be able to connect their digital AV appliances to create home entertainment networks. For different brands of AV electronics appliances to be interconnected and interoperated, each appliance must incorporate middleware that contains certain software elements common to all appliances on the network. The core open home network specification defines these elements, their roles, and their functions. In addition, it ensures that the software elements of different appliances will work together. Home networks comprised of AV appliances which incorporate the core open home network specification will provide users with the convenience of the following: A) Plug-and-Play Connectivity Users will be able to create a home network simply by connecting various electronics appliances through their digital interfaces, such as the IEEE1394. If a user wants to add a new appliance to or remove an appliance from the network, he or she can do so without adjusting any settings because the appliances would be able to communicate, recognize changes in the network configuration, and automatically make adjustments to the network settings without interrupting the functioning of the network. B) Appliance Interoperability Not only would users be able to interconnect and interoperate AV electronics appliances based on this specification, but in the future it will also be possible for appliances on the network to share functionality. This means that any one appliance could make use of the functions and capabilities of the many different appliances connected to the network. C) Future-proof Appliances Once appropriate applications software is developed, electronics appliances incorporating these specifications will be able to share functionality. This means that consumers will be able to import functions from newly purchased appliances into appliances purchased earlier as long as both appliances incorporate the HAVi specification. The main software elements included in the core specification are described below. (For a more detailed explanation of these elements, please see the attached page.) 1394 Communications Media Manager (CMM) - acts as an interface between the other software elements and the IEEE1394. Event Manager (EM) - informs the various software elements of events in the network such as the changes in the network configuration that occur when appliances are added or removed from the network. Registry - maintains information about the appliances connected to the network and the functions they offer. Applications can obtain this information from the registry. Messaging System (MS) - serves as an API (Application Programming Interface) that facilitates communication between the software elements of the various appliances on the network. Device Control Module (DCM) - represents an appliance on the network. Applications programs can interact directly with a DCM. This shields them from the idiosyncrasies of each individual appliance. DCM Manager - Installs the DCMs. It automatically reacts to changes in the network by installing new DCMs for new appliances Data Driven Interaction (DDI) Controller - renders a GUI (Graphical User Interface) on a appliance's display on behalf of a HAVi software element. It supports a wide range of displays, varying from graphical to text-only. Stream Manager (SMGR) - creates connections and routes real-time AV streams between two or more appliances on the network. Grundig, Hitachi, Matsushita, Philips, Sharp, Sony, Thomson and Toshiba plan to promote the HAVi core specification broadly as an open standard not only for the AV electronics industry, but for the entire multimedia industry as well. The HAVi core specification is available at the following web-sites for evaluation purposes only. http://www.hitachi.co.jp/Prod/HAVi/ http://www.panasonic.co.jp/corp/HII/AV-IOP.html http://www.sv.philips.com/news/press http://www.sharp.co.jp/sc/gaiyou/news/980514.htm http://www.sony.co.jp/HAVi/ http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/1998_05/index_j.htm The release of the HAVi core specification does not convey an implied or express license to make or distribute any product under any patent right, copyright or any other intellectual property right protecting any part of the HAVi core specification. Details regarding the licensing of the HAVi core specification or any update thereof will be made available in early October 1998.  1,, Summary-line: 14-Dec Cynthia J. Mallion #Axton Landing - December Status Report Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA20898; Mon, 14 Dec 98 10:06:16 EST Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15990; Mon, 14 Dec 98 10:06:17 EST Received: from SFT#u#PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:08:30 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:08:12 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, gumbrew@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, jenigough@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: Axton Landing - December Status Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:08:12 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, gumbrew@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, jenigough@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: Axton Landing - December Status Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi hi hi! Well, it's Dec. 14, which is close enough to mid-month for a Status Report = (okay, Tuesday's gonna be busy...)... Here's the address and phone, the = only time you get it, so zip it into your Palm Pilot now...! Bj Bagaria/CJ= Mallion (will be Silverdragon after 6/30) 7401 Axton St., Springfield VA, 22151 (703) 941-4510. And remember, I'm = not actually there until after the wedding... just all my stuff is... 1. For those of you who remember all those boxes in the Landing garage... = BJ's car (you remember, the HUGE Lincoln town car) is in there now. Yep, = over 2/3 of the boxes are in the house, and 3/4 of those are unpacked. We = actually have PLACES for most of the stuff!! The idea is to have = everything unpacked/out of boxes/ start putting things in the attic by = this weekend.... Oh, and we've got Actual Chairs in the front parlor, = thanks to Bj's folks. We're still building the Book Piano... 2. I'm *yay* doing contract art again... Jenni has a Friend with an Ark = (more later, once said friend holds the copyright..)... And, of course, = I've got about fifteen zillion ideas for pix for Evecon, two or three of = which may actually make it onto paper in time to sell.. (ie, I'll be = coloring them at 11:59 on Saturday, as per usual...) Are any folks from = out of town (out of Metro DC) coming in for Evecon this year? Who's in = for Xmas? 3. I found all the DragonHeart patterns! Woooo! Suddenly, it's much = much easier to remember what all the blasted windows are supposed to look = like (now, if I can just find my drawing board...). The glass will be In = Studio by the end of the week (or Wednesday, whichever comes first... = HUSH, Jed!!)... =20 4. *sniff* *sniff* the Broncos lost. *sniff* (But they've still got the = best record in the NFL, so there!!) The SuperBowl Victory Party is still = at the Landing on the appropriate Sunday... (complete with Rubber Brick to = hurl at TV!!) 5. Beth (my boss) just made Partner last week, yay! This really doesn't = affect anything, except her office will be over near where I sit now. So = she can holler out the door to me like all the other partners do... and = her son, Noah, is doing well. Had his first shots on Friday, so was kinda = cranky, but in all, one of the babies I can tolerate being around. (That = makes Two, with Nicki) 6. I'm finding the COOLEST stuff as I clean out my parent's house = (including a few boxes in the new house that weren't supposed to come = over... they were *clearly* not supposed to be in with my stuff, but they = were... hm.... ) Does anyone remember the *original* Star Wars roleplaying= game? (Anyone wanna buy a first edition?)... my quarterstaff resurfaced = (not the Staff of Law, the other one)... There's still hope for the = chainmail bikini, then...! And we've got a "mini-stair"(tm) from = stairmaster for those of you joining the home gym... and let's not forget = the neat sculptures I keep finding that I forgot I had...! 7. Happy holidays! Now, if I can just find my address book, maybe = everyone will get Cards.... (sigh....)! Te *bounce bounce bounce*  1,, Summary-line: 14-Dec The Shadows of the Night #Jargon of the Day Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22593; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:15:16 EST Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26958; Mon, 14 Dec 98 18:15:10 EST Received: from pcian (user-37kbade.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.169.174]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA15014; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:59:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981214175949.007ad930@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:59:49 -0500 To: "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, gumbrew@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, jenigough@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Jargon of the Day In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:59:49 -0500 To: "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, gumbrew@aol.com, LMi3555473@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, jenigough@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Jargon of the Day In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone that doesn't get the ohnosecond, ask a Unix user. :) I don't know about you folks, but I am ready for spring. :) -Ian Emailed to me from another humor list (Humor Digest) -Tom Submitted there by Bill Stebbins (bs16@cornell.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------ ALPHA GEEK - The most knowledgeable, technically proficient person in an office or work group. "Ask Larry, he's the alpha geek around here." BEEPILEPSY - The brief seizure people sometimes have when their beeper goes off (especially in vibrator mode). Characterized by physical spasms, goofy facial expressions, and interruption of speech in mid-sentence. CHIPS AND SALSA - Chips = hardware, salsa = software. "Well, first we gotta figure out if the problem's in your chips or your salsa." CRAPPLET - A badly written or profoundly useless Java applet. "I just wasted 30 minutes downloading this stinkin' crapplet!" DANCING BALONEY - Little animated GIFs and other Web F/X that are useless and serve simply to impress clients. "This page is kinda dull. Maybe a little dancing baloney will help." DEPOTPHOBIA - Fear associated with entering a Home Depot because of how much money one might spend. Electronics geeks experience Shackophobia. FLIGHT RISK - Used to describe employees who are suspected of planning to leave a company or department soon. 404 - Someone who's clueless. From the World Wide Web error message "404 Not Found," meaning that the requested document could not be located. "Don't bother asking him. . . he's 404." GENERICA - Features of the American landscape that are exactly the same no matter where one is. "We were so lost in generica, I actually forgot what city we were in." IRRITAINMENT - Entertainment and media spectacles that are annoying, but you find yourself unable to stop watching them. The O.J. trial was a prime example. KEYBOARD PLAQUE - The disgusting buildup of dirt and crud found on computer keyboards. OHNOSECOND - That minuscule fraction of time in which you realize that you've just made a BIG mistake. Seen in Elizabeth P. Crowe's book The Electronic Traveller. (Like when you type rm -Rf *, and realize you are in /, and not in the directory you thought you were in.) PEBCAK - Tech support shorthand for "Problem Exists Between Chair and Keyboard." (Techies are a frustrated, often arrogant lot. They've submitted numerous acronyms and terms that poke fun at the clueless users who call them up with frighteningly stupid questions. Another variation on the above is ID10T: "This guy has an ID-Ten-T on his system.") PERCUSSIVE MAINTENANCE - The fine art of whacking an electronic device to get it to work again. PRAIRIE DOGGING - When someone yells or drops something loudly in a "cube farm" (an office full of cubicles) and everyone's heads pop up over the walls to see what's going on. SQUARE-HEADED GIRLFRIEND - Another word for a computer. The victim of a square-headed girlfriend is a "computer widow." TELEPHONE NUMBER SALARY - A salary (or project budget) that has seven digits. TOURISTS - People who take training classes just to get a vacation from their jobs. "We had about three serious students in the class; the rest were tourists." UMFRIEND - A relationship of dubious standing. "This is Dale, my ... um ... friend ..." UNINSTALLED - Euphemism for being fired. Heard on the voicemail of a vice president at a downsizing computer firm: "You have reached the number of an uninstalled vice president. Please dial our main number and ask the operator for assistance." See also Decruitment. VULCAN NERVE PINCH - The taxing hand position required to reach all of the appropriate keys to initiate certain computer commands. For instance, the warm boot for a Mac II involves simultaneously pressing the Control key, the Command key, the Return key and the Power On key. YUPPIE FOOD STAMPS - The ubiquitous $20 bills spewed out of ATMs everywhere. Often used when trying to split the bill after a meal: "We all owe $8 each, but all anybody's got is yuppie food stamps." _ _____________________________________ _ / )| Thomas S. Ellsworth |( \ / / | tellswor@slonet.org | \ \ _( (_ | http://www.slonet.org/~tellswor | _) )_ (((\ \>|_/ )_____________________________( \_| Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: exexpats@ozemail.com.au Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Paul McShane To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: FF2-3: Advertising Slogans Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:26:15 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: exexpats@ozemail.com.au Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Paul McShane To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: FF2-3: Advertising Slogans Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) In earlier postings on this subject, Sharon Brindle and Jim Krainin both posted advertisements for Viagra. To show that bad taste is not limited to the northern hemisphere (just in case anyone had any doubts on the subject), I have been plumbing the depths of the canon to extract suitable quotations from the other operas in order to compile a complete selection. A warning though - you should consider electing not to read on any further, as some of the lines may never be the same again. TRIAL (Jim's quote): Be firm, be firm, my pecker... SORCERER: What is this fairy form I see before me? PINAFORE: I polished up the handle of the big front door. PIRATES: ...rises from indenture freed..... PATIENCE: And how you've grown! And how you've improved! IOLANTHE: ..inflates me with legitimate pride. PRINCESS IDA: Try our grosser clay, and mould it as you will. MIKADO (Sharon's quote): That is a tremendous swell. RUDDIGORE (before): ..lo, it is hard to bring him to the point. But soft,... RUDDIGORE (after): tall and strong as a to'-gall'n'-m'st - taut as a forestay. YEOMEN: Why, how you've grown! I did not recognise you! GONDOLIERS: ...grew like asparagus in May. UTOPIA: Stupendous when we rouse ourselves. GRNAD DUKE: Our offended gorges rise. -- Paul McShane "Steps into the world once more"  1,, Summary-line: 15-Dec Milo Morris #Re: Qwestion for G&S pianists. Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10786; Tue, 15 Dec 98 21:11:47 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21810; Tue, 15 Dec 98 21:11:48 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id VAA07761; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:11:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:11:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <19981216020547.24044.qmail@hotmail.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: milomorris@hotmail.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Milo Morris" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Qwestion for G&S pianists. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:11:41 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: milomorris@hotmail.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Milo Morris" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Qwestion for G&S pianists. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum >Can somebody please give me a hint of how to play, on the piano, the intro >to 'Oh is there not one maiden breast'. > >The treble and bass clefs 'on their own' are no problem whatsoever, but >playing them both 'at the same time' is quite another thing for me. I have >never been able to play that bass triplet at the same time as the treble >quavers without either turning the two treble quavers a triplet phrase, or >completely throwing myself by trying to turn the triplet phrase into three >quavers which then spill over into the next bar. > >I have tried many times and failed. This opposing rhythm also occurs in >other non-G & S piano pieces (most notable to me in Beethoven's Pathetique >sonata) and it throws me then too. > >What is the secret of being able to play these two different rhythms at the >same time? The answer can be found mathematically. The lowest common denominator between 2 and 3 is 6. So if you can imagine two pulses for each note in the triplet figure (6 pulses in all), the first note in the duple figure falls on the first pulse and the second note falls on the fourth pulse. Another way to hear it is to remember that the second note of the duple figure falls exacly half way between the 2 and the 3 of the triplet figure. Math aside, one really has to learn to "feel" the relationship of two against three. I would recommed getting off the keyboard and practice beating it out with your hand on a table top. Maybe start with the right hand beating a triple and then let the left come in with the duple. When you get it right, it sounds like "Hark, how the bells, Sweet silver bells..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  1,, Summary-line: 16-Dec Scott Gagnon #RE: mornin'... Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03051; Wed, 16 Dec 98 11:47:25 EST Received: from hup.harvard.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA09173; Wed, 16 Dec 98 11:47:29 EST Received: (from scott@localhost) by hup.harvard.edu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id LAA34866; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:48:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:48:15 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Gagnon To: "Allen, Amy" Cc: "'Rebecca A. Consentino'" , "'opus@Mit.edu'" Subject: RE: mornin'... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:48:15 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Gagnon To: "Allen, Amy" Cc: "'Rebecca A. Consentino'" , "'opus@Mit.edu'" Subject: RE: mornin'... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ypou know you have reached the deepest sanctum of fondness from Scott if you *get him to order or eat something he never has *convince him to accept a compliment *pick out new clothes for him and find them on him *are allowed to physically touch him in public *are among those to whom he has confessed any of said disorder. (So there, esp w. the last one, if y'all wonder if Scottie loves ya.) On the other hand, know that there are a handful of people, many of them random, male and female, and it's not a sexual or romantic thing, I dunno, just a certain trustworthyness or warmth or something, that they immediately can get away with these things. It's happened with people about 9 or 10 times in 30 years. And of course Jen has the key to the whole weird Scott trust inner sanctum, if you will. On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Allen, Amy wrote: > Some of my favorite Scott rituals: > > His "nervous pacing" when he talks to people he doesn't know very well or if > he's around pretty girls I pace around pretty girls? Since when? Name one example. > The way he orders the same thing at every restaurant he goes to, and Jen can > order for him if he's gonna be late for some reason Lunch w/becca yesterday: Chinese- Chix Fingers, Spare Ribs, Plain White Rice. > His 1-2 lunch everyday at Au Bon Pain with the pigeons At least the birds always know where to find me. > His 15 minute break at exactly 11am every day And at 3:30. > His eyebrow face that he makes when he doesn't know what else to say > The "finger in the air" pose when he thinks he's about to say something > clever > > d':-/ > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rebecca A. Consentino [SMTP:rac@bu.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 11:16 AM > > To: Allen, Amy > > Cc: 'Scott Gagnon'; 'opus@Mit.edu' > > Subject: RE: mornin'... > > > > Scott is so into ritual that I wonder if he isn't actually an INFJ instead > > of an INFP...I wonder if he's been reading that book I loaned him? And > > what Jen is? hmmmm. > > > > Anyway, I can confirm from past exper. that when you have a job that > > allows you 15 minute and hour-long breaks, taking them at specific times > > makes the day go by a lot faster. Or at least I've always thought so. And > > the later, the better, because then you have less time after lunch to wait > > to go home. > > > > That's becca's work philosophy. It's all about the breaks. > > > > :o) becca > > > > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Allen, Amy wrote: > > > > > Scott is so into ritual, isn't he? You could set your watch by his > > breaks > > > and lunch hours....much unlike Opus, who rolls in when he wants to and > > eats > > > when the mood strikes him...must be nice!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Scott Gagnon [SMTP:scott@hup.harvard.edu] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:59 AM > > > > To: Allen, Amy > > > > Cc: 'rac@bu.edu' > > > > Subject: RE: mornin'... > > > > > > > > > > > > Off for 15 min break. Back soon... > > > > d:-I > > > >  1,, Summary-line: 16-Dec Mendes, Rica #FW: Fwd[2]: The National Science Foundation Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26395; Wed, 16 Dec 98 18:57:05 EST Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03273; Wed, 16 Dec 98 18:57:08 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0zqQo9-0001JK-00; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:56:45 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:56:40 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "'Adina @ Work'" , 'Amy Allen' , "'CarolCCMag@aol.com'" , 'Daddy' , 'Dan J' , 'David Craven' , 'David J' , 'Dianne James' , 'Eitan' , 'Elizabeth Evans & Peter Emery' , 'Everett Doner' , 'Irv Hodgkin' , 'Janice Dallas' , 'Gwyn Aubrey' , 'Fran' , 'Jen Graham' , 'Karen Potasnik' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'kravetz' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'Leta Hall' , 'Lisa Blocher' , 'Marc Shepherd' , 'Mitch Scott Gilett' , 'moshe' , 'NEFF' , 'Paul' , "'Phil @ Home'" , 'Rebecca C' , 'rice' , 'sam silvers' , 'Scott Hale' , 'sinasohn' , 'snyder' , 'stevemartin' , 'sooz' Subject: FW: Fwd[2]: The National Science Foundation Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:56:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "'Adina @ Work'" , 'Amy Allen' , "'CarolCCMag@aol.com'" , 'Daddy' , 'Dan J' , 'David Craven' , 'David J' , 'Dianne James' , 'Eitan' , 'Elizabeth Evans & Peter Emery' , 'Everett Doner' , 'Irv Hodgkin' , 'Janice Dallas' , 'Gwyn Aubrey' , 'Fran' , 'Jen Graham' , 'Karen Potasnik' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'kravetz' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'Leta Hall' , 'Lisa Blocher' , 'Marc Shepherd' , 'Mitch Scott Gilett' , 'moshe' , 'NEFF' , 'Paul' , "'Phil @ Home'" , 'Rebecca C' , 'rice' , 'sam silvers' , 'Scott Hale' , 'sinasohn' , 'snyder' , 'stevemartin' , 'sooz' Subject: FW: Fwd[2]: The National Science Foundation Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:56:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products > >> The National Science Foundation announced the following study > >>results > >> on corporate America recreation preferences: > >> 1. Sport of choice for maintenance level employees: bowling. > >> 2. Sport of choice for front line workers: football. > >> 3. Sport of choice for supervisors: baseball. > >> 4. Sport of choice for middle management: tennis. > >> 5. Sport of choice for corporate officers: golf. > >> CONCLUSION: > >> The higher you are in the corporate structure, the smaller your > >>balls. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Rica Mendes-Barry] You must follow the rules on this exactly, otherwise it won't work. It's really scary how this works out. NO CHEATING!!!! First, get a pen and paper. Second, write the numbers one through six. Next to number one, write any number... Next to number two, write the name of anyone to which you are really attracted... Next to three, write down the first color you can think of... Next to number four, write the name of your first pet.... Next to number five and six write down the name of a family member... Remember...no cheating..... Keep scrolling down........ Don't cheat, or you'll be upset....... here's the answers: The number next to number one show how many times you should be smashed over the head with a baseball bat for thinking that stupid e-mails like this actually mean anything.... The person named next to number two is someone who will never sleep with you because you're stupid enough to waste your time on something like this.... The color you picked means nothing. It's a friggin' color for Christsake... Number four gives you the name of a dead animal.... Numbers five and six represent family members who are embarrased to be related to you..... Pass this on to everyone you know, so they can feel like a schmuck too.  1,, Summary-line: 17-Dec Jedlinsky Jaroslav #greetings Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06110; Thu, 17 Dec 98 02:51:46 EST Received: from ns.felk.cvut.cz by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18955; Thu, 17 Dec 98 02:51:39 EST Received: from cs.felk.cvut.cz (cs.felk.cvut.cz [147.32.80.1]) by ns.felk.cvut.cz (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA96580 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:51:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from cs.felk.cvut.cz by cs.felk.cvut.cz (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:51:36 MET_DST Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:51:35 +0100 From: Jedlinsky Jaroslav To: "Jedlinsky David C." Subject: greetings Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:51:35 +0100 From: Jedlinsky Jaroslav To: "Jedlinsky David C." Subject: greetings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello have a nice christmas time and happy next year for you and your family Jaroslav Jedlinsky ****************************************************** KOVOSROT, member of Ustaf group ****************************************************** Jaroslav Jedlinsky Czech Technical University in Prague Faculty of Electrical Engeneering e-mail: xjedlins@cs.felk.cvut.cz xjedlins@fel.cvut.cz *** have a nice day ***  1,, Summary-line: 17-Dec weems@boris.ship.saic.com #New email for Molly Weems Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA01948; Thu, 17 Dec 98 10:10:56 EST Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA04711; Thu, 17 Dec 98 10:10:54 EST Received: from portal.west.saic.com (portal.west.saic.com [198.151.12.15]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA29148 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:09:18 -0500 (EST) From: weems@boris.ship.saic.com Received: from boris.ship.saic.com by portal.west.saic.com via smtpd (for martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.1.20]) with SMTP; 17 Dec 1998 15:09:02 UT Received: from localhost (weems@localhost) by boris.ship.saic.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA16837 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:08:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:08:35 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Erols account at home To: lsc-alums@martigny.ai.mit.edu Subject: New email for Molly Weems Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** From: weems@boris.ship.saic.com Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:08:35 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Erols account at home To: lsc-alums@martigny.ai.mit.edu Subject: New email for Molly Weems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks in part to a more powerful home machine and the meltdown of one of the office servers, my email at home is more reliable. Therefore, please change my email address to mweems@erols.com This will replace weems@moe.ship.saic.com and weems@ship.saic.com. Ken's address stays the same. Thanks! -- Molly Weems (formerly MHC, now MHCW) ^^^^^ looking forward to seeing lots of you at New Years gathering  1,, Summary-line: 20-Dec Bruce I. Miller #Re: A (corrupted) American Trial by Jury Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05161; Sun, 20 Dec 98 13:23:02 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20779; Sun, 20 Dec 98 13:22:58 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA10387; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:22:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:22:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: BMILLER@holycross.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bruce I. Miller" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: A (corrupted) American Trial by Jury Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:22:54 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: BMILLER@holycross.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bruce I. Miller" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: A (corrupted) American Trial by Jury Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 >Do we have, perchance, an updated Washingtonian >version of Trial by Jury on the horizon? We most certainly do. *** A MODERN, CORRUPTED TRIAL BY JURY *** TIME: January 6, 1999 Hark, the hour of ten is sounding; Hearts with anxious fears are bounding, Senators their aides are hounding, Breathing hope and fear - For to-day in this arena, Summoned by a House subpeona, William, our disgraced hyena, Shortly must appear. Enter USHER (James Carville) Now, Jurypeople, lend your ears - All kinds of vicious, ugly smears I pray you set aside - With stern Judicial frame of mind And reconciliation kind Impeachment must be tried! Oh, listen to House Chairman Hyde Who, by the way, has never shied From trysts, as we've implied; What HE may say you needn't mind - With reconciliation kind Impeachment must be tried! And when our foes are demonized - The Congressmen are victimized By slash-and-burn campaigns, Forget our leader's moral stains - With reconciliation kind Impeachment must be tried! (CUT TO THE CHASE) THE RECONCILIATION ENSEMBLE HILLARY: I'll use him - I'll use him - with fervour unceasing, I'll worship and madly adore; My blind adoration is ever increasing, Despite William's deeds with his whore. Oh, see how I'm changing, my focus arranging To spin this debacle some more; I'll call for reflection, but as to invection, It's fine - just remember, it's war! WILLIAM: I parse like a lawyer, I've never conceded I lied - only "wrong" has been found; It's everyone else who's dissembled, impeded And dragged this debate to the ground. My oath notwithstanding, you're misunderstanding - A slap on the wrist's all I need! Recall my professing when you are assessing The ending which will be decreed! SENATORS: We would be fairly acting, But this is most distracting! If, when he's spinning, truth isn't winning, That is an abatement. Modestly submitted, Bruce I. Miller bmiller@holycross.edu  1, answered,, Summary-line: 21-Dec Scott Gagnon #Re: Choose your own... Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18547; Mon, 21 Dec 98 10:53:57 EST Received: from hup.harvard.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13417; Mon, 21 Dec 98 10:53:58 EST Received: (from scott@localhost) by hup.harvard.edu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id KAA48104; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:54:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:54:51 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Gagnon To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: rac@bu.edu, aallen@welchs.com Subject: Re: Choose your own... In-Reply-To: <199812211550.KAA29899@charon.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:54:51 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Gagnon To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: rac@bu.edu, aallen@welchs.com Subject: Re: Choose your own... In-Reply-To: <199812211550.KAA29899@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII BTW, as I noticed on an earlier e mail, Opus-- If there are still copies of Ruddigore florating around, count me in as somebody who still nedds to get one 'afore they're all gone. d:-) Oh, and also (as it turns out, also primarily directed at Opus...) I bel;ieve I may have found the coolest WDW site yet. It's http://homepages.force9.net/disney/index1.htm and it's pretty darned nifty, esp if you have all the doodads I don't have to see sound and video. d:-)  1,, Summary-line: 29-Dec Cynthia J. Mallion #Funlinks!! Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09253; Tue, 29 Dec 98 09:32:29 EST Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA08153; Tue, 29 Dec 98 09:32:19 EST Received: from SFT#u#PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:33:50 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:33:22 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: Funlinks!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:33:22 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, brianhirsch@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: Funlinks!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline After wending my way thru Deb's Link Hell (oooh! Omaha!!), I found this, = and the piece that spawned it. It seems to apply a lot in this group......= PS, it's really really quiet out there! Where is everybody? Te http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~masterma/GuideToGeekGirls.html http://college.antioch.edu/~totally/geek.html  1,, Summary-line: 4-Jan Dr. Clive Woods #QWERTYUIOP at Nicktenor's Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21168; Mon, 4 Jan 99 07:07:03 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25686; Mon, 4 Jan 99 07:06:58 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id HAA05289; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:06:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:06:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <287D8601688@ridingwood.shef.ac.uk> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: C.Woods@sheffield.ac.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Dr. Clive Woods" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: QWERTYUIOP at Nicktenor's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:06:15 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: C.Woods@sheffield.ac.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Dr. Clive Woods" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: QWERTYUIOP at Nicktenor's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:59:48 -0500 (EST) From: Helga Perry >>When are US S'netters going to have one of these events? )-: >The next time Nick has a 30th Birthday bash there, I suppose. Well, why not organise it? All you need is: 1. An average-sized room 2. A piano 3. An unlimited supply of drinks and nibbles* 4. A pianist able to play for upwards of around 8 - 10 hours continuously**, and also able to repair the piano as necessary. I can't help with nos. 1 - 3, but I hereby submit my tender for no. 4: I should be delighted, for a gross insult consisting of a return air-ticket. *Serious food may be takeaway/delivered variety, but home-made contributions have always been most welcome and highly appreciated by all. **This is not for the faint-hearted. At the most recent QWERTYUIOP we hacked through everything in Iolanthe, Mikado, Ruddigore, Yeomen, and Gondoliers virtually non-stop in one afternoon/evening, followed by TbJ and Act1 Finale of Pirates the following morning. Clive Woods _______________________________________________________________ From: Dr. R.C. Woods, Department of Electronic and Electrical Engineering, University of Sheffield, Mappin Street, Sheffield, S1 3JD, United Kingdom. Telephone: +44 (114) 22 25144; Fax: +44 (114) 2726 391. E-mail: c.woods@sheffield.ac.uk Visit my web page at this URL: http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/academic/D-H/eee/ssdm/members/rcw.html  1, forwarded,, Summary-line: 5-Jan Ken Raeburn #Under enough pressure, ravioli behaves as a gas. Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03230; Tue, 5 Jan 99 16:07:48 EST Received: from tweedledumb.cygnus.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03873; Tue, 5 Jan 99 16:07:50 EST Received: from cujo.cygnus.com (raeburn@cujo.cygnus.com [192.80.44.10]) by tweedledumb.cygnus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27066 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from raeburn@localhost) by cujo.cygnus.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA24298; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:07:47 -0500 To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Under enough pressure, ravioli behaves as a gas. From: Ken Raeburn Date: 05 Jan 1999 16:07:47 -0500 Message-Id: Lines: 165 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.27/Emacs 20.3 *** EOOH *** To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Under enough pressure, ravioli behaves as a gas. From: Ken Raeburn Date: 05 Jan 1999 16:07:47 -0500 Lines: 165 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.27/Emacs 20.3 Anybody wanna try an experiment? :-) ------- Start of forwarded message ------- From: jsm@cygnus.com (Jason Molenda) Newsgroups: cygnus.junk Subject: [/dev/null: Under enough pressure, ravioli behaves as a gas. [fwd]] Date: 4 Jan 1999 14:59:18 -0800 Organization: Cygnus Solutions news/mail gateway Message-ID: <19990104145910.E5977.cygnus.junk@cygnus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: junk@cygnus.com I don't think this has been on junk yet, although I'm sure many people have already seen it. ----- Start of forwarded message ----- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:05:00 -0500 (EST) From: Nev Dull Message-Id: <199812211805.NAA19621@abyssinian.sleepycat.com> To: nev@bostic.com (/dev/null) Subject: Under enough pressure, ravioli behaves as a gas. Forwarded-by: Lawrence Kesteloot Forwarded-by: Grue Forwarded-by: V for Vendetta > There was still one aspect of the whole concept of a ravioli-loaded > railgun type wepon which we, lolling about late on a weeknight, with > only a few neurons randomly firing, could not resolve. Would a chunk > of metal (can of ravioli) impacting another, larger, rest mass > structure (star destroyer) produce an "explosion" effect, or simply > punch an appropriately shaped hole as it passed through? Bill? What am I, the neighborhood blast physicist??? Well, maybe... :-) It all depends on speed of impact versus the speed of sound in the target (what is called the Mach number, where Mach 1 means the speed of sound, Mach 2 is twice the speed of sound, etc), and the speed of the ravioli versus the speed of light in the target (which I'll call the Cerenkov number, where Cerenkov 1 is the speed of light in anything; Cerenkov 1.3 is the speed of high-energy protons in a water-cooled reactor (that's why you get that nifty blue glow), and you can get up to Cerenkov 2.4 using diamonds and nuclear accellerators. In the late 40's people used to talk about Cerenkov numbers, but they don't anymore. Pity.). Lastly, there's the ravioli velocity expressed as a fraction of the speed of light in a vacuum (that is, as a fraction of "c"). "C" velocities are always between 0 and 1. At low speeds (REAL low) the ravioli will simply flow over the surface, yielding a space-cruiser with a distinctly Italian paint job. Faster (still well below speed-of-sound in the target) the metal of the space-cruiser's skin will distort downward, making what we Boston drivers call a "small dent". Faster still, you may have a "big dent" or maybe even a "big dent with a hole in the middle", caused by the ravioli having enough energy to push the dent through, stretching and thinning the hull metal till the metal finally tears in the middle of the dent. Getting up past Mach 1 (say, 5000 feet/sec for steel), you start to get punch-a-hole-shaped-like-the-object effects, because the metal is being asked to move faster than the binding forces in the object can propagate the "HEY! MOVE!" information. (After all, sound is just the binding forces between atoms in a material moving the adjacent atoms -- and the speed of sound is how fast the message to "move" can propagate.) From this, we see that WileE Coyote often reached far-supersonic speeds because he often punched silhouette-type holes in rocks, cliffs, trucks, etc. Around Mach 4 or so, another phenomenon starts -- compressive heating. This is where the leading edge of the ravioli actually starts being heated by compression (remember PV=nRT, the ideal gas law?) Well, ravioli isn't a gas, but under enough pressure, ravioli behaves as a gas. It is compressed at the instant of impact and gets hot -- very hot. Likewise, the impact point on the hull is compressed and gets hot. Both turn to gasses -- real gasses, glowing-white-hot gasses. The gasses expand spherically, causing crater-like effects, including a raised rim and a basically parabolic shape. In the center of the crater, some material is vaporized, then there's a melt zone, then a larger "bent" zone, and the raised rim is caused because the gas expansion bubble center point (the bending force) is actually *inside* the hull plate. If the hull plate isn't thick enough, then the gas-expansion bubble pushes through to the other side, and you get a structural breach event (technically speaking, a "big hole") in the side of the space-cruiser. Compressive heating really hits the stride up around 20,000 feet/sec (Mach 4 in steel, Mach 15 in air) and continues as a major factor all the way up to the high fractional Cerenkov speeds, where nuclear forces begin to take effect. Aside: the "re-entry friction heating" that spacecraft endure when the reenter the atmosphere is NOT friction. It's really compressive heating of the air in the path. As long as the spacecraft is faster than Mach 1, the air can't know to get out of the way, so it bunches up in front of the spacecraft. When you squeeze any gas, it gets hot. So, the glowing "reentry gas" is really just squeezed air, which heats the spacecraft heat shield by conduction and infrared. The hypersonic ravioli can be expected to behave similarly. As we increase speed from the high Mach numbers (about 10 miles/sec) all the way up to about 150,000 miles/sec, not much different happens except that the amount of kinetic energy (which turns into compressive heat) increases. This is a huge range of velocity, but it's uninteresting velocity. At high fractional Cerenkov speeds, the ravioli is now beginning to travel at relativistic velocities. Among other things, this means that the ravioli is aging more slowly than usual, and the ravioli can looks compressed in the direction of travel. But that's really not important right now. As we pass Cerenkov 1.0 in the target, we get a new phenomenon -- Cerenkov radiation. This is that distinctive blue glow seen around water-cooled reactors. It's just (relatively) harmless light (harmless compared to the other blast effects, that is). I mention it only because it's so nifty... At around .9 c (Cerenkov 1.1) , the ravioli starts to perceptibly weigh more. It's just a relativistic mass increase -- all the additional weight is actually energy, available to do compressive heating upon impact. The extra weight is converted to heat energy according to the equation E=mc^2; it looks like compressive heating but it's not. [Here's where I'm a little hazy on the numbers; I'm at work and don't have time to rederive the Lorentz transformations.] At around .985 c (Cerenkov 1.2 or so), the ravioli now weighs twice what it used to weigh. For a one pound can, that's two pounds... or about sixty megatons of excess energy. All of it turns to heat on impact. Probably very little is left of the space-cruiser. At around .998 c, the impacting ravioli begins to behave less like ravioli and more like an extremely intense radiation beam. Protons in the water of the ravioli begin to successfully penetrate the nuclei of the hull metal. Thermonuclear interactions, such as hydrogen fusion, may take place in the tomato sauce. At around .9998 c, the ravioli radiation beam is still wimpy as far as nuclear accellerator energy is concerned, but because there is so much of it, we can expect a truly powerful blast of mixed radiation coming out of the impact site. Radiation, not mechanical blast, may become the largest hazard to any surviving crew members. At around .9999999 c, the ravioli radiation may begin to produce "interesting" nuclear particles and events (heavy, short-lived particles). At around .999999999999 c, the ravioli impact site may begin to resemble conditions in the original "big bang"; equilibrium between matter and energy; free pair production; antimatter and matter coexisting in equilibrium with a very intense gamma-ray flux, etc.[1] Past that, who knows? It may be possible to generate quantum black holes given a sufficiently high velocity can of ravioli. --Bill [1]According to physicist W. Murray, we may also expect raining frogs, plagues of locusts, cats and dogs living together, real Old Testament destruction. You get the idea... ----- End forwarded message ----- ------- End of forwarded message -------  1, answered,, Summary-line: 7-Jan Cynthia J. Mallion #Marriage as a Lifetime Sort of Thing Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03414; Thu, 7 Jan 99 15:44:02 EST Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19208; Thu, 7 Jan 99 15:42:39 EST Received: from SFT#u#PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:45:46 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:45:17 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu, marcia@alum.mit.edu, elf@andor.org, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, jenigough@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, natter@pressroom.com, mylady@purpleunicorn.com, webmaster@rencrafters.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: Marriage as a Lifetime Sort of Thing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:45:17 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu, marcia@alum.mit.edu, elf@andor.org, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, jenigough@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, natter@pressroom.com, mylady@purpleunicorn.com, webmaster@rencrafters.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: Marriage as a Lifetime Sort of Thing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline This came in from Louise, Brian's mom, and is a neat commentary (and = brief-but-true guide to Spouse Finding, and Why Taking Your Time is = Important)....=20 Note: Arnold Lazarus, PhD, is a distinguish psychologist who taught at = Princeton for many years and is a world-renowned and well-respected = cognitive therapist and author. He sent me [Louise] the following e-mail message -=20 Dear Selected Relatives and Friends: If you read NEWSWEEK you will be familiar with the column called MY TURN. = I have sent in 4 or 5 articles over the years but not one has been = published. I am 98% certain that they will not print my latest one = (submitted two days ago) which I am sending herewith. A GOOD MARRIAGE DOES NOT REQUIRE HARD WORK Arnold A. Lazarus =09 Marriage has often (incorrectly) been equated to a garden. = Planning and effort are needed to cultivate a beautiful garden -- = fertilize the soil, till the ground, plant the seeds, water regularly, = eliminate the weeds, prune and trim. Should a marriage be any different? = How can a couple stay happily married without sustained effort? Most = people, including many marriage counselors, believe that good marriages = demand vigilant exertion. They will say that we have to strive and keep = on striving to maintain any worthwhile or meaningful relationship. Many = people believe that it requires hard work for couples to stay on course. = This is untrue. Over the past 40 years I have seen innumerable couples in = premarital, marital and divorce counseling. The marriages that fell apart = were not those wherein the partners were too lazy to work at it. In most = cases, they were so unsuited to each other from the start that intensive = marital therapy could, at best, replace overt hostility with a tedious and enervating alliance. Marriages that fall apart unless the partners maintain it with persistent = thought and effort should probably never have taken place in the first = instance. A case history might clarify my thesis. A couple, let's call them Steve and Carol, both in their mid-twenti= es, had been married for two years. They had dated for over a year, but = their basic differences only surfaced on their honeymoon. Steve loved = sailing; boats made Carol seasick. Carol wanted to socialize with other = honeymooners; Steve wanted her company alone. He was a night person; she was a morning = person. Soon their catalog of differences escalated into major conflicts. = They both felt, hurt, angry and misunderstood by the other. Within a = year, their marriage had grown so stormy that the topic of "divorce" = loomed large. They both agreed on one thing -- their love for each other = had died. That's when they came for marriage counseling. The counseling sessions dwelled on constructive methods of = reaching specific agreements, avoiding hidden agendas, forming open = negotiations, resolving conflicts, and eveloping quid pro quo interactions = -- "I promise to go with you to the ballet (which I hate) if you will go = sailing with me (which you hate)." After eight counseling sessions Steve and Carol had topped = fighting. No harsh words passed between them. Steve stated: " We don't = argue any more, we debate. We compromise. We draw up contracts with each = other when differences arise." Carol added that they had become expert = and quintessential negotiators. At this juncture it appeared that = counseling had been a success. In place of blaming, judging, accusing, faultfinding, = demanding, and attacking, they now used praise, compliments, discussions, = and practiced good listening skills. Reciprocity had replaced coercion. = Carol commented plaintively, "But it's such hard work!" Steve nodded = affirmatively. Several weeks later Carol called. " It's no use," she = said. "We have traded in our noisy battles for hard labor. We have = stopped colliding but we haggle over every decision. We are still getting = along well, but the spark has gone. We have sex but we are not lovers. I = feel alone and lonely in this relationship." They decided to work towards = an amicable divorce. The decision to divorce seldom comes easily. Steve = and Carol sought additional guidance from their pastor. Eighteen months = later they obtained a "no fault" divorce, and both remarried within a year. A follow-up interview = indicated that both Steve and Carol had learned form their mistakes and = were married to partners with whom they saw eye-to-eye. Steve commented: = "I never have to use any of the stuff I learned in marriage counseling. = My wife and I just get along." Marriage counseling can make good marriages even better by = teaching coupleshow to enhance their listening skills and positive = communication styles. Through very hard work, it can often transform a bad = marriage into a livable truce. Conjugal joy cannot exist when couples = differ vis-a-vis child rearing (or the desire to have children), sexual = practices, money matters, people, food, recreation, politics, religion, and other basic values. If such = couples elect to stay together, perhaps for religious or financial = reasons, hard labor and active marriage counseling can probably make their = lives bearable. Anyone who is madly in love and is contemplating marriage = is best advised to peer through the haze of romantic ecstasy to determine = if their potential mate is really on their same wavelength. If you sense = potential problems but believe you can change the other person, you're in for a disappointment. = And one final point. Those who believe that dead love can be rekindled = are sadly mistaken. When love dies it remains dead. Trying to bring back = that which is dead is like giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a = cadaver. So think very carefully before you take the plunge and trust your gut reactions.  1,, Summary-line: 10-Jan The Shadows of the Night #Speaking of looking for a job.... Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15127; Sun, 10 Jan 99 23:23:39 EST Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11342; Sun, 10 Jan 99 23:23:28 EST Received: from pcian (user-37kb8as.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.161.92]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA21816; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:23:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990110232323.007ae330@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:23:23 -0500 To: "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, marcia@alum.mit.edu, elf@andor.org, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, jenigough@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, opus@MIT.EDU, natter@pressroom.com, mylady@purpleunicorn.com, webmaster@rencrafters.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Speaking of looking for a job.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:23:23 -0500 To: "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, marcia@alum.mit.edu, elf@andor.org, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, jenigough@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, opus@MIT.EDU, natter@pressroom.com, mylady@purpleunicorn.com, webmaster@rencrafters.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Speaking of looking for a job.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Some Translations, Ian COMPETITIVE SALARY" We remain competitive by paying less than our competitors. "JOIN OUR FAST-PACED TEAM" We have no time to train you. "CASUAL WORK ATMOSPHERE" We don't pay enough to expect that you'll dress up; well, a couple of the real daring guys wear earrings. "MUST BE DEADLINE ORIENTED" You'll be six months behind schedule on your first day. "SOME OVERTIME REQUIRED" Some time each night and some time each weekend. "DUTIES WILL VARY" Anyone in the office can boss you around. "MUST HAVE AN EYE FOR DETAIL" We have no quality control. "CAREER-MINDED" Female Applicants must be childless (and remain that way). "APPLY IN PERSON" If you're old, fat or ugly you'll be told the position has been filled. "NO PHONE CALLS PLEASE" We've filled the job; our call for resumes is just a legal formality. "SEEKING CANDIDATES WITH A WIDE VARIETY OF EXPERIENCE" You'll need it to replace three people who just left. "PROBLEM-SOLVING SKILLS A MUST" You're walking into a company in perpetual chaos. "REQUIRES TEAM LEADERSHIP SKILLS" You'll have the responsibilities of a manager, without the pay or respect. "GOOD COMMUNICATION SKILLS" Management communicates, you listen, figure out what they want and do it. Employee Lingo... "I'M EXTREMELY ADEPT AT ALL MANNER OF OFFICE ORGANIZATION:" I can make my own coffee. "I'M HONEST, HARD-WORKING AND DEPENDABLE" I only pilfer office supplies on overtime. "MY PERTINENT WORK EXPERIENCE INCLUDES" I hope you don't ask me about all the McJobs I've had. "I TAKE PRIDE IN MY WORK" I blame others for my mistakes. "I'M PERSONABLE" I give lots of unsolicited personal advice to co-workers. "I'M EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL" I carry a Day-Timer. "I AM ADAPTABLE" I've changed jobs a lot. "I AM ON THE GO" I'm never at my desk. "I'M HIGHLY MOTIVATED TO SUCCEED" The minute I find a better job, I'm outta there.  1, edited,, Summary-line: 11-Jan Allen, Amy #FW: Some of these are HILARIOUS!!! 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3D70.2DCFF52C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Some of these had me laughing out loud. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Hird [SMTP:shird@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 1999 10:26 AM > To: 'Debra.Hanggeli@digital.com'; 'aallen@welchs.com'; > 'wmkuhlman@aol.com' > Subject: FW: Some of these are HILARIOUS!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: When there is balance, He is awake [SMTP:kristy@mv.mv.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 20:17 > To: Netfriends distribution list; Kristin Arivella; celt@sprint.ca; > lewfoo@ma.ultranet.com; marvin@ugly.microserve.net; mike@iconnet.net; Dee > Bitner-Hubbard; wheels@wn.net; Humour distribution list; Dan Coutu; Iraj > Douraghi; enzjssr@nzsf00.epa.ericsson.se; Joann Barrows; Ken Stevens; > Melissa Gallagher; mrx@tiac.net; Pete McVay; rek@phcs.com; roger@acm.org; > seth.howes@tfn.com; Stephen Hird; Sue St. Marie; Funnies Distribution > List; Carem Atchison; golash@process.com; halet@process.com; > lentz@process.com; mehlhop@process.com; Glen Mosio; murtagh@process.com; > Mike Pignatiello; pile@process.com; schreiber@process.com; Kathy Zieman > Subject: Some of these are HILARIOUS!!! > > OK there a LOT of these but some are really worth it... > > 1. Well, this day was a total waste of makeup. > > 2. Make yourself at home! Clean my kitchen. > > 3. Who are these kids and why are they calling me Mom? > > 4. A hard-on doesn't count as personal growth. > > 5. Don't bother me. I'm living happily ever after. > > 6. Do I look like a freakin' people person? > > 7. This isn't an office. It's Hell with fluorescent lighting. > > 8. I started out with nothing & still have most of it left. > > 9. I pretend to work. They pretend to pay me. > > 10. I've found Jesus. He was behind the sofa the whole time. > > 11. If I throw a stick, will you leave? > > 12. You! Off my planet! > > 13. Therapy is expensive, poppin' bubble wrap is cheap! You choose. > > 14. Practice random acts of intelligence & senseless acts of > self-control. > > 15. Bottomless pit of needs & wants. > > 16. I like cats, too. Let's exchange recipes. > > 17. Friendly checkout clerk. Thanks for keeping me that way! > > 18. If I want to hear the pitter patter of little feet, I'll put shoes > on my > cat. > > 19. Does your train of thought have a caboose? > > 20. The Bible was written by the same people who said the Earth was > flat. > > 21. Did the aliens forget to remove your anal probe? > > 22. Errors have been made. Others will be blamed. > > 23. God was my co-pilot, but we crashed into the mountains and I had to > eat > him. > > 24. Let me show you how the guards used to do it. > > 25. And just how may I screw you over today? > > 26. And your crybaby whiny-assed opinion would be...? > > 27. I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 30 years. > > 28. If only you'd use your powers for good instead of evil... > > 29. See no evil, hear no evil, date no evil. > > 30. A PBS mind in an MTV world. > > 31. Yeah, right! Like I'm going to put that icky thing in my mouth. > > 32. Allow me to introduce my selves. > > 33. Sarcasm is just one more service we offer. > > 34. Whisper my favorite words: "I'll buy it for you." > > 35. Better living through denial. > > 36. Whatever kind of look you were going for, you missed. > > 37. Suburbia: where they tear out the trees & then name streets after > them. > > 38. Adult child of alien invaders. > > 39. Do they ever shut up on your planet? > > 40. I'm just working here till a good fast-food job opens up. > > 41. Are those your eyeballs? I found them in my cleavage. > > 42. I'm not your type. I'm not inflatable. > > 43. I'm trying to imagine you with a personality. > > 44. A cubicle is just a padded cell without a door. > > 45. Stress is when you wake up screaming & you realize you haven't > fallen > asleep yet. > > 46. Mall whore: I can suck the numbers right off your credit cards. > > 47. After I cook the vegetables, what do I do with the wheelchairs? > > 48. Here I am! Now what are your other two wishes? > > 49. Back off! You're standing in my aura. > > 50. I can't remember if I'm the good twin or the evil one. > > 51. Don't worry. I forgot your name, too! > > 52. Adults are just kids who owe money. > > 53. One of us is thinking about sex... OK, it's me. > > 54. How many times do I have to flush before you go away? > > 55. I have a computer, a vibrator, & pizza delivery. Why should I leave > the > house? > > 56. I just want revenge. Is that so wrong? > > 57. It's sick the way you people keep having sex without me. > > 58. I work 40 hours a week to be this poor. > > 59. You say I'm a bitch like it's a bad thing. > > 60. Can I trade this job for what's behind door #2? > > 61. Okay, okay, I take it back! UnScrew you! > > 62. Macho Law forbids me from admitting I'm wrong. > > 63. Nice perfume. Must you marinate in it? > > 64. Not all men are annoying. Some are dead. > > 65. Too may freaks, not enough circuses. > > 66. Chaos, panic, & disorder - my work here is done. > > 67. A woman's favorite position is CEO. > > 68. Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. > > 69. You look like shit. Is that the style now? > > 70. Everyone thinks I'm psychotic, except for my friends deep inside the > earth. > > 71. Earth is full. Go home. > > 72. Is it time for your medication or mine? > > 73. Does this condom make me look fat? > > 74. Did I mention the kick in the groin you'll be receiving if you touch > me? > > 75. I plead contemporary insanity. > > 76. And which dwarf are you? > > 77. I refuse to star in your psychodrama. > > 78. I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks. > > 79. How do I set a laser printer to stun? > > 80. It ain't the size, it's... no, it's the size. > > 81. Meandering to a different drummer. > > 82. I'm not tense, just terribly, terribly alert. > > 83. I majored in liberal arts. Will that be for here or to go? > > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > * Kristy Gleason I know it's easier, to walk * > * Nashua, NH away, than look it in the eye * > * aka Woobie "Surrounded" - Dream Theater * > * Email: kristy@mv.mv.com * > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >  1,, Summary-line: 12-Jan Cynthia J. Mallion #Re: Morning All Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10462; Tue, 12 Jan 99 09:19:55 EST Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26379; Tue, 12 Jan 99 09:20:02 EST Received: from SFT#u#PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:22:30 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:22:20 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu, marcia@alum.mit.edu, elf@andor.org, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, gumbrew@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, mbahe@ci.aurora.co.us, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, jenigough@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, webmaster@rencrafters.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Morning All Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:22:20 -0500 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: kwagner@aec.umd.edu, marcia@alum.mit.edu, elf@andor.org, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, gumbrew@aol.com, takayla@aol.com, mbahe@ci.aurora.co.us, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, jenigough@juno.com, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, elkor@mindspring.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, webmaster@rencrafters.com, krosenberg@rsis.com, DroutmanE@tce.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Morning All Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Re: the stock market... Once upon a time (oh, about four years ago) when the market was under = 4000, a 200 point jump in *any* direction Meant Something, and 500 points = was a disaster in the downwards direction. Now, we're gonna hit 10,000 soon. 200 points is within the realm of = normal daily fluctuation; 500 is still bad in the downward sense, but not = as... and, due to the new NYSE/AMEX saftey system, if the market slips 500 = points... trading is suspended. There are no further losses on the = American exchanges that day, and the foreign exchanges have all night to = react/counteract to the slide... which is enough time for things to = stabilize somewhat. So, effectively, the stock market is *much* safer than it used to be, = because the machinery (however much it's interfering in the "natural flow" = of things) is in place to prevent catastrophic losses. There won't be = another "Black Monday" like in 1987; the exchange will shut down first. = The massive one-day slide we had in mid-98 is as bad as it can be = now...=20 ... which means exactly what? 1. Avoid anything named "Emerging Markets" fund. Yes, the payoff is = spectacular if the fund does well... (It won't. Not until the Asian = markets settle down a *lot* more) 2. Have *some* funds in very-low-risk investments. This is the good ol' = US Savings Bonds sort of thing. Yep, it's true, if the US Government goes = down in flames, you'll have lost your very safe investment. But... = really... if the US Government goes down in flames, you're gonna have a = LOT more problems than what went wrong with your retirement fund. 3. Buy lots of fun prettyshiny toys. If you take good care of them, you = will have them into retirement. We, for example, have a really cool = really big TV. Once we hit the point of "it's breaking down twice a year" = we'll take it apart and learn to fix it ourselves, thereby making it = functionally immortal. 4. Don't retire. People who don't retire live much much longer; and your = mental acuity stays better if you keep taking classes and learning new = things... studies have shown that new moms retain information better than = people without kids, or with older kids... I think it's just the "when = your brain is in active learning mode, it stays there for a bit... and = having a New Person Completely Dependent On You is a bigtime learning = experience... 5. Go to DisneyWorld a lot. It's fun, and if you have fun spending your = money, and have lots of neat pictures to remember it, peanut butter = sandwiches taste better on the fifth straight day. Hm. This had started as fairly serious, but I'm clearly not gonna make = that today... WE HAVE A REALLY BIG TV!!! It's taller than many of our friends!!!! = Wheeeeee!!!!! SuperBowl XXXIII, January 31. We're *hoping* the dominant colors will be = blue, orange and white, but they still have to beat the Jets this = weekend... Te, getting nothing productive done....  1,, Summary-line: 12-Jan Anthony R. Green #Re: SAVOYNET digest 2540 Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08287; Tue, 12 Jan 99 16:16:24 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23034; Tue, 12 Jan 99 16:16:33 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA16642; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:13:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:13:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901121603_MC2-666A-F694@compuserve.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: anthonygreen@compuserve.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Anthony R. Green" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: SAVOYNET digest 2540 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:13:00 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: anthonygreen@compuserve.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Anthony R. Green" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: SAVOYNET digest 2540 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum >> I agree it's an impressive site, and a terrific resource. I find the consistent "Hammond Organ" voicing of the MIDIs quite disappointing, though. << I agree also. And there is a great little music notation and playing program, Noteworthy Composer available for free trial at www.ntworthy.com and all the scores for the hymns on this site download, almost instantaneously, as .nwc files. I found many ways of playing them, the "bright acoustic piano" sounded quite good, likewise the clarinet and there are some really weird ones too. Plus, it prints a very good looking score. I'd had the program for years but registered just today ($39) because of what it can do with Cyber Hymnal.  1, forwarded, answered,, Summary-line: 13-Jan SageFarm@aol.com #re: Concord Players Forum auditions Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA01473; Wed, 13 Jan 99 14:28:01 EST Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00947; Wed, 13 Jan 99 14:28:09 EST Received: from SageFarm@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id GDKEa27801; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:27:30 -0500 (EST) From: SageFarm@aol.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:27:30 EST To: opus@MIT.EDU Cc: zdaniel@welchs.com, ellen.spear@infores.com, KatishaL@aol.com, zephyr@sunspot.tiac.net, scott@hup.harvard.edu, Pdrew@concordcg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: re: Concord Players Forum auditions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 *** EOOH *** From: SageFarm@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:27:30 EST To: opus@MIT.EDU Cc: zdaniel@welchs.com, ellen.spear@infores.com, KatishaL@aol.com, zephyr@sunspot.tiac.net, scott@hup.harvard.edu, Pdrew@concordcg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: re: Concord Players Forum auditions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Hi All, The dates for the CP auds for A Funny Thing...Forum are February 17th and 18th, 1999, with callbacks Feb. 21, 1999, at 51 Walden Street, Concord, MA, at 7:30 pm. I'm sending this announcement to a few of you with the hope that you'll spread the word. And if any or all of you are already in a show, have fun and break a leg and tell me when and where so I can come be a fan in the audience. Katy  1,, Summary-line: 14-Jan Mendes, Rica #FW: Answering Machine Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23111; Thu, 14 Jan 99 12:41:41 EST Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19265; Thu, 14 Jan 99 12:41:49 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 100qlk-0006Tc-00; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:41:20 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:41:07 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: 'Daddy' Cc: 'Amy Allen' , 'Dan J' , 'David Craven' , 'David J' , 'Irv Hodgkin' , 'Janice Dallas' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'moshe' , 'NEFF' , 'Paul' , "'Phil @ Home'" , 'rice' , 'Scott' , 'snyder' , 'sooz' , 'stevemartin' Subject: FW: Answering Machine Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:41:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: 'Daddy' Cc: 'Amy Allen' , 'Dan J' , 'David Craven' , 'David J' , 'Irv Hodgkin' , 'Janice Dallas' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'moshe' , 'NEFF' , 'Paul' , "'Phil @ Home'" , 'rice' , 'Scott' , 'snyder' , 'sooz' , 'stevemartin' Subject: FW: Answering Machine Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:41:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > How funny... there are a couple of versions of this one, but this > happens to be the one that I put together when I was in college! > > HA! > > @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ > Operations > AIG-Financial Products > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex.Donald@imro.ie [SMTP:Alex.Donald@imro.ie] > Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 5:06 AM > To: The Jacksons; Marian Skeffington; Ellie O'Neill; Helen Claire > O'Hanlon; Greg Meagher; Donal McGuirk; Greg McAteer; Ursula Kennedy; > Sandra Gunn; Dearbhla Griffith; Kieran Glennon; Ethan; Angela Dorgan; > Caitriona deBurca; Jeanne Coffey; Denis Clohessy > Subject: Answering Machine > > Welcome to the Psychiatric Hotline. > If you are obsessive-compulsive, please press 1 repeatedly. > If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2. > If you have multiple personalities, please press 3, 4, 5, and 6. > If you are paranoid-delusional, we know who you are and what you want. > Just stay on the line so we can trace the call. > If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a little voice will > tell you which number to press. > If you are depressed, it doesn't matter which number you press. No one > will answer. > If you are delusional and occasionally hallucinate, please be aware > that the thing you are holding on the side of your head is alive and > about to bite off your ear. >  1,, Summary-line: 18-Jan Peter Stark #RE: [SageFarm@aol.com: re: Concord Players Forum auditions] Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07759; Mon, 18 Jan 99 11:06:09 EST Received: from mail1.furnituresite.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20295; Mon, 18 Jan 99 11:06:20 EST Received: by mail1.furnituresite.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:01:58 -0500 Message-Id: <210D83C9C26AD211A2020008C74CCBE7146B27@mail1.furnituresite.com> From: Peter Stark To: "'David C. Jedlinsky'" Subject: RE: [SageFarm@aol.com: re: Concord Players Forum auditions] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:01:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: Peter Stark To: "'David C. Jedlinsky'" Subject: RE: [SageFarm@aol.com: re: Concord Players Forum auditions] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:01:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for the info. Right now, my back is so bad that I'm doubtful that I'll be able to do this. It's gotten a lot worse since my accident, though there have been periods when it's been better. I go for these electrode therapy sessions which really help: they stimulate the muscle with electrical currents. Still hope to get together eventually. Would love to talk to you some time. Lots to tell. Regards to Ruth. Peter. > -----Original Message----- > From: David C. Jedlinsky [mailto:opus@mit.edu] > Sent: Monday, January 18, 1999 10:53 AM > To: pstark@furnituresite.com > Subject: [SageFarm@aol.com: re: Concord Players Forum auditions] > > > > Hi Peter! > > I thought you might be interested in this... > > -Dave > > ------- Forwarded Message > > From: SageFarm@aol.com > Subject: Concord Players Forum auditions > > Hi All, > > The dates for the CP auds for A Funny Thing...Forum are February 17th > and 18th, 1999, with callbacks Feb. 21, 1999, at 51 Walden Street, > Concord, MA, at 7:30 pm. The performances of Forum are April 23,24,30 > and May 1,2,7,and 8th. I'm sending this announcement to a few of you > with the hope that you'll spread the word. And if any or all of you > are already in a show, have fun and break a leg and tell me when and > where so I can come be a fan in the audience. Katy > > ------- End Forwarded Message >  1,, Summary-line: 20-Jan Scott Gagnon #the Crock 100 Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07272; Wed, 20 Jan 99 09:18:58 EST Received: from hup.harvard.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18117; Wed, 20 Jan 99 09:19:08 EST Received: (from scott@localhost) by hup.harvard.edu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id JAA41588; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:20:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:20:08 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Gagnon To: rac@bu.edu, opus@MIT.EDU, aallen@welchs.com Subject: the Crock 100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:20:08 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Gagnon To: rac@bu.edu, opus@MIT.EDU, aallen@welchs.com Subject: the Crock 100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (at last! as promised!) Over time, many, many people have asked me to define, specifically, what I mean when I refer to something as, quote, "a crock", or for that matter "crocky", "what a crock", "crocklike", etc. I say that for something to be a crock, as I use the term, it need not be good or bad, I need not like it or hate it, it just needs to be, well, a crock. Sometimes crocky things happen to people that are bad (the day you wash your car, it rains) or good (somehow, even though there are only nine seconds left to play, your team runs back a kick for a touchdown and wins by one point.) Some places, things and certainly people are the embodiment of crocky. It was that last statement that got me thinking how I might once and for all define a crock as I use the term for anyone who wonders. What are the 100 crockiest people, places andthings, that by their very nature define and embody the term. Following then, without further explanantion and if you need one that in itself is a crock) are what I call the "Crock 100." Some annoy, some (most) tickle you in a guilty- pleasure sort of way...all are crocks... 100-75 Kinda crocky... 100. That "Jesse" guy on MTV 99. Joey Buttafuoco 98. Anything in ClayMation 97. Beef Jerky 96. The song "Bohemian Rhapsody" 95. Jesse Ventura 94. Jesse Ventura being Governor of Minnesota 93. The comic strip "Drabble" 92. The WB network 91. Chia-anything 90. Gary Coleman 89. Adam West 88. Underground Caverns as tourist attractions in upstate NY 87. "Cats" 86. Being able to mail-order potatoes over the internet 85. Signs that say "Duck Crossing" in silhouette 84. Danny Bonaduce (more as a nod to those of you who expected him to turn up somehwere) 83. Kim Basinger winning an Academy Award 82. Ditto Lionel Richie 81. Lionel Richie in general 80. RuPaul's talk show 79. Garden Gnomes 78. Paintings from the late 60's/early 70's of those kids with the really big eyes 77. TV show "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir" 76. The Salem Witch Museum 75. Canadian rock band Loverboy 74-50: Pretty Darned crocky: 74. American rock band Heart 73. "Sanford and Son" 72. Giving someone else a ride to an audition, and getting cast yourself 71. (see #72) vice-versa 70. The fact that Mr. Potato Head no longer smokes a pipe 69. VH1 Documentary: "Def Leppard: Behind the Music" 68. Barbra Streisand's version of "Jimgle Bells" on her Xmas album 67. While Mike Tyson is just an asshole, Peter McNeeley was a bona fide crock 66. Tonya Harding 65. Those cool stop-motion movies by George Pal like "Sinbad" and "One Million Years BC" 64. Anything Tamagochi 63. The Philadelphia Phillies 62. The World of Sid and Marty Krofft 61. The scene in "Blazing Saddles" where the guy punches the horse 60. The four-million degree hot "Easy-Bake Oven" 59. The song "Delirious" by Prince 58. Arnold Ziffel the pig 57. The Super Bowl Halftime Show 56. Planter's Cheese Balls 55. Those banks where you put a penny down and a skeleton hand comes out of a grave and drags it in 54. Teletubbies 53. Any Adam Sandler film 52. The cool "fight music" on "Star Trek" (actually this wold have ranked higher but I'm not sure how many people know which music I'd be talking about.) 51. Divine 50. Jimmy Walker 49-25: Gettin' pretty dang crocky at this point 49. Elmo 48. The LA Clippers 47. "Army of Darkness" 46. Yes, Beavis and Butthead 45. Julia Child 44. Bad imitations of Julia Child 43. Former Patriots coach Rod Rust 42. Space Invaders 41. The Geo 40. Michael Crawford 39. Willie Nelson 38. Nell Carter 37. Goo Goo Bars 36. Claxton Fruit Cake 35. Chile (not the food, the country) 34. Sonny Bono's widow being in Congress 33. For that matter, the way Sonny Bono died 32. In fact, Sonny Bono 31. The fact that there are hockey teams in Phoenix, Miami, and Dallas but none in Minnesota 30. Cameroon (clearly, again, yes, I mean the whole country) 29. The soccer team from Cameroon being referred to at the World Cup as "Freewheeling Cameroon" 28. Dick Button 27. "Star Search" 26. Excalibur Hotel, Las Vegas, NV 25. "Hee Haw" 24-10 Getting there (note: several things in here are admittedly very crocky but I didn't want to give them the satisfaction of landing in the top ten.) 24. Dennis Rodman 23. Pamela Anderson-Lee 22. Jerry Springer 21. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, partic with their old logo 20. The Bee Gees 19. The Liberace Museum 18. That guy in the McDonald's commercial running on the beach in a McNugget costume 17. Funnel Cakes 16. Danny Terrio and "Motion" from "Dance Fever" 15. Don King 14. Boxcar Willie 13. Any John Waters film 12. The Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade 11. Pop Song "I'm Too Sexy" ...And here they are! The ten best illustrations of, "Oh, My God, that's such a crock!": 10. The Teacher's voice in "Charlie Brown" specials 9. Arena Football 8. Tiny Tim (and my brief friendship with him, prior to his death) 7. Barry White 6. Spooky World, Berlin, MA 5. Dick Vitale, Bay-bee... 4. Michael Flatley, Lord of the Dance (and subsequent show, entitled "Feet of Flames") 3. David Lee Roth 2. "Sabado Gigante!" on Univision 1. Pedro's "South of the Border" resort, rte 95, Durham, South Carolina. Now, I can provide only limited, lazy explanatiuons of all this. But next time I say something is "Crocky" "el crocko grande" or "uber-crock", one may use the above as a frame of reference. d:-)  1,, Summary-line: 21-Jan eichin@thok.org #Overheard at B.Dalton Cambridgeside Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02086; Thu, 21 Jan 99 14:09:06 EST Received: from d-ma-lowell-121.ici.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03443; Thu, 21 Jan 99 14:09:16 EST Received: from noraneko.arepa.com (maneki-neko.arepa.com [207.180.18.131]) by arepa.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27188; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:09:02 -0500 Received: by arepa.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for dinner@mit.edu; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:09:01 -0500 (EST) To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Overheard at B.Dalton Cambridgeside From: eichin@thok.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 21 Jan 1999 14:09:01 -0500 Message-Id: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 *** EOOH *** To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Overheard at B.Dalton Cambridgeside From: eichin@thok.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 21 Jan 1999 14:09:01 -0500 Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 From: yonah@MIT.EDU (Yonah Schmeidler) Date: 20 Jan 1999 17:03:40 -0500 >From: "Peter H. Brenton" Subject: Overheard at B.Dalton Cambridgeside This was overheard in line at the checkout on Dec. 23rd at B.Dalton bookstore in the Cambridgeside Galleria; Customer: "Do you take the Discover Card?" Clerk 1: "Yes ma'am, we take everything but goats and chickens." Clerk 2: "We take goats now." Clerk 1: "Yes ma'am, we take everything but chickens. (aside) What do they do with all those goats?"  1,, Summary-line: 22-Jan LeighMann@aol.com #G&S Test Your Vocabulary Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02620; Fri, 22 Jan 99 21:10:29 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA09841; Fri, 22 Jan 99 21:10:40 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id VAA11925; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:10:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:10:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1b2e846c.36a92e98@aol.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: LeighMann@aol.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: LeighMann@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: G&S Test Your Vocabulary Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:10:19 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: LeighMann@aol.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: LeighMann@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: G&S Test Your Vocabulary Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 I got this as part of a forward, thought it was pretty cute and I'd pass it along. If want the entire list (non-G&S cliches) please e-mail me privately. > 19. Abstention from any aleatory undertaking precludes a potential > escalation of a lucrative nature. Nothing venture nothing win  1,, Summary-line: 23-Jan Diana Burleigh #Prompt Books Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04331; Sat, 23 Jan 99 02:21:28 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13087; Sat, 23 Jan 99 02:21:39 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id CAA19572; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:21:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:21:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36A977D9.F0F@netspace.net.au> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: deebee@netspace.net.au Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Diana Burleigh To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Prompt Books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:21:19 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: deebee@netspace.net.au Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Diana Burleigh To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Prompt Books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Leon' stories are a hoot. Have you any more? In my hayday I saw the D'Oyly Carte (who I still think of as being in theirs at the time) several hundred times and therefore knew all the business backwards. When I began to direct I still had a vivid memory of how it was done and so where I believed the Traditional business could not be bettered (I tend to be more original now, but there is still a lot which is so good that it would be a very brilliant director who could improve on it) I was able to reproduce some scenes with a knowledge of what the scenes were about (at least I hope I was). At the same time I'd see other productions and think "they've missed the point there" when almost-familiar business appeared. Even if we were able to follow prompt books faithfully, there would still be a change in style of performance. It is recorded that Gilbert would go through his lines with the cast, making them imitate his delivery, clapping his hands to show how he wanted the rhythm and the pauses. I am told by those whose memory goes back to WW2 and further that the delivery of dialogue was very slow and what we would call stagey. If that were attempted now, I do not believe audiences would accept it. A good director could certainly take a prompt book and interpret it so that the whole show worked well. In lesser hands the result would be dire. Those who have ever used the French's Acting editions of plays, will know that every move is mapped out. These books were put together from the original prompts books of West End productions and refered to the set, stage size, auditorium sight lines of the original production and were devised for the particular qualities and personalities original cast. Like many others, when I have had to use these editions, I have not read the moves. Once, in a Coward play I had the continual question from a certain cast member "why aren't we doing this the proper way, as the book says" My explanation was never accepted. Shortly after our run another company did the same play and we all went along to it. It had been directed entirely from the book. Several times there were moves which made no sense because of the different stage and setting. At interval the cast member who had given me so much trouble said "They're doing an awful lot of silly things. Why?" Was I delighted to tell him! I suspect a slavish adherance to any prompt book would have the same result. Of course I assume that the company which is contemplating using a DC book, would not slavishly adhere! Diana  1,, Summary-line: 23-Jan Marc Shepherd #Re: D'Oyly Carte Prompt Books Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08140; Sat, 23 Jan 99 03:23:17 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17527; Sat, 23 Jan 99 03:23:27 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id DAA21208; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:23:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:23:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36A986B5.E9AFFDE@cris.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple@cris.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: D'Oyly Carte Prompt Books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:23:07 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: oakapple@cris.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: D'Oyly Carte Prompt Books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) Chris Webster wrote: > > Question one: Who actually wrote these books? Traditionally, they were written by the stage manager. However, the ones provided to amateur societies were *copies* of the ones the Company used. I heard that D'OC paid retired choristers a nominal sum for copying them out. >From the few that I own, my impression is that some of the copyists were better than others. I wouldn't doubt that there was staging & business that made sense originally, but after generations of copying, became incomprehensible. > Question two: Are there different versions available? As the operas received new productions, the prompt books would evolve. GONDOLIERS seems to have had far more new productions than some of the other operas. In D'OC generally, a new production did not necessarily mean that all the old business was completely discarded. > Question three: If there are old turn of the century prompt books around, > what's to stop someone from reprinting them in a new book. Dame Bridget D'Oyly Carte bequeathed all of the early prompt books to the Theatre Museum. I have been there and looked at a number of them. These old prompt books are far more detailed than the modern ones, and capture the actual productions that Gilbert directed. There are many examples of changes to the script that were never published, and often detailed instructions about emphasis and business. Ian Bradley also quotes from prompt books, and the ones he has seen are different than what the Theatre Museum has. I think it would be fascinating to publish the original stage directions. I do not favor blindly imitating directions just because Gilbert endorsed them. But, I think people would be genuinely surprised at how much detail is there. My plate's a little full, but it would be worthwhile to put these in print. -- Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com Web: http://www.cris.com/~oakapple  1,, Summary-line: 23-Jan P.D.Parker #D'Oyly Carte Prompt Books Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA11766; Sat, 23 Jan 99 04:36:12 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21577; Sat, 23 Jan 99 04:36:23 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id EAA22945; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 04:36:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 04:36:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990123092055.00864c10@mail.globalnet.co.uk> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: pdp@globalnet.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "P.D.Parker" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: D'Oyly Carte Prompt Books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 04:36:04 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: pdp@globalnet.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "P.D.Parker" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: D'Oyly Carte Prompt Books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) There have been quite a lot of comments about these Prompt Books. Let me put in my oar as to what I know about them. I refer to Prompt books in stiff Red covers consisting of a Chappell's libretto bound with interleaving plain paper on to which were hand written detailed instructions. There are other types of prompt book which were used by D'Oyly Carte historically but I do not believe these were ever (knowingly) sold to anyone. They are quite rare to find but I have seen some. The Red books were painstakingly copied mostly (and for very many years) by one person who had very neat and small writing. I cannot rememeber the lady's name just out of my head, but I do recall her giving up due to age and infirmity and someone else taking on the job. This work was not done by a direct employee of D'Oyly Carte but was a job done on a part time basis. I do remember the fee paid for doing it was extremely small. (I remember arguments about that). In case anyone should ask it was NOT Maude Evans herself but of course she taught from these books as a basis. But as I stated above, the books lagged behind what was actual practice on stage. These Red books did occasionally get brought up to date to reflect the performances as done by the Company at some time and there are many different versions. Unfortunately none that I have or have seen are dated except that the libretto itself may have a printers or publishers date. I have seen at least three different handwritings. These books were available to amateur groups performing the works with permission only and were sold outright not hired. There are therefore many about. The Opera Company also used them and several of my set are marked inside R Gibson who was a producer/stage director at one time. I do not have and have never seen a Red book for Utopia or Grand Duke. Perhaps someone will tell me if these ever existed in this form. It was/is my understanding that the information contained in these books started out as ''Gilbert authorised'' that is not quite the same as stating they were copies of Gilbert's own version, but I do not know in detail what differences there may be. Certainly Gilbert did have and use his own version (not bound as above). There were prompt books in Black (school exercise type) books into which libretto pages had been pasted. I have seen books of this type dating from the 1880s that were used by stage managers of the original companies. These were jealously guarded and would never have been issued to amateurs. The Red books were in all probability J.M. Gordon ''authorised'' but did reflect notes and changes made at the time in performance. They therefore owe their origin loosely to Gilbert but cannot be said to be other than based on his intentions. (And Gordons version of that) The Red books were still available up to and beyond the the closure in 1982 but that may not have been true for all the operas. The D'Oyly Carte organisation did try to keep a small stock in anticipation of orders. Regards Peter. >From pdp@globalnet.co.uk  1,, Summary-line: 26-Jan Peter Stark #Did I ever send you this? Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA28766; Tue, 26 Jan 99 17:26:17 EST Received: from mail1.furnituresite.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22539; Tue, 26 Jan 99 17:26:32 EST Received: by mail1.furnituresite.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:21:31 -0500 Message-Id: <210D83C9C26AD211A2020008C74CCBE7146BDF@mail1.furnituresite.com> From: Peter Stark To: "'opus@mit.edu'" Cc: "David Chase (E-mail)" Subject: Did I ever send you this? 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I don't get it...  1,, Summary-line: 30-Jan Patricia McDonald #Fwd: Fwd: :) Chuckle Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09929; Sat, 30 Jan 99 09:40:41 EST Received: from send102.yahoomail.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13690; Sat, 30 Jan 99 09:40:58 EST Message-Id: <19990130144300.25786.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.67.1.173] by send102.yahoomail.com; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 06:43:00 PST Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 06:43:00 -0800 (PST) From: Patricia McDonald Subject: Fwd: Fwd: :) Chuckle To: "Bill Kelley, Jr. Will1733" , David John ZDwyer , John and Joyce Harrahy , Janices Home , David Jedlinsky , Jay Latulippe , ",Ann McDonald" , Nancy Miller , David Owen , Catherine Poulin , Laurie Tema-Lyn , Peter James Bridges , Patricia butterfly , Rebecca Consentino , Winnie and Bob Creed , Bob Dwyer , David Patrick Dwyer , Kevin Dwyer , Sarah Fachada , Maria Forger , Scott Gagnon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-861021530-917707380=:13083" *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 06:43:00 -0800 (PST) From: Patricia McDonald Subject: Fwd: Fwd: :) Chuckle To: "Bill Kelley, Jr. Will1733" , David John ZDwyer , John and Joyce Harrahy , Janices Home , David Jedlinsky , Jay Latulippe , ",Ann McDonald" , Nancy Miller , David Owen , Catherine Poulin , Laurie Tema-Lyn , Peter James Bridges , Patricia butterfly , Rebecca Consentino , Winnie and Bob Creed , Bob Dwyer , David Patrick Dwyer , Kevin Dwyer , Sarah Fachada , Maria Forger , Scott Gagnon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-861021530-917707380=:13083" --0-861021530-917707380=:13083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hope you all enjoy! 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The occasional well -rendered belch is practically expected If something mechanical didn't work, you can bash it with a hammer and throw it across the room New shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet You don't have to remember everyone's birthday and anniversary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> --part0_917663130_boundary Content-ID: <0_917663130@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Onebzymom@aol.com Return-path: To: BKDXN@aol.com Cc: PStrecker@aol.com Subject: Fwd: :) Chuckle Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:10:31 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_917663130_boundary" --part1_917663130_boundary Content-ID: <0_917663130@inet_out.mail.aol.com.3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part1_917663130_boundary Content-ID: <0_917663130@inet_out.mail.aol.com.4> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Tmvcna@aol.com Return-path: To: Onebzymom@aol.com, E48LVIS@aol.com Subject: Fwd: :) Chuckle Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:46:03 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_917663130_boundary" --part2_917663130_boundary Content-ID: <0_917663130@inet_out.mail.aol.com.5> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII A WOMAN had to have come up with this. No man is even aware of a lot of this stuff! --part2_917663130_boundary Content-ID: <0_917663130@inet_out.mail.aol.com.6> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Jaws1000@aol.com Return-path: To: ldaniel@cinbell.com, Art11000@aol.com, WIGRA@aol.com, cdbbdc@exis.net, cgburton@rite32.org, Dasusway@aol.com, Ladybug798@yahoo.com, demerson@cinbell.com, swhiskey@compuserve.com, HRiethof@compuserve.com, Jonest38@aol.com, jfuson@cinbell.com, jdonatini@fuse.net, JPhil83153@aol.com, NanaB2@webtv.net, Keriis@erols.com, KHansen844@aol.com, waldoworld@fuse.net, Ssswampy@aol.com, CNetanel@aol.com, rmullins@cinbell.com, RascalRuss@aol.com, dragonslayer@hci.net, JGri374999@aol.com, Tevans@fuse.net, Tmvcna@aol.com, DIGGEM1@aol.com Subject: :) Chuckle Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:38:00 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit 49 Reasons It's Great To Be A Guy! Phone conversations last 30 seconds You know useful stuff about tanks and airplanes A 5 day vacation requires only one suitcase Bathroom lines are 80% shorter You can open all your own jars Old friends don't give you crap if you've lost or gained weight Dry cleaners and haircutters don't rob you blind When clicking thru the channels you don't have to stop on every shot of someone crying You don't have to lug a bag of "necessary" items with you everywhere you go You can go to the bathroom alone Your last name stays put You can leave a motel room bed unmade You can kill your own food The garage is all yours You get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness You can be showered and ready in 10 minutes Wedding plans take care of themselves If someone forgets to invite you to something, they can still be your friend. Your underwear cost $7.50 for a pack of 3 None of your coworkers have the power to make you cry You don't have to shave below your neck You don't have to curl up next to some big, hairy guy every night If you're 34 and single, no one notices Chocolate is just another snack You can quietly enjoy a car ride from the passenger seat Flowers fix everything You never have to worry about other's feelings Three pair of shoes are more than enough You can say anything and not worry about what people think Michael Bolton doesn't live in your universe. (Rosie :( ) Car mechanics tell you the truth You don't give a flip if someone doesn't notice your new haircut You can watch a game in silence for hours without your buddy thinking "he must be mad at me." One mood, all the time You can admire Clint Eastwood without having to starve yourself to look like him Same work.......more pay Gray hair and wrinkles add character Wedding dress $2000, Tux rental 100 bucks You don't care if someone is talking behind your back You don't pass on the dessert and then mooch off someone else's If you retain water, it is in a canteen You need not pretend you're "freshening up" when you go to the bathroom If you don't call your buddy when you said you would he won't tell your friends you've changed If another guy shows up at the party in the same outfit, you might become lifelong buddies. The occasional well -rendered belch is practically expected If something mechanical didn't work, you can bash it with a hammer and throw it across the room New shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet You don't have to remember everyone's birthday and anniversary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --part2_917663130_boundary-- --part1_917663130_boundary-- --part0_917663130_boundary-- --0-861021530-917707380=:13083--  1,, Summary-line: 1-Feb Peter Stark #Just got this by urgent email Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10561; Mon, 1 Feb 99 17:47:14 EST Received: from mail1.furnituresite.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16479; Mon, 1 Feb 99 17:47:27 EST Received: by mail1.furnituresite.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:41:59 -0500 Message-Id: <210D83C9C26AD211A2020008C74CCBE7146C73@mail1.furnituresite.com> From: Peter Stark To: "'wmkuhlman@aol.com'" , "'deeberg@aol.com'" , "'rubenact@aol.com'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: Just got this by urgent email Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:41:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: Peter Stark To: "'wmkuhlman@aol.com'" , "'deeberg@aol.com'" , "'rubenact@aol.com'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: Just got this by urgent email Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:41:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just think... if you missed getting a rock album by the Trotsky Icepicks (an actual group... I'm not making this up!), then here's your chance to recoup! Plus here's a musical theatre piece to consider producing. Might be able to use the same sets as Ruddigore. Peter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Subject: KILLING RASPUTIN - London Cast CD Now Available Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:17:28 GMT From: DMCOM Reply-To: dougm@dircon.co.uk Jumeira Productions is pleased to announce the release of the Original London cast recording of Killing Rasputin - a new musical by James O'Connell, Kit Hesketh Harvey and Stephen Clark and featuring the talents of Hal Folwer (Carousel, Martin Guerre), Meredith Braun(Sunset Boulevard), Gay Soper ( Les Mis - International Cast CD), Jerome Pradon (Martin Guerre) and Andrew Haliday (Cats). The show details the bizarre circumstances that led to the assasination of Rasputin by Prince Felix Yusapov and its subsequent effects on Russia. The CD can now be ordered via the internet for 10 British Pounds (normally 12.99) Our thanks to the hundreds of fans who have purchased this CD through us on the net. Orders are now being processed and should be with you over the next week. For further information about the CD http://www.gabbott.dircon.co.uk/index.htm/recordin.htm D & G Entertainment  1,, Summary-line: 1-Feb The Shadows of the Night #Hide and Seek Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19007; Mon, 1 Feb 99 19:58:24 EST Received: from camel8.mindspring.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA04260; Mon, 1 Feb 99 19:58:01 EST Received: from pcian (user-38lc7s6.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.31.134]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA19946; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:57:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990201195817.007af930@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:58:17 -0500 To: "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, elf@andor.org, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, jenigough@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, donnah@microhouse.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Hide and Seek In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:58:17 -0500 To: "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, elf@andor.org, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, jenigough@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, donnah@microhouse.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Hide and Seek In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The boss of a big company needed to call one of his employees about an urgent problem with one of the main computers. He dialed the employee's home phone number and was greeted with a child's whispered, "Hello?". Feeling put out at the inconvenience of having to talk to a youngster the boss asked, "Is your Daddy home?". "Yes.", whispered the small voice. "May I talk with him?", the man asked. To the surprise of the boss, the small voice whispered, "No.". Wanting to talk with an adult, the boss asked, "Is your Mommy there?". "Yes.", came the answer. "May I talk with her?". Again the small voice whispered, "No.". Knowing that it was not likely that a young child would be left home alone, the boss decided he would just leave a message with the person who should be there watching over the child. "Is there any one there besides you?", the boss asked the child. "Yes", whispered the child, "A policeman." Wondering what a cop would be doing at his employees home, the boss asked, "May I speak with the policeman?". "No, he is busy.", whispered the child. "Busy doing what?", asked the boss. "Talking to Daddy and Mommy and the Fireman.", came the whispered answer. Growing concerned and even worried as he heard what sounded like a helicopter through the ear piece on the phone the boss asked, "What is that noise?". "A hello-copper.", answered the whispering voice. "What is going on there?", asked the boss, now alarmed. In an awed whispering voice the child answered, "The search team just landed the hello-copper!". Alarmed, concerned and more than just a little frustrated the boss asked, "Why are they there?". Still whispering, the young voice replied along with a muffled giggle, "They are looking for me!" "A wise man gets more use from his enemies than a fool from his friends."  1,, Summary-line: 1-Feb The Shadows of the Night #State Mottos Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23045; Mon, 1 Feb 99 20:17:04 EST Received: from camel8.mindspring.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12725; Mon, 1 Feb 99 20:17:21 EST Received: from pcian (user-38lc7s6.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.31.134]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19059; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:16:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990201201653.007b4b10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:16:53 -0500 To: "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, elf@andor.org, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, jenigough@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, donnah@microhouse.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: State Mottos In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:16:53 -0500 To: "Cynthia J. Mallion" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, elf@andor.org, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, wolverinemjp@hotmail.com, jenigough@juno.com, wiggo@juno.com, donnah@microhouse.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, wjbagaria@venable.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: State Mottos In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Alabama: At Least We're not Mississippi Alaska: 11,623 Eskimos Can't be Wrong! Arizona: But It's a Dry Heat Arkansas: Litterasy Ain't Everthing California: As Seen on TV Colorado: If You Don't Ski, Don't Bother Connecticut: Like Massachusetts, Only Dirtier and With Less Character Delaware: We Really Do Like the Chemicals in our Water Florida: Ask Us About Our Grandkids Georgia: We Put the "Fun" in Fundamentalist Extremism Hawaii: Haka Tiki Mou Sha'ami Leeki Toru (Death to Mainland Scum, But Leave Your Money) Idaho: More Than Just Potatoes... Well Okay, We're Not, But The Potatoes Sure Are Real Good Illinois: Please Don't Pronounce the "S" Indiana: 2 Billion Years Tidal Wave Free Iowa: We Do Amazing Things With Corn Kansas: First Of The Rectangle States Kentucky: Five Million People; Fifteen Last Names Louisiana: We're Not All Drunk Cajun Wackos, But That's Our = Tourism Campaign Maine: We're Really Cold, But We Have Cheap Lobster Maryland: A Thinking Man's Delaware Massachusetts: Our Taxes Are Lower Than Sweden's (For Most Tax Brackets) Michigan: First Line of Defense From the Canadians Minnesota: 10,000 Lakes and 10,000,000 Mosquitoes Mississippi: Come Feel Better About Your Own State Missouri: Your Federal Flood Relief Tax Dollars at Work Montana: Land of the Big Sky, the Unabomber, Right-Wing Crazies, and Very Little Else Nebraska: Ask About Our State Motto Contest Nevada: Whores and Poker! New Hampshire: Go Away and Leave Us Alone New Jersey: You Want a ##$%##! Motto? I Got Yer ##$%##! Motto = Right Here! New Mexico: Lizards Make Excellent Pets New York: You Have the Right to Remain Silent, You Have the Right to an Attorney... North Carolina: Tobacco is a Vegetable North Dakota: We Really are One of the 50 States! Ohio: We Wish We Were In Michigan Oklahoma: Like the Play, only No Singing Oregon: Spotted Owl... It's What's For Dinner Pennsylvania: Cook With Coal Rhode Island: We're Not REALLY An Island South Carolina: Remember the Civil War? We Didn't Actually Surrender South Dakota: Closer Than North Dakota Tennessee: The Educashun State Texas: Si' Hablo Ing'les (Yes, I speak English) Utah: Our Jesus Is Better Than Your Jesus Vermont: Yep Virginia: Who Says Government Stiffs and Slackjaw Yokels Don't = Mix? Washington: Help! We're Overrun By Nerds and Slackers! Washington, D.C.: Wanna Be Mayor? "A wise man gets more use from his enemies than a fool from his friends."  1,, Summary-line: 2-Feb Henry Houh #May/June Class Notes for '89 Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05190; Tue, 2 Feb 99 10:26:20 EST Received: from salsa.lcs.mit.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14825; Tue, 2 Feb 99 10:26:35 EST Received: from LCS.MIT.EDU (mintaka.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.36]) by salsa.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01551 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:20:12 -0500 Received: from wasabi.lcs.mit.edu by MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU id aa23124; 2 Feb 99 9:38 EST Received: (from hhh@localhost) by wasabi.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26459; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:38:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:38:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199902021438.JAA26459@wasabi.lcs.mit.edu> From: Henry Houh To: mit89@salsa.lcs.mit.edu Subject: May/June Class Notes for '89 Reply-To: hhh@lcs.mit.edu *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:38:03 -0500 From: Henry Houh To: mit89@salsa.lcs.mit.edu Subject: May/June Class Notes for '89 Reply-To: hhh@lcs.mit.edu Hi Everyone, I have attached our most recent Class Notes article, and some old ones that I think I forgot to send out to the email list. There is a photo to go with these articles, and I have included the caption so you can decide if you would like to download it. Also, I would like to encourage everyone to help with several reunion projects. If you have not filled out a class survey, please check out the on-line version at: and fill out the information form for the reunion book and class survey (or please return the paper version). If you are planning to attend the reunion, or even thinking about it, please drop Rich Crosby some email at . Rich is keeping a list of people going to the reunion at . For all the latest news on the reunion, see . We will also be publishing a CD-ROM with Class Notes and photos, so if anyone has photos they would like put up on the class web site and on the CD-ROM, please send them to me. Thanks, and I hope to see many of you at the reunion! Henry ************ MIT '89 Photos: http://www.tns.lcs.mit.edu/mit89/album/98Wang.html The caption reads: MIT alums at the May 24, 1998 wedding of Cindy Wang and Steven Chao: Front row: Tami Zhu Sloan MBA '97, Carissa Climaco, Suephy Chen, Vivian Liu, Rita Cha '87, Alison Miyamoto. Second row: Leon R. L. Wang ScD-1 '65, Joyce C. C. Wang MCP '61, Cindy Wang Chao, Steven Chao, Libby Blank MCP '61 Back Row: Alejandro Caro '90, Kenney Ng, Lisa A. C. Houh, Henry Houh, David Gebala, Frank Wang PhD-18 '91, Carol Wu, Karen Yu, Rachel Duncan, Mark Wang '87. ***** May/June 1999 This month's list of people to please send news is: *Elizabeth Bogan, *Helen Cohen, *Timothy Eicher, *Glenn Friedman, *AnnaLee Saxenian, and *Joseph Stampleman. What are y'all up to? If anyone knows about any of these people or anyone else, please write in. Our reunion is coming up June 3-6, and planning is well underway. The 10th reunion is considered a major reunion year, and we will be publishing a class reunion book. In addition, we will be publishing a class reunion CD-ROM which will contain lots of class information from the past 10 years (photos, class notes, and possibly the entire reunion book). We would like to ask every classmate's help with these projects: please check out and fill out the information form for the reunion book and class survey (or please return the paper version). Also, if anyone has photos they would like put up on the class web site and on the CD-ROM, please send them to me. Anyway, now onwards to class news. *Lisa Shane was married to Jason Tokuda at the Sheraton Parsippany Hotel in New Jersey on November 7, 1998. Lisa, who picked up an MS degree in statistics at Carnegie-Mellon along the way, is now a Fellow of the Society of Actuaries, as is Jason. Both work at The Prudential Life Insurance Company. A sizable MIT contingent was present, including Lisa's father, Harold Shane '57 and sister, Erica Shane '86. Other MIT alumni present were *Sean Casey, *Scott Ramsay, *Cynara Wu, *Suzanne Wurster, J. Mike Hammond '87, and Steve Lentz '86. Also enjoying the festivities was Lisa's cousin, Scott Shane, an Assistant Professor in Sloan School. *Michael Berube and wife Michele are expecting their third child in early May. Michael reports that "life in Michigan is treating us well as is work at Daimler Chrysler." *Anuradha Vednatham has recently moved, and is working as the Director of the Atlantic County Educational Technology Training Center in NJ. Anu helps the K-12 teachers in the county integrate technology into the classroom. Anu's daughter is now two years old and expecting their second child this March. *Sandra (Murray) Skov recently left her job with the CVS drugstore chain to stay home with her children Sarah (6) and Benjamin (4). "The experience has been really wonderful so far," Sandra writes. *Hagan (Heller) Rivers has settled back in the Boston area and is working for the company her husband founded, Two Rivers Consulting Corp. *Andre Castagna was married in August 1996 to wife Loretta. Loretta is a jewelry designer, and Andre is working at the Knolls Atomic Power Lab, operated by Lockheed Martin. Until last year, Andre worked in materials development for reactor applications, and only recently switched to reactor component design and analysis. *Seth Ostrow has been named a partner in the Intellectual Property practice group of the national law firm Brown Raysman Millstein Felder & Steiner LLP in New York City. Seth's practice focuses on drafting and prosecuting patent applications in the computer hardware, software, electrical engineering, mechanical, and design areas. Well, that's it again for this month. If you'd like to have photos put up on our web site and on our class CD-ROM and don't have a scanner, I'll scan them and return them to you, and we'll have some nice electronic albums when our reunions roll around! *Henry Houh, secretary, 35 Hamlet St. Apt #2, Somerville, MA 02143-1908. phone: (617) 776-6126. e-mail: hhh@alum.mit.edu Class Web site: ***** March/April 1999 This month's list of people to please send news is: *William Cowan, *Paolo Diaz, *Priscilla Lam, *Sandra Lugo, *Herbert Miller, and *Edward Page. What are y'all up to? If anyone knows about any of these people or anyone else, please write in. After graduating and working in New York for 2 years at the Federal Reserve Bank, *Jackie Berger moved to Princeton, NJ for graduate school. In 1996 Jackie received her Ph.D. in economics, and got married to Benjamin Glasser. Jackie writes that "We stayed in the Princeton area where I am working for a consulting company doing policy analysis for government agencies. My most recent and most exciting news is that I just recently gave birth to Rachel Elizabeth Glasser on October 17, 1998! Currently I am on maternity leave, but I plan to return to work after 3 months." *Kathryn Parker is pursuing a doctorate in epidemiology through the Work Environment department at UMass Lowell. Kathryn does research with the Construction Occupational Health Program, which is actively reseraching construction worker health issues during the Big Dig. Kathryn and husband David Adams '86 and their two sons, aged 2 1/2 and 9 months, recently moved to Medford, MA. *Jocelyn (Troxel) Milton and husband Mark announce the arrival of Fiona Josephine, on Oct. 8, at 6 lb 14 oz and 19 inches. Fiona joins her big sister Joanna, who is 4 1/2. Jocelyn writes that she has "been a homemaker for 4 years now and am thoroughly enjoying it." *Theodore Larkin has completed his fifth year as a programmer/analyst at Newberger & Bergman, LLC, and investment advisory firm in New York City. *Brian Lasher is now on the MIT Alumni Association Board of Directors. Brian is living near in Birmingham, MI, and works in finance at Taubman Co., a developer of malls. *Ira Scharf recently left Wildfire Communications, a company that builds a telephone based electronic assistant that works using speech recognition. Ira writes that "This personal assistant is called Wildfire, and she's fabulous to work with!" Ira heading up a group building several international versions of the product for a few European markets. Ira will be traveling for about a month in Asia, visiting Hong Kong, mainland China, Vietnam, Thailand, and Bali, before starting at Harvard Business School in January as part of the HBS Class of 2000. Well, that's it again for this month. If you'd like to have photos put up on our web site and on our class CD-ROM and don't have a scanner, I'll scan them and return them to you, and we'll have some nice electronic albums when our reunions roll around! *Henry Houh, secretary, 35 Hamlet St. Apt #2, Somerville, MA 02143-1908. phone: (617) 776-6126. e-mail: hhh@alum.mit.edu Class Web site: **** Jan/Feb 1999 Happy New Year! This month's list of people to please send news is: *Douglas Beck, *Gina Chung, *Richard Elder, *Karen Koyama, *James Rudd, *Peter Tan, *Regina Valluzzi. What are y'all up to? If anyone knows about any of these people or anyone else, please write in. Onwards to class news, which is almost exclusively about new additions! *Leslie Liu reports the arrival of daughter Marisa, born April 9 (see photos on our web site). *Jerome Braunstein received his PhD in Mathematics at UCSD in 1993, got married and now has a son and a daughter (see photos on our web site) - Benyomin Yitzchak Braunstein (born 1/26/95 future class of 2016) and Sadie Ahuvah Braunstein (born 4/4/96 future class of 2017). Jerome writes that he "moved back to the Valley, dude, and now work at OR Concepts Applied in Whittier, CA. I have not kept in touch with anybody from MIT, but am looking forward to 10-yr reunion and would like to make contact with any old Burton Two Knights or Hillel members in the L.A. area." Iffat Mai writes that "the biggest things for me this year was a new baby girl (on 1/1/98) and a new house. We just recently moved into a new house in Forest Hills, NY, and my first visitor was *Sanjay Manandhar who happened to drop by NY on a business trip from London. Sanjay is in Venture capital and he just got married in June in Nepal and bought a flat in central London by the park. He also tells me that *Ko Kim Gan, who works with Citicorp in Singapore, also got married this past May." *Dave Story wrote to report the imminent ("within 5 days") arrival of he and wife Christy's second child. When I wrote back, I received a note that he is on paternity leave, so we'll have to wait until next time to find out the details. Dave moved recently from Sunnyvale to Portola Valley. "I just love having no neighbors within 100 feet, oak and pomegranate trees surrounding the house, and the loudest noise at night being the crickets." Dave has switched jobs recently and is now Director of Engineering for the Fahrenheit and OpenGL APIs at Silicon Graphics. "This is a ground-breaking set of 3D graphics APIs which we hope will set the standards for the next decade. It's a big team and a complex project, so wish me luck!" *Barry Margulies has a new put up more photos of his son on his web site. You can find them by checking our list of class members with web pages off our web site. If you have a web page and would like to be listed, please send me your web address. *Ed Kim writes that he started a new job in the investment bank at Prudential Securities - "A fairly dramatic career change, though still in the world of finance." We heard about *Chris Maeda's company from *Alex Rosen last month, and Chris writes to correct his company's name - Rubric. *Teri Centner writes to request our help with her sorority sister Michelle Crosby who was diagnosed with an aggressive type of leukemia (CMML or chronic myelomonocytic leukemia) and needs a bone marrow transplant. For more information, please see . Well, that's it again for this month. If you'd like to have photos put up on our web site and on our class CD-ROM and don't have a scanner, I'll scan them and return them to you, and we'll have some nice electronic albums when our reunions roll around! *Henry Houh, secretary, 35 Hamlet St. Apt #2, Somerville, MA 02143-1908. phone: (617) 776-6126. e-mail: hhh@alum.mit.edu Class Web site:  1,, Summary-line: 2-Feb Patricia McDonald #Fwd: Fwd: borap@juno.com: A Good laugh. Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19568; Tue, 2 Feb 99 23:07:03 EST Received: from send106.yahoomail.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA29750; Tue, 2 Feb 99 23:07:02 EST Message-Id: <19990203040835.15084.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.67.1.180] by send106.yahoomail.com; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:08:35 PST Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:08:35 -0800 (PST) From: Patricia McDonald Subject: Fwd: Fwd: borap@juno.com: A Good laugh. To: John and Joyce Harrahy , Janices Home , David Jedlinsky , Joey Lalmond1 , Jay Latulippe , ",Ann McDonald" , Nancy Miller , David Owen , Catherine Poulin , Peter James Bridges , Patricia butterfly , Rebecca Consentino , Winnie and Bob Creed , Bob Dwyer , David Patrick Dwyer , Sarah Fachada , Maria Forger , Scott Gagnon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1255179497-918014915=:3408" *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:08:35 -0800 (PST) From: Patricia McDonald Subject: Fwd: Fwd: borap@juno.com: A Good laugh. To: John and Joyce Harrahy , Janices Home , David Jedlinsky , Joey Lalmond1 , Jay Latulippe , ",Ann McDonald" , Nancy Miller , David Owen , Catherine Poulin , Peter James Bridges , Patricia butterfly , Rebecca Consentino , Winnie and Bob Creed , Bob Dwyer , David Patrick Dwyer , Sarah Fachada , Maria Forger , Scott Gagnon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1255179497-918014915=:3408" --0-1255179497-918014915=:3408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Enjoy Pat note: forwarded msg attached. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1255179497-918014915=:3408 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: stpat47@yahoo.com via mdd103.yahoomail.com Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.1) by mta101.yahoomail.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 1999 16:53:46 -0800 Received: from PStrecker@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WAHJa04329; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:42:06 +1900 (EST) From: PStrecker@aol.com Message-ID: <272d8ba7.36b79b5e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:42:06 EST To: DKBookBiz@aol.com, MYoungs@aol.com, Pmst133@aol.com, BStrec@concentric.net, JudyHigh@worldnet.att.net, guyww1@juno.com, JPWalker@aol.com, loisdori@citrus.infi.net, Pkot@aol.com, mperry1@hadco.com, PWacaster@aol.com, Onebzymom@aol.com, CandyWon@aol.com, KHagler@juno.com, bksmith@dow.com, BeccaG2@aol.com, hburruss@bellatlantic.net, T2COOLCHUK@aol.com, Chris02@aol.com, stpat47@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: borap@juno.com: A Good laugh. Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_918002526_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Content-Length: 24379 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_918002526_boundary Content-ID: <0_918002526@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 2/2/99 1:24:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, roy-el@juno.com writes: << TECHNOLOGY FOR COUNTRY FOLK: LOG ON: Makin a wood stove hot LOG OFF: Don't add no more wood MONITOR: Keeping an eye on the woodstove DOWNLOAD: Gittin the farwood off the truck MEGA HERTZ: When you're not keerfull gittin the farwood FLOPPY DISC: Whatcha git from tryin to tote too much farwood RAM: That thar thing whut splits the farwood HARD DRIVE: Gittin home in the winter time WINDOWS: Whut to shut when it's cold outside SCREEN: Whut to shut when it's blak fly season BYTE: Whut dem dang flys do CHIP: Munchies fer the TV MICRO CHIP: Whut's in the bottom of the munchie bag MODEM: Whatcha do to the hay fields DOT MATRIX: Old Dan Matrix's wife LAP TOP: Whar the kitty sleeps KEYBOARD: Whar you hang the dang truck keys SOFTWARE: Them dang plastic forks and knifes MOUSE: What eats the grain in the barn MOUSE PAD: That's hippie talk fer the mouse home MAINFRAME: Holds up the barn roof PORT: Fancy Flatlander wine ENTER: Northerner talk fer, "C'Mon in y'all" CLICK: Whut you hear when you cock your gun DOUBLE CLICK: When the dang gun don't far when you pull the trigger REBOOT: Whut you have to do right before bedtime when you forgot the kitty's still outside --part0_918002526_boundary Content-ID: <0_918002526@inet_out.mail.juno.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb03.mail.aol.com (v56.24) with SMTP; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 01:24:13 -0500 Received: from x15.boston.juno.com (x15.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.28]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id BAA23514; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 01:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from roy-el@juno.com) by x15.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2FBM347; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 01:23:46 EST To: ANNE1102@OURWEB.NET, AMYJIMRICE@juno.com, PSTRECKER@aol.com, IVYDCBP@PRODIGY.NET Cc: AMYJIM@juno.com, XXXFLSUNXXX@juno.com, Dingraha@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 01:20:32 -0800 Subject: borap@juno.com: A Good laugh. Message-ID: <19990202.012033.18902.0.ROY-EL@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-618 From: "ESTHER R. ROY" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Esther --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: borap@juno.com To: tieplate@juno.com, rfbalsdon@aol.com, bittinger@juno.com,xxxflsunxxx@juno.com, scedwards@infoave.net, tkclean@juno.com,rogmare@juno.com, jmccrack@inmar-inc.com, jervel@juno.com,roy-el@juno.com Subject: A Good laugh. Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:36:20 -0500 Message-ID: <19990201.183621.-986091.2.borap@juno.com> Hi: I recieved this lately and thought that you might enjoy it. Had a good laugh lately, Need a good laugh, Read on: TECHNOLOGY FOR COUNTRY FOLK: LOG ON: Makin a wood stove hot LOG OFF: Don't add no more wood MONITOR: Keeping an eye on the woodstove DOWNLOAD: Gittin the farwood off the truck MEGA HERTZ: When you're not keerfull gittin the farwood FLOPPY DISC: Whatcha git from tryin to tote too much farwood RAM: That thar thing whut splits the farwood HARD DRIVE: Gittin home in the winter time WINDOWS: Whut to shut when it's cold outside SCREEN: Whut to shut when it's blak fly season BYTE: Whut dem dang flys do CHIP: Munchies fer the TV MICRO CHIP: Whut's in the bottom of the munchie bag MODEM: Whatcha do to the hay fields DOT MATRIX: Old Dan Matrix's wife LAP TOP: Whar the kitty sleeps KEYBOARD: Whar you hang the dang truck keys SOFTWARE: Them dang plastic forks and knifes MOUSE: What eats the grain in the barn MOUSE PAD: That's hippie talk fer the mouse home MAINFRAME: Holds up the barn roof PORT: Fancy Flatlander wine ENTER: Northerner talk fer, "C'Mon in y'all" CLICK: Whut you hear when you cock your gun DOUBLE CLICK: When the dang gun don't far when you pull the trigger REBOOT: Whut you have to do right before bedtime when you forgot the kitty's still outside Here's a chuckle. > Pierre and Boudreaux was flying Cajun Airlines. Boudreaux was > flying da plane and Pierre was in da back foolin wit da cargo > equipment an stuff. Da plane hit some turbulence an started bouncin roun= d > an Boudreaux got knock unconscience. Then da plane started driftin. > > Pierre him come run up to da front an Boudreaux was sprawl out over > da steerin wheel. Well, Pierre don't know notin bout flyin an he > start to get panaky. He grab da microphone and holla "May Day! May > Day! Dis is Cajun Air Line 90210. Boudreaux, him knock unconscence an I > don know nutin about flyin dis plane!" > > "Dis is da control tower," someone answer. "Don you worry about nutin. > We gonna splain how fo you to land dis plane, step by step, ah > gar-on-tee! Jus leave arything ta us. Fus, how high are you an whas > you position?" > > Pierre thought a minute, den say, "I'm five foot ten an I'm all da way > to da front of da plane." > > "No! No!" answer da tower. "What's you altitude an where's you > location?" > > Pierre say, "Man ah got a po attitude, an I'm from Thibodeaux!" > > "No! No! No!" came an exasperated voice. "Ah needs to know how many feet > you are off da ground an how you plane's in relation to da airport!" > > Pierre start to panic by dis time. He say, "Countin Boudreaux's an > mine, we got four feet off da ground an I don believe dis plane's > related to you airport!" > > A long pause --- the silence was deafenin. >"We needs to know who you next of kin is...and where to send da flowers. From comedian Stephen Wright 1. Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts. 2. If a person with multiple personalities threatens suicide, is that considered a hostage situation? 3. Just think how much deeper the ocean would be if sponges didn't live there. 4. If a cow laughed, would milk come out her nose? 5. Whatever happened to Preparations A through G? 6. If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from? 7. I went for a walk last night, and my kids asked me how long I'd be gone. I said, "The whole time." 8. So what's the speed of dark? 9. How come you don't ever hear about gruntled employees? And who has been diss-ing them anyhow? 10. After eating, do amphibians need to wait an hour before getting OUT of the water? 11. Why don't they just make mouse-flavored cat food? 12. If you're sending someone some Styrofoam, what do you pack it in? 13. I just got skylights put in my place. The people who live above me are furious. 14. Why do they sterilize needles for lethal injections? 15. Do they have reserved parking for non-handicapped people at the Special Olympics? 16. Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny? 17. When a man talks dirty to a woman, its sexual harassment. When a woman talks dirty to a man, it's $3.95 per minute. 18. If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them? 19. Isn't Disney World a people trap operated by a mouse? 20. Whose cruel idea was it for the word "lisp" to have an "s" in it? 21. Since light travels faster than sound, isn't that why some people appear bright until you hear them speak? 22. How come abbreviated is such a long word? 23. If it's zero degrees outside today and it's supposed to be twice as cold tomorrow, how cold is it going to be? 24. Why do you press harder on a remote-control when you know the battery is dead? 25. Since Americans throw rice at weddings, do Asians throw hamburgers? 26. Why are they called buildings, when they're alreadym finished? Shouldn't they be called builts? 27. Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together? 28. Why do banks charge you a "non-sufficient funds fee" on money they know you don't have? 29. If the universe is everything, and scientists say that the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into? 30. If you got into a taxi and the driver started driving backward, would the taxi driver end up owing you money? 31. What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? 32. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to see it,do the other trees make fun of it? 33. Why is a carrot more orange than an orange? 34. When two airplanes almost collide why do they call it a near miss?It sounds like a near hit to me!! 35. Do fish get cramps after eating? 36. Why are there 5 syllables in the word "monosyllabic"? 37. Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? 38. Why do scientists call it research when looking for something new? 39. If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? 40. When I erase a word with a pencil, where does it go? 41. Why is it, when a door is open it's ajar, but when a jar is open, it's not a door? 42. Tell a man that there are 400 billion stars and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint and he has to touch it. 43. How come Superman could stop bullets with his chest, but always ducked when someone threw a gun at him? 44. If "con" is the opposite of "pro," then what is the opposite of progress? 45. Why is it lemon juice contains mostly artificial ingredients, but dishwashing liquid contains real lemons? 46. Why buy a product that it takes 2000 flushes to get rid of? 47. Why do we wait until a pig is dead to "cure" it? 48. Why do we wash bath towels? Aren't we clean when we use them? 49. Why do we put suits in a garment bag and put garments in a suitcase? 50. Why doesn't glue stick to the inside of the bottle? 51. Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"? 52. What do little birdies see when they get knocked unconscious? 53. Why doesn't Tarzan have a beard? 54. If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes? 55. Should you trust a stockbroker who's married to a travel agent? 56. Is boneless chicken considered to be an invertebrate? 57. Do married people live longer than single people, or does it just SEEM longer? 58. I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose. 59. If all those psychics know the winning lottery numbers, why are they all still working? 60. Isn't the best way to save face to keep the lower part shut? 61. War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. Bill and Hillary are out driving in the country near Hillary's hometown. They are low on fuel, so Bill pulls into a gas station for a fill-up. The attendant comes out and begins to pump gas into the first couple's tank. As he is doing this, he looks into the passenger window. "Hey, Hillary. We used to date in high school, do you remember me?" he asks. They chat for a few minutes, Bill pays and the first couple leaves. As they drive Bill is feeling very proud of himself and looks over at Hillary. "You used to date that guy? Just think what it would be like if you had married him," he says smugly. Hillary looks at Bill and shrugs. The she replies, "Well I guess you'd be pumping gas and he would be the President." Two good old boys are driving down the road one day > enjoying cold bottles of beer. All of a sudden one of them > looks up and sees a roadblock a little ways ahead. > > "Uh-oh, Bubba," he says. "Look up there. They gonna > catch us drinkin' an' drivin'. > > Bubba says, "No worries, man. You just do exackly like I > do. See, finish your beer, peel off the label, and hide the > bottle under the seat. Now stick the label up on your > forehead." > > They pull up to the road block and stop, smiling, with the > beer labels sticking to the middle of their foreheads. > Naturally, the first thing the policeman asks is, "You boys > been drinking?" > > "No sirree, sir!" says Bubba triumphantly; "See, we on the X patch!" Subject: WE ARE NOT PERFECT We are not perfect, but don't worry. We're in good company. Moses stuttered. David's armor didn't fit. Paul rejected John Mark. Hosea's wife was a prostitute. Amos' only training was in the school of fig-tree pruning. Jacob told a lie. David had an affair. Solomon was too rich. Abraham was too old. David was too young. Timothy had stomach problems Peter was afraid of death. John was self-righteous. Paul was a murderer. So was Moses. Jonah ran from God. Miriam was a gossip. Gideon and Thomas both doubted. Jeremiah was depressed and suicidal. Elijah was burned out. John the Baptist had a loudmouth. Samson had long hair. Noah got drunk. Did I mention that Moses had a short fuse? So did Peter, Paul - well, lots of folks did. We all make mistakes, when we make mistakes we can ask for forgiveness. It's our heart condition that Jehovah looks for. Our service to him is the most important part of our lives. >(Young Wisdom-Out of the Mouths of Babes) > >A three-year-old went with his dad to see a litter of kittens. >On returning home, he breathlessly informed his mother there >were two boy kittens and two girl kittens. "How did you know?" > his mother asked. "Daddy picked them up and looked >underneath," he replied. "I think it's printed on the bottom." > >***** >Another three-year old put his shoes on by himself. >His mother noticed the left was on the right foot. >She said, "Son, your shoes are on the wrong feet." >He looked up at her with a raised brow and said, >"Don't kid me, Mom. I KNOW they're my feet." > >***** >On the first day of school, the Kindergarten teacher >said, "If anyone has to go to the bathroom, hold up two >fingers." A little voice from the back of the room asked, >"How will that help?" > >***** >A mother and her young son returned from the grocery >store and began putting away the groceries. The boy >opened the box of animal crackers and spread them >all over the table. "What are you doing?" his mother >asked. "The box says you can't eat them if the seal is >broken," the boy explained. "I'm looking for the seal." > >***** >Can people predict the future with cards? My mother can. >Really? Yes, she takes one look at my report card and >tells me what will happen when my father gets home. > >***** >A father was reading Bible stories to his young son. >He read, "The man named Lot was warned to take his >wife and flee out of the city, but his wife looked back >and was turned to salt." His son asked, "What >happened to the flea?" After the meeting, Johnny tells his parents he has to go and talk to the visiting speaker right away. They agree and the brother greets the = family. "Brother," Johnny says, "I heard you say today that our bodies came from the dust." "That's right, Johnny, I did." "And I heard you say that when we die, our bodies go back to dust." "Yes, I'm glad you were listening. Why do you ask?" "Well you better come over to our house right away and look under my bed 'cause there's someone either comin' or goin'!" Just for laughs A lawyer and a blonde are sitting next to each other on a long flight from LA to NY. The lawyer leans over to her and asks if she would like to play a fun game. The blonde just wants to take a nap, so she politely declined and rolls over to the window to catch a few winks. The lawyer persists and explains that the game is really easy and a lot of fun. He explains "I ask you a question, and if you don't know the answer, you pay me $5, and visa-versa." Again, she politely declines and tries to get some sleep. The lawyer, now somewhat agitated, says, "Okay, if you don't know the answer you pay me $5, and if I don't know the answer, I will pay you $50!" figuring that since she is a blonde that he will easily win the match. This catches the blonde's attention and, figuring that there will be no end to this torment unless she plays, agrees to the game. The lawyer asks the first question. "What's the distance from the earth to the moon?" The blonde doesn't say a word, reaches into her purse, pulls out a five-dollar bill and hands it to the lawyer. Now, it's the blonde's turn. She asks the lawyer "What goes up a hill with three legs, and comes down with four?" The lawyer looks at her with a puzzled look. He takes out his laptop computer and searches all his references. He taps into the Airphone with his modem and searches the Net and the Library of Congress. Frustrated, he sends E-mails to all his coworkers and friends he knows. All to no avail. After over an hour, he wakes the blonde and hands her $50. The blonde politely takes the $50 and turns away to get back to sleep. The lawyer, who is more than a little miffed, wakes the blonde and asks, "Well, so what IS the answer!?" Without a word, the blonde reaches into her purse, hands the lawyer $5, and goes back to sleep. >>A first grade teacher collected well-known proverbs. She gave each >>child in her class the first half of a proverb, and had them come up >>with the rest. Their insight may surprise you... >>-Better to be safe than.....Punch a 5th grader. >>-Strike While the.....Bug is close. >>-It's always darkest before.....Daylight Savings time. >>-Never underestimate the power of.....Termites. >>-You can lead a horse to water but.....how? >>-Don't bite the hand that.....looks dirty. >>-No news is.....impossible. >>-A miss is as good as a .....Mr. >>-You can't teach an old dog new.....math. >>-If you lie down with dogs, you'll.....stink in the morning. >>-Love all, trust.....me. >>-The pen is mightier than the .....pigs. >>-An idle mind is.....The best way to relax. >>-Where there's smoke there's.....Pollution. >>-Happy the bride who.....gets all the presents. >>-A penny saved is.....not much. >>-Two's company, three's.....the Musketeers. >>-Don't put off till tomorrow what.....you put on to go to bed. >>-Laugh and the whole world laughs with you, cry and.....you have to >>blowyour nose. >>-None are so blind as.....Helen Keller. >>-Children should be seen and not.....spanked or grounded. >>-If at first you don't succeed.....get new batteries. >>-You get out of something what you.....see pictured on the box. >>-When the blind leadeth the blind.....get out of the way. (sung to the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies) I Wanna Tell You All A Story About A Brother Named JED Poor Publisher Barely Kept His BIBLE READ Then One Day He Was Working DOOR TO DOOR When Up Come An Elder And Said ''YOU CAN DO MORE!'' SERVICE THAT IS------------ FULL TIME--------------------------- AWAY FROM HERE--------------------- Well, Next Thing You Know Old JED'S A PIONEER His Kinfolk Said: "Jed, Move Away From Here" Said: " New York Is The Place You Oughta Be" So He Loaded Up His Bag And Joined THE FAMILY BETHEL THAT IS---------------- BROOKLYN----------------------------- ( NOT THE FARM)----------------------- Now Here's A Message >From Jed's Ole Kin to YOU: "Sure Like To Have You Fill Out An Application Too" You Might Be Invited To Join THE FAMILY And Have A Heapin' Helpin' OF SPIRITUALITY BROOKLYN BETHELITES--------- THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL THEM NICE FOLKS ''Y'All Take A Tour Now, You Hear?'' Friends, I received the following message from my friend in Cali. I think it's worth paying an attention. THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED AT THE MOVIE THEATER. PLEASE CHECK YOUR CHAIRS WHEN GOING TO THE MOVIE THEATERS!!!! An incident occurred when a friends CO-worker went to sit in a chair and something was poking her. She got up and found that it was a needle with a little note at the end. It said "Welcome to the real world, you're "HIV POSITIVE". Doctors tested the needle and it was "HIV POSITIVE" Be cautious when going to the movies...Please check , one of the safest ways to check is moving the seat part way up & down a few times and REALLY LOOK!!! but NOT sticking your hands between the seats. Most of us plop down in the seats..... The following information was E-mailed to all employees of the Metro Police Dept. on 11/3/98. Pay telephones drug users are now taking their used needles and putting them into the coin return slots in public telephones. People are putting their fingers in to recover coins or just to check if anyone left change. They are getting stuck by these needles and infected with hepatitis, HIV and other diseases. This message is posted to make everyone aware of this danger. Be aware!!! The change isn't worth it! This information came straight from phone company workers, through the EMT instructor. Make sure you share this information with your family and any one else you can!!!! >A man was sleeping at night in his cabin when suddenly he heard avoice >> that trembled like the thunder. It was God's voice and he told theman >> he had work for him to do, and showed him a large rock in front ofhis >> cabin.God explained that the man was to push against the rock withall >> his might. This the man did, day after day. For many years he toiled >> from sun up to sun down, his shoulders set squarely against the cold, >> massive surface of the unmoving rock, pushing with all his might.> >> Each night the man returned to his cabin sore, and worn out, feeling >> that his whole day had been spent in vain. Seeing that the man was >> showing signs of discouragement, the Satan decided to enter >thepicture >> by placing thoughts into the man's weary mind: "You have been pushing >> against that rock for a long time, and it hasn't budged. Why kill >> yourself over this? You are never going to move it." Thus giving the >> man the impression that the task was impossible and that he was a >> failure, these thoughts discouraged and disheartened the man. >"Whykill >> myself over this?" he thought. "I'll just put in my time, giving just >> the minimum effort and that will be good enough."> >> And that he planned to do until one day he decided to make it a matter >> of prayer and take his troubled thoughts to God. "God", he said, "I >> have labored long and hard in your service, putting all my strengthto >> do that which you have asked. Yet, after all this time, I have >noteven >> budged that rock by half a millimeter. What is wrong? Why am I> >failing?"> >> God responded compassionately, "My friend, when I asked you to serveme >> and you accepted, I told you that your task was to push against the >> rock with all your strength, which you have done. Never once did I >> mention to you that I expected you to move it. Your task was to push. >> And now you come to me, with your strength spent, thinking that you >> have failed. But, is that really so?"> >> "Look at yourself. Your arms are strong and muscled, your back sinewed >> and brown, your hands are callused from constant pressure, and your >> legs have become massive and hard. Through opposition you have grown >> much and your abilities now surpass that which you used to have. Yet >> you haven't moved the rock. But your calling was to be obedient andto >> push and to exercise your faith and trust in My wisdom. This you have >> done." "I, my friend, will now move the rock."> >> At times when we read the scriptures, we tend to use our own intellect >> to decipher what He wants, when actually what God wants is justsimple >> obedience and faith in Him....... By all means, exercise the faiththat >> moves mountains, but it is still God who moves the mountains.> > >> South African Bethel --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --part0_918002526_boundary-- --0-1255179497-918014915=:3408--  1,, Summary-line: 3-Feb mhpower@MIT.EDU #Re: squid cache server proposal Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA01973; Wed, 3 Feb 99 03:30:41 EST Received: from CHARON.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12695; Wed, 3 Feb 99 03:30:38 EST Received: (from mhpower@localhost) by charon.MIT.EDU (8.7.6/2.3JIK) id DAA21061; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 03:30:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 03:30:44 -0500 From: mhpower@MIT.EDU Message-Id: <199902030830.DAA21061@charon.MIT.EDU> To: mwhitson@MIT.EDU Cc: sipb-machine-room@MIT.EDU, squid@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: squid cache server proposal In-Reply-To: "[0174] in SIPB machine room issues" *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 03:30:44 -0500 From: mhpower@MIT.EDU To: mwhitson@MIT.EDU Cc: sipb-machine-room@MIT.EDU, squid@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: squid cache server proposal In-Reply-To: "[0174] in SIPB machine room issues" > Digital/Compaq 21164/433au workstation ... > - It will run Digital Unix, NetBSD, Linux, or even OpenVMS ... > ... For a less critical server, having the ability to >install a vanilla copy of the OS and restore from tape backup should >suffice. I'm very much in favor of running NetBSD or Linux on an alpha machine as an alternative to using Solaris. The reasons are mostly the same as I mentioned on January 5 (in [0157]) -- generally that the availability of full source code makes it easier to address a variety of potential problems in the areas of security, maintainability, and performance. I have one NetBSD/alpha machine and four Linux/alpha machines. Of the two, I prefer NetBSD/alpha, but I'd rather not present all the general NetBSD vs. Linux issues in this message. (If you're able to comment on whether you, or other people at MIT, have or might later have access to Digital Unix source code, I'd be very interested in knowing about source-code access possibilities.) Certainly in the case of no source-code access, I do not believe that choosing Digital Unix for new server machines is a good idea. In the past few weeks, there has been what I think is the first-ever public discussion of exploitable buffer overflows in Digital Unix -- for example, see: http://www.mit.edu:8008/menelaus/bt/9221 http://www.mit.edu:8008/menelaus/bt/9256 http://www.mit.edu:8008/menelaus/bt/9306 http://www.mit.edu:8008/bloom-picayune/alpha-osf-managers/1890 There quite likely aren't any yet-discovered security problems that would necessarily affect a web cache server. However, in the early stages of discovery of security holes in operating systems that haven't yet had much previous public security discussion, it is relatively hard to keep up with security patches, to the extent that there could be an operational impact on the stability of the service (and perhaps other machines on the network). One issue that makes this a particular problem for Digital Unix is that, as far as I know, Compaq does not generally provide prompt public access to security patches. With most other Unix vendors, there is public access as soon as a security patch is announced (or, in the case of Sun, typically long before the patch is announced), but with Compaq I think typical delays are on the order of a few to several months. For example, see http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/alpha-osf-managers/1998/09/msg00714.html http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/alpha-osf-managers/1998/11/msg00000.html (I would definitely be interested in any contrary evidence, i.e., any public patches for new Digital Unix security problems.) At MIT, I think one can usually get Digital Unix patches via the people in N42 who administer the MIT side of Compaq's Education Software Library program -- however, I don't believe they have the resources to obtain patches promptly and make announcements of their availability. For other people at MIT to obtain direct access to the patches costs (last I heard) somewhere over $2000/year per person. It's possible that there might be, for some period of time, an overlap between persons maintaining alpha servers for sipb and persons maintaining alpha servers for another part of IS that can easily get any Digital Unix patches that it wants. However, I don't think it's a good idea for sipb to start operating a Digital Unix server on the belief that this overlap might exist or might continue in place. I'm not "opposed to" Digital Unix. If sipb wanted a Digital Unix office machine for testing your Athena port, looking at the security issues, or whatever else, I think that'd be fine. I personally have to maintain some Digital Unix machines in particular because I have multiprocessor alpha hardware on which neither Linux nor NetBSD runs. Still, I think the current security concerns and Compaq's patch policy make this a bad time to deploy new Digital Unix servers. Matt  1,, Summary-line: 3-Feb stanley.german@db.com #LOOM Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10403; Wed, 3 Feb 99 12:51:03 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16161; Wed, 3 Feb 99 12:51:21 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA13367; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:50:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:50:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <0525670D.00602FD0.00@dbogw1-e1.srv.na.deuba.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: stanley.german@db.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: stanley.german@db.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: LOOM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:50:58 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: stanley.german@db.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: stanley.german@db.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: LOOM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Thanks for the welcome. I have been pleasantly surprised by the number of people who remember LOOM, some of them with a degree of affection, others have written asking for more information about this company, its history, etc. I wrote a letter last night that got a little out of hand and turned into an epic. This past weekend marked the anniversery of the death of Raymond Allen, who played the Koko rolls there for over twenty years, and a lot of memories have been knocking around. So, if there is anyone who wants to know, read on. Otherwise, this is a great time to hit the delete button! I'll try to do this as briefly as possible, but things may get a little complex...heaven knows they did in real life! The Light Opera of Manhattan came into being around 1968 in the living room of William Mount-Burke in his apartment located just off Central Park here in New York. He and some musical friends had simply said those magic words, "Wouldn't it be fun if ...." The first performance was a production of PIRATES with cardboard sets and makeshift costumes. The company was made up mostly of music teachers and a few avid G&S fans. Mount-Burke had a delightful sense of style with some off-beat originality and the audience that saw the first production urged him to continue. He borrowed some money, built some very simple sets for PIRATES, PINAFORE and MIKADO and, quite frankly, took his shows on the road, performing for private parties, high school assemblies, etc. with his trusted little band of singers (and a couple of rather brilliant pianists). Somewhere around this time Mount-Burke met Raymond Allen, who had sung with American Savoyards during the 50's and was mentored by Martyn Green. Raymond took on all the Grossmith roles and continued on with "LOOM" until the end. Also added to the team was a young(ish) Broadway dancer named Jerry Gotham who came on board as the assistant director/choreographer/stage manager and would also stay with the company until the end in the late 1980's. The company finally found a home in the basement of the Jan Hus Church on East 74th Street in Manhattan and quickly developed a cult following for their tiny, but brilliantly staged and sung productions, accompanied by now with piano (a savant named Brian Molloy who carried the entire repertoire in his head and never used sheet music after the first rehearsal of any show) and Mount-Burke conducting from the organ and occasionally doubling in percussion, if necessary. The company continued adding G&S to their repertoire until they were performing 7 shows a week, 52 weeks a year. In 1974, Mount-Burke came backstage on a Saturday night and asked for a company meeting immediately after the performance. When the show was over a very bewildered company gathered in the lobby waiting for Mount-Burke, who came in without a word and gestured for the company to follow him. No one knew what he was doing, but they followed him down the block and across the street to the shuttered jewel box theatre called The Eastside Playhouse (actually an extension of the famous Manhattan Theatre Club which opened onto 73rd Street behind). He produced a key, unlocked the theatre, led the company into the tiny mirrored lobby and announced, "Welcome to your new home!" LOOM was soon comfortably settled into their little 280 seat theatre, complete with cracking plaster sculptures and now they continued to grow in popularity in New York. LOOM was the Mecca for the young performers, sometimes they came to auditions with their suitcases! And they were paid a stunning $25 a week to perform 7 shows a week while rehearsing the next to coming shows. (Salaries would actually improve over the coming years, but very few would ever be able to work at LOOM without holding down the proverbial "Day Job".) Usually a production would run for one or two weeks at a time with a change over between the Sunday matinee and the Wednesday matinees with technical and dress rehearsals squeezed in. I had moved to New York in 1975 and immediately became a regular LOOMIE, i.e. at a time when I could barely make enough to pay rent and eat, I could always find money for a balcony seat on Friday night! I dreamed of being able to work there, but their staff seemed solidly in place, so apart from sending them the occasional resume, I remained an enthusiastic audience member. It was around this time that stories of Mount-Burke's psychotic temper fits and drinking bouts began to circulate among people in the business. As it turned out, they were only partially true. Bill had diabetes and had begun to decline rapidly. Occasionally his blood chemistry would simply go awry and he would go into terrible and frightening rages. The drinking was even more false, since alcohol would have killed him outright in his situation, but the truth was much worse: Mount-Burke was going blind at a rapid rate. Around this time (1979, I think) when Bill complained to one of his actors that he was dying of exhaustion and needed someone to take over some of his duties, the actor, who had worked with me in the past, suggested that he get in touch with me, which he did. I was already under contract for the next four months with another company and could not begin work until the following September. By the time I joined the company, Bill had all the G&S operas in rep except UTOPIA and DUKE and had expanded the bill of fare to include the works of Lehar, Friml, Romberg, Herbert, Strauss and Offenbach. Around this time, Mount-Burke completely lost his sight, but was able to stage and direct by memory. Freed from the confines of the printed page, Bill's musical direction soared and a certain brilliance and freedom which he had never had before began to appear. At the same time, his disease began to work on his mind and he became paranoid that someone would try to take the company away from him and he protected himself by freezing all the productions. No one was allowed to vary from the staging in any shape or form and any kind of suggestion of something new was greeted either by withering silence or violent outbursts. Jerry Gotham remained faithful to Bill in this area and, although Jerry had little creative ability himself in terms of staging, he was nothing less than terrifying in his ability to recreate the productions done in the past. Jerry became the standard of the status quo. Ray Allen, on the other hand, remained active as a director and comedian, but refused to rock the boat. Ray was far too comfortable to risk a squall and allowed the company to spiral down into a bog of inertia. I was considerably younger (thank God) and determined to keep the productions from icing over, which resulted in some harsh confrontations with Jerry and occasionally with Bill himself. In the meantime, I had exercised my abilities as an orchestrator and created arrangements for a small ensemble to augment the keyboards. Even so, my relationship with the Jerry continued to deteriorate and I finally resigned, knowing that nothing was ever going to change. About six months later, Bill called me and asked me to return. I made some contractual demands to which he agreed (audibly through clinched teeth) and I went back, actually believing I could make a difference. Bill continued to deteriorate and finally his kidneys failed, he went through an agonising period of dialysis and became weaker and weaker. On the first performance of a production of Princess Ida, Bill conducted the first act, with me at the organ. At the end of the act, he turned to me, handed me his baton and said "It's your show, now." This turned out to be prophetic as he never conducted the company again, although he continued to work from his office at the back of the balcony and maintained strict, if paranoid, control on artistic quality. Once again Jerry Gotham and I had locked horns on a regular basis, and after an old back injury resurfaced and I had been reduced to being carried in and out of the pit, I resigned again. (The house manager told me that a little blue haired lady from New Jersey had grabbed him by the arm and demanded, "I know the other one's blind, but what's wrong with this one?")A few months later Bill obtained a kidney transplant, but died a few days later. The company could have gone on indefinitely, but the East Side Playhouse was sold by its owners to make way for a new apartment building and both the Playhouse and the Theatre Club were to be torn down. LOOM limped from place to place (high school auditoriums, etc.) before settling into the famous Cherry Lane Theatre in Greenwich Village. The theatre sits on a tree lined street away from traffic with cobblestone pavement and gas lamps lining the street. It is very much like stepping through some kind of time portal, and what place could have been better for a Gilbert & Sullivan company, with an occasional Merry Widow or Rose Marie thrown in for good measure. Although the company was perfect for the Cherry Lane, the Cherry Lane was dead wrong for LOOM. The seating capacity was less than 200 and little by little over the years, the company had become completely professional and ultimately unionized. It had now become impossible to make the weekly nut unless every seat was sold for every performance. The situation became hopeless and the theatre was finally padlocked. (In a rare moment of foresight, they managed to get the sets and costumes for a couple of the shows smuggled out of the theatre in the dead of night!) LOOM would perform a few times more, including a heartbreaking two weeks back at The Eastside Playhouse, not yet torn down, and (false) rumors that the theatre might be saved circulated among the faithful. By a really nasty turn of fate, I happened to be walking down East 74th Street on a business errand one afternoon and turned the corner just in time to see the wrecking ball crash through the front facade. I sat on the front steps of the Jan Hus smoking cigarettes for about an hour and watched the lobby go, Bill's office collapse, the auditorium crumble and finally all the rubble come crashing down into what had been my dressing room. I kept waiting for some kind of emotional outburst from myself, but I was emotionally numb. I simply got up and went back to my office. Ray Allen lived into his late 70's (and a little light weight senility) before his death. In a strange twist, Jerry Gotham and I were to meet a few more times and actually be civil, or maybe even friendly, with each other before his sudden death from cancer a few years ago. LOOM was a special memory for everyone who ever worked there, and in many cases for the audience members who remained so very faithful all those years. The rigid discipline exercised there trained many young talents who would go on to stage, television and screen. I know Ray Allen would have been particularly proud of his prodigy Robert Cuciolli, who was nominated for a Tony for his starring role(s) in JECKEL [sp?] AND HYDE on Broadway. I don't believe I've done this. I have always promised that one day I would sit down at a typewriter and sketch out this story, and now I have done it to send to a total stranger. Thanks for your indulgence. And thanks for asking. I'll bet you're sorry you asked, huh. Stan  1,, Summary-line: 3-Feb pstark@furniture.com #RE: LOCALIZATION,WEB,NETWORK,TRANSLATION Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03878; Wed, 3 Feb 99 16:10:18 EST Received: from mail1.furnituresite.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20854; Wed, 3 Feb 99 16:10:16 EST Received: by mail1.furnituresite.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1HCXRAQC>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:04:55 -0500 Message-Id: <210D83C9C26AD211A2020008C74CCBE7146CA0@mail1.furnituresite.com> From: Peter Stark To: "'David C. Jedlinsky'" Subject: RE: LOCALIZATION,WEB,NETWORK,TRANSLATION Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:04:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: Peter Stark To: "'David C. Jedlinsky'" Subject: RE: LOCALIZATION,WEB,NETWORK,TRANSLATION Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:04:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks. I thought you'd get a kick out of it. Something was thrown seriously out of whack in my lower back when I had the car accident, and these treatments have helped. I can sit comfortably now, but I can't stand for very long without considerable pain. All this started about a week after the accident; until then, I just felt as thought the muscles were very tight. But it's considerably better than it was. I keep thinking about those auditions for Forum, a show I'd give my eye teeth to do, but I don't think I can manage it. My company is doing a bit better right now, though no one knows what job security will be, because they're hiring VPs by the carload and dumping middle management and sales force people. It's tough when I've overheard that someone is going to be let go and I hear the person talking about how happy he/she is finally to have a job... Plus, our corporate offices are moving to Framingham in a few months. But we've had an infusion of venture capital, so I'm probably safe for the nonce, though not long term. I've had a number of interviews amidst all this, so perhaps I'll find a better paying job. Regards to Ruth. Peter. > -----Original Message----- > From: David C. Jedlinsky [mailto:opus@mit.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 4:04 PM > To: Peter Stark > Subject: Re: LOCALIZATION,WEB,NETWORK,TRANSLATION > > > > Hi Peter. > > Cute site. > > Hopefully, the end of the back treatments indicates your return to > pre-accident health? > > -Dave >  1,, Summary-line: 4-Feb stanley.german@db.com #RE: LOOM Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12925; Thu, 4 Feb 99 12:52:19 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11066; Thu, 4 Feb 99 12:52:39 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA24183; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:52:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:52:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <0525670E.005CD570.00@dbogw1-e1.srv.na.deuba.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: stanley.german@db.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: stanley.german@db.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: RE: LOOM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:52:08 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: stanley.german@db.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: stanley.german@db.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: RE: LOOM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Dear Philip: I stand corrected! I knew I was getting old, but this is ridiculous. Utopia had been performed at LOOM a few times -- each production getting shorter and shorter!!! The Grand Duke was to be the culmination of the 1979 Festival! I only have this as backstage tattle, but the Festival seems to have been something between The Comedy of Errors and The Carnival of the Animals. The idea of producing the entire canon during this period probably looked good, but towards the end, the company had reached brain death. Mount-Burke in desperation cut most of the choral responses in Utopia so the ensemble would have less to learn and more time to concentrate on Duke, which was to premier with much hooha! In fact, the costumes had been redone from other productions and the set was actually The Student Prince set. (Finances dictated this kind of thing on more than one occasion: Utopia Ltd/Desert Song; The Gondoliers/A Night in Venice, etc.) Side track for a moment: The company was reaching total collapse learning an opera a week and were actually coaching each other in the dressing rooms during the evening performance. One evening, the men's ensemble was working so intently on something that they did not hear the places call for the men's chorus entrance in Act II of The Mikado. The music began for the Mikado's entrance (piped into the dressing rooms via intercom) and the lights came up on a stage populated only by a somewhat stunned Mikado (Vachek Pazdera) and Katisha (Ethelmae Turner, I think) and in the wings Pooh-Bah (Jim Webber or Julio Rosario), KoKo (Ray Allen) and Pitti-Sing (probably Joan Lader) frantically motioning to the stage manager. The sound of the music must have been enough to wake up the ensemble, because there was a thunder of Japanese sandals clicking up the iron stairs from the basement, with chorus members entering from any entrance they could find, jumping over pieces of scenery if necessary, pulling on parts of their costumes and desperately pulling down their wigs. Vachek is a wonderful bass, but has never been real great on self control and he procedes to fall apart. Ethelmae flips open her large fan in front of her face and KEEPS IT THERE for the entire scene and NOBODY can sing a note! By this point, even the girls' chorus is up for grabs. Mount-Burke had done everything he could think of to train the ensembles for The Grand Duke, but he never knew that the ensemble had taken matters into their own hands and divided up the score among them. Each tenor, or alto, or bass, etc. would learn one or two of the choruses and sing out bravely while the rest of the ensemble mouthed the words. In other words: I'll do the opening chorus of Act II if you'll do JOLLY COURT! As the performances progressed, of course, everyone learned all the parts. Talk about ON THE JOB TRAINING! I joined the company the following fall. I apologize for getting my dates off, but some evenings after a long day the company would gather at Finnegan's on First Avenue, order beers and tell tales of The Festival. Jim Webber's murder nearly destroyed us all. He had performed the Father in BABES IN TOYLAND once evening and on his way home had stopped at a bank machine for cash (at 11:30 p.m.!) and then cut across a corner of Central Park to his car. He was approached by a young man who demanded the money from him. Jim refused, the young man pulled out a gun and made his demand again, Jim refused again and the young man shot him. He then took Jim's money and partially disrobed the body to make it appear that Jim had been involved in some kind of promiscuous sex act gone wrong. Jim's family heard about it on the TV before anyone could get to them and had to endure the inuendo. Ultimately the young man was captured after murdering another five people, and was sent to prison. It was actually long enough ago that, God help us, he could be out by now. Jim was a big bear of a comic and frequently had to be called on the carpet for going too far, but he was a good man, and a respected teacher in the public schools as well. Don't size me up for a straightjacket on this, but I (and others) for a year or more afterward used to catch glimpses of someone who looked like Jim standing in the wings dressed as the Pirate King! Draw your own conclusions. Vachek is still very much alive and I see in the paper from time to time that he is performing either in an Oratorio or in some small opera company somewhere. As I mentioned before, Vachek could be broken up with more ease than anyone else in the company, but one afternoon he nearly ended the career of a young baritone named Robert Barker. Barker was quite young, but looked somewhat more mature and as a result on this occasion was playing Captain Corcoran. Barker would not tolerate any kind of foolery on the stage from anyone, least of all himself. On this matinee performance Barker and Vachek finished up THE MERRY MAIDEN with perhaps a little more of a flourish than usual and when Barker turned away from Vachek (Dick Deadeye), the cat-o-nine-tails tangled in Dick's hook and performed a very effective amputation. This would have been touchy enough, except that the force of the turn hurled the hook into something like the fourth row of the audience. While Bob stared in stunned disbelief, Vachek began whimpering like a wounded puppy, climbed off the stage, went up the aisle, climbed over a number of audience members (still whimpering) and retrieved his hook. He then returned (still whimpering) to the stage where he proceded to "screw it" back onto its base on his arm and then turned very casually to Barker, ready to continue to scene. Whereas Barker had maintained up until now, he suddenly burst out laughing...and could not stop! I'm sure there is some kind of chemical/medical explanation for what was happening, but his laughter was feeding on itself and, although I could see the fury in his eyes, he continued laughing to the final curtain. The audience, actually, was very kind about it. Unfortunately Mount-Burke had been auditing the performance from his office, and being blind, could not understand anything except that his leading man was laughing on stage. It took some rather intense explanations from Raymond Allen and myself to cool Bill down enough not to fire Barker on the spot. For the evening performance, Barker was steel cold and determined (to say nothing of downright testy backstage) and once he hit the stage he was in command again! When Vachek made his entrance, I watched in horror as Bob began to stiffle yet another set of giggles, but somehow he managed to convert them into one sound (squawk/hiccup) and regain composure and continue on. Now it was the rest of the company that was breaking up! Stan  1,, Summary-line: 4-Feb jcb@MIT.EDU #Fwd: There's no bidniz... - Forward Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26001; Thu, 4 Feb 99 13:24:22 EST Received: from mermaid.shore.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA04542; Thu, 4 Feb 99 13:24:12 EST Received: from pm4-2-178.port.shore.net (VIOLA) [207.244.111.178] by mermaid.shore.net with smtp (Exim) for gsp-discuss@mit.edu id 108TRc-0003H2-00; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:24:08 -0500 To: gsp-discuss@MIT.EDU Subject: Fwd: There's no bidniz... - Forward From: "Jeff Bigler" Sender: jbigler@shore.net X-Zippy: -- In 1962, you could buy a pair of SHARKSKIN SLACKS, with a ``Continental Belt,'' for $10.99!! Reply-To: jcb@MIT.EDU Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:24:08 -0500 *** EOOH *** To: gsp-discuss@MIT.EDU Subject: Fwd: There's no bidniz... - Forward From: "Jeff Bigler" Sender: jbigler@shore.net X-Zippy: -- In 1962, you could buy a pair of SHARKSKIN SLACKS, with a ``Continental Belt,'' for $10.99!! Reply-To: jcb@MIT.EDU Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:24:08 -0500 ------- Start of forwarded message ------- [multiple sets of headers deleted] Things that are just never said: By the stage manager: It looks as though there'll be time for a third dress rehearsal. Take your time getting back from break. We've been ready for hours. No, I called that perfectly the first time- let's move on. The headsets are working perfectly. The cue lights are working perfectly. The orchestra has no complaints. The whole company is standing by whenever you want them. That didn't take long. No thanks I don't drink. By the producer: Of course there's enough money to go around. We have money left over. No thanks, I don't drink. By the director: Wow, the designers were right on, weren't they? No, today is the tech rehearsal, we'll re-work that scene later. I think the scene changes are too fast. Of course I think that we'll be ready in time for opening. The crew? Why they're just wonderful! No thanks, I don't drink. By the designers: Of course all of my drawings were turned in on time. Yes, it is absolutely my fault the set looks awful. You know, you might have a point there. The director knows best, obviously I wasn't giving him what he wants. We have too many gel colors in stock, I can't choose. Of course the shop will have the costumes ready on time. No thanks, I don't drink. By the technical director: This is the most complete and informative set of drawings I've ever seen. We built it right the first time. No problem, I'll deal with that right away. I love designers. No thanks, I don't drink. By the singers: Don't...Let's not talk about me. Really, I think my big aria should be cut. This costume is SO comfortable. I love my shoes. No problem. I can do that for myself. I have a fantastic agent. Let me sing down here with my back to the audience. I'm sure someone told me there was a wall here, I just forgot. Without the crew the show would never run; let's thank them. No thanks, I don't drink. By the stage crew: That instrument is not in the way. There's room for that over here. We'll get in early tomorrow to do it. No, no I'm sure that is our job. Anything I can do to help? All the tools are carefully locked away. Can we do that scene change again please? It's a marvelous show. I don't need this many on the crew. No thanks, I don't drink. By the orchestra members: Wow, the strings and the woodwinds are perfectly in tune. The saxophones are fine. In fact they could play louder. This is fine. I have plenty of room. These chairs are amazingly comfortable. This stand light is great. I can see the music perfectly. What a terrific conductor...so clear...so easy to follow. I like sitting in front of the brass section. Then I can properly hear everything they are playing. The air in this orchestra pit is so refreshing. We don't need a break now. Let's keep playing until we finish this act so we can keep the flow going and save time in the long run. What a super dancer. The tempos are rock solid. What a great cast, all able to act and sing so well too! No thanks, I don't drink. By the lawyers: No, please take all the time you need drafting that agreement. My client's in no hurry to get paid - just whenever you get around to it. Sure, we can pay your client without delay. I'm sorry I lost my temper earlier. That's so unlike me. Lunch is on me, I insist. No thanks I don't drink. ------- End of forwarded message -------  1,, Summary-line: 4-Feb stanley.german@db.com #Re: LOOM Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA17304; Thu, 4 Feb 99 16:40:45 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11471; Thu, 4 Feb 99 16:40:43 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA01759; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:39:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:39:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <0525670E.00761DF3.00@dbogw1-e1.srv.na.deuba.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: stanley.german@db.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: stanley.german@db.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: LOOM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:39:57 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: stanley.german@db.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: stanley.german@db.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: LOOM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum I am going to get a response out on this thing today or die trying! Thank you for your lovely response. I have had to do some deep memory digging to come up with an answer. The woman you are speaking of, I do not remember her name, nor would I use it under these circumstances, was only with the company for a comparatively short period of time. Bill had always hoped that his eyesight would miraculously be restored, and indeed he did have bizarre, taunting little moments when his vision would return for microseconds ... a cruel joke from his body. After he realized that he would not see again, he did indeed hire a number of visually challenged people. Probably no one realized that Vachek Pazdera was almost totally blind and could only see a musical score by holding it six inches from his eyes under bright light with a magnifying glass! To his credit, this never stopped him from learning new parts in a professional and reliable manner! We had a stage manager who was "legally" blind and proved to be probably one of the best, if not the best, stage managers to ever work with the company. Occasionally a barb would rise out of the women's chorus dressing room and one of them was a statement to the effect of "The blind leading the blind leading the blind leading the blind." If you and I are thinking of the same woman, she was the first attempt to put someone with sight problems into a chorus situation. The girls in the chorus, capable of being catty, if not downright nasty, closed ranks and were determined to help this woman through whatever problems might arise. I took some care when coaching the female chorus to make sure that she was keeping up with the rest of the group. As I recall, the voice wasn't bad, but she had come equipped with personal issues of such magnatude as to make her thoroughly unpleasant to work with. We probably botched the job, but frankly the harder we tried to help her, the more acid and unpleasant she became until no one could even try any more. In view of her situation (and Bill's) she was given every opportunity possible, but ultimately she resigned from the company and practically everyone heaved a sigh of relief. I'm sorry to burst your bubble on this matter. HOWEVER: If you had been looking at the other side of the stage that day, you might have been shedding the same tears that the company were shedding -- tears of barely repressed laughter. The story is a little bittersweet. One of the women in the chorus had a hellish homelife: an abusive husband (I think they were married), a drug addicted daughter and God only knows what else. She found solace in two things, singing in the chorus at LOOM and booze. The worst part of it was that she could perform more reliably dead drunk than some of the choristers could cold sober. We were doing Ida, I suspect the run that you referenced above, and Joan (not her real name) arrived at the theatre in the late morning for the rehearsal for the next week's show, before the matinee and final performance of that run of Ida. She was blind, roaring drunk and had absolutely no idea of her own condition. It was a lovely spring day and she went out into the alley by the stage door, sat down in a folding chair someone had left there and promptly passed out. We all just said a tacet prayer that she would sleep through the entire performance and we quiety notified one of the other girls that she would have to say Ada's one line. The factor we had not taken into consideration was that, like several of us who had spent a number of years in a theatre, Joan was a "warhorse". Something in her biological clock goes off when half hour is called and she staggered into the dressing room to put on her makeup and costume for Act I. Joan had actually been with the company from the first Pirates in Bill's living room and no one was about to tell her she could not go on. She needed it too much and although we tactfully suggested that she might want to take the afternoon off, she insisted she would be fine and finished dressing and then toddled up the stairs to the stage. The performance began solidly enough but about ten minutes in I began to hear whispers and subdued giggles behind me in the audience. I prayed I was wrong, but I was not wrong: Joan was functioning perfectly on stage, but it was perfectly obvious that she could not focus on anything in front of her and to make matters worse, when she was standing still, she was weaving -- describing little circles in the air with her head. She looked like she was balancing on some kind of giant spring! Before the second act began we were practically force feeding her black coffee in the dressing room over her protests that she was perfectly fine. By the end of the second act there was NO ONE in the audience who was not riveted on her every move. In the pit we were falling alternately between abject humiliation and stiffled laughter. The company itself was barely above to contain themselves, even more to the delight of the audience. (By the way, at the end of the first act as Gama and the boys were chained up, Bob Cuccioli as Guron held up his chains to (Gama) Raymond Allen and ad libbed a plaintive "Daddy!!". Raymond looked across the stage to the weaving chorus girl and started for his exit returning, "Oh, shut up. I've got problems of my own." By the beginning of the third act, the entire company was in chaos. Ida was barely containing her fury at being constantly upstaged by a drunken chorus girl, the majority of the company was exhausted from holding in laughter and Joan continued to be blissfully unaware that anything was wrong. The coffee we had fed her had, as coffee can sometimes do, actually made matters worse and now she bordering on the incoherent. The curtain went up on Act III with the girls wearing Wagnerian winged helmuts. Somehow on the way to the stage she had bumped into something and had one wing pointing up and one wing pointing down. We had all just about regained our composure when Joan, as Ada, stepped forward from the chorus (still weaving in those tiny little circles) to say, "Please you, ma'am, the band don't feel well and can't come out today!" with a line reading unmatched in a hundred years of G&S history. I am happy to report that the audience disolved into more than a minute of hopeless laughter. Happy, because there was now no one left onstage capable of uttering a sound. The soldiers are bracing themselves with their spears, Ida has turned upstage along with Melissa and Psyche and Lady Blanche is having to support herself against the procenium arch. After an eternity, Gama jumped in with whatever was his next available line to challenge the three princes and turns to Arac (Vachek) to takes a deep breath and repeats Gama's last line word for word. By now, anybody who is not looking at Joan is looking at Vachek who's eyes make it perfectly clear that he is completely at sea with no idea of what to say. (Arac has one line in the entire opera!) Ida has fled the stage and is laughing with tears coming down her face in the wings and we have to start the chorus with no one able to sing. After the sword fight, Ida (Georgia McEver) storms back onto the stage and charges through her lines like a wounded buffalo. Everyone realizes that she is right...there is now no hope of salvaging anything and the only thing we can do now is get the curtain down as quickly as possible and go out for a drink....or maybe take in an Alcoholics Annonymous meeting. We survived to take curtain calls. The audience by now was weak with laughter and we received at least a partial standing ovation! This would be my last IDA (possibly the last IDA) at LOOM and heaven knows we went out with a bang. There are certain memories which one would not trade for anything on earth. Regards Stan doxite@netlabs.net on 02/03/99 07:48:28 PM Please respond to doxite@netlabs.net To: savoynet@bridgewater.edu cc: Subject: Re: LOOM Thanks to Stan for the LOOM story. I lived in Brooklyn for the first twenty years of my life and enjoyed LOOM, both at the Jan Hus and the small theater venue. For a young man of limited means, it was a wonderful bargain to have access to [mostly] the entire canon. I often wondered what happened and feel saddened to learn of the manner of Mount-Burke's decline. When I had first logged on to Savoynet several years ago, I inquired about the very touching performance I'd witnessed of Mount-Burke's staging of "Princess Ida" with a young woman in the chorus, who appeared to be blind. If he was also going blind at the time it is all the more irony, particularly with the following lines: "We are blind, and we would see." and "Endow with sight, Their unillumined eyes" Listening to the blind maiden sing the first line truly caused a big lump to catch in my throat, and tears to glisten on the lids. How say you, Stan? What's the story behind this? Chris Papa  1,, Summary-line: 4-Feb dennisj@charter-ne.com #Family news Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23021; Thu, 4 Feb 99 18:15:52 EST Received: from tics1.charter-ne.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25892; Thu, 4 Feb 99 18:16:13 EST Received: (from bin@localhost) by tics1.charter-ne.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA13525 for David Jedlinsky ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:14:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dennisj@charter-ne.com) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:14:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902042314.SAA13525@tics1.charter-ne.com> Subject: Family news To: David Jedlinsky From: dennis jedlinsky Organization: Charter Communications *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:14:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Family news To: David Jedlinsky From: dennis jedlinsky Organization: Charter Communications Thought I would update you with what's going on with your two Grandmothers. Gram Pray has to go back to Emory to have an operation on her eye. They found a tumor behind the retina last year & she had a laser procedure done hoping to kill it. But it only partially shrunk and is advancing in the diretion of the optic nerve so they will have to do a bigger operation to take care of it. I think she goes in next Tuesday and will be in the hospital for 5 days. I don't know if I told you, but your Gram J's sister Rosie died of cancer 2 weeks ago in Florida. They only diagnosed it at Thanksgiving but it was so advanced they couldn't treat it at all. Then her sister Patty had to go into the hospital in Cleveland with breathing problems. They drained fluid from around the lungs and then had to put in a chest tube to keep draining fluid building up. They still don't know the cause, but she is also having a problem with her diaphragm that was contributimg to the breathing difficulties. If you get a chance, you might want to give your Grams a call, and drop a card to Patty: Mrs Vernon Hertzing 3118 Ruby Ave Cleveland, OH 44109  1,, Summary-line: 5-Feb mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Anagrams to Ponder... Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18750; Fri, 5 Feb 99 12:21:12 EST Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07687; Fri, 5 Feb 99 12:21:33 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 108ovn-0003bK-00; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:20:41 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:19:41 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: 'Daddy' , 'Amy Allen' , 'Cathlin Davis' , 'Dan J' , 'David Craven' , 'David J' , 'Elizabeth Evans & Peter Emery' , 'Eitan' , 'Everett Doner' , 'Gwyn Aubrey' , 'Irv Hodgkin' , 'Janice Dallas' , 'Jen Graham' , 'Karen Potasnik' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'Leta Hall' , 'Lisa Blocher' , 'Marc Shepherd' , 'Marisa Green' , 'Mitch Scott Gilett' , 'moshe' , 'NEFF' , 'Paul' , 'Rafe' , 'Rebecca C' , 'rice' , 'sam silvers' , 'Scott Hale' , 'sinasohn' , 'snyder' , 'sooz' , 'stevemartin' , "'Adina @ Work'" Subject: FW: Anagrams to Ponder... Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:19:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: 'Daddy' , 'Amy Allen' , 'Cathlin Davis' , 'Dan J' , 'David Craven' , 'David J' , 'Elizabeth Evans & Peter Emery' , 'Eitan' , 'Everett Doner' , 'Gwyn Aubrey' , 'Irv Hodgkin' , 'Janice Dallas' , 'Jen Graham' , 'Karen Potasnik' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'Leta Hall' , 'Lisa Blocher' , 'Marc Shepherd' , 'Marisa Green' , 'Mitch Scott Gilett' , 'moshe' , 'NEFF' , 'Paul' , 'Rafe' , 'Rebecca C' , 'rice' , 'sam silvers' , 'Scott Hale' , 'sinasohn' , 'snyder' , 'sooz' , 'stevemartin' , "'Adina @ Work'" Subject: FW: Anagrams to Ponder... Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:19:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain These are really good! @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products [Rica Mendes-Barry] > Dormitory Dirty Room > > > Desperation A Rope Ends It > > > The Morse Code Here Come Dots > > > Slot Machines Cash Lost in 'em > > > Animosity Is No Amity > > > Mother-in-law Woman Hitler :) > > > Snooze Alarms Alas! No More Z's > > > Alec Guinness Genuine Class > > > Semolina Is No Meal > > > A Decimal Point I'm a Dot in Place > > > Eleven plus Two Twelve plus One > > > Contradiction Accord not in it > > > Princess Diana Ascend in Paris > > > MIND BOGGLER . . . > The statement: > "That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind." Neil > Armstrong > > The anagram: > "Thin man ran; makes a large stride, left planet, pins flag on Moon! > On to Mars!" > > > >  1,, Summary-line: 5-Feb awaugh@MIT.EDU #Spring production Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA28984; Fri, 5 Feb 99 15:25:39 EST Received: from MIT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14175; Fri, 5 Feb 99 15:25:51 EST Received: from WAUGH.MIT.EDU by MIT.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29596; Fri, 5 Feb 99 15:25:17 EST X-Sender: awaugh@hesiod Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:29:58 -0400 To: mitcp@MIT.EDU From: Alice Waugh Subject: Spring production *** EOOH *** X-Sender: awaugh@hesiod Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:29:58 -0400 To: mitcp@MIT.EDU From: Alice Waugh Subject: Spring production Hi everyone, After a very successful reading and discussion on Wednesday of "She Stoops to Conquer" by Oliver Goldsmith, the board voted to have Claire Hoult direct this play for the MIT Community Players' spring production. It's a clever comedy written around 1760, with a cast of six men and four women, plus a few bit parts. A script can be downloaded for free from this web site: http://www.gutenberg.net/_authors/goldsmith_oliver_.html#shestoopstoconquer Performance dates are May 6-8, 1999 in Kresge Little Theater (at last!). Auditions will be on Wednesday and Thursday, Feb. 17-18, from 6:30-9:30pm in Rm 1-135. There will be another notice about this next week. Theatrically yours, Alice Waugh (Producer and MITCP president)  1,, Summary-line: 6-Feb Barnswalow@aol.com #Concordances in Gilbert and Sullivan Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05152; Sat, 6 Feb 99 23:21:06 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05831; Sat, 6 Feb 99 23:21:27 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA24456; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:20:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:20:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: Barnswalow@aol.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Barnswalow@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Concordances in Gilbert and Sullivan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:20:29 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Barnswalow@aol.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Barnswalow@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Concordances in Gilbert and Sullivan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 Apologies if this topic has already graced your screen, but to all of you who may be interested: I just found a website that may interest many of you: http://www.concordance.com As far as I can tell, all of the play of Gilbert and Sullivan are referenced on this site. One enters a word, and one is given the number of times it appears in the canon. For instance, according to this site, the word "anon" appears 3 times in the complete works of Gilbert and Sullivan. (I'm not sure if Thespis is included.) Deb aka Princssida@aol.com  1,, Summary-line: 7-Feb zacheiss@MIT.EDU #Re: recording Yeomen? Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA11992; Sun, 7 Feb 99 13:59:22 EST Received: from SHOCK-TREATMENT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25432; Sun, 7 Feb 99 13:59:17 EST Received: by shock-treatment.mit.edu (SMI-8.6/4.7) id NAA11940; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:59:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199902071859.NAA11940@shock-treatment.mit.edu> To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: yeomen@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: recording Yeomen? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:03:26 EST." <199901312003.PAA11647@charon.MIT.EDU> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:59:18 EST From: Garry Zacheiss *** EOOH *** To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: yeomen@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: recording Yeomen? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:03:26 EST." <199901312003.PAA11647@charon.MIT.EDU> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:59:18 EST From: Garry Zacheiss Hi Dave, Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. We're fine with you taping the first weekend of the show ; we know it's going to be perfect by then. :-) If you're still available, we'd love to reserve your time for that weekend. Garry  1,, Summary-line: 7-Feb jmfarron@vais.net #Re: inquiry about The Rose of Persia Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA01262; Sun, 7 Feb 99 16:03:21 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20671; Sun, 7 Feb 99 16:03:30 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA17349; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:02:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:02:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990207155645.0082a3c0@mail.vais.net> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: jmfarron@vais.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jim Farron To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: inquiry about The Rose of Persia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:02:19 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: jmfarron@vais.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jim Farron To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: inquiry about The Rose of Persia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Ron Orenstein and I each have copies of this piano/vocal score and we are using them to produce a Rose of Persia Web Opera. Ron has produced MIDI files of the entire first act, and the Web Opera is coming along well. You can see and hear it at: http://diamond.idbsu.edu/gas/rose/webopera/operhome.html. --Jim Farron At 03:49 PM 2/7/99 -0500, you wrote: >As a SAVOYNET member particularly interested in Sullivan's "other >music", I would greatly appreciate any information regarding the >whereabouts of a complete piano score to Sullivan and Hood's The Rose of >Persia . Thank you. Fred Hughes > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Farron, Springfield, VA < Gilbert and Sullivan Archive == http://diamond.idbsu.edu/GaS/GaS.html U. S. Office of Personnel Management == http://www.opm.gov Washington Area Butterfly Club = http://www.vais.net/butterfly -----------------------------------------------------------------------  1,, Summary-line: 8-Feb jpoore@infodir.com #FW: Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15027; Mon, 8 Feb 99 13:25:45 EST Received: from [209.130.181.49] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14450; Mon, 8 Feb 99 13:26:01 EST Received: by MAUI with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1JYRG08Y>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:18:38 -0500 Message-Id: <31ACB194930FD211BD17006008C3EFA8010129@MAUI> From: Jeffrey Poore To: "'apo-pftgoto@mit.edu'" , "'sipb-soc@mit.edu'" , "'jpoore@rochester.sgi.com'" , "'jpooreiii@aol.com'" Subject: FW: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:18:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: Jeffrey Poore To: "'apo-pftgoto@mit.edu'" , "'sipb-soc@mit.edu'" , "'jpoore@rochester.sgi.com'" , "'jpooreiii@aol.com'" Subject: FW: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:18:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Free Stock Giveaway! ---- forwarded message ----- Subject: FW: FREE STOCK! 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Bewley ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  1,, Summary-line: 8-Feb seph@MIT.EDU #FORW: Internet Fraud and the Future of Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA01200; Mon, 8 Feb 99 17:30:27 EST Received: from BOBBI-HARLOW.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21589; Mon, 8 Feb 99 17:25:41 EST Received: by bobbi-harlow (8.8.8+Sun/4.7) id RAA00779; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:25:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:25:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902082225.RAA00779@bobbi-harlow> From: Joseph Sokol-Margolis To: sipb-soc@MIT.EDU Subject: FORW: Internet Fraud and the Future of *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:25:16 -0500 (EST) From: Joseph Sokol-Margolis To: sipb-soc@MIT.EDU Subject: FORW: Internet Fraud and the Future of ------- Forwarded transaction Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:20:48 -0500 From: Robert Hettinga Subject: DCSB: Jonathan Rusch, USDOJ; Internet Fraud and the Future of Digital Commerce Reply-To: Robert Hettinga -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Jonathan Rusch Special Counsel for Fraud Prevention U.S. Department of Justice Internet Fraud and the Future of Digital Commerce Tuesday, March 2nd, 1999 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA As e-commerce aspires to reach the trillion-dollar level early in the next century, one factor that could adversely affect its growth is the strength of consumer confidence in the security and privacy of online transactions. Fraud on the Internet, however, includes far more than just the risk of unauthorized "data harvesting" of credit card numbers or other valuable data. Reports to consumer organizations and government agencies reveal a wide range of fraudulent schemes that, in offline form, are familiar to law enforcement authorities: securities market manipulations, sales of computer hardware and software, prizes and sweepstakes, to name but a few. This talk will identify some of the more substantial challenges that Internet fraud, in all its forms, poses for law enforcement and the private sector, and discuss some of the measures that can be taken to address Internet fraud and foster consumer confidence in the Net. Jonathan J. Rusch is Special Counsel for Fraud Prevention in the Fraud Section of the Criminal Division at the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. He serves as the Department of Justice's national coordinator on Internet fraud, chairing the Telemarketing and Internet Fraud Working Group and co-chairing the Internet Securities Fraud Subcommittee of the Securities and Commodities Fraud Working Group. Mr. Rusch has been one of the Department of Justice's leading white-collar crime prosecutors, and received the Attorney General's Distinguished Service Award in 1995 for his work on the House Bank scandal. He received his A.B. degree with honors from Princeton University, and his M.A. and J.D. degrees from the University of Virginia. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, March 2, 1999, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $32.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, various A/V hardware, and the speakers' lunch. The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men (and no sneakers or jeans), and "appropriate business attire" (whatever that means), for women. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your lunch if the Club finds you in violation of the dress code. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, February 30th, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $32.50. Please include your e-mail address, so that we can send you a confirmation If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, . For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to . We look forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.5 iQEVAwUBNr7fk8UCGwxmWcHhAQF+HAf/aA22i5p042T7FG0uj/RvrUWvLl+v2fam UT7WYLoERs8dFgG44UIETEEXE1v/wOCPlyBoEyIh79OGoyGGBq529MKmVmxSBVyn eoayGHBVkxBZBobFChPYEjf1K1pskiGnTT0+aQtUUMC6bsuCskoN4r+R5u9JLoJP x1k6K5DoBjOAE2+bvsp2Czjs32QGxTToD3QmcB0SwFcpjlyyMT9ZyrGej0ZtA/da nuVBPoqWBB1wuYXtMq9y/h59/ZWCWWenTlDI6QfJVATTLdz0mt+Ts7XN/A96XfCk /h8NlDpHdrp1Cjc8UDdAcw6ghRpMcZEcXRwRH13nII1i5YxzvHGopg== =Z10n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- end forwarded text  1,, Summary-line: 9-Feb mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Company Memo Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29345; Tue, 9 Feb 99 14:47:57 EST Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17722; Tue, 9 Feb 99 14:48:18 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10AJ8O-0005pH-00; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:47:49 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:47:46 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: 'Daddy' , "Patane, Corrine" , 'David J' , 'Dan J' , 'Eitan' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'Lisa Blocher' , "'Phil @ Home'" , 'sooz' , 'stevemartin' , "'Adina @ Work'" , "Christ-Janer, Katherine" Subject: FW: Company Memo Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:47:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: 'Daddy' , "Patane, Corrine" , 'David J' , 'Dan J' , 'Eitan' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'Lisa Blocher' , "'Phil @ Home'" , 'sooz' , 'stevemartin' , "'Adina @ Work'" , "Christ-Janer, Katherine" Subject: FW: Company Memo Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:47:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Not for the language-sensitive... @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products > It has been brought to management's attention that some individuals > throughout the company have been using foul language during the course > of > normal conversation with their coworkers. Due to complaints received > from > some employees who may be easily offended, this type of language will > no > > longer be tolerated. > > We do however, realize the critical importance of being able to > accurately express your feelings when communicating with coworkers, > therefore, a list of TRY SAYING new phrases has been provided so that > proper exchange of ideas and information can continue in an effective > manner without risk of > offending our more sensitive employees. > > > > TRY SAYING: Perhaps I can work late. > > > > INSTEAD OF: When the fuck do you expect me to do this? > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: I'm certain that is not feasible. > > > > INSTEAD OF: No fucking way. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: Really? > > > > INSTEAD OF: You've got to be shitting me. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: Perhaps you should check with ... > > > > INSTEAD OF: Tell someone who gives a shit. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: Of course I'm concerned > > > > INSTEAD OF: Ask me if I give a shit. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: I wasn't involved in that project. > > > > INSTEAD OF: Its not my fucking problem. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: That's interesting. > > > > INSTEAD OF: What the fuck?!?! > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: I'm not sure I can implement this. > > > > INSTEAD OF: Fuck it, it won't work. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: I'll try to schedule that. > > > > INSTEAD OF: Why the hell didn't you tell me sooner? > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: Are you sure this is a problem? > > > > INSTEAD OF: Who the fuck cares? > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: He's not familiar with the problem. > > > > INSTEAD OF: He's got his head up his ass. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: Excuse me sir? > > > > INSTEAD OF: Eat shit and die motherfucker. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: So you weren't happy with it? > > > > INSTEAD OF: Kiss my ass. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: I'm a bit overloaded at this moment. > > > > INSTEAD OF: Fuck it, I'm on salary. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: I don't think you understand. > > > > INSTEAD OF: Shove it up your ass. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: I love a challenge. > > > > INSTEAD OF: This job sucks. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: You want me to take care of that? > > > > INSTEAD OF: Who the hell died and made you boss? > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: I see. > > > > INSTEAD OF: Blow me. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: Yes, we really should discuss it. > > > > INSTEAD OF: Another fucking meeting!!!! > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: I don't think this will be a problem. > > > > INSTEAD OF: I really don't give a shit. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: He's somewhat insensitive. > > > > INSTEAD OF: He's a fucking prick. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: She's an aggressive go getter. > > > > INSTEAD OF: She's a ball busting bitch. > > > > > > > > TRY SAYING: I think you could use more training. > > > > INSTEAD OF: You don't know what the fuck you're doing. > > > > > >  1,, Summary-line: 9-Feb rac@bu.edu #Re: Dinner? Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04407; Tue, 9 Feb 99 16:09:53 EST Received: from ACS5.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19688; Tue, 9 Feb 99 16:09:48 EST Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs5.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.b5.ACS)/) with SMTP id QAA68522 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:09:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:09:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Dinner? In-Reply-To: <199902092107.QAA17701@charon.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:09:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Dinner? In-Reply-To: <199902092107.QAA17701@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i have to work until 8:30 or so. I just had some ice cream; does that count as dinner? you could always bring me something... I'll be late. :o) On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, David C. Jedlinsky wrote: > > What are you doing for dinner tonight before rehearsal? > > Or are you skipping rehearsal again? >  1,, Summary-line: 9-Feb danw@MIT.EDU #Re: Project Idea Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA28390; Tue, 9 Feb 99 17:05:09 EST Received: from ANTHARIA.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10390; Tue, 9 Feb 99 17:04:59 EST Received: by antharia.mit.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/4.7) id RAA23121; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:05:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199902092205.RAA23121@antharia.mit.edu> To: chad brown Cc: sipb-office@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Project Idea In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:34:45 EST." <199902092134.QAA02238@egon.akamai.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:05:01 EST From: Dan Winship *** EOOH *** To: chad brown Cc: sipb-office@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Project Idea In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:34:45 EST." <199902092134.QAA02238@egon.akamai.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:05:01 EST From: Dan Winship I mentioned this to Chad and he said "You should send that out today so other people don't spend time coming up with worse ideas" or something like that. :) There's an idea for a majordomo interface to Moira that's been batted around by several people. The basic idea is this: 1) Pick a machine. Say, bloom-anxiety-charon. Convince postmaster to give you the list "majordomo". Add KERBEROS:rcmd.bloom-anxiety-charon and STRING:majordomo@bloom-anxiety-charon.mit.edu to that list. 2) Write a perl script. This is a Simple Matter Of Programming. The perl script should behave like majordomo on the outside, but on the inside, instead of reading and writing files, it talks to moira. This script processes mail sent to majordomo@bloom-anxiety-charon (but only if it says it's to majordomo@mit.edu). 3) Tell people that if they want people to have a majordomo interface to their lists, they should add 'LIST:majordomo' to the acl for their moira list. Bonus points would go to an implementor who could come up with good solutions to problems like: - Some lists will want to send mail back to the user saying "someone sent mail asking this address to be subscribed. Send back this magic cookie if you really meant it" to prevent forged subscriptions. Other lists will not want that. How to configure this? - Some people may want to have majordomo manage lists where "foo@mit.edu" is a pointer to somewhere else. Perhaps by having mail sent to majordomo about the list foo being redirected to somewhere else (majordomo-for-foo@mit.edu or something). It would be important to gaurantee though that only the moira owner of foo could cause this to happen though. Anyway, more discussion can ensue tomorrow when mailtoy exists. -- Dan  1,, Summary-line: 9-Feb cjsmith@MIT.EDU #Hawaii Photo Tour Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA17922; Tue, 9 Feb 99 22:04:53 EST Received: from DEPARTMENT-OF-ALCHEMY.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20267; Tue, 9 Feb 99 22:04:48 EST Received: by department-of-alchemy.mit.edu (8.8.7/4.7) id WAA22832; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:04:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902100304.WAA22832@department-of-alchemy.mit.edu> To: dinner@MIT.EDU, marymary@suberic.net, jhango@suberic.net, user9357@aol.com, valerie@cyberspace.org, dmm@suberic.net Subject: Hawaii Photo Tour Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:04:49 EST From: CarolYN J Smith *** EOOH *** To: dinner@MIT.EDU, marymary@suberic.net, jhango@suberic.net, user9357@aol.com, valerie@cyberspace.org, dmm@suberic.net Subject: Hawaii Photo Tour Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:04:49 EST From: CarolYN J Smith Finally got my Hawaii Photo Tour on line (tho some of the pics may take some time to download). Just click on the whale on my homepage, or start at http://suberic.net/~cjsmith/hawaii/pages/hawaii1.html Let me know what you think! :-) --cyn  1,, Summary-line: 10-Feb cjsmith@MIT.EDU #concert page Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19204; Wed, 10 Feb 99 21:42:04 EST Received: from SCRUBBING-BUBBLES.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21119; Wed, 10 Feb 99 21:42:27 EST Received: by scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu (8.8.7/4.7) id VAA26236; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:42:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902110242.VAA26236@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: concert page Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:42:01 EST From: CarolYN J Smith *** EOOH *** To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: concert page Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:42:01 EST From: CarolYN J Smith I'm attempting to put together a page for concerts of dinner people. At the moment I dont have the page writable by anyone but me, but I intend to change that soon. I have put on it thus far those concerts that I already know about...let me know what others are happening! The page is reachable from my homepage or directily with the url: http://www.mit.edu/~cjsmith/dinnerconcerts.html --Carolyn  1, answered,, Summary-line: 11-Feb David.Withee@gte.net #FW: Quiz Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10284; Thu, 11 Feb 99 08:27:16 EST Received: from mail1.gte.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19994; Thu, 11 Feb 99 08:27:40 EST Received: from gte.net (1Cust168.tnt3.new-orleans.la.da.uu.net [208.250.14.168]) by mail1.gte.net with SMTP id HAA08754 for opus@mit.edu; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:28:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199902111328.HAA08754@mail1.gte.net> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 07:24:11 Pacific Daylight Time From: David Withee To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: FW: Quiz Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mail-Agent: An Internet Client 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 07:24:11 Pacific Daylight Time From: David Withee To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: FW: Quiz Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mail-Agent: An Internet Client 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>QUIZ >> >>This is a quiz written by Einstein last century. He said that 98 % of the >>people in the world cannot solve the quiz (doesn't say how long you have >>though). Are you among the other 2 % ? >>Facts: >>1. There are 5 houses in different colours. >>2. In each house lives a person with a different nationality. >>3. These 5 owners drink a certain beverage, smoke a certain brand of cigar >>and keep a certain pet. >>4. No owners have the same pet, smoke the same brand of cigar or drink the >>same beverage. >> >> >>Hints: >>1. The Brit lives in a red house >>2. The Swede keeps dogs as pets >>3. The Dane drinks tea >>4. The green house is on the left of the white house >>5. The green house owner drinks coffee >>6. The person who smokes Pall Mall rears birds >>7. The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill >>8. The man living in the house right in the centre drinks milk >>9. The Norwegian lives in the first house >>10. The man who smokes Blend lives next to the one who keeps cats >>11. The man who keeps horses lives next to the man who smokes Dunhill >>12. The owner who smokes Blue Master drinks beer >>13. The German smokes Prince >>14. The Norwegian lives next to the blue house >>15. The man who smokes Blend has a neighbor who drinks water >> >>THE QUESTION IS: Who keeps fish? >> >>THIS IS NOT A TRICK QUESTION. To solve it, use the process of elimination. >> >>Good Luck! >> > Dave, hope you enjoy the various E-Mails. Dad sent his answer to this one to us. See what you come up with. Di  1, answered,, Summary-line: 11-Feb goodmanj@MIT.EDU #New Year's Party in Hawaii? Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16056; Thu, 11 Feb 99 12:38:54 EST Received: from AMPERSAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11307; Thu, 11 Feb 99 12:38:00 EST Received: by ampersand.mit.edu (8.8.8/4.7) id MAA26958; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:37:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902111737.MAA26958@ampersand.mit.edu> To: cjsmith@MIT.EDU, dmm@suberic.net, marymary@suberic.net, reebee@suberic.net, marc@suberic.net, becca@suberic.net, allen@suberic.net, deborah@suberic.net, lisztetude@aol.com, arussell@gulf.mit.edu, deepa@matrisome.mit.edu, jhango@suberic.net, jphekman@arborius.net, rebecca@yoko.mit.edu, mrmorse@postoffice.worldnet.att.net, raeburn@raeburn.org, eichin@thok.org, opus@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, jcb@MIT.EDU, nlgilman@MIT.EDU, tytso@MIT.EDU, rlcarr@MIT.EDU, wesommer@MIT.EDU, jtidwell@animato.pn.com, asarahm@MIT.EDU, zacheiss@MIT.EDU, gsp-ec@MIT.EDU, lucylim@alum.mit.edu, mitchell@math.yale.edu, michelle.herder@yale.edu, geoffrey_clark_collins@brown.edu, lance.nathan@brown.edu, kkazkaz@carleton.edu, helene_wecker@retek.com, nkkritzer@stthomas.edu, Edward.M.Burke@HealthPartners.com, rowan.littell@mandli.com, ziebarth@math.wisc.edu, mkalke@indiana.edu, aharleytoo@aol.com, jcostell@carleton.edu, Jason Goodman Cc: goodman@aloha.net Subject: New Year's Party in Hawaii? Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:37:34 EST From: Jason Goodman *** EOOH *** To: cjsmith@MIT.EDU, dmm@suberic.net, marymary@suberic.net, reebee@suberic.net, marc@suberic.net, becca@suberic.net, allen@suberic.net, deborah@suberic.net, lisztetude@aol.com, arussell@gulf.mit.edu, deepa@matrisome.mit.edu, jhango@suberic.net, jphekman@arborius.net, rebecca@yoko.mit.edu, mrmorse@postoffice.worldnet.att.net, raeburn@raeburn.org, eichin@thok.org, opus@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, jcb@MIT.EDU, nlgilman@MIT.EDU, tytso@MIT.EDU, rlcarr@MIT.EDU, wesommer@MIT.EDU, jtidwell@animato.pn.com, asarahm@MIT.EDU, zacheiss@MIT.EDU, gsp-ec@MIT.EDU, lucylim@alum.mit.edu, mitchell@math.yale.edu, michelle.herder@yale.edu, geoffrey_clark_collins@brown.edu, lance.nathan@brown.edu, kkazkaz@carleton.edu, helene_wecker@retek.com, nkkritzer@stthomas.edu, Edward.M.Burke@HealthPartners.com, rowan.littell@mandli.com, ziebarth@math.wisc.edu, mkalke@indiana.edu, aharleytoo@aol.com, jcostell@carleton.edu, Jason Goodman Cc: goodman@aloha.net Subject: New Year's Party in Hawaii? Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:37:34 EST From: Jason Goodman As I've mentioned to lots of people, I've intended for a couple of years now to hold a New Year's 1999/2000 party at my family's home in Hawaii. You are invited. And now for some frequently-asked questions. 1. WHAT?! Are you *CRAZY*??? No. 2. WHAT?! Are you crazy? Haven't you heard of Y2K? We'll all die! I'm not suggesting anybody tempt fate by being in an airplane when all the zeros appear: the goal is to come before New Year's and leave a week or so afterward. I doubt anybody will have serious trouble with Y2K, but assuming the worst, I think Hawaii is one of the safest places on the planet to be on Jan 1, 2000: a) My family lives in a small town, not in a city. Riots, looting, and whatnot shouldn't be a big deal. b) In Minneapolis and Boston, if your gas and electricity turn off on Jan 1, you freeze to death. In Hawaii, you go cook fish on a campfire by the beach. c) As a result of the last two hurricanes, my family is well prepared, with such disaster supplies as a generator, lanterns, water treatment supplies, etc. (I admit, gasoline to power the generator long-term is a problem...) d) If things get *really* bad, one can grow food in Hawaii in February and March. Try that in Boston. My hometown is surrounded by guava and papaya orchards, fishing areas, etc. e) And finally, if ya gotta go, ya might as well go lounging on a beach with a cool drink in hand. But nothing's gonna happen, so what are you worried about? Heck, I've heard that Y2K vacations on *cruise ships* are selling like hotcakes. Be brave. 3. Where exactly is it? My family lives in Kilauea, Hawaii, on the north shore of the island of Kauai. The island is about 30 miles across, and has a population of 60,000. Mapquest doesn't seem to be working properly right now, so here's another on-line map: http://mapping.usgs.gov:8888/gnis/owa/MapServer?f_name=Kauai+County&f_state=HI&f_latlong=220300N1593002W&f_ht=.5&f_type=civil&server=TIGER Kilauea (pop. 2000) is a 25-mile drive from the airport in Lihue (airport code LIH). 3. What dates are we invited? Roughly, for the period after Christmas and into the first week or two of the New Year. Leaving on the 27th and returning on the 8th-9th might be a good idea if you have a real job and want to work on Monday the 10th, but you can stay longer or shorter if you'd like. I don't know if it's productive to book tickets in large blocks or not -- more on that later. 4. Where will we stay? My family's house has sleeping space for about 6-10 guests, depending on the number of couples. If people want to do the sleeping bag thing, we can fit a few more. But some people, either through necessity or desire, will be staying in hotels -- there's a nice resort area 15 minutes' drive from my house. Priority on staying at my house goes to students: people with Real Jobs may be asked to stay in a hotel. But hopefully we'll all be doing things together. 5. What about transportation? We'll definitely need to rent a couple of mini-vans or something. Public transportation is essentially nonexistent. 6. What's there to do? Well, *I* plan on doing lots of hiking, a fair bit of snorkeling, some river-paddling on my parents' kayaks, and, if the people I've invited who have scuba certification come, some diving. I'd love to hike the 22-mile Kalalau Trail (a moderate 2- or 3-day trip) again, but the trail's often very wet in January. Boat tours and sailboat rental are unlikely due to rough winter seas. Helicopter tours are fabulous for those with $$, and there's three or four beaches within 10 minutes of my house which you can have all to yourself if you go on a weekday morning. Also, nice restaurants, horseback riding, blue-water fishing, etc. If people care to spend a bit more money, some of us can take a trip to the Big Island of Hawaii, where the active volcanoes are. (it's my second favorite island.) Carolyn has some pictures on-line of some of the things we saw: check out http://suberic.net/~cjsmith/hawaii/pages/hawaii1.html 7. Who have you invited? The list above is a roughly equal mixture of my friends from Carleton College, people affiliated with Mouse House, Freak House, and Summer House in Somerville, and my friends through Carolyn and the MIT Gilbert and Sullivan Players. You're all geeks of one sort or another... I'm sure you'll get along. There are about 45 people on the invitation list -- I expect only a small fraction to be able to come. 8. How much will it cost? There's a reason I saved this for last... A lot more than I'd hoped. The prices I'm seeing on the Internet for plane tickets from boston to my island (airport code LIH) are around $1300 round trip. Prices for Minneapolis to Lihue are similar. The fares for both itineraries has gone up significantly in the 24 hours since I last checked. This is significantly more than I or my parents remember paying, and we're working on finding better deals. Reservations are going very quickly, and while it's *possible* there might be a fare sale which could let you save lots on the trip, you shouldn't count on it. I suggest you find a travel agent willing to spend some time on the problem -- and if you find a good one with a low fare route, TELL ME and I'll pass along the information. If you were really excited about coming until the moment you saw the figure above, *look hard* for better deals, student rates, and so on. Don't give up. The air-fare is the most expensive part of the trip, especially if there's room for you in our family's house. But I won't deny this is pretty steep. If you've got frequent flyer miles, now's the time to try to use 'em. And look at it this way: this is a once-in-a-millenium opportunity. At $1300 per 1000 years, that's just 3 cents a day! Please let me know if you can come sometime within the next week. I'll be glad to help you out with any information I can provide, but it's impossible for me to book tickets for you or any of that -- my credit limit will have trouble covering even a single ticket. Jason Goodman  1,, Summary-line: 11-Feb dcctdw@MIT.EDU #dancing yogurt Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10574; Thu, 11 Feb 99 14:49:01 EST Received: from TLA.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19356; Thu, 11 Feb 99 14:48:47 EST Received: from dcctdw@localhost by tla.MIT.EDU (8.8.7/4.7.5) id OAA15839; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:48:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:48:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199902111948.OAA15839@tla.MIT.EDU> From: David C Cho To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: dancing yogurt *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:48:51 -0500 From: David C Cho To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: dancing yogurt Gosh, I feel like such a nekulturny slob, what with everyone posting their stuff. So, to prove that i'm not a total loser :) here goes... So, this'll probably be the first of two announcements I'll make about the 3rd annual MIT open ballroom dance competition on April 10-11. If it's going to be run like last year, the first day will be International style and the second day will be American. (To International snobs like me, it means the better dancing will be on the first day. To normal people or to anyone with a vaguely open mind, this is complete bogosity.) The morning sessions will be Latin/Rhythm; the evening sessions will be Standard/Smooth. At some point, our web page will go live; for the moment, the Team page is at web.mit.edu/mitbdt; there are links to the COmp page from there. I will again be competiting, this time in Open, which means that (theoretically) I have advanced beyond the syllabus and am now working on figures that (very theoretically) world-class dancers also dance. (Actually, it is true that my choreography has a very similar resemblance to world-class choreography, since there's a fine tradition of plagarizing the latest world champion's choreography -- if they won, it must be good, right? :) ) It's just the execution of aforementioned choreography that is hideously lacking. The comp will be held in DuPont Gym again. Oh, right, I dance International Standard, which is waltz, tango, viennese waltz, foxtrot, and quickstep. And if you saw Championship Ballroom Dancing (aka Ohio Star Ball) last night on PBS, please note that the rest of the ballroom dance universe isn't as weird as those dumbass showcases. (The one that got me was the rumba danced to a variant of the Star Spangled Banner, which prompted loud cries of "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?" from even alyse's rabbit, who doesn't have vocal cords. Damn, I don't know what the hell they were on.....) dave  1,, Summary-line: 11-Feb goodmanj@MIT.EDU #Word from my parents about airfares Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24599; Thu, 11 Feb 99 15:24:11 EST Received: from AMPERSAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00384; Thu, 11 Feb 99 15:22:38 EST Received: by ampersand.mit.edu (8.8.8/4.7) id PAA27188; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:22:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902112022.PAA27188@ampersand.mit.edu> To: cjsmith@MIT.EDU, dmm@suberic.net, marymary@suberic.net, reebee@suberic.net, marc@suberic.net, becca@suberic.net, allen@suberic.net, deborah@suberic.net, lisztetude@aol.com, arussell@gulf.mit.edu, deepa@matrisome.mit.edu, jhango@suberic.net, jphekman@arborius.net, rebecca@yoko.mit.edu, mrmorse@postoffice.worldnet.att.net, raeburn@raeburn.org, eichin@thok.org, opus@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, jcb@MIT.EDU, nlgilman@MIT.EDU, tytso@MIT.EDU, rlcarr@MIT.EDU, wesommer@MIT.EDU, jtidwell@animato.pn.com, asarahm@MIT.EDU, zacheiss@MIT.EDU, gsp-ec@MIT.EDU, lucylim@alum.mit.edu, mitchell@math.yale.edu, michelle.herder@yale.edu, geoffrey_clark_collins@brown.edu, lance.nathan@brown.edu, kkazkaz@carleton.edu, helene_wecker@retek.com, nkkritzer@stthomas.edu, Edward.M.Burke@HealthPartners.com, rowan.littell@mandli.com, ziebarth@math.wisc.edu, mkalke@indiana.edu, aharleytoo@aol.com, jcostell@carleton.edu, Jason Goodman Subject: Word from my parents about airfares Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:22:42 EST From: Jason Goodman *** EOOH *** To: cjsmith@MIT.EDU, dmm@suberic.net, marymary@suberic.net, reebee@suberic.net, marc@suberic.net, becca@suberic.net, allen@suberic.net, deborah@suberic.net, lisztetude@aol.com, arussell@gulf.mit.edu, deepa@matrisome.mit.edu, jhango@suberic.net, jphekman@arborius.net, rebecca@yoko.mit.edu, mrmorse@postoffice.worldnet.att.net, raeburn@raeburn.org, eichin@thok.org, opus@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, jcb@MIT.EDU, nlgilman@MIT.EDU, tytso@MIT.EDU, rlcarr@MIT.EDU, wesommer@MIT.EDU, jtidwell@animato.pn.com, asarahm@MIT.EDU, zacheiss@MIT.EDU, gsp-ec@MIT.EDU, lucylim@alum.mit.edu, mitchell@math.yale.edu, michelle.herder@yale.edu, geoffrey_clark_collins@brown.edu, lance.nathan@brown.edu, kkazkaz@carleton.edu, helene_wecker@retek.com, nkkritzer@stthomas.edu, Edward.M.Burke@HealthPartners.com, rowan.littell@mandli.com, ziebarth@math.wisc.edu, mkalke@indiana.edu, aharleytoo@aol.com, jcostell@carleton.edu, Jason Goodman Subject: Word from my parents about airfares Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:22:42 EST From: Jason Goodman A word about travel to Hawaii: the Internet agents (and the human agent I called) will try to fly you direct from the West Coast to Lihue. It's very often cheaper to fly to Honolulu and then take an inter-island flight to Kauai... about which Mom says this (contact me if you want more info or help from her): ------- Forwarded Message Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA14284; Thu, 11 Feb 99 14:58:03 EST Received: from haleakala.aloha.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22344; Thu, 11 Feb 99 14:57:56 EST Received: from 207.12.7.101 (kauai-101.u.aloha.net [207.12.7.101]) by haleakala.aloha.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA02654 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:57:58 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <36C33760.5BB0@aloha.net> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:02:41 -1000 From: Jeffrey Goodman Reply-To: goodman@aloha.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Goodman Subject: Airfare Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They tell me Boston to HNL direct is $1153 MSP-HNL non-stop is $1187 Add $100 (not 150) for interisland portion. However, I can get coupons that will bring it down to $70-80. He said flights are available but are filling up steadily. My word, it's a beautiful day today. Mom ------- End of Forwarded Message  1,, Summary-line: 11-Feb cjsmith@MIT.EDU #dinnermusic Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02281; Thu, 11 Feb 99 23:15:05 EST Received: from DEPARTMENT-OF-ALCHEMY.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20400; Thu, 11 Feb 99 23:14:57 EST Received: by department-of-alchemy.mit.edu (8.8.7/4.7) id XAA02858; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:15:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902120415.XAA02858@department-of-alchemy.mit.edu> To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: dinnermusic Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:15:02 EST From: CarolYN J Smith *** EOOH *** To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: dinnermusic Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:15:02 EST From: CarolYN J Smith OK, I've changed the name of the dinnerconcert list to dinnermusic/index.html I've given the following people write access to it (note I can only give people who are also known in the sipbcell for reasons that I dont fully understand--ask Ken!) jcb nlgilman jtkohl opus dcctdw wesommer mcmullan tytso So you can now all add your concerts on your own, please try to keep each entry reasonably brief...(and I reserve the right to edit as I see fit, but I probably wont do much of that). Anyone who isnt on that list who wants access let me know, if you are in the sipb world I can add you, if not you'll have to email me your concert announcements and let me add them... --cyn  1, answered,, Summary-line: 12-Feb AAllen@welchs.com #RE: TGI freakin' F Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02055; Fri, 12 Feb 99 11:05:10 EST Received: from charity.harvard.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA29278; Fri, 12 Feb 99 11:05:33 EST Received: from mail.welchs.com (mail.welchs.com [207.180.67.19]) by charity.harvard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA26681; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by SRVEX10 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1VL3NXQY>; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:06:37 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'Rebecca A. Consentino'" Cc: "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: RE: TGI freakin' F Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:06:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'Rebecca A. Consentino'" Cc: "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: RE: TGI freakin' F Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:06:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Becca, I don't know how you did this, but you are full of shit. I didn't send this message, Scott and Dave. Becca is being a complete jerk. A > -----Original Message----- > From: Allen, Amy [SMTP:AAllen@welchs.com] > Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 10:33 AM > To: 'Rebecca A. Consentino' > Cc: 'scott@hup.harvard.edu'; 'opus@mit.edu' > Subject: RE: TGI freakin' F > > Okay, I admit it. Lonnie sent the flowers. Todd is openly courting me, > and Stefan's afraid of him. > > And Dave's the most wonderful person in the world, why did I ever pick > on him? Can you ever forgive me? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rebecca A. Consentino [SMTP:rac@bu.edu] > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 10:29 AM > > To: Allen, Amy > > Cc: 'scott@hup.harvard.edu'; 'opus@mit.edu' > > Subject: RE: TGI freakin' F > > > > Who? TL? > > > > Your future self? > > > > Tell us! ;o) > > > > On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Allen, Amy wrote: > > > > > WAHOO. > > > > > > I just got a dozen red roses sent to me from you know who. > > > > > > YAY! > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rebecca A. Consentino [SMTP:rac@bu.edu] > > > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 10:22 AM > > > > To: Allen, Amy > > > > Cc: 'scott@hup.harvard.edu'; 'opus@mit.edu' > > > > Subject: Re: TGI freakin' F > > > > > > > > Hi everyone -- I'm here, albeit tres briefly. > > > > > > > > :o) Becca > > > > > > > > On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Allen, Amy wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey there everyone! > > > > > > > > > > Hope you are all as excited that it's Friday as I am... > > > > > > > > > > Scott: We still need to talk about plans for tomorrow night. > > > > > When/where/how... > > > > > > > > > > Becca: E-mail me! > > > > > > > > > > Opus: Did you fall off the face of the earth?? > > > > > > > > > > Amy E. Allen > > > > > aallen@welchs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  1,, Summary-line: 12-Feb AAllen@welchs.com #RE: TGI freakin' F Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10250; Fri, 12 Feb 99 12:42:57 EST Received: from charity.harvard.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03848; Fri, 12 Feb 99 12:43:21 EST Received: from mail.welchs.com (mail.welchs.com [207.180.67.19]) by charity.harvard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08362; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by SRVEX10 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1VL3NXZJ>; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:44:27 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'rac@bu.edu'" Cc: "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: RE: TGI freakin' F Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:44:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'rac@bu.edu'" Cc: "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: RE: TGI freakin' F Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:44:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Becca, you freaking little hacker, I don't know how you are doing this, but technically, I could report you to my IS department for fraud. Just think about that. Until you recind these e-mails and tell everyone they weren't really from me, then I refuse to write another e-mail to you. EVER. And another thing: Anyone who knows me KNOWS I would never write this: You are a goddess and I worship you. Regards, Amy > -----Original Message----- > From: Allen, Amy [SMTP:AAllen@welchs.com] > Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 12:13 PM > To: 'Rebecca A. Consentino' > Cc: 'scott@hup.harvard.edu'; 'opus@mit.edu' > Subject: RE: TGI freakin' F > > Becca, I'm so sorry to have accused you of faking email from me. I'm > scared of this alter ego, and want it to go away. > > You are a goddess and I worship you. > > A > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Allen, Amy [SMTP:AAllen@welchs.com] > > Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 10:33 AM > > To: 'Allen, Amy' > > Subject: Warning from the future! > > > >Amy, this is your future self, trying to make my own life better. > >You see, I'm still stuck in this dead-end job at Welchs (though they > >now sell Swamp Muck, mmmGood!) My therapy is almost complete after 20 > >years, but believe me, you don't want to go through it if you can > >avoid it. > > > >The problem is, your schizophrenia that started in Ruddigore at MIT > >got so bad that you were committed in June of 1999. Your friends were > >getting strange emails, which you vehemently denied sending. It turns > >out you did send them, only it was an alter ego of yours, so you > >didn't remember doing it. > > > >My doctor says that if you can reduce the stress in your life now, you > >might be able to prevent this from happening. Please make up with > >Becca and Dave now, for your own sake! > > > >Love, > > > >A > > > >  1,, Summary-line: 13-Feb goodmanj@MIT.EDU #Hotels near my home Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04375; Sat, 13 Feb 99 00:04:01 EST Received: from AMPERSAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28182; Sat, 13 Feb 99 00:03:53 EST Received: by ampersand.mit.edu (8.8.8/4.7) id AAA00295; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:03:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902130503.AAA00295@ampersand.mit.edu> To: opus@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com Subject: Hotels near my home Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:03:59 EST From: Jason Goodman *** EOOH *** To: opus@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com Subject: Hotels near my home Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:03:59 EST From: Jason Goodman There are no hotels in Kilauea (thank goodness); the nearest resort area is called Princeville, and is located 10-15 minutes away. Princeville is long on condos and higher-end hotels; if you're looking for something cheaper, you might find something on the East shore. The other major resort area on Kauai is Poipu, which is on the other side of the island, about a 45 minute drive away. And the North Shore (where I live) is prettier anyway.  1,, Summary-line: 17-Feb hriswebster@ndirect.co.uk #Vintage CDs Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA17390; Wed, 17 Feb 99 09:10:05 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02750; Wed, 17 Feb 99 09:09:51 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA18743; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:09:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:09:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902171356.NAA06996@sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: chriswebster@ndirect.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Chris Webster" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Vintage CDs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:09:30 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: chriswebster@ndirect.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Chris Webster" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Vintage CDs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 Dear All, I just want to take this opportunity to remind you about my historic G&S recordings on CD, and also to drop a wee hint about a future release which will be of great interest The G&S titles currently available are: The 1922-23 HMV recording of HMS PINAFORE, price #15 (UK), or $26 (US), The 1921 HMV recording of PATIENCE, price #15 (UK), or $26 (US), and The 1938 film soundtrack of THE MIKADO, price #10 (UK), or $17 (US). Also of interest to G&S lovers may be: The 1918 AND 1931 recordings of MERRIE ENGLAND, price #15 (UK), or $26 (US). This is a double CD set of the HMV's complete recording and Columbia abridged recording. If you wish to pay by sterling cheque please make your cheque payable to 'A C Webster' and send it direct to me - Chris Webster Victoria House 228 B High Street CROYDON Surrey CR0 1NF ENGLAND If you wish to pay by US dollar cheque please make your cheque payable to 'Richard N Freedman' and send it to: Richard Freedman, 89 Staniford St Apt 7 Auburndale MA 02466-1128. USA. Please note that I have a small number of each title in stock at the moment, BUT I am about to embark on several quite large CD projects which will not allow me to replenish my stock for at least a month after work has commenced, so if my current stock runs out I will only be able to replenish it in the next few days before starting on my new projects. In other words, if you want to order anything in the next few days, please email me now and I can make sure that I have enough copies to meet the needs before I start my other work. I don't want to give too much away at the moment although I know that a few people already know about this, but one of my forthcoming projects is certain to be of interest to a far wider spectrum of fans that my historic CDs are. In fact I am really quite excited about it. Watch this space for more details. As far as historic releases go, I am hoping that the 1924 Ruddigore will be my next issue. Chris Chris Webster "Sounds on CD"  1,, Summary-line: 17-Feb elf@andor.org #Fw: understanding chocolate Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21414; Wed, 17 Feb 99 09:21:40 EST Received: from smtp1.erols.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06312; Wed, 17 Feb 99 09:21:29 EST Received: from jsieracki (207-172-175-211.s20.as6.rkv.erols.com [207.172.175.211]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29399; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:19:33 -0500 (EST) From: "J. Sieracki" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: Fw: understanding chocolate Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:24:32 -0500 Message-Id: <01be5a81$3c69cbc0$d3afaccf@jsieracki> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 *** EOOH *** From: "J. Sieracki" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: Fw: understanding chocolate Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:24:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Passing this on from a woman who knows her coco beans. -----Original Message----- From: Laura McIntosh To: Daniel McIntosh ; J. Sieracki ; Alex McIntosh ; Zoe Garren ; Andrea Lauerman ; tbliss1@leland.Stanford.EDU Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 8:56 PM Subject: understanding chocolate ><< > Thought for the day ------ > CHOCOLATE > > Chocolate is God's way of reminding men how inadequate they are. I am > vividly confronted with this fact every time my wife and I go out to a > restaurant. > > When it gets to dessert, my wife usually orders the most > chocolate-saturated dessert possible: It's the one called "Unstoppable > Double-Fudge Chocolate Mudslide Explosion" or some such thing. I > always wonder why anyone would want to eat anything that promises a > catastrophic natural disaster in your mouth. > > The dark brown monstrosity arrives at the table, and my wife takes the > first bite. Before the fork is even removed from her mouth, a small moan > escapes her lips. Her eyes, previously perfectly aligned, first cross > slightly and then faze completely, pupils dilating in pure chocolate > pleasure before the eyelids clamp down in ecstasy. The hand not holding the > fork clenches into a fist and starts pounding the table. The silverware > rattles. > > After about six minutes of this, she finally manages to swallow the > bite, realign her eyes, and take the next shuttle back from whatever > transcendental plane she's been visiting. Slowly, her sphere of > consciousness expands to include me, her husband, her life-long mate, her > presumed partner in all things ecstatic. "Hey, this is pretty good," she'll > say. "You want some?" > > No, I don't. I want nothing to do with an object that does to my wife > in one bite what I've worked for an entire relationship to achieve. It > wouldn't do any good, anyway. Men just don't have the same relationship > with chocolate that women do. > > It's not even close. > > I wandered around the office today and asked men- "Chocolate. Your > thoughts?" - and the result was always the same. First, a confused look as > to why they're being asked about something so trivial, and then some lame, > obvious statement: "Uh...it's brown?" Ask women the same question, and you > get responses like "The ONLY food group", "ESSENTIAL to life as we know it," > and the ultimate casual swipe at every member of the -chromosome brigade, > "better than sex." Ouch. Some women will try to make up for that last one by > quickly adding that chocolate is supposed to be an aphrodisiac. Uh-huh. > Chocolate certainly increases desire; the problem is the desire is usually > for more chocolate. > > The best a guy can do is buy a box of chocolates and hope he'll be > considered somewhere between the cherry truffle and the strawberry nougat. > Don't get me wrong. Guys like chocolate just fine; it's just not essential > to life as we know it. Respiration is essential to life as we know it; > chocolate is simply one of those nice little bonuses you get. We won't > usually pass it up if it's offered, but I don't know too many guys who > would get substantially worked up if it were to suddenly disappear from the > face of the earth (ironic in a way, as back in the days of the Aztecs, only > men were allowed to have the stuff). When I eat a chocolate dessert, I > enjoy it, yes. My world view doesn't narrow to include only the plate that > it's on. > > Maybe we're missing something. On the other hand, we don't have to > pick up our silverware from the floor after we're done with our tiramisu. > Life is about trade-offs like that. All I know is that come Valentine's > Day, chocolate will be among the things I offer my wife. I can't truly > appreciate it, but I can truly appreciate what it does for her. Which is > close enough. >> > > >  1,, Summary-line: 17-Feb rac@bu.edu #Re: hi! Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04855; Wed, 17 Feb 99 09:57:49 EST Received: from acs4.bu.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01500; Wed, 17 Feb 99 09:58:14 EST Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs4.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.b5.ACS)/) with SMTP id JAA196846; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:57:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: Ruth Jedlinsky Cc: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: hi! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: Ruth Jedlinsky Cc: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: hi! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I suppose it's more to save _boring_ time. Taking the T to Alewife etc etc is boring, but spending time with Dave and Ruth is not! :o) Becca who can't access her email from home anymore, sigh! Some problem with "packets" or something... :o( On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Ruth Jedlinsky wrote: > If you're worried about conserving time, going to NH the night before and > then spending at least 45 minutes to drive back to Burlington seems like > more of a waste of time than spending an hour and a half to take the bus. > I'm not complaining about the company, just pointing out that if the > purpose is to save time, it doesn't work well. > > Ruth > > > At 5:04 PM 2/16/99, Rebecca A. Consentino wrote: > >:o) But timewise, a car is probably preferable. Getting to Alewife from my > >apt. takes a good 45 minutes or more, because the B line is so slow. > > >  1, answered,, Summary-line: 17-Feb goodmanj@MIT.EDU #accomodations Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA11144; Wed, 17 Feb 99 11:25:45 EST Received: from AMPERSAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18477; Wed, 17 Feb 99 11:25:31 EST Received: by ampersand.mit.edu (8.8.8/4.7) id LAA18933; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:25:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902171625.LAA18933@ampersand.mit.edu> To: eichin@thok.org, opus@MIT.EDU Subject: accomodations Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:25:39 EST From: Jason Goodman *** EOOH *** To: eichin@thok.org, opus@MIT.EDU Subject: accomodations Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:25:39 EST From: Jason Goodman As of 11 am Wednesday, I've received 9 nos, 4 yeses, and 4 "I'm not sure"s. That's 17 of ~40 invitees. Of the remainder, I can count about 10-14 people who'll almost certainly say no. Assuming (conservatively) 5 of the remaining 10 people say yes, that's a total group of 10, maybe less. Point being, if you want to stay at my place, there will probably be space available. My house has a guest cottage (1br, 1 sofabed, 1 bath), a spare bedroom, and a sofabed in the den. This gives (more or less) comfortable sleeping for 8 people. We've got a pair of cots that can go somewhere too. If you want to split a hotel room, that's fine, too. Mark, you mentioned arranging plans with Laura. Is she coming too? She'd be welcome. Jason  1,, Summary-line: 17-Feb goodmanj@MIT.EDU #Re: accomodations Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24530; Wed, 17 Feb 99 18:01:59 EST Received: from AMPERSAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01026; Wed, 17 Feb 99 18:01:45 EST Received: by ampersand.mit.edu (8.8.8/4.7) id SAA19442; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:01:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902172301.SAA19442@ampersand.mit.edu> To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: rls@dimins.com Subject: Re: accomodations In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:43:27 EST." <199902172043.PAA21595@charon.MIT.EDU> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:01:53 EST From: Jason Goodman *** EOOH *** To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: rls@dimins.com Subject: Re: accomodations In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:43:27 EST." <199902172043.PAA21595@charon.MIT.EDU> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:01:53 EST From: Jason Goodman Got a few more replies today -- two friends of mine (grad students at yale) are very interested, pending $$ issues. They definitely will be staying at my house if they come. I talked to a travel agent and couldn't get anything better than your $964 from Manchester or $1227 from Boston. I'm going to talk with my parents about whether they'd like me to come before or after Xmas -- if they don't care one way or the other, I wonder if you'd mind if I came up to your place the night before and caught the same flight from Manchester with you. I'd be happy to help you haul your luggage... Jason  1,, Summary-line: 18-Feb mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Appearing Nightly! Four Nurses of the Apocalypse! Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA14446; Thu, 18 Feb 99 08:42:15 EST Received: from relay6.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23321; Thu, 18 Feb 99 08:42:34 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay6.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10DTiG-0003Jj-00; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:41:56 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:41:48 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Appearing Nightly! Four Nurses of the Apocalypse! Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:41:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Appearing Nightly! Four Nurses of the Apocalypse! Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:41:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products > > BEFORE STARTING A ROCK BAND, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THE FOLOWING NAMES > ARE > > ALREADY TAKEN: > > > > > > >> [ a ] > > > > > >> Albino Toilet Boys > > > > > >> Alcoholocaust > > > > > >> Alcoholics Unanimous > > > > > >> Apocalypse Hoboken > > > > > >> Armageddon Dildos > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ b ] > > > > > >> Biff Hitler and the Violent Mood Swings > > > > > >> The Band Formerly Known As Sausage > > > > > >> Band Over > > > > > >> Band That Shot Liberty Valence > > > > > >> Barbara's Bush > > > > > >> Bobby Joe Ebola and the Children MacNuggits > > > > > >> The Bourbon Tabernacle Choir > > > > > >> The Boxing Ghandis > > > > > >> Brady Bunch Lawnmower Massacre > > > > > >> Breakfast in Beruit > > > > > >> Bulimia Banquet > > > > > >> Buster Hymen & the Penetrators > > > > > >> Butthole Surfers > > > > > >> [ c ] > > > > > >> Caltransvestites > > > > > >> Cap'n Crunch and the Cereal Killers > > > > > >> Carnage Asada > > > > > >> Cindy Brady's Lisp > > > > > >> Cortizone 5 > > > > > >> Cottage Cheese from the Lips of Death > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ d ] > > > > > >> The Dancing French Liberals of 1848 > > > > > >> The Dead Sea Squirrels > > > > > >> The Dead Kennedys > > > > > >> The Dick Clarks > > > > > >> The Dick Nixons > > > > > >> Dicky Retardo > > > > > >> Drunks With Guns > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ e ] > > > > > >> e. coli > > > > > >> Edith Head > > > > > >> Electric Prostates > > > > > >> Elvis Hitler > > > > > >> Ethyl Merman > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ f ] > > > > > >> Fearless Iranians From Hell > > > > > >> Fields of Shit > > > > > >> '57 Lesbian > > > > > >> The 4-Skins > > > > > >> Four Nurses of the Apocalypse > > > > > >> The French are from Hell > > > > > >> Fromage d'Amour > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ g ] > > > > > >> Gefilte Joe and the Fish > > > > > >> Gonoreagan > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ h ] > > > > > >> Headless Marines > > > > > >> Hell Camino > > > > > >> Herpes Cineplex > > > > > >> Hindu Garage Sale > > > > > >> Hitler's Bikini > > > > > >> HIV and the Positives > > > > > >> Honest Bob and the Factory to Dealer Incentives > > > > > >> Hornets Attack Victor Mature > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ i ] > > > > > >> Impaled Nazarenes > > > > > >> Inhale Mary > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ j ] > > > > > >> Janitors Against Apartheid > > > > > >> Jehovah's Waitresses > > > > > >> Jehovah's Wetness > > > > > >> Jehovah's Witness Protection Program > > > > > >> Jesus Christ Super Fly > > > > > >> Jesus Chrysler Supercar > > > > > >> Jesus Manson and the Starvation Army > > > > > >> JFKFC > > > > > >> Jonestown Punch > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ k ] > > > > > >> Kathleen Turner Overdrive > > > > > >> Kerrigan's Knees > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ l ] > > > > > >> Lack of Afro > > > > > >> Lawn Piranhas > > > > > >> The Leave It To Beaver Conehead Immolation > > > > > >> Lee Harvey Keitel > > > > > >> Lesbian Ninjas > > > > > >> Louder Than God > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ m ] > > > > > >> Mao Tse Helen > > > > > >> Mary Kay and the Cosmetics > > > > > >> Max Roach and the Holders > > > > > >> Minnie Pearl's Jam > > > > > >> Mr. Happy and the Genocides > > > > > >> Mussolini Headkick > > > > > >> My Dog Has Hitler's Brain > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ n ] > > > > > >> Nate Nocturnal and the Nightly Emissions > > > > > >> Nervous Christians and the Lions > > > > > >> Norman Bates and the Shower Heads > > > > > >> Not Drowning, Waving > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ p ] > > > > > >> Pabst Smear > > > > > >> Pearl Harbor and the Explosions > > > > > >> Penis DeMilo > > > > > >> Pepto Dismal > > > > > >> Phenobarbidols > > > > > >> Phlegm Fatale > > > > > >> Poultry in Motion > > > > > >> Pretentious Flamedogs > > > > > >> The Pro-Midget Mafia > > > > > >> Psychic Buddhist Gorillas > > > > > >> Psycho Sluts from Hell > > > > > >> Pungent Frustration > > > > > >> Purple Headed Love Warriors > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ q ] > > > > > >> Quasimodo and the Eunuchs > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ r ] > > > > > >> Raging Pimps of Doom > > > > > >> Rectal Nightmare > > > > > >> Reluctant Stereotypes > > > > > >> Reserectum > > > > > >> Results of Inbreeding > > > > > >> Retarted Elf > > > > > >> Roid Rogers and the Whirling Butt Cherries > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ s ] > > > > > >> Sandy Duncan's Eye > > > > > >> Screaming Headless Torsos > > > > > >> Screaming Iguanas of Love > > > > > >> Screaming Moist Accountants > > > > > >> Septic Death > > > > > >> Seven Year Bitch > > > > > >> The Shamu Afterbirth Orchestra > > > > > >> Shirley Temple of Doom > > > > > >> Shirley Temple Pilots > > > > > >> Simulated Orgasms [Simulerte Orgasmer] > > > > > >> Skeptic Tank > > > > > >> Smegma & the Nuns > > > > > >> Smorgasborgnine > > > > > >> Solosex > > > > > >> The Sound of Munich > > > > > >> Spastic Colon > > > > > >> The Sphinctones > > > > > >> Stiff Richards > > > > > >> Stukas Over Bedrock > > > > > >> Swingin' Johnsons > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ t ] > > > > > >> Ted Bundy's Volkswagen > > > > > >> The Telephony Bandits of Doom > > > > > >> Temporary Darkening of the Stool > > > > > >> Testostertones > > > > > >> The Texas Nazis > > > > > >> Thank God We're Immortal > > > > > >> They Tried To Frame OJ > > > > > >> To Live and Shave in LA > > > > > >> Toxic Shock and the Tampons > > > > > >> Tracy & the Hindenburg Ground Crew > > > > > >> Tragic Mulatto > > > > > >> Transsexual Hitler > > > > > >> Trotsky Icepick > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ u ] > > > > > >> Uncle Dickie's Shameless Quickies > > > > > >> Unstoppable Kamikaze Iditos > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ v ] > > > > > >> Vaginal Davis > > > > > >> The Velcro Pygmies > > > > > >> Vic Morrow's Head > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ w ] > > > > > >> The Well Hungarians > > > > > >> Willie Nelson Mandela > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ y ] > > > > > >> Yoko Homo > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ z ] > > > > > >> Zip Code Rapists > > > > > >> Zombies Under Stress > > > > > >> Zulu Leprechauns >  1,, Summary-line: 18-Feb rls@dimins.com #Re: Kauai tickets Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10724; Thu, 18 Feb 99 15:34:11 EST Received: from di-diver.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19080; Thu, 18 Feb 99 15:33:54 EST Received: (from mail@localhost) by sam-sheepdog.dimins.com (8.8.7/8.7.1) id PAA17652 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:34:21 -0500 Received: from dizzy-devil.dimins.com(204.215.187.16) by sam-sheepdog.dimins.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017640; Thu, 18 Feb 99 15:34:13 -0500 X-Sender: rls@204.215.187.3 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:34:02 -0500 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: rls@dimins.com (Ruth Jedlinsky) Subject: Re: Kauai tickets *** EOOH *** X-Sender: rls@204.215.187.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:34:02 -0500 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: rls@dimins.com (Ruth Jedlinsky) Subject: Re: Kauai tickets > What else do you >want me to do? make sure we have someplace to stay. We could take a taxi if we had to. Do we need passports for any reason? If we go out on a boat or anything? I'm on the phone with United now. Ruth  1,, Summary-line: 18-Feb rac@bu.edu #Re: today's observations Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12455; Thu, 18 Feb 99 15:36:55 EST Received: from acs5.bu.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20119; Thu, 18 Feb 99 15:36:39 EST Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs5.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.b5.ACS)/) with SMTP id PAA10780; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:36:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:36:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: aallen@welchs.com, scott@hup.harvard.edu Subject: Re: today's observations In-Reply-To: <199902182013.PAA26049@charon.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:36:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: aallen@welchs.com, scott@hup.harvard.edu Subject: Re: today's observations In-Reply-To: <199902182013.PAA26049@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You too are way too predictable... On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, David C. Jedlinsky wrote: > > >Dave is such a planner. It makes me sick. > > Good thing, too. I got the last tickets on the plane. I guess > there's a lot of planners out there. > > >He probably has blueprints for sex. > > Wouldn't you like to know. ;-) > >  1,, Summary-line: 18-Feb AAllen@welchs.com #RE: today's observations Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12948; Thu, 18 Feb 99 15:37:43 EST Received: from [12.15.134.131] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20378; Thu, 18 Feb 99 15:37:29 EST Received: by SRVEX10 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:39:14 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'Rebecca A. Consentino'" , "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: scott@hup.harvard.edu Subject: RE: today's observations Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:39:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE5B7E.BEDE993E" *** EOOH *** From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'Rebecca A. Consentino'" , "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: scott@hup.harvard.edu Subject: RE: today's observations Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:39:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE5B7E.BEDE993E" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE5B7E.BEDE993E Content-Type: text/plain I'm really not THAT predictable, becca. I just like to make you feel smart and observant and intuitive. Isn't that nice of me?? > -----Original Message----- > From: Rebecca A. Consentino [SMTP:rac@bu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 3:37 PM > To: David C. Jedlinsky > Cc: aallen@welchs.com; scott@hup.harvard.edu > Subject: Re: today's observations > > > You too are way too predictable... > > On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, David C. Jedlinsky wrote: > > > > > >Dave is such a planner. It makes me sick. > > > > Good thing, too. I got the last tickets on the plane. I guess > > there's a lot of planners out there. > > > > >He probably has blueprints for sex. > > > > Wouldn't you like to know. ;-) > > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE5B7E.BEDE993E Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: today's observations

I'm really = not THAT predictable, becca.  I just like to make you feel smart = and observant and intuitive.  Isn't that nice of me??

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   Rebecca A. Consentino [SMTP:rac@bu.edu]
    Sent:   Thursday, February 18, 1999 3:37 PM
    To:     David C. Jedlinsky
    Cc:     aallen@welchs.com; scott@hup.harvard.edu
    Subject:       = Re: today's observations


    You too are way too = predictable...

    On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, = David C. Jedlinsky wrote:

    >
    > >Dave is = such a planner.  It makes me sick.
    >
    > Good thing, = too.  I got the last tickets on the plane.  I guess
    > there's a lot = of planners out there.
    >
    > >He = probably has blueprints for sex.
    >
    > Wouldn't you = like to know.  ;-)
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BE5B7E.BEDE993E--  1,, Summary-line: 18-Feb goodmanj@MIT.EDU #Re: Kauai tickets Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15683; Thu, 18 Feb 99 15:42:00 EST Received: from AMPERSAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21816; Thu, 18 Feb 99 15:41:47 EST Received: by ampersand.mit.edu (8.8.8/4.7) id PAA21806; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:41:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902182041.PAA21806@ampersand.mit.edu> To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Kauai tickets In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:11:33 EST." <199902182011.PAA26042@charon.MIT.EDU> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:41:55 EST From: Jason Goodman *** EOOH *** To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Kauai tickets In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:11:33 EST." <199902182011.PAA26042@charon.MIT.EDU> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:41:55 EST From: Jason Goodman $700 split eight ways isn't bad. Re options, since my parents will probably be coming to see me arrive anyway, they ought to be able to pick up the van -- though there's the issue of multiple drivers to contend with then. Hmm, Avis doesn't have minivans, but they do have SUVs, for $400/week, which could be useful for trips to a few backcountry areas...  1,, Summary-line: 19-Feb goodmanj@MIT.EDU, raebur #Flight itinerary Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23262; Fri, 19 Feb 99 19:00:29 EST Received: from CHARON.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24455; Fri, 19 Feb 99 19:00:55 EST Received: (from opus@localhost) by charon.MIT.EDU (8.7.6/2.3JIK) id TAA02242; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:00:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:00:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199902200000.TAA02242@charon.MIT.EDU> From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: goodmanj@MIT.EDU, raeburn@cygnus.com, rls@dimins.com Cc: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: Flight itinerary *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:00:30 -0500 From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: goodmanj@MIT.EDU, raeburn@cygnus.com, rls@dimins.com Cc: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: Flight itinerary I've got the actual tickets in my hand. Okay, in my safe (close enough). The final cost is $996.75 + $5.00 service fee per ticket. I'll want a check sometime in the next few weeks, before the credit card bill is due. Here is the flight itinerary: MHT=Manchester, IAD=Washington Dulles, LAX=Los Angeles, LIH=Lihue All flights on United Airlines. All times local. 29 DEC 99 (Wednesday) 7377 MHT-IAD Depart 10:10am Arrive 12:00pm (J41 jet) 191 IAD-LAX Depart 12:30pm Arrive 2:54pm (A319 jet, Lunch & Movie) 65 LAX-LIH Depart 5:45pm Arrive 9:46pm (757 jet, Dinner & Movie) 11 JAN 00 (Tuesday) 66 LIH-LAX Depart 11:16pm Arrive 6:37am (757 jet, Snack & Movie) 12 JAN 00 (Wednesday) 962 LAX-IAD Depart 8:00am Arrive 3:40pm (747, Brkfst, snack & Movie) 7380 IAD-MHT Depart 4:45pm Arrive 6:38pm (J41 jet) -Dave  1,, Summary-line: 22-Feb goodmanj@MIT.EDU #Current guest list -- housing crunch -- Big Island. Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22038; Mon, 22 Feb 99 01:19:31 EST Received: from AMPERSAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21976; Mon, 22 Feb 99 01:19:13 EST Received: by ampersand.mit.edu (8.8.8/4.7) id BAA05850; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:19:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902220619.BAA05850@ampersand.mit.edu> To: opus@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, geoffrey_clark_collins@brown.edu, eichin@thok.org, raeburn@MIT.EDU, jhango@suberic.net, michelle.herder@yale.edu, mitchell@math.yale.edu, aharleytoo@aol.com, deborah@suberic.net, allen@suberic.net, jrowan@mandli.com, asarahm@MIT.EDU Cc: Jason Goodman Subject: Current guest list -- housing crunch -- Big Island. Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:19:24 EST From: Jason Goodman *** EOOH *** To: opus@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, geoffrey_clark_collins@brown.edu, eichin@thok.org, raeburn@MIT.EDU, jhango@suberic.net, michelle.herder@yale.edu, mitchell@math.yale.edu, aharleytoo@aol.com, deborah@suberic.net, allen@suberic.net, jrowan@mandli.com, asarahm@MIT.EDU Cc: Jason Goodman Subject: Current guest list -- housing crunch -- Big Island. Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:19:24 EST From: Jason Goodman Hello! If you're receiving this, it means you've told me you're likely to come to Hawaii for New Year's 2000. If this changes, please let me know. You are: Dave Jedlinsky M Ruth Jedlinsky M Geoffrey Collins C Beth Ashman-Collins C Mark Eichin M Ken Raeburn M Jennie Hango M/C Michelle Herder C Curtis Mitchell C Rachel McIlhenny C Deborah Kaplan C Allen Petersen C Rowan Littell C Jennizie Ziebarth C Sarah McDougal M (M means I know you through MIT connections; C means through Carleton connections.) Counting myself (but *not* Carolyn; sadly, she can't come), there are 16 of us. This is way too many to stay at my house. If you feel you can afford alternate accomodations (an expense on the order of $50-$80 per person per night (*)), please let me know. (*) This number was pulled out of my butt, based on rough things I've seen on the Web. I know it's possible to spend less than this (I've seen ads for a B&B or two in Kilauea charging $50-$60 a night for two) and if all the cheap places are taken it's possible to spend much more. No matter where people are staying, we'll all be doing lots of things together -- in fact, we may occasionally want to move the designated hang-out area to a hotel suite to avoid annoying my parents unduly. You've no cause to worry that we'll abandon you in your hotel room. If I don't get enough volunteers to stay in hotel rooms or other accomodations, I'll have to call on people. I will do so according to autocratic communist principles: from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. I decide who's needy and who isn't, but I hope you'll point out any misconceptions I may make. As I mentioned before, the priority for staying at my place is students first, working professionals last. There are three sets of couples of whom one is working and one is a student. I honestly don't know where in the spectrum I should put them: I hope they'll tell me. Dave Jedlinsky (opus@mit.edu) has mentioned having most or all of the outside-accomodations folk split a large condo with multiple bedrooms to reduce costs. Contact him (and tell me) if you're interested in getting in on this. Okay, enough depressing money matters. Two different people have mentioned an interest in taking a side trip to see the Big Island of Hawaii. This is the island with the active volcanoes on it. Who's interested in this? Interisland airfare will probably run $150 or so -- once there, we'd have to rent cars and get hotel rooms in Hilo or Kona, or (I like this idea) either camp or get a cabin inside Volcanoes National Park. Camping or cabining is attractive because it's cheaper and saves a long drive from Kona or Hilo to the volcano area -- however, camping requires some logistics and luggage, and cabining requires reservations well, well in advance. Rental cars are required in whatever case; I haven't inquired into the price of the cabins. Note also that people with a hotel room on Kauai may end up paying for two rooms at once. I expect only a subset of people to want to go to the Big Island, with the rest staying on Kauai. Let me know if you want to do this, and what sort of sleeping accomondations you'd prefer. I'll stop bugging you about all this soon, I promise! Jason  1,, Summary-line: 22-Feb AAllen@welchs.com #FW: Fw: my life, in a netshell Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07859; Mon, 22 Feb 99 10:11:36 EST Received: from [12.15.134.131] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13194; Mon, 22 Feb 99 10:12:03 EST Received: by SRVEX10 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:13:08 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Allen, Amy" To: "Daniel, Zoe" , "'kurtk007@aol.com'" , "Ortigoza, Traci" , "'acranford@gunnpartners.com'" , "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" , "'ellen.spear@infores.com'" Subject: FW: Fw: my life, in a netshell Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:13:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE5E75.DA33DB6E" *** EOOH *** From: "Allen, Amy" To: "Daniel, Zoe" , "'kurtk007@aol.com'" , "Ortigoza, Traci" , "'acranford@gunnpartners.com'" , "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" , "'ellen.spear@infores.com'" Subject: FW: Fw: my life, in a netshell Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:13:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BE5E75.DA33DB6E" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE5E75.DA33DB6E Content-Type: text/plain Kinda fun.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Thompson, Aaron [SMTP:Aaron_Thompson@AFCC.com] > Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 2:58 PM > To: 'Amy Allen'; 'Becky'; 'Bekka'; 'Connie Vandergriff'; 'Daniel, Zoe'; > 'Jen P.'; 'Keb Roberts'; 'Phil'; Klingen, Lisa; Epperson, Denny; Gunnels, > Parrish; White, Tana; Taffal, Hadi; Ha, Lan > Subject: FW: Fw: my life, in a netshell > > > > Aaron Thompson > QA/Testing/PVCS > (972) 652-8567 > > > > > > > Subject: my life, in a netshell > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Okay, here's what you're supposed to do. Copy this e-mail and change > > > >all > > > >> the answers so they apply to you...then send it to everyone you > > know, > > > >> INCLUDING the person who sent you this. So you should get back a > > lot > > > >>of > > > >> get-to-know-you e-mails, too. You'll learn a lot about your > > friends > > > >> and/or family that you maybe didn't know! Please take 10 minutes > > out > > > >>of > > > >> your day to do this! > > > > > > > > > ULTIMATE SURVEY FOR: Amy > > NAME GIVEN AT BIRTH: Amy Elizabeth Allen > > NICKNAME: Tigger/Aimster > > HOMETOWN: where I was born? Orlando, FLA > > CURRENT RESIDENCE: Acton, MA > > CROUTONS OR BACON BITS? Croutons > > FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: Rasberry Vinagrette > > SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: Both! > > HAVE YOU EVER BEEN SKINNY DIPPING?: Of course > > DO YOU MAKE FUN OF PEOPLE?: constantly > > FAVORITE COLOR: purple > > HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: no > > BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: Dave, Becca, Scott > > ONE PILLOW OR TWO: one > > PETS: cats, 2, Annabelle and Peanut > > FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: Jazz, opera, G&S, show tunes > > HOBBIES: Musical Theater, drama, tennis, beanie babies, Civil War > history > > TOOTHPASTE: Tom's of Maine Peppermint > > FAVORITE FOOD: lasagna > > ON-LINE CRUSH: none > > DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENTS?: depends on the day > > FAVORITE TOWN TO CHILL IN: Boston, of course > > FAVORITE ICE CREAM: Ben & Jerry's Chubby Hubby > > FAVORITE DRINK: Stoli vanilla white russian > > WHAT'S YOUR BED TIME: 11 > > ADIDAS, REEBOK, NIKE: Reebok > > FAVORITE PERFUME/COLOGNE: Body Shop White Musk > > FAVORITE WEBSITE: www.welchs.com, of course!!!! > > FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: English/Literature/History > > LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: Chemistry/Physics > > FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: Tennis > > HUMILIATING MOMENT: Spilling a urine sample on a cute doctor during a > physical when I > was eighteen years old > > CRAZIEST PERSON OR SILLIEST YOU KNOW: Becca > > WHAT DO YOU LOOK FOR IN THE OPPOSITE SEX: someone who can carry on a > conversation, has a sense of humor, and can fill out a pair of jeans > nicely...:-) > > SAY ONE NICE THING ABOUT THE PERSON WHO SENT THIS TO YOU AND BE SURE > > TO SEND IT BACK TO THEM: Aaron really knows how to make me laugh and is > a lot of fun to be around.... > > PERSON YOU SENT THIS TO THAT IS LEAST LIKELY TO RESPOND: Traci.... > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE5E75.DA33DB6E Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: Fw: my life, in a netshell

Kinda = fun....

-----Original Message-----
From:   Thompson, Aaron = [SMTP:Aaron_Thompson@AFCC.com]
Sent:   Friday, February 19, 1999 2:58 PM
To:     'Amy Allen'; 'Becky'; 'Bekka'; 'Connie Vandergriff'; = 'Daniel, Zoe'; 'Jen P.'; 'Keb Roberts'; 'Phil'; Klingen, Lisa; = Epperson, Denny; Gunnels, Parrish; White, Tana; Taffal, Hadi; Ha, = Lan

Subject:       = FW: Fw: my life, in a = netshell



Aaron = Thompson
QA/Testing/PVCS
(972) = 652-8567

> >
> > Subject: = my life, in a netshell
> >
> >
> > = >
> > = >>Okay, here's what you're supposed to do. Copy this e-mail and = change
> > = >all
> > >> = the answers so they apply to you...then send it to everyone you
> know,
> > >> = INCLUDING the person who sent you this.  So you should get back = a
> lot
> > = >>of
> > >> = get-to-know-you e-mails, too.  You'll learn a lot about = your
> friends
> > >> = and/or family that you maybe didn't know!  Please take 10 = minutes
> out
> > = >>of
> > >> = your day to do this!
> >
> 
> 
> ULTIMATE = SURVEY FOR: Amy
> NAME GIVEN AT = BIRTH: Amy Elizabeth Allen
> = NICKNAME:  Tigger/Aimster
> HOMETOWN: = where I was born?  Orlando, FLA
> CURRENT = RESIDENCE: Acton, MA
> CROUTONS OR = BACON BITS?  Croutons
> FAVORITE SALAD = DRESSING: Rasberry Vinagrette
> SHAMPOO OR = CONDITIONER: Both!
> HAVE YOU EVER = BEEN SKINNY DIPPING?: Of course
> DO YOU MAKE = FUN OF PEOPLE?: constantly
> FAVORITE = COLOR: purple
> HAVE YOU EVER = BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME:  no
> BEST ON-LINE = FRIENDS: Dave, Becca, Scott
> ONE PILLOW OR = TWO:  one
> PETS: cats, 2, = Annabelle and Peanut
> FAVORITE TYPES = OF MUSIC: Jazz, opera, G&S, show tunes
> HOBBIES:  = Musical Theater, drama, tennis, beanie babies, Civil War history
> TOOTHPASTE: = Tom's of Maine Peppermint
> FAVORITE = FOOD:  lasagna
> ON-LINE = CRUSH:  none
> DO YOU GET = ALONG WITH YOUR PARENTS?:  depends on the day
> FAVORITE TOWN = TO CHILL IN:  Boston, of course
> FAVORITE ICE = CREAM:  Ben & Jerry's Chubby Hubby
> FAVORITE = DRINK:  Stoli vanilla white russian
> WHAT'S YOUR = BED TIME:  11
> ADIDAS, = REEBOK, NIKE:  Reebok
> FAVORITE = PERFUME/COLOGNE:  Body Shop White Musk
> FAVORITE = WEBSITE:  www.welchs.com, of course!!!!
> FAVORITE = SUBJECT IN SCHOOL:  English/Literature/History
> LEAST FAVORITE = SUBJECT: Chemistry/Physics
> FAVORITE SPORT = TO WATCH: Tennis
> HUMILIATING = MOMENT: Spilling a urine sample on a cute doctor during a physical when = I
was eighteen years = old
> CRAZIEST = PERSON OR SILLIEST YOU KNOW: Becca
> WHAT DO YOU = LOOK FOR IN THE OPPOSITE SEX: someone who can carry on a conversation, = has a sense of humor, and can fill out a pair of jeans = nicely...:-)

> SAY ONE NICE = THING ABOUT THE PERSON WHO SENT THIS TO YOU AND BE SURE
> TO SEND IT = BACK TO THEM:  Aaron really knows how to make me laugh and is a = lot of fun to be around....
> PERSON YOU = SENT THIS TO THAT IS LEAST LIKELY TO RESPOND: Traci....
>
>
>
> = _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU = YAHOO!?
> Get your free = @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01BE5E75.DA33DB6E--  1,, Summary-line: 22-Feb KurtK007@aol.com #Fwd: My life, in a nutshell Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA17759; Mon, 22 Feb 99 23:38:47 EST Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17718; Mon, 22 Feb 99 23:39:14 EST Received: from KurtK007@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HVLDa20271; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:27:16 +1900 (EST) From: KurtK007@aol.com Message-Id: <3ca2896.36d22e24@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:27:16 EST To: aallen@welchs.com, rac@bu.edu, zdaniel@welchs.com, scott@hup.harvard.edu, jphealey@massed.net, cynthia_janeczko@manulife.com, opus@MIT.EDU, ris@dimins.com, toddlong@erols.com, sonya_p13@yahoo.com, ajr-asid@juno.com, DonnaRslr@aol.com, SugarHil20@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: My life, in a nutshell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 *** EOOH *** From: KurtK007@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:27:16 EST To: aallen@welchs.com, rac@bu.edu, zdaniel@welchs.com, scott@hup.harvard.edu, jphealey@massed.net, cynthia_janeczko@manulife.com, opus@MIT.EDU, ris@dimins.com, toddlong@erols.com, sonya_p13@yahoo.com, ajr-asid@juno.com, DonnaRslr@aol.com, SugarHil20@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: My life, in a nutshell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 > > > Subject: my life, in a nutshell > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Okay, here's what you're supposed to do. Copy this e-mail and change > > > >all > > > >> the answers so they apply to you...then send it to everyone you > > know, > > > >> INCLUDING the person who sent you this. So you should get back a > > lot > > > >>of > > > >> get-to-know-you e-mails, too. You'll learn a lot about your > > friends > > > >> and/or family that you maybe didn't know! Please take 10 minutes > > out > > > >>of > > > >> your day to do this! > > > > > > > > > ULTIMATE SURVEY FOR: Kurt > > NAME GIVEN AT BIRTH: Kurt Allen Kendall > > NICKNAME: My older brothers refer to me endearingly as -- Squirt > > HOMETOWN: Akron, Ohio > > CURRENT RESIDENCE: Natick, MA > > CROUTONS OR BACON BITS? Croutons > > FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: Italian > > SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: Shampoo > > HAVE YOU EVER BEEN SKINNY DIPPING?: Yep...and no shrinkage here !! > > DO YOU MAKE FUN OF PEOPLE?: Only when provoked > > FAVORITE COLOR: Green > > HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: Not yet. > > BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: Anyone who actually responds. > > ONE PILLOW OR TWO: Two, definately. > > PETS: Arnold... ok, he's my plant. > > FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: Everything excluding country and rap. > > HOBBIES: Music performance (various outlets), mountain biking, hiking, ornithology, supporting the arts. > > TOOTHPASTE: Depends on which one "leaps" into my cart at the store. > > FAVORITE FOOD: Coffee and donuts. > > ON-LINE CRUSH: Been crushed many times, but not on-line yet. > > DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENTS?: Absolutely. > > FAVORITE TOWN TO CHILL IN: Bean-town, USA > > FAVORITE ICE CREAM: Mint Chocolate-Chip. > > FAVORITE DRINK: Very dry vodka martini on the rocks with a twist. > > WHAT'S YOUR BED TIME: Whenever she's ready. > > ADIDAS, REEBOK, NIKE: Nike. > > FAVORITE PERFUME/COLOGNE: Anything on an attractive member of the opposite sex. > > FAVORITE WEBSITE: None > > FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: Science (the full spectrum of disciplines), Music > > LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: English > > FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: Basketball > > HUMILIATING MOMENT: Hmm... get back to ya on that. > > CRAZIEST PERSON OR SILLIEST YOU KNOW: Becca -- silliest for sure. > > WHAT DO YOU LOOK FOR IN THE OPPOSITE SEX: Doesn't matter, they're never looking for me. > > SAY ONE NICE THING ABOUT THE PERSON WHO SENT THIS TO YOU AND BE SURE > > TO SEND IT BACK TO THEM: Amy -- Ms. Personallity, Becca -- Ms. Sweetheart (I got this survey from you both at the same time.) > > PERSON YOU SENT THIS TO THAT IS LEAST LIKELY TO RESPOND: I always provoke a response. It's just not always positive.  1,, Summary-line: 23-Feb Donna@VirtualVoices.com #Re: Tax headache Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09057; Tue, 23 Feb 99 01:40:26 EST Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17430; Tue, 23 Feb 99 01:40:02 EST Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA24544 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:40:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from mad-wi6-24.ix.netcom.com(204.31.243.152) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024524; Tue Feb 23 00:40:02 1999 Message-Id: <36D24CD2.2FFF@VirtualVoices.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:38:10 -0600 From: DMM Reply-To: Donna@VirtualVoices.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Tax headache References: <199902171842.NAA21323@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:38:10 -0600 From: DMM Reply-To: Donna@VirtualVoices.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Tax headache References: <199902171842.NAA21323@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Dave, It would be best all around to have your employer fix this error. We have been sending in a seperate tax form in MA for Ruth to avoid taxing your income there. This would leave me no choice but to put you on that return as well. Donna David C. Jedlinsky wrote: > > Hi Donna! > > I've got my W-2 form, and there appears to be a problem with it. In > box 16, under State, they list MA, even though I work in NH. In box > 17, they list $2067.00 for State wages. > > What happened is that my employer changed payroll companies during the > year, and the first two paychecks incorrectly took out Mass. taxes. I > complained about it, and they sent me a check to cover the amount > withheld. However, the gross pay for those two weeks shows up as I've > described above. > > Can you tell me if I should be pursuing the payroll company to fix it, > or is it ok? As it stands now, do I have to file with Massachusetts > because my W-2 says I worked there for two weeks? > > Thanks. > > -Dave  1,, Summary-line: 23-Feb BMILLER@holycross.edu #Additional Buxton Symposium Event Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA25863; Tue, 23 Feb 99 12:27:46 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06662; Tue, 23 Feb 99 12:28:13 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA20534; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:26:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:26:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: BMILLER@holycross.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bruce I. Miller" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Additional Buxton Symposium Event Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:26:08 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: BMILLER@holycross.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bruce I. Miller" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Additional Buxton Symposium Event Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 The following announcement, by Bruce I. Miller and Helga J. Perry, concerns a symposium event to be given by us at the Buxton Gilbert & Sullivan Festival this summer. We are permitted by the Festival administration to say that there will be a special brochure concerning all the details of every Symposium event, to be mailed very soon. This preliminary announcement is being made so that people who may be interested in our subject will have sufficient notice to make plans. We will be presenting a lecture/recital on the topic, "Gilbert and Sullivan Rarities: Music from the Cutting Room Floor," on Thursday, July 29, 3:00 p.m. in the Paxton Theatre. Admission as a separate event will be available for a fee of 5 pounds. Booking will be available once the separate brochure is issued. The performing forces will include an orchestra of approximately 30 with a chorus of about the same number. Guest soloists will include Michael Rayner and Jean Hindmarsh. We will be presenting and discussing excerpts from the operas which are rarely, if ever, heard, including a portion of the Iolanthe Act I finale which was blue-penciled out and probably never performed prior to 1994; earlier, discarded versions of familiar musical numbers; other discarded passages which survive in Sullivan's autographs although they were cut; and a rather significant surprise which we will be able to disclose after April 15. This lecture/recital should be of interest not only because this music is so infrequently heard or otherwise not known generally, but also because we hope to shed some light on the creative process of the authors.  1,, Summary-line: 24-Feb mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Medical Terms Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27782; Wed, 24 Feb 99 13:11:46 EST Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AB06950; Wed, 24 Feb 99 13:12:13 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10Fim1-00004w-00; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:11:06 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:11:02 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin , Annette Pacey , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly DiTullio , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: Medical Terms Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:10:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin , Annette Pacey , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly DiTullio , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: Medical Terms Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:10:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > >A glossary of Medical Terms, and alternate meanings. > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > Benign................What you be after you be eight. > > > > Artery................The study of paintings. > > > > Bacteria..............Back door to cafeteria. > > > > Barium................What doctors do when patients die. > > > > Cesarean Section......A neighborhood in Rome. > > > > Catscan...............Searching for kitty. > > > > Cauterize.............Made eye contact with her. > > > > Colic.................A sheep dog. > > > > Coma..................A punctuation mark. > > > > D & C.................Where Washington is. > > > > Dilate................To live long. > > > > Enema.................Not a friend. > > > > Fester................Quicker than someone else. > > > > Fibula................A small lie. > > > > Genital...............Non-Jewish person. > > > > Hangnail..............What you hang your coat on. > > > > Impotent..............Distinguished, well known. > > > > Labor Pain............Getting hurt at work. > > > > Medical Staff.........A Doctor's cane. > > > > Morbid................A higher offer than I bid. > > > > Nitrates..............Cheaper than day rates. > > > > Node..................Was aware of > > > > Outpatient.... .......A person who has fainted. > > > > Pelvis................Second cousin to Elvis. > > > > Post Operative........A letter carrier. > > > > Recovery Room.........Place to do upholstery. > > > > Rectum................Darn near killed him. > > > > Secretion.............Hiding something. > > > > Seizure...............Roman emperor. > > > > Tablet................A small table. > > > > Terminal Illness......Getting sick at the Bus > > Station > > > > Tumor.................More than one. > > > > Urine.................Opposite of you're out. > > > > Varicose..............Near by/close by. > > > > Vein..................Conceited. > [Rica Mendes-Barry] >> Q. 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Thu, 25 Feb 99 01:14:18 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12232; Thu, 25 Feb 99 01:14:04 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id BAA22807; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:12:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:12:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <9d533b53.36d4e74a@aol.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: MusikDrama@aol.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: MusikDrama@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Flanders & Swann - Ill wind (OFF TOPIC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:12:35 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: MusikDrama@aol.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: MusikDrama@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Flanders & Swann - Ill wind (OFF TOPIC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 2/24/99 5:32:19 AM, ornstn@home.com writes: << Did you know that Mozart's Symphony no. 40 begins, "It's a bird, it's a plane, no, it's Mozart"? >> The way I learned it was: "It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a Mozart, You can tell by the shape of the tune; You can hear it high up in the French horn, Or way down in the contrabassoon!" And yes, I know Mozart didn't write for the contrabassoon, if it even existed at all during his lifetime! Josefa Heifetz's take on this piece (in her slim volume "From Bach to Verse: Comic Mnemonics for Famous Musical Themes") is rather far-fetched, but is at least more true to Mozart's rhythm, in addition to including a rather remarkable rhyme, of which I think Gilbert would have approved (just to drag this back on topic!): Give a hand To the band Playing Mozart. He wrote music both charming And witty. "C'est jolie Mon ami," Just to quote Sartre. I agree with my friend That it's pretty. Steve Lichtenstein MusikDrama@aol.com  1,, Summary-line: 25-Feb cjsmith@MIT.EDU #jobs Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA17773; Thu, 25 Feb 99 12:21:47 EST Received: from DEPARTMENT-OF-ALCHEMY.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27340; Thu, 25 Feb 99 12:22:19 EST Received: by department-of-alchemy.mit.edu (8.8.7/4.7) id MAA12109; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:21:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902251721.MAA12109@department-of-alchemy.mit.edu> To: dinner@MIT.EDU, marymary@suberic.net, jhango@suberic.net, dmm@suberic.net Subject: jobs Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:21:45 EST From: CarolYN J Smith *** EOOH *** To: dinner@MIT.EDU, marymary@suberic.net, jhango@suberic.net, dmm@suberic.net Subject: jobs Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:21:45 EST From: CarolYN J Smith For those of you who dont know this, as of Monday Mar 1 I will be starting a new job :-) I'll be working at MGH-Charlestown, doing lab tech stuff in an Alzheimer's research lab. --Carolyn  1,, Summary-line: 25-Feb KurtK007@aol.com #(no subject) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27178; Fri, 26 Feb 99 21:53:28 EST Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01485; Fri, 26 Feb 99 21:54:00 EST Received: from KurtK007@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id KRTCa05340; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:18:56 -0500 (EST) From: KurtK007@aol.com Message-Id: <9ce6ad8d.36d53fb0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:18:56 EST To: aallen@welchs.com, rac@bu.edu, adunlap@state.ma.us, scott@hup.harvard.edu, jphealey@massed.net, cynthia_janeczko@manulife.com, opus@MIT.EDU, netnarnd@erols.com, toddlong@erols.com, sonya_p13@yahoo.com, Lonnie@KCCON.COM, ajr-asid@juno.com, DonnaRslr@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 *** EOOH *** From: KurtK007@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:18:56 EST To: aallen@welchs.com, rac@bu.edu, adunlap@state.ma.us, scott@hup.harvard.edu, jphealey@massed.net, cynthia_janeczko@manulife.com, opus@MIT.EDU, netnarnd@erols.com, toddlong@erols.com, sonya_p13@yahoo.com, Lonnie@KCCON.COM, ajr-asid@juno.com, DonnaRslr@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 For all you married folk out there... -Kurt FOR SALE BY OWNER Complete set of Encyclopedia Britannica. 45 volumes. 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"The problem is, ~ " she complained, "It wakes me up!"  1,, Summary-line: 1-Mar mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Anagram Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29196; Mon, 1 Mar 99 10:18:27 EST Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23116; Mon, 1 Mar 99 10:18:55 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10HUSB-0006CC-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:17:56 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:17:33 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Anagram Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:17:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Anagram Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:17:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Part II @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products > >>An Anagram, as you all know, is a word or phrase made by transposing > or > >>rearranging the letters of another word or phrase. > >>The following are exceptionally clever. Someone out there either has > way > >>too much time to waste or is deadly at Scrabble. > >> > >>Dormitory Dirty Room > >>Evangelist Evil's Agent > >>Desperation A Rope Ends It > >>The Morse Code Here Come Dots > >>Slot Machines Cash Lost in 'em > >>Animosity Is No Amity > >>Mother-in-law Woman Hitler > >>Snooze Alarms Alas! No More Z's > >>Alec Guinness Genuine Class > >>Semolina Is No Meal > >>The Public Art Galleries Large Picture Halls, I Bet > >>A Decimal Point I'm a Dot in Place > >>The Earthquakes That Queer Shake > >>Eleven plus two Twelve plus one > >>Contradiction Accord not in it > >> > >>This one's truly amazing: > >> > >> > >>To be or not to be: that is the question, whether tis nobler in the > mind > >>to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune." > >> > >>And the Anagram: > >>"In one of the Bard's best-thought-of tragedies, our insistent hero, > > >>Hamlet, queries on two fronts about how life turns rotten." > >> > >>And for the grand finale: > >>"That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind." Neil > >>Armstrong > >> > >>The Anagram: > >>"A thin man ran; makes a large stride, left planet, pins flag on > moon! > >>On to Mars!" > >> > >>Nope, one more! > >> > >>The following phrase is a perfect anagram to start the impeachment > >>trial: > >>PRESIDENT CLINTON OF THE USA > >> > >>It can be rearranged (with no letters left over, and using each > letter > >>only once) into: > >>TO COPULATE HE FINDS INTERNS > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >  1,, Summary-line: 1-Mar eichin@arepa.com #"groupsync" Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22814; Mon, 1 Mar 99 12:20:58 EST Received: from arepa.arepa.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24400; Mon, 1 Mar 99 12:20:34 EST Received: from noraneko.arepa.com (maneki-neko.arepa.com [207.180.18.131]) by arepa.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA31912; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:20:07 -0500 Received: by arepa.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for rls@dimins.com; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:19:59 -0500 (EST) To: nlgilman@MIT.EDU, jcb@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, opus@MIT.EDU, warlord@MIT.EDU Subject: "groupsync" Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Mark Eichin Date: 01 Mar 1999 12:19:58 -0500 Message-Id: Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 *** EOOH *** To: nlgilman@MIT.EDU, jcb@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, opus@MIT.EDU, warlord@MIT.EDU Subject: "groupsync" Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Mark Eichin Date: 01 Mar 1999 12:19:58 -0500 Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Here's a pointer to another app for keeping pilot datebooks in sync. I don't know if it is any good, I just happened to see it on pilotgear today... http://www.groupsync.co.uk/ In particular, it lets you select what *categories* to sync, if you're using datebk3...  1,, Summary-line: 1-Mar nlgilman@MIT.EDU #Re: "groupsync" Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27674; Mon, 1 Mar 99 12:32:46 EST Received: from CONTENTS-VNDER-PRESSVRE.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14362; Mon, 1 Mar 99 12:33:17 EST Received: by contents-vnder-pressvre.mit.edu (8.8.7/4.7) id MAA17018; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:32:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:32:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903011732.MAA17018@contents-vnder-pressvre.mit.edu> From: Nancy Louise Bigler Gilman To: eichin@arepa.com Cc: jcb@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, opus@MIT.EDU, warlord@MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: (message from Mark Eichin on 01 Mar 1999 12:19:58 -0500) Subject: Re: "groupsync" *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:32:41 -0500 (EST) From: Nancy Louise Bigler Gilman To: eichin@arepa.com Cc: jcb@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, opus@MIT.EDU, warlord@MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: (message from Mark Eichin on 01 Mar 1999 12:19:58 -0500) Subject: Re: "groupsync" From: Mark Eichin Date: 01 Mar 1999 12:19:58 -0500 Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Here's a pointer to another app for keeping pilot datebooks in sync. I don't know if it is any good, I just happened to see it on pilotgear today... http://www.groupsync.co.uk/ In particular, it lets you select what *categories* to sync, if you're using datebk3... Thanks! I just looked at the web pages and it looks a lot more like what I was looking for. If any of the rest of you try it I would be interested in the feedback. (Jeff doesn't have a pilot yet...) Thanks, Nancy  1,, Summary-line: 1-Mar mendes@aigfpc.com #BAD Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18082; Tue, 2 Mar 99 01:50:07 EST Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11942; Mon, 1 Mar 99 15:05:57 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10HYw1-0000xO-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:05:03 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:04:36 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Annette Pacey , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly DiTullio , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin Subject: BAD Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:04:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Annette Pacey , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly DiTullio , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin Subject: BAD Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:04:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain It's a little dirty - from Irv: COUPLES Three couples, an elderly couple, a middle-aged couple and a young newlywed couple wanted to join a church. The pastor said, "We have special requirements for new parishioners. You must abstain from having sex for two weeks." The couples agreed and came back at the end of two weeks. The pastor went to the elderly couple and asked, "Were you able to abstain from sex for the two weeks?" The old man replied, "No problem at all, Pastor." "Congratulations! Welcome to the church!" said the pastor. The pastor went to the middle-aged couple and asked, "Well, were you able to abstain from sex for the two weeks?" The man replied, "The first week was not too bad. The second week I had to sleep on the couch for a couple of nights but, yes we made it." "Congratulations! Welcome to the church!" said the pastor. The pastor then went to the newlywed couple and asked, "Well, were you able to abstain from sex for two weeks?" "No Pastor, we were not able to go without sex for the two weeks," the young man replied sadly. "What Happened?" inquired the pastor. "Well, my wife was reaching for a can of corn on the top shelf and dropped it. When she bent over to pick it up, I was overcome with lust and took advantage of her right there." "You understand, of course, this means you will not be welcome in our church," stated the pastor. "Yes, We know, said the young man. "We're not welcome at "Shaw's" anymore either." @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products  1,, Summary-line: 2-Mar KurtK007@aol.com #Fwd: A Hurt Little Girl Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA17993; Tue, 2 Mar 99 23:33:43 EST Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25510; Tue, 2 Mar 99 23:34:17 EST Received: from KurtK007@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id XKRa009891; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:18:25 +1900 (EST) From: KurtK007@aol.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:18:25 EST To: aallen@welchs.com, doncroft@juno.com, rac@bu.edu, zdaniel@welchs.com, scott@hup.harvard.edu, cynthia_janeczko@manulife.com, opus@MIT.EDU, toddlong@erols.com, UserGM@aol.com, sonya_p13@yahoo.com, ajr-asid@juno.com, DonnaRslr@aol.com, ellen.spear@infores.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: A Hurt Little Girl Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_920434706_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 *** EOOH *** From: KurtK007@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:18:25 EST To: aallen@welchs.com, doncroft@juno.com, rac@bu.edu, zdaniel@welchs.com, scott@hup.harvard.edu, cynthia_janeczko@manulife.com, opus@MIT.EDU, toddlong@erols.com, UserGM@aol.com, sonya_p13@yahoo.com, ajr-asid@juno.com, DonnaRslr@aol.com, ellen.spear@infores.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: A Hurt Little Girl Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_920434706_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_920434706_boundary Content-ID: <0_920434706@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Oh, my... leave it to my brother to send me this one.... -Kurt --part0_920434706_boundary Content-ID: <0_920434706@inet_out.mail.erols.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (rly-zb04.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.4]) by air-zb05.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:39:20 -0500 Received: from smtp-hub.mail.erols.net (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA11706; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by smtp-hub.mail.erols.net (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id UAA04813; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-computer (207-172-175-82.s19.as3.hck.nj.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.175.82]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA26743; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:39:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36DC9308.286C@erols.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:40:24 -0500 From: "Special\"K\"" Reply-To: netnarnd@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) To: DWal123@aol.com, jmoellendk@aol.com, kurtk007@aol.com, rlance@gene.COM, madogwhite@aol.com Subject: A Hurt Little Girl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A little girl came running into the house bawling her eyes out and cradling her hand: "Mummy, quick! Get me a glass of cider!" she wailed. "Why do you want a glass of cider?" asked her mom. "I cut my hand on a thorn, and I want the pain to go away!" Confused, but weary of the child's whining, the mother obliged and poured her a glass of cider. The little girl immediately dunked her hand in it. "Ouch! It still hurts! This cider doesn't work!" she whined. "What are you talking about?" asked her increasingly perplexed parent, "What ever made you think that cider would ease your pain?" "Well, I overheard my big sister say that whenever she gets a prick in her hand, she can't wait to get it in cider --part0_920434706_boundary--  1, edited,, Summary-line: 3-Mar elkor@mindspring.com #Legends and Lore Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27859; Wed, 3 Mar 99 23:15:13 EST Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA29401; Wed, 3 Mar 99 23:15:45 EST Received: from pcian (user-37kba63.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.168.195]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA03659; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:14:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990303231203.007b7790@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 23:12:03 -0500 To: "J. Sieracki" , , , "mary grace" , "Magorn" , "Linda Murray" , "Judith Bucolo" , "heidjer staecker" , "Drea Brandford" , "Donna Hirsch" , "dena heap" , "BJ Bagaria" , , "Jay Kaplan" , "Linnea Ruad" , "Rebecca L Neumiller" , "Maureen Kaplan" , "Mark Page" , "Kirk Wagner" , "Kendra Rosenberg" , "Deb Hooker" , "David C. Jedlinsky" , "Dave Policar" , "Cynthia J. Mallion" , "Cynthia Cole" From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Legends and Lore In-Reply-To: <01be6578$2acb4cc0$e6afaccf@jsieracki> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 23:12:03 -0500 To: "J. Sieracki" , , , "mary grace" , "Magorn" , "Linda Murray" , "Judith Bucolo" , "heidjer staecker" , "Drea Brandford" , "Donna Hirsch" , "dena heap" , "BJ Bagaria" , , "Jay Kaplan" , "Linnea Ruad" , "Rebecca L Neumiller" , "Maureen Kaplan" , "Mark Page" , "Kirk Wagner" , "Kendra Rosenberg" , "Deb Hooker" , "David C. Jedlinsky" , "Dave Policar" , "Cynthia J. Mallion" , "Cynthia Cole" From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Legends and Lore In-Reply-To: <01be6578$2acb4cc0$e6afaccf@jsieracki> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In the realm of "Might be true" these sound pretty reasonable. -Ian 1. In Shakespeare's time, mattresses were secured on bed frames by ropes when you pulled on the ropes the mattress tightened, making the bed firmer to sleep on. That's where the phrase, "goodnight, sleep tight" came from. 2. The term "the whole 9 yards" came from WWII fighter pilots in the Pacific. When arming their airplanes on the ground, the .50 caliber machine gun ammo belts measured exactly 27 feet, before being loaded into the fuselage. If the pilots fired all their ammo at a target, it got "the whole 9 yards." 3. The phrase "rule of thumb" is derived from an old English law which stated that you couldn't beat your wife with anything wider than your thumb. 4. The name Jeep came from the abbreviation used in the army for the "General Purpose" vehicle, G.P. 5. Ten percent of the Russian government's income comes from the sale of vodka. 6. It was the accepted practice in Babylon 4,000 years ago that for a month after the wedding, the bride's father would supply his son-in-law with all the mead he could drink. Mead is a honey beer, and because their calendar was lunar based, this period was called the "honey month" or what we know today as the "honeymoon." 7. In English pubs, ale is ordered by pints and quarts. So in old England, when customers got unruly, the bartender would yell at them to mind their own pints and quarts and settle down. It's where we get the phrase "mind your P's and Q's." 8. Many years ago in England, pub frequenters had a whistle baked into the rim or handle of their ceramic cups. When they needed a refill, they used the whistle to get some service. "Wet your whistle," is the phrase inspired by this practice.  1,, Summary-line: 5-Mar mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Deep Thoughts Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16335; Fri, 5 Mar 99 16:29:32 EST Received: from relay5.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13912; Fri, 5 Mar 99 16:29:08 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay5.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10J29i-00003X-00; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:29:15 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:29:08 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Deep Thoughts Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:29:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Deep Thoughts Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:29:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products > -----Original Message----- > From: Chiodo, Jane > Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 4:12 PM > To: Flynn, Kelly; Friedman, Kelly; Mendes, Rica > Subject: FW: Deep Thoughts > > Long - but a good way to waste some Friday time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Chiodo [SMTP:RCHIODO@mobius-inc.com] > Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 9:21 AM > To: 'Mike Surel'; 'Chris Chiodo'; 'Chiodo, Jane' > Subject: Deep Thoughts > > These sound like they were taken out of the book.... > > > You know one thing that will really make a woman mad? Just run up and > kick her in the butt. > > How come the dove gets to be the peace symbol? How about the pillow? > It has more feathers than the dove, and it doesn't have that dangerous > beak. > > Somebody told me it was frightening how much topsoil we are losing > each year, but I told that story around the campfire and nobody got > scared. > > One day one of my little nephews came up to me and asked me if the > equator was a real line that went around the Earth, or just an > imaginary one. I had to laugh. Laugh and laugh. Because I didn't know, > and I thought that maybe by laughing he would forget what he asked me. > > > If you're in a boxing match, try not to let the other guy's glove > touch your lips, because you don't know where that glove has been. > > I hope that after I die, people will say of me: ``That guy sure owed > me a lot of money.'' > > Whenever I need to ``get away,'' I just get away in my mind. I go to > my imaginary spot, where the beach is perfect and the water is perfect > and the weather is perfect. The only bad thing there are the flies. > They're terrible! > > If you ever reach total enlightenment while you're drinking a beer, I > bet it makes beer shoot out your nose. > > I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and > prejudices and just laugh at people. > > It's easy to sit there and say you'd like to have more money. And I > guess that's what I like about it. It's easy. Just sitting there, > rocking back and forth, wanting that money. > > I don't pretend to have all the answers. I don't pretend to even know > what the questions are. Hey, where am I? > > One thing about my Aunt Adie: She was gruff on the outside, but if you > ever needed something, like a spanking or a scolding, she'd give it to > you. > > Instead of putting a quarter under a kid's pillow, how about a pine > cone? That way, he learns that "wishing" isn't going to save our > national forests. > > If you ever feel like you're on the verge of a nervous breakdown, just > follow these simple rules: First, calm down; second, come over and > wash my car; third, shine all my shoes. There, isn't that better? > > Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is > why several of us died of tuberculosis. > > The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the > face. > > I bet one legend that keeps recurring throughout history, in every > culture, is the story of Popeye. > > Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be over here, > looking through your stuff. > > My new millionaire idea is one regular shoe and one "swollen" shoe, > for when you get bit by a rattlesnake. > > I bet the sparrow looks at the parrot and thinks, yes, you can talk, > but LISTEN TO YOURSELF! > > I think there probably should be a rule that if you're talking about > how many loaves of bread a bullet will go through, it's understood > that you mean lengthwise loaves. Otherwise, it makes no sense. > > Instead of trying to build newer and bigger weapons of destruction, > mankind should be thinking about getting more use out of the weapons > we already have. > > I don't think I'm ever more "aware" than I am right after I hit my > thumb with a hammer. > > Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word > itself. Mankind. Basically, it's made up of two separate > words---"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, > and that's why so is mankind. > > If you were a pirate, you know what would be the one thing that would > really make you mad? Treasure chests with no handles. How the hell are > you supposed to carry it?! > > As the evening sun faded from a salmon color to a sort of flint gray, > I thought back to the salmon I caught that morning, and how gray he > was, and how I named him Flint. > > Broken promises don't upset me. I just think, why did they believe me? > > As the light changed from red to green to yellow and back to red > again, I sat there thinking about life. Was it nothing more than a > bunch of honking and yelling? Sometimes it seemed that way. > > I'd rather be rich than stupid. > > I wish I would have a real tragic love affair and get so bummed out > that I'd just quit my job and become a bum for a few years, because I > was thinking about doing that anyway. > > To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no > choreography, and the dancers hit each other. > > If you're robbing a bank, and your pants suddenly fall down, I think > it's okay to laugh, and to let the hostages laugh too, because come > on, life is funny. > > I wish I had a dollar for every time I spent a dollar, because then, > yahoo!, I'd have all my money back. > > If you want to sue somebody, just get a little plastic skeleton and > lay it in their yard. Then tell them their ants ate your baby. > > I remember how the other kids used to say that old Mister Swenson was > the meanest man in town. But I said I thought he was nice, that he > just didn't know how to show it. The meanest man in town, I said, was > the mean old guy who lived in the big white house. "THAT'S MISTER > SWENSON," they said. Oh, my mistake. > > We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at > them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me. > > The other day I got out my can opener and was opening a can of worms > when I thought, "What am I doing?!" > > I think in one of my previous lives I was a mighty king, because I > like people to do what I say. > > The tiger can't change his spots. No, wait, he did! Good for him! > > I'd like to see a nude opera, because when they hit those high notes I > bet you can really see it in those genitals. > > One thing vampire children have to be taught early on is, don't run > with a wooden stake. > > It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that > man. > > If you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let 'em go, > because, man, they're gone. > > I can't stand cheap people. It makes me real mad when someone says > something like "Hey, when are you going to pay me that hundred dollars > you owe me?" > > A quiz: If I am my brother's keeper, who am I? (Answer: me.) > > One thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in > a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse. > > When I heard that trees grow a new "ring" for each year they live, I > thought, we humans are kind of like that: we grow a new layer of skin > each year, and after many years we are thick and unwieldy from all of > our skin layers. > > If you ever have to steal money from your kid, and later on he > discovers it's gone, I think a good thing to do is to blame it on > Santa Claus. > > I have to laugh when I think of the first cigar, because it was > probably just a bunch of rolled-up tobacco leaves. > > If you're ever shipwrecked on a tropical island and you don't know how > to speak the natives' language, just say "Poppy-oomy." I bet it means > something. > > Sometimes life seems like a dream, especially when I look down and see > that I forgot to put on my pants. > > I had some eyeglasses. I was walking down the street when suddenly the > prescription ran out. > > I got food poisoning today. I don't know when I'll use it. > > When I turned two I was really anxious, because I'd doubled my age in > a year. I thought, if this keeps up, by the time I'm six I'll be > ninety. > > Sponges grow in the ocean. That just kills me. I wonder how much > deeper the ocean would be if that didn't happen. > > I planted some bird seed. A bird came up. Now I don't know what to > feed it. > > I was sad because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet. > So I said, "Got any shoes you're not using?" > > When I get real bored, I like to drive downtown and get a great > parking spot, then sit in my car and count how many people ask me if > I'm leaving. > > If I ever had an OUT-OF-BODY experience... I'd try to come back to a > different body. > > I'm sure there will be a tomorrow because in Australia, it's already > here. > > One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief > that one's work is terribly important. > > A man can't be too careful in the choice of his enemies. > > Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names. > > The nice thing about egotists is that they don't talk about other > people. > > The graveyards are full of indispensable men. > > You can pretend to be serious; you can't pretend to be witty. > > If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one? > > You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind > word alone. > >  1,, Summary-line: 6-Mar oakapple2@yahoo.com #Music Appreciation Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24872; Sat, 6 Mar 99 01:05:52 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07951; Sat, 6 Mar 99 01:06:27 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id BAA25690; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:05:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:05:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <19990306060153.18697.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Music Appreciation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:05:48 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Music Appreciation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Someone on the opera list posted an answer a student had written in a college music appreciation exam: Rogers and Hammerstern wrote 'HMS Pianoforte'. The professor described it as: " ... the perfect wrong answer: five words, five errors." He did not consider "HMS" to be a word, and the errors were: wrong librettist, wrong composer, and three misspellings. Almost as good was a description of the quartet from the last act of RIGOLETTO as "the minuet and trio from Beethoven's MARRIAGE OF FIGARO." == Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com  1,, Summary-line: 8-Mar davidcookson@csi.com #Make-your-own CD Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05175; Mon, 8 Mar 99 18:46:30 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA09797; Mon, 8 Mar 99 18:47:06 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA01870; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:46:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:46:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990308232142.00831510@pop.site1.csi.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: davidcookson@csi.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: David Cookson To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Make-your-own CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:46:05 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: davidcookson@csi.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: David Cookson To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Make-your-own CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) There's been a bit of discussion about "make-your-own" CDs, and I think there'd be copyright problems if any of us were to undertake this (other than using out-of-copyright recordings). However, FWIW, CD Universe offer a "Create a CustomCD" service. You can pick the tracks you want, and they'll do a CD for you. The basic cost is USD 5.99 for the CD, plus USD 0.99 per track, up to a maximum of 70 minutes. It's not always USD 0.99 - some tracks might be a different price, but most seem to be USD 0.99. So a fifteen-track CD would cost USD 20.84. At the moment they're giving USD 5.00 off, knocking the price down to USD 15.84. Shipping is extra. I've just had a "trial" run - it took me about 10 minutes to locate a Yeomen overture. I started trying to find "When our gallant Norman foes", and gave up when it presented me with more pages to search through than you could shake a stick at. So creating your own CD isn't as easy as it sounds. Their search facility in this particular department is very basic, and I couldn't find an easier/quicker way to do it. If anyone fancies having a go at this, their URL is http://cdu2.cduniverse.com Just follow the "Create a CustomCD" link. If anyone finds an un-tedious way of doing this, do let me know ! All the best David Cookson  1,, Summary-line: 10-Mar ommerfeld@orchard.arlingt #Re: DHCP Server Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA01581; Wed, 10 Mar 99 12:07:58 EST Received: from orchard.epilogue.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07787; Wed, 10 Mar 99 12:08:17 EST Received: from orchard.arlington.ma.us (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by orchard.arlington.ma.us (8.8.8/1.34) with ESMTP id RAA09901; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:07:37 GMT Message-Id: <199903101707.RAA09901@orchard.arlington.ma.us> To: Greg Hudson Cc: Matt Braun , "Charles M. Hannum" , sipb-staff@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: DHCP Server In-Reply-To: Message from Greg Hudson of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:36:03 EST." <199903101636.LAA00829@nephthys.grey17.org> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:07:37 -0500 From: Bill Sommerfeld *** EOOH *** To: Greg Hudson Cc: Matt Braun , "Charles M. Hannum" , sipb-staff@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: DHCP Server In-Reply-To: Message from Greg Hudson of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:36:03 EST." <199903101636.LAA00829@nephthys.grey17.org> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:07:37 -0500 From: Bill Sommerfeld [I'm responding purely to the technical issue of why the particular configuration resulted in a war-of-pings, wearing my DHCP implementor's hat. ] The normal case dhcp protocol looks something like this: 1) client broadcasts DHCPDISCOVER 2) server(s) respond with DHCPOFFER 3) client picks one, and broadcasts DHCPREQUEST 4) the server in question responds wit DHCPACK or DHCPNAK Now, what happened is that the DHCP server on ZSR responded in step 1, but was unable to respond in step 3. I'm assuming, in the absence of a packet trace, that what happened was chomp -> * DISCOVER zsr-> chomp OFFER chomp -> * REQUEST other-> chomp NAK the NAK then puts the client back into INIT state, and it sends another DISCOVER. If this assumption is wrong, the rest of this message is meaningless. There are a couple of protocol implementation bugs here. 1) The DHCP rfc's, at least the way I read them, require a random delay of somewhere around 1-4 seconds before sending a DISCOVER. However, many (most?) clients cheat and don't bother with the delay. When I rewrote Epilogue's client, I noticed the possibility of this sort of spamming of the network by the client if the delay wasn't present, added the (required by spec) delay, and found it actually simplifies the state machine somewhat. I haven't encountered another client which did do the delay, but then I haven't really looked hard for one. Had the shark's boot-rom-based client been compliant with the spec, the flood would have been rate limited to under 1pps and nobody would have noticed. Again, if I was right about this, I'm going to bring this up with the DHCP working group list. The chance that someone will generate a firmware fix for the shark is approximately zero, but we can at least prevent a failure like this from happening in newer devices. 2) The DHCP protocol contains a "Server Identifier" option which is *supposed* to prevent a -> b -> a -> c -> a ping-pongs like this. a) The DHCPOFFER returned from zsr should have contained a Server Identifier option. (actually, the RFC's says MUST here..) b) the DHCPREQUEST sent by chomp should have contained a copy of that Server Identifier. c) the MITnet offical DHCP server should have dropped the REQUEST on the floor instead of NAKing it if the server identifier didn't match. I'm not sure which of (a), (b), or (c) were the case fault here, and would need to look at a packet dump to be sure.. - Bill  1,, Summary-line: 11-Mar elkor@mindspring.com #Love and Marriage Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21789; Thu, 11 Mar 99 23:45:47 EST Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05673; Thu, 11 Mar 99 23:45:21 EST Received: from pcian (user-2iveue5.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.121.197]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24795; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:45:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990311232715.007bd780@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:27:15 -0500 To: Kendra Rosenberg , "'Cynthia J. Mallion'" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, elf@andor.org, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, Kendra Rosenberg , DroutmanE@tce.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Love and Marriage In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: elkor@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:27:15 -0500 To: Kendra Rosenberg , "'Cynthia J. Mallion'" , kwagner@aec.umd.edu, elf@andor.org, ArcaneKnow@aol.com, jkaplan@clintoncomputer.com, mgsgjjg@erols.com, judith.bucolo@ferc.fed.us, rebeccaneumiller@juno.com, dbrandford@kenan.com, dpolicar@kenan.com, donnah@microhouse.com, opus@MIT.EDU, deb@pobox.com, natter@pressroom.com, Kendra Rosenberg , DroutmanE@tce.com, lmurray@wilmer.com, buubala@yahoo.com, hstaecker@yahoo.com, magorn@yahoo.com, noblessa@yahoo.com From: The Shadows of the Night Subject: Love and Marriage In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:46 AM 3/11/99 -0500, Kendra Rosenberg wrote: >How come no one we know has spiffy holiday's like this? Because we are all intelligent proffesionals with some sense of morals, skewed though they may be. Like these fine children..... One Sunday in a Midwest city a young child was "acting up" during the morning worship hour. The parents did their best to maintain some sense of order in the pew but were losing the battle. Finally the father picked the little fellow up and walked sternly up the aisle on his way out. Just before reaching the safety of the foyer the little one called loudly to the congregation, "Pray for me! Pray for me!" ======================================== A daddy was listening to his child say his prayer "Dear Harold". At this, dad interrupted and said, "Wait a minute, "How come you called God, " Harold"? The little boy looked up and said, "That's what they call Him in church. You know the prayer we say,"Our Father, who art in Heaven, Harold be Thy name." ======================================== And this particular four-year-old prayed: "And forgive us our trash baskets as we forgive those who put trash in our baskets." ======================================== One night Mike's parents overheard this prayer. "Now I lay me down to rest, and hope to pass tomorrow's test, if I should die before I wake, that's one less test I have to take." ======================================== A little boy's prayer. "Dear God, please take care of my daddy and my mommy and my sister and my brother and my doggy and me. Oh, please take care of yourself, God. If anything happens to you, we're gonna be in a big mess." ======================================== A preacher said to a precocious six-year-old boy: "So your mother says your prayers for you each night? Very commendable. What does she say?" The little boy replied, "Thank God he's in bed!" ======================================== A woman invited some people to dinner. At the table, she turned to her six-year-old daughter and said, "Would you like to say the blessing?" I wouldn't know what to say," the little girl replied. "Just say what you hear Mommy say," the mother said. The little girl bowed her head and said, "Dear Lord, why on earth did I invite all these people to dinner? ======================================== Johnny had been misbehaving and was sent to his room. After a while he emerged and informed his mother that he had thought it over and then said a prayer. "Fine," said the pleased mother. "If you ask God to help you not misbehave, He will help you." "Oh, I didn't ask Him to help me not misbehave," said Johnny. "I asked Him to help you put up with me." ======================================= A little boy was overheard praying: "Lord, if You can't make me a better boy, don't worry about it. I'm having a real good time like I am!" "The greatest pleasure I know is to do a good action by stealth, and to have it found out by accident." -Charles Lamb  1, forwarded,, Summary-line: 14-Mar mweems@erols.com #Birth: Prescott MacKenzie Weems Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09983; Sun, 14 Mar 99 16:24:22 EST Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16580; Sun, 14 Mar 99 16:23:53 EST Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA04714 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mweems (207-172-150-50.s50.as8.anp.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.150.50]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08915 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:28:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990314162142.0083de20@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: mweems@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:21:42 -0500 To: lsc-alums@martigny.ai.mit.edu From: Ken and Molly Weems Subject: Birth: Prescott MacKenzie Weems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: mweems@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:21:42 -0500 To: lsc-alums@martigny.ai.mit.edu From: Ken and Molly Weems Subject: Birth: Prescott MacKenzie Weems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With pleasure, awe, and some surprise... Molly, Ken, and Hannah Weems announce the birth of Prescott MacKenzie Weems! Prex was born on March 11, 1999, weighing in at 8 lbs 9 oz and measuring 19 inches. He and mum are doing very well; Hannah loves her little brother and is proud to help in any way she can. -- Ken (KMW) Molly (MHCW) Hannah (Sep-5-96) Prex (due Mar-24-99, born Mar-11-99) Crofton, Maryland  1,, Summary-line: 15-Mar cmajor@merchantsmgmt.com #FW: Upgrade? Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02088; Mon, 15 Mar 99 16:13:54 EST Received: from administrator.merchantsmgmt.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20732; Mon, 15 Mar 99 16:13:48 EST Received: by NT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <106SQJLT>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:19:49 -0500 Message-Id: <919508F09879D211BC6800C0F0164FE402CF01@NT> From: Cindy Major To: David , Robert , Julie , Erika , Tina , Withees Subject: FW: Upgrade? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:19:47 -0500 Return-Receipt-To: Cindy Major Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: Cindy Major To: David , Robert , Julie , Erika , Tina , Withees Subject: FW: Upgrade? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:19:47 -0500 Return-Receipt-To: Cindy Major Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Upgrade? Dear Tech Support: Last year I upgraded Girlfriend 1.0 to Wife 1.0 and noticed that the new program began unexpected child processing that took up a lot of space and valuable resources. No mention of this phenomenon was included in the product brochure. In addition, Wife 1.0 installs itself into all other programs and launches during system initialization where it monitors all other system activities. Applications such as Poker-night 10.3 and Beer-bash 2.5 no longer run, crashing the system whenever selected. I cannot seem to purge Wife 1.0 from my system. I am thinking about going back to Girlfriend 1.0 but uninstall does not work on this program. Can you help me? Dear Sir, This is a very common problem men complain about but is mostly due to a primary misconception. Many people upgrade from Girlfriend 1.0 to Wife 1.0 with the idea that Wife 1.0 is merely a "UTILITY & ENTERTAINMENT" program. Wife 1.0 is an OPERATING SYSTEM and designed by its creator to run everything. It is impossible to uninstall, delete, or purge the program from the system once installed. You cannot go back to Girlfriend 1.0 because Wife 1.0 is not designed to do this. Some have tried to install Girlfriend 2.0 or Wife 2.0 but end up with more problems than the original system. Look in your manual under Warnings - Alimony/Child Support. I recommend you keep Wife 1.0 and just deal with the situation. Having Wife 1.0 installed myself, I might also suggest you read the entire section regarding General Protection Faults (GPFs). You must assume all responsibility for faults and problems that might occur. The best course of action will be to push apologize button and then reset button as soon as lock-up occurs. System will run smooth as long as you take the blame for all GPFs. Wife 1.0 is a great program but needs very careful maintenance. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  1,, Summary-line: 15-Mar jweis@andromeda.rutgers.e #Uneven classical musical humor (fwd)- off topic Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06781; Mon, 15 Mar 99 16:24:37 EST Received: from [147.138.10.40] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24369; Mon, 15 Mar 99 16:24:27 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA23233; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:20:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:20:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: jweis@andromeda.rutgers.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Judith Weis To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Uneven classical musical humor (fwd)- off topic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:20:15 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: jweis@andromeda.rutgers.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Judith Weis To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Uneven classical musical humor (fwd)- off topic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum some of these are pretty good; others... 1880's: "There's lots of good fish in the sea" W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. \ \ \ \ \ - - _ - \ \ \ \ ----\ - _ - \ - - ( O \ _ - -_ __ / - - / -/// _ ______ ___/ /// / Judith S. Weis Department of Biological Sciences Rutgers Univ. Newark NJ 07102 jweis@andromeda.rutgers.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:52:26 EST From: Lizfilm@aol.com To: courant.c@nypa.gov, ViolaNancy@aol.com, Charlotte.Ford@usa.net, Rabbina@aol.com, gorbman@u.washington.edu, jweis@andromeda.rutgers.edu, eileen@echonyc.com, JQM7288@is.nyu.edu, Kelly-Ray.Meritt@med.va.gov, cecele@worldnet.att.net, agnesnsimon@webtv.net, MNach@aol.com, novikoff@cims.nyu.edu, karen_romer@brown.edu, weis@umdnj.edu Subject: Uneven classical musical humor > Beethoven: "Erotica" Symphony > Telephon 1-900-453-5646 > Amsterdam Concertgeboom Orchestra > Bernard Hijinks, conductor > > Beethoven: Infidelio > Endive 647876 > Chorus and Orchestra of the Vienna State Opera for the Criminally Insane > Kari Rictus, conductor > > Berlioz: Harlots in Italy > Seraglio 1648 > William Pimpnose, viola > Montmarte Philandermonique de Chambre > Nikolous Hardoncourt, conductor > > Bloch: Schlemiel > Epic 1-989 > Mischa Mainsqueeze, cello > Cantspell Czech Philharmonic Orchestra > Vladimir Ashcanausea, conductor > > Debussy: La Merde > Nosuch II 455 > Academy of Prince Albert in the Can > Sir Colin Divot, conductor > > Gershwin: Rhapsody in Puce > Odium 288 > MTV Symphony Orchestra > Leonard Sideburns, conductor > > Liszt: Les Quaaludes > Angle DS 847569 > L'Orchestre de la Swiss Cheese > Karl Boom, conductor > > Mendelssohn: Accidental Music to " A Midsummer Night's Dream" > Capitalist 3777 > Bathroom Festival Orchestra > Daniel Barenbomb, conductor > > Mendelstotter: Peace March of the Priests > Deutsche Gestalt Gemxtlichkest 3330-676f > Stxttgart Chamber of Commerce Orchestra > Raymond Leper, conductor > > Mozart: The Magic Schoolbus > Argyle ML 34277 > Chorus and Orchestra of the Royal Opera House Covert Garden > Sir Adrian Dolt, conductor > > Mozart: Symphonie Disconcertante > Enigma 67580 > Anne-Soapy Mutter, violin; Pamela McCuddles-Edelweiss,viola > The Fitzwilliam Hippocampus Consortium of Miami University > Akira Nintendo, conductor > > Offenbach: Orpheus in his Underwear > Erratum STU 77080 > I Solisti de Zig Zagreb > Loren Mazeltov, conductor > > Orff, Carmina Piranha > Douche Gramphon 7201-75 > Academy of St. Christopher on the Dashboard > Sir Neville Marinara, conductor > > Purcell: Trumpet Involuntary > Serigraph S 64749 > Winton Veal Marsala, trumpet > Disneyland Wind Ensemble > Wilhelm Fahrtwangler, conductor > > Respighi: Ancient Errors and Dunces for the Lout > Telefunk CX3 42256 > Dumbarton Oaks Chamber Pot Orchestra > Rafael Freshbatch de Burgers, conductor > > Respighi: The Mountains of Chrome > Turnover TVA 64784 > Eastman Kodak Symphony Orchestra > Howard Handsome, conductor > > Respighijklmnoops: The Pines of Sol > Archaic DT 9477356 > Halley's Comet Orchestra > Sir John Barbarian, conductor > > Rimsky-Of-Korsakov: Le Coq au Vin > Turnoff TWA 503472 > Vienna Volkswagon Orchestra > Richard Boingg, conductor > > Sherbet: Unfurnished Symphony > Deutsche Gewurztraminer Gazelleschaft 8988 > New York Philanthropic Orchestra > Earnest Answer-man, conductor > > Shostakovich: Concerto #1 for Piano and Strumpet > Decadence 95648 > Zoltan Coccyx, piano; William Hips, strumpeter > Bidetfest Symphony Orchestra > Wetold Loutaslapstick, conductor > > Smetana: The Battered Broad > Argot ZPG 746 > Barbarian Radio Orchestra > Hanns Upp, conductor > > Stravinsky: The Firebug > Arson Nova 911 > Manuel de Falla Society Orchestra > Krrysstof Paindernecki, conductor > > Tacobell: Cannon in D > Megaphon 3455 34 > English Bedchamber Orchestra > Claudio Abbadabbadoo, conductor > > Tchaikovsky: Tobacco Variations > Panatela 4655 > Bert Phillips-Morris, cello > The Philadelphia Tabernacle Strings > Eugene Mormondy, conductor > > Tchaikovsky: Marche Slob > His Master's Vice ARSE 8574 > London Pandemonic Orchestra > Michael Teeter-Totter, conductor  1,, Summary-line: 15-Mar cmajor@merchantsmgmt.com #FW: Joke...delete if you are sick of jokes, but I liked ... Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06023; Mon, 15 Mar 99 17:36:36 EST Received: from administrator.merchantsmgmt.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18764; Mon, 15 Mar 99 17:36:29 EST Received: by NT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <106SQJMP>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:42:36 -0500 Message-Id: <919508F09879D211BC6800C0F0164FE402CF09@NT> From: Cindy Major To: Jeff Boles , Kathy Friton , David , Robert , Julie , Erika , Withees , Dad , Andy Subject: FW: Joke...delete if you are sick of jokes, but I liked ... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:42:34 -0500 Return-Receipt-To: Cindy Major Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: Cindy Major To: Jeff Boles , Kathy Friton , David , Robert , Julie , Erika , Withees , Dad , Andy Subject: FW: Joke...delete if you are sick of jokes, but I liked ... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:42:34 -0500 Return-Receipt-To: Cindy Major Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sleeping Beauty, Tom Thumb and Quasimodo were all talking one day. >>> >>> Sleeping Beauty said, "I believe myself to be the most beautiful >>> girl in the world." >>> >>> Tom Thumb said, "I must be the smallest person in the world." >>> >>> Quasimodo said, "I absolutely have to be the ugliest person in the >>> World." >>> >>> They decided to go to the Guinness Book of World Records to have >>> their claims verified. >>> >>> Sleeping Beauty went first and came out looking deliriously happy. "It's official, I AM the most beautiful girl in the world." >>> >>> Tom Thumb went next and emerged triumphant, "I am officially the >>> smallest person in the world." >>> >>> Sometime later, Quasimodo came out looking crestfallen and simply >>> said, "Who's Linda Tripp?" >>> >> > > >  1,, Summary-line: 15-Mar mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: HA HA HA!!!! Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA17024; Mon, 15 Mar 99 18:10:03 EST Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27984; Mon, 15 Mar 99 18:09:58 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10MgUS-000028-00; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:09:45 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:09:42 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin , Annette Pacey , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly DiTullio , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: HA HA HA!!!! Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:09:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin , Annette Pacey , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly DiTullio , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: HA HA HA!!!! Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:09:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sorry if it's a double, Tan-tan! @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products > > > >Subject: truth is stranger than fiction - 101 > > > >TRUE STORY: > > > >Carjacking Foiled: An elderly lady did her shopping and upon return > found > >4 males in her car. She dropped her shopping bags and drew her > handgun, > >proceeding to scream at them at the top of her voice that she knows > how to > >use it and that she will if required.... so get out of the car. > > > >The 4 men didn't wait around for a second invitation but got out and > ran > >like mad, where upon the lady proceeded to load her shopping bags > into the > >back of the car and got into the drivers seat. > > > >Small problem, her key wouldn't fit the ignition. Her car was > identical > >and parked four five spaces further down. She loaded her bags into > her car > >and drove to the police station. > > > >The sergeant that she told the story to nearly tore himself in two > with > >laughter and pointed to the other end of the counter where 4 pale > white > >males were reporting a car-jacking by a mad elderly white > women......no > >charges were filed. > > > >  1,, Summary-line: 16-Mar mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Two good 'uns Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA11196; Tue, 16 Mar 99 08:46:18 EST Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01673; Tue, 16 Mar 99 08:46:11 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10MuAE-00028z-00; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:45:47 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:45:39 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Harriman, Paul" , "Litwin, Jennifer" , 'Amy Allen' , 'Ann Kirschner' , 'Brian Sweeney' , 'Cathlin Davis' , 'clapp' , 'Dan J' , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , 'David Craven' , 'David J' , 'Eitan' , 'Elizabeth Evans & Peter Emery' , 'Everett Doner' , 'Gwyn Aubrey' , 'Irv Hodgkin' , 'J Derrick McClure' , 'Janice2' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'kravetz' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'Leta Hall' , 'Lisa Blocher' , 'Mitch Scott Gilett' , 'moshe' , 'NEFF' , 'Paul' , "'Phil @ Home'" , 'Peter Zavon' , 'Phil Sternenberg' , 'Ralph MacPhail' , 'Rebecca C' , 'sam silvers' , 'sinasohn' , 'snyder' , 'sooz' , 'stevemartin' , 'ScottB' Subject: FW: Two good 'uns Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:45:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Harriman, Paul" , "Litwin, Jennifer" , 'Amy Allen' , 'Ann Kirschner' , 'Brian Sweeney' , 'Cathlin Davis' , 'clapp' , 'Dan J' , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , 'David Craven' , 'David J' , 'Eitan' , 'Elizabeth Evans & Peter Emery' , 'Everett Doner' , 'Gwyn Aubrey' , 'Irv Hodgkin' , 'J Derrick McClure' , 'Janice2' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'kravetz' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'Leta Hall' , 'Lisa Blocher' , 'Mitch Scott Gilett' , 'moshe' , 'NEFF' , 'Paul' , "'Phil @ Home'" , 'Peter Zavon' , 'Phil Sternenberg' , 'Ralph MacPhail' , 'Rebecca C' , 'sam silvers' , 'sinasohn' , 'snyder' , 'sooz' , 'stevemartin' , 'ScottB' Subject: FW: Two good 'uns Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:45:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products > Try reading this out loud... > > You can Telemann by where he likes to live. I just Toch a trip Orff > into > one > of the Wilder areas Faure Wieck, and to > be Verdi Franck, it nearly drove Menotti. > > I know opinion Varese, but even Vivaldi urban noises, the Bizet > traffic, > De > Falla engines, as well as knowing there are > Mennin the streets Callas enough to knock your Bloch off. I couldn't > resist > the urge to Galuppi home early Satie, and > I Haieff to say I Still prefer the Mitropoulos. The Boyce were Sor > that I > had > Gibbons up and succumbed to the > Riegger of the Field so easily, but I don't give a Schuetz. > > I was practically Krein from my Severacs and Pains brought on by that > brief > time in the countryside! Even the sounds > got my Dandrieu up; let me Liszt some of them: the Rorem of the wind, > a > constant Birtwhistle, the Menuhin of the > Katz, the Lipatti-Patti-Glinka-Poulenc of the Reiner on the roof, the > Gluck- > Gluck of the hens, and every morning a > woodpecker or some Byrd Chopin holes in a Tree. My only company was a > Thorne > Busch, a Partch of poison Ives, a > Braun Babbit, and sometimes a Wolf, nothing Moore. For a Forrest > Grainger > it > may be Fine - it may be the Katz > Milhaud -- but I could have died of Borodin. A friend suggested my > making > this > Tureck; "Abegg" his pardon, but I > will never go Bach to those Gotterdaemmerung Hillis. They Suk! > > No, I don't care for the Ruggles life. I like a good Mehul - a little > Suppe, > some Szigeti, maybe some Salome at my > local Taverner with a little lime Schubert after (even if they don't > always > clear the Crumbs off the table). And I like to > Locatelli while I'm Eaton Maderna at night. Is that asking for Egk in > Meyerbeer? > > Nono! So many people Berio themselves under a Holst of problems they > know > they > can't Handel. Their answer is too > Offenbach to nature - into Haydn, it seems to me. I Karajan a d'Indy > life > in > the Berg for the most Paert. Maybe it isn't > Perle Bliss for everybody, but it's Godunov for me. > > :) > > found on > http://www.prs.net/fun.html > > > ******* > > WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! > > IF YOU RECEIVE A GIFT IN THE SHAPE OF A LARGE WOODEN > HORSE DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT!!!! It is EXTREMELY > DESTRUCTIVE and will overwrite your ENTIRE CITY! > > The "gift" is disguised as a large wooden horse about two stories > tall. It tends to show up outside the city gates and appears to be > abandoned. DO NOT let it through the gates! It contains hardware > that is incompatible with Trojan programming, including a crowd of > heavily armed Greek warriors that will destroy your army, sack your > town, and kill your women and children. If you have already received > such a gift, DO NOT OPEN IT! Take it back out of the city unopened > and set fire to it by the beach. > > FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW! > > Poseidon > > * * * > > FROM: hector@studmuffin.com > TO: laocoon@doomgloom.edu > RE: Greeks bearing gifts > > Laocoon, > > I hate to break to you, but this is one of the oldest hoaxes there is. > I've seen variants on this warning come through on other listservs, > one involving some kind of fruit that was supposed to kill the people > who ate it and one having to do with something called the "Midas > Touch." Here are a few tipoffs that this is a hoax: > > 1) This "Forward this message to everyone you know" crap. If it were > really meant as a warning about the Greek army, why tell anyone to > post it to the Phonecians, Sumerians, and Cretans? > > 2) Use of exclamation points. Always a giveaway. > > 3) It's signed "from Poseidon." Granted he's had his problems with > Odysseus but he's one of their guys, isn't he? Besides, the lack of a > real header with a detailed address makes me suspicious. > > 4) Technically speaking, there is no way for a horse to overwrite > your entire city. A horse is just an animal, after all. > > Next time you get a message like this, just delete it. I appreciate > your concern, but once you've been around the block a couple times > you'll realize how annoying this kind of stuff is. > > Bye now, > > Hector  1,, Summary-line: 18-Mar mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Spelling Does Count Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24075; Thu, 18 Mar 99 17:16:02 EST Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10709; Thu, 18 Mar 99 17:16:43 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10Nl4i-0000Fp-00; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:15:36 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:15:28 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Jaques, Sabrina" , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin , Annette Pacey , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly DiTullio , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: Spelling Does Count Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:15:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Jaques, Sabrina" , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin , Annette Pacey , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly DiTullio , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: Spelling Does Count Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:15:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ > > In an ancient monastery in a faraway place, a new monk arrived > to > > join his > > brothers in copying books and scrolls in the monastery's > scriptorium. He > > was assigned as a scribe on copies of books that had already been > copied > > by hand. > > > > One day, he asked Father Florian (the armarius of the > scriptorium), > > "Does > > not the copying by hand of other copies allow for chances of error? > How > do > > we know we are not copying the mistakes of someone else? Are they > ever > > checked against the original?" > > > > Fr. Florian is set back a bit by the obvious logical observation > of > > this > > youthful monk. "A very good point, my son. I will take one of the > latest > > books down to the vault and compare it against the original." > > > > Fr. Florian went down to the secured vault and began his > verification. > > After a day had passed, the monks began to worry and went down > looking > for > > the old priest. They were sure something must have happened. As they > > approached the vault, they heard sobbing and crying. When they > opened the > > door, they found Fr. Florian sobbing over the new copy and table. It > was > > obvious to all that the poor man had been crying his old heart out > for a > > long time. > > > > "What is the problem, Reverend Father?" asked one of the monks. > > > > "Oh, my Lord," sobbed the priest, "the word is 'celebrate'!" >  1,, Summary-line: 23-Mar mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Dr Seuss Shakespeare (1 of 2) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA14286; Tue, 23 Mar 99 08:29:30 EST Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13922; Tue, 23 Mar 99 08:30:15 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10PREx-0006zX-00; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:29:08 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:29:01 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Annette Pacey , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly DiTullio , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Dr Seuss Shakespeare (1 of 2) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:28:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE7531.1CA7A54E" *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Annette Pacey , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly DiTullio , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , ScottB , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Dr Seuss Shakespeare (1 of 2) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:28:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE7531.1CA7A54E" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE7531.1CA7A54E Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products <> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE7531.1CA7A54E Content-Type: text/plain; name="SEUSSS~1.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="SEUSSS~1.TXT" Dr. Seuss Does Shakespeare What If Dr. Seuss Did Shakespeare?=20 (Author Unknown) List of Characters=20 FOX, Prince of Denmark=20 KNOX, FOX's friend and fellow student=20 GHOST of FOX's father, former King of Denmark CHICKS, officers of the = watch=20 SUE, Queen of Denmark=20 SLOW JOE CROW, King of Denmark=20 GOO-GOOSE, counsellor to the king=20 BIM, former schoolfellow of FOX=20 BEN, brother to BIM and also former schoolfellow of FOX PIGS, = attendants=20 LUKE LUCK, Prince of Norway=20 DUCK, ambassador to Norway=20 TWEETLE BEETLES, in the Norwegian army=20 POODLE, courtier=20 ACT 1, Scene 1=20 [Enter FOX and KNOX]=20 FOX: Lo, some socks!=20 KNOX: Behold, a box!=20 'Tis now struck twelve, get thee to socks, Fox. =20 FOX: For this relief much thanks, 'tis bitter cold=20 And I am Fox in socks. KNOX: Well, good night. I am Knox in box. 5 FOX: Friends to the ground, and liegemen to the Dane. =20 Knox on Fox in socks in box. =20 [Enter GHOST]=20 KNOX: Peace, break thee off. Look where it comes again. =20 FOX: In the same figure, socks on Knox and Knox in box. =20 KNOX: It would be spoke to. Question it, Fox. 10=20 FOX: What art thou that usurp'st this time of night,=20 Together with Fox in socks on box on Knox?=20 KNOX: It is offended. See, it stalks away. =20 [Exit GHOST]=20 FOX: We do it wrong being so majestical. =20 [Exeunt]=20 ACT 1, Scene 2=20 [Flourish. Enter FOX and KNOX]=20 FOX: What, ho! Chicks with bricks come. =20 [Enter CHICKS with bricks]=20 KNOX: Peace, break thee off. Look where chicks with blocks come. =20 [Enter CHICKS with blocks]=20 FOX: But soft, behold, lo where chicks come again!=20 Chicks with bricks and blocks and clocks come. =20 =20 [Enter CHICKS with bricks and blocks and clocks]=20 =20 FOX: Mark me, mark me, my lord Knox, sir. 5 =20 Let us hold watch with bricks and blocks, sir. Let us have after with=20 chicks and clocks, sir. A mote is to trouble the mind's eye,=20 In the most high quick trick brick stack, A little ere the mightiest = Julius=20 fell 10=20 As stars with trains of fire from a quick trick block stack. What if it = tempt you toward the flood my lord, Or to the dreadful summit of a = quick=20 trick chick stack, That beetles o'er his base into the sea, And there=20 assume some quick trick clock stack? 15=20 My fate cries out, my lord Knox,=20 Socks on chicks and chicks on Fox. =20 [Enter GHOST]=20 FOX: Angels and ministers of grace defend us!=20 Be thou a spirit of Fox on clocks on bricks and blocks, Or goblin = damned=20 with bricks and blocks on Knox on box, 20=20 Bring with thee ticks from heaven or tocks from hell, Let my lord Knox = not=20 burst in ignorance but tell: Clocks on Fox tick, clocks on Knox tock. =20 KNOX: Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. =20 [Exit GHOST]=20 FOX: O that these too too solid six sick bricks would tick, 25=20 Thaw and resolve these six sick chicks which tock. =20 KNOX: Prithee, sir. I don't like this trick, sir. =20 How weary, stale, flat and unprofitable=20 Seems to me the quickness and slickness of my tongue! Fie on't, ah fie, = I=20 get all those ticks and tocks, sir, 30=20 Mixed up with the chicks and tocks, sir. It is not, nor it cannot come = to=20 good, Fox, sir. =20 FOX: A truant disposition, good my lord. =20 [Exeunt]=20 ACT 2, Scene 1=20 [Enter FOX and KNOX]=20 FOX: How now, such wanton, wild, and usual slips=20 As are companions noted and most known=20 To youth and liberty. =20 KNOX: As gaming, my lord?=20 FOX: Ay, 'tis an easy game to play,=20 An easy thing to say - you may go so far. 5=20 Soft now - new socks, two socks, whose socks?=20 [Enter SUE]=20 The fair Sue - Nymph, in thy orisons=20 Be all my socks remembered. =20 =20 SUE: Good my lord,=20 How does your sewing for this many a socks?=20 FOX: I humbly thank you. =20 [to KNOX] Sue sews Sue's socks. 10=20 SUE: My lord, I have remembrances of yours. =20 Who sees who sew whose new socks, my lord?=20 FOX: [to KNOX]=20 You see Sue sew Sue's new socks, my lord. =20 KNOX: Marry sir, here's my drift,=20 'Tis not easy, my lord Fox. 15=20 [Exeunt]=20 ACT 2, Scene 2=20 [Enter FOX, KNOX, and SUE]=20 KNOX: Hark now! Who comes here?=20 [Enter SLOW JOE CROW]=20 FOX: Crow comes. Welcome dear Slow Joe Crow!=20 Moreover that we much did long to see you, The need we have to use you = did=20 provoke=20 Our hasty sending. Who sew's crow's clothes? 5=20 CROW: Your majesty might by sovereign power=20 Put your dread pleasures more into command Than to entreaty: Sue sews=20 crow's clothes. =20 FOX: Thanks Slow Joe Crow, and I beseech you=20 Instantly to sew whose clothes?=20 CROW: Sue's clothes. 10=20 FOX: Thou still hast been the father of good news. =20 CROW: Have I my lord? Assure you, my good liege,=20 Sue sews socks of Fox in socks now. =20 FOX: Oh speak of that, that do I long to hear;=20 Slow Joe Crow sews Knox in box now. 15=20 Give first admittance to th'ambassadors: Sue sews rose on Slow Joe = Crow's=20 clothes. =20 SUE: My news shall be the fruit to that great feast:=20 Fox sews hose on Slow Joe Crow's nose. =20 FOX: I would fain prove that this hose goes, 20=20 When I had seen that this rose grows -=20 As I perceived it, I must tell you that=20 Nose hose goes some - what might you think Had I looked upon crow's = rose=20 growing some?=20 KNOX: Ay so, God bye to you, my lord Fox. 25=20 O what a rogue and peasant slave am I!=20 Is it not monstrous that this player here Hates this game, in a dream = of=20 passion,=20 Could force not his tongue to his own conceit That from her working all = his=20 visage wanned, 30=20 Tears in his eyes, distraction in's aspect, A lame tongue, and his = whole =20 function suiting With forms to his conceit? And all for nothing?=20 =20 FOX: My lord Knox, the play's the thing=20 Wherein your tongue shall consent to sing. 35=20 [Exeunt]=20 ACT 3, Scene 1=20 [Enter FOX, KNOX, and GOO-GOOSE]=20 FOX: And can you by no drift of circumstance=20 Find something new to do now?=20 With all my heart, and it doth much content me, Here is lots of new = blue=20 goo now. =20 'Tis now the very goo of night, 5=20 When churchyards yawn, and hell itself breathes out Blue goo to this = world. =20 Now could I drink hot goo, And do such gooey, gooey business as the day = Would quake to look on. Soft, now to my blue goo. O heart, lose not thy = new=20 goo; let not ever 10=20 The soul of Nero enter this gluey, gluey bosom. Give me that gooey goo=20 which is chewy chewing's slave, And I will chew him in my heart's core, = Ay in my heart of heart, as that Goo-Goose is doing. I prithee when = thou=20 chewst that goo, my lord, 15=20 That thou choosest to chew thy goo with the Very chewing of the = Goo-Goose,=20 do, my lord. =20 KNOX: My lord Fox, oh this goo is rank,=20 It smells to heaven; it hath the primal=20 Eldest curse upon't. Say it can I not, 20=20 Though inclination be sharp as will,=20 I stand in pause where I shall first chew. =20 FOX: My lord doth protest too much methinks. =20 Let us find another game to play. =20 [Exeunt]=20 ACT 3, Scene 2=20 [Enter FOX and KNOX]=20 FOX: Hark, Bim comes!=20 [Enter BIM] Ho, Ben comes!=20 [Enter BEN]=20 BIM: I hast Ben broom. =20 BEN: I hast Bim broom. =20 FOX: Look here upon this picture, and on this,=20 The counterfeit presentment of two brothers. See what a broom was bent = by=20 Ben; 5=20 Bim's bends, the broom of Ben himself=20 Is bent by Bim, to bend and break;=20 A broom like Bim's, new-bent by Ben=20 Is broken where every god did seem to bend. =20 [Flourish. Danish March (trumpets and kettle-drums). =20 Enter PIGS attendant]=20 This is Ben's band. Look you now what follows. 10=20 Here is Bim's band, like a big band,=20 Yea a pig band. Have you eyes?=20 Could you leave Bim and Ben to lead=20 These bands with brooms? What judgement=20 Would step from Ben's band banging 15=20 To sense th'ecstasy of Bim's band booming?=20 KNOX: Oh what a noble tongue is here o'erthrown!=20 The pig band, boom band, big band, broom band, Th'expectancy and rose = of my=20 poor mouth, The glass of fashion it cannot say, 20=20 Th'observed of all observers, quite, quite down, And my poor mouth most = deject and wretched. =20 FOX: Indeed, this mouth is now most still, most grave. =20 Come sir, to draw toward an end with you. =20 [Exeunt]=20 ACT 4, Scene 1=20 [Enter FOX, KNOX, LUKE LUCK, and DUCK]=20 FOX: How now, Luke Luck. Dost thou like lakes?=20 LUKE: Verily, my lord. =20 FOX: Dost thy duck like lakes?=20 LUKE: Truly to speak, and with no addition,=20 We go to lick a little patch of lake=20 That hath in it no profit but the name. 5=20 FOX: Why then, thou lick'st lakes. =20 LUKE: Ay, and my duck also lick'st lakes. =20 FOX: [to KNOX]=20 Two thousand lakes and twenty thousand licks Will not debate the = question=20 of which lake Luke Luck's duck postures to lick; 10=20 This is th'lake oft liked by Luke Luck. =20 How all occasions do inform that Luke Luck Takes licks in lakes liked = by duck. =20 KNOX: Witness this army of such blibber and blubber,=20 Blabbed not by a delicate and tender tongue, 15=20 Whose spirit be not made of rubber!=20 FOX: Too much of water hast thou, poor Knox,=20 And therefore I forbid my tears. But yet, Thou dost not have to be so = dumb,=20 my lord Knox. =20 [Exeunt]=20 ACT 4, Scene 2=20 [Enter FOX and KNOX]=20 FOX: Try to say this my lord Knox, prithee - Through three cheese = trees, or not through three cheese trees, That is the=20 question - whether 'tis nobler In the trees for three free fleas to = fly, Or=20 to take a freezy breeze that blew 5=20 While these fleas flew and by blowing=20 Freeze these three trees. To breeze, to freeze - No more; and by a = breeze=20 to blow we freeze The trees and the thousand natural trees That cheese = is=20 heir to - 'tis a cheese 10=20 Devoutly to be freezed. To breeze, to freeze - To freeze, perchance to=20 sneeze. Ay, there's the rub, For in that freeze of cheese what sneezes = may=20 come, When fleas flew off this mortal coil,=20 Must give us pause. =20 KNOX: Adieu my lord, 15=20 This is a speech of fire that fain would blaze But that this folly = douts it. =20 [Exeunt]=20 ACT 5, Scene 1=20 [Enter FOX and KNOX]=20 FOX: So much for this sir, now shall you see the other. =20 Bear witness to such talk as follows of tweetle beetles -=20 [Enter TWEETLE BEETLES]=20 What dost thou know of tweetle beetles?=20 Well, when tweetle beetles fare to cudgel brains 'Tis notified a = tweetle=20 beetle battle. 5=20 And with such maimed rites in a puddle?=20 This doth betoken a tweetle beetle puddle battle. And the corse they = follow=20 did with desperate paddles Fordo in a tweetle beetle puddle paddle = battle. =20 KNOX: What ceremony else?=20 FOX: What is he whose battle 10=20 Bears such beetles in a puddle? whose puddle of battle Conjures the=20 wandering paddles, and makes them stand In a wonder-wounded bottle? = This is=20 a tweetle beetle Bottle puddle paddle battle muddle. =20 And sir, in this bottle there was a kind of fighting 15=20 That would not let beetles sleep. Methought they battled Worse with = paddles=20 in a bottle. =20 [Enter POODLE attendant]=20 Rashly,=20 And on a poodle eating noodles - let us know, A muddle puddle tweetle=20 poodle beetle noodle Bottle paddle battle. And -=20 KNOX: The devil take thy soul. 20=20 Oh villainy! Come, for the battle, Fox. =20 When thou art in the bottle where the tweetle beetles Battle in answer = of=20 the paddles,=20 Let all the paddles on its noodle-eating poodle Drink to Fox's better=20 breath, and in the bottle 25=20 A battle shall he throw richer than that which Four successive kings in = Denmark's crown have worn. Let this be known a tweetle beetle noodle = poodle=20 Bottled paddled muddled duddled fuddled wuddled Fox in socks, my lord!=20 30=20 FOX: A hit, a very palpable hit. Oh I die, Knox,=20 The potent poison quite o'ercrows my spirit. [Dies]=20 KNOX: Now cracks a noble heart. Good night sweet prince,=20 And flights of angels sing our game done, sir. Thank you for a lot of = fun,=20 sir. 35=20 [Exeunt all]=20 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE7531.1CA7A54E--  1,, Summary-line: 23-Mar mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Can you grasp the logic??? Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06587; Tue, 23 Mar 99 14:36:36 EST Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22328; Tue, 23 Mar 99 14:37:20 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10PWyE-0003AE-00; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:36:15 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:36:09 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Can you grasp the logic??? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:36:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Can you grasp the logic??? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:36:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products > > THE RUNNERS-UP: > > 4th Runner-up-- The earth may spin faster on its axis due to > > deforestation. Just as a figure skater's rate of spin > > increases when the arms are brought in close to the body, > > the cutting of tall trees may cause our planet to spin > > dangerously fast. > > > > 3rd Runner-up-- Communist China is technologically > > underdeveloped because they have no alphabet. The lack of an > > alphabet means the Chinese cannot use "acronyms"; thus, they cannot > > communicate their ideas at a faster rate. > > > > 2nd Runner-up-- The 'Why Yawning Is Contagious' Theory: You yawn to > > equalize the pressure on your eardrums. This pressure change > > outside your eardrums unbalances other people's ear pressures, so > > they must yawn to even it all out. > > > > 1st Runner-up-- If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an > > infinite number of pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun > > rounds at an infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually > > produce all the world's great literary works in Braille. > > > > HONORABLE MENTION: The quantity of consonants in the > > English language is absolutely constant. If consonants are omitted > > in one geographic area, they turn up in another. When a Bostonian > > "pahks" his "cah", the lost r's migrate southwest, causing a Texan > > to "warsh" his car and invest in "erl wells." > > > > GRAND PRIZE WINNER: When a cat is dropped, it ALWAYS lands on its > > feet; and when toast is dropped, it ALWAYS lands with the buttered > > side facing down. Therefore, I propose to strap buttered toast to > > the back of a cat. When dropped, the two will hover, spinning inches > > above the ground, probably into eternity. A "buttered-cat array" > > could replace pneumatic tires on cars and trucks, and "giant > > buttered-cat arrays" could easily allow a high-speed monorail > > linking New York with Chicago.  1, forwarded,, Summary-line: 26-Mar jf@stan.mit.edu #More building 20 pictures Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24445; Fri, 26 Mar 99 15:08:10 EST Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26224; Fri, 26 Mar 99 15:08:57 EST Received: from stan.mit.edu (STAN.MIT.EDU [18.62.1.25]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA19418 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by stan.mit.edu (5.65/Eur1.0) id AA20881; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:06:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:06:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199903262006.AA20881@stan.mit.edu> From: "J. Frisbie" To: lsc-alums@martigny.ai.mit.edu Subject: More building 20 pictures *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:06:46 -0500 From: "J. Frisbie" To: lsc-alums@martigny.ai.mit.edu Subject: More building 20 pictures Building 20 fans, Check out www-eecs.mit.edu/building/index.html. There is a time lapse mpeg movie of the demolition. Happy hacking, Joe  1,, Summary-line: 28-Mar deebee@netspace.net.au #Re: Re : Robin and Richard Were Two Pretty Men Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29600; Sun, 28 Mar 99 20:22:54 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11990; Sun, 28 Mar 99 20:23:42 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA10703; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:22:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:22:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36FEC63F.A7F@netspace.net.au> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: deebee@netspace.net.au Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Diana Burleigh To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Re : Robin and Richard Were Two Pretty Men Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:22:51 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: deebee@netspace.net.au Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Diana Burleigh To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Re : Robin and Richard Were Two Pretty Men Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Thank you David for sourcing this for us. > > Tom Shepherd says < someone on Savoynet will enlighten me.>> > > Looks like it might be me. There's a nursery rhyme which runs : > > Robin and Richard were two pretty men > They lay in bed till the clock struck ten > Then up starts Robin and looks at the sky > "Oh, brother Richard, the sun's very high. > You go before with the bottle and bag > And I will come after, with little Jack nag." Robin and Richard were two pretty men was a suggested alternative title (along with Kensington Gore) for Ruddigore when the Victorians blanched at having to deal with Ruddy-gore. Now I understand the reference. Diana  1,, Summary-line: 29-Mar mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: INVESTMENT OPP Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15728; Mon, 29 Mar 99 13:29:52 EST Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07539; Mon, 29 Mar 99 13:30:39 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10RglA-0000Sq-00; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:27:49 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:18:31 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Patane, Corrine" , 'Dan J' , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , 'David J' , 'Dianne James' , 'Eitan' , 'Everett Doner' , 'Gwyn Aubrey' , 'J Derrick McClure' , 'Janice2' , 'Karen Potasnik' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'Leta Hall' , 'Lisa Blocher' , 'Louis Wernick' , 'Louise May' , 'moshe' , 'NEFF' , 'OMRI' , 'Paul' , "'Phil @ Home'" , 'Phil Sternenberg' , 'Rebecca C' , 'rice' , 'sam silvers' , "'scott@work'" , 'snyder' , 'sinasohn' Subject: FW: INVESTMENT OPP Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:18:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Patane, Corrine" , 'Dan J' , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , 'David J' , 'Dianne James' , 'Eitan' , 'Everett Doner' , 'Gwyn Aubrey' , 'J Derrick McClure' , 'Janice2' , 'Karen Potasnik' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'Leta Hall' , 'Lisa Blocher' , 'Louis Wernick' , 'Louise May' , 'moshe' , 'NEFF' , 'OMRI' , 'Paul' , "'Phil @ Home'" , 'Phil Sternenberg' , 'Rebecca C' , 'rice' , 'sam silvers' , "'scott@work'" , 'snyder' , 'sinasohn' Subject: FW: INVESTMENT OPP Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:18:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > As a special promotion, MonsterBook.com has announced that if and when > it > files for an Initial Public > Offering of shares in the future, within 1 month after the Public > Offering > of shares it will give you $10 cash > (US Currency) for every friend you referred to MonsterBook.com who > subscribed before May 1, 1999. > Should you earn a Referral Bonus under this promotion, you will be > able to > choose to receive your Bonus as > a cash payment, or to apply it toward the purchase of stock in > MonsterBook.com. See agreement below for > details. > > This is the web site: http://www.monsterbook.com/SignUp.asp > > Please use my id number when registering: 888759 > > Thanks! [RMB] -Rica  1, answered,, Summary-line: 29-Mar dennisj@charter-ne.com #Re: Y2K math trick Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10757; Mon, 29 Mar 99 18:19:17 EST Received: from tics1.charter-ne.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25065; Mon, 29 Mar 99 18:20:06 EST Received: (from bin@localhost) by tics1.charter-ne.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA05216 for David C. Jedlinsky ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:16:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dennisj@charter-ne.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:16:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903292316.SAA05216@tics1.charter-ne.com> Subject: Re: Y2K math trick To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: dennis jedlinsky Organization: Charter Communications *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:16:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Y2K math trick To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: dennis jedlinsky Organization: Charter Communications Oh yeah? Willard Scott wishes 104 year old Millie N. Eeum of Yoyo, MA a happy birthday and says "Now there's a nice looking lady; and she likes to eat out all seven days a week." The calculation comes up with 804 - She eats out 8 times a week and she is 4 years old. Y2K lives!!!! Also if someone eats out 0 times a week (and is under 100 years old), you only get a 2 digit number. Technically the leading digit is the 0, but hey, the problemstatement would only get you partial credit at good old MIT From: Your detail oriented MIT alumnus (Go UConn)  1,, Summary-line: 30-Mar dennisj@charter-ne.com #Re: Y2K math trick Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05914; Tue, 30 Mar 99 11:36:54 EST Received: from tics1.charter-ne.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01756; Tue, 30 Mar 99 11:37:42 EST Received: (from bin@localhost) by tics1.charter-ne.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA01131 for David C. Jedlinsky ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:34:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dennisj@charter-ne.com) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:34:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903301634.LAA01131@tics1.charter-ne.com> Subject: Re: Y2K math trick To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: dennis jedlinsky Organization: Charter Communications *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:34:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Y2K math trick To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: dennis jedlinsky Organization: Charter Communications I was just yanking your chain, anyway. This "trick" is like most barroom bet tricks: The string of calculations just comes down to a standard formula, i.e. 100X + 1999 (or 1998) with X = the "secret #", so it will always be the 1st of the 3 digits & birth year from 1999 (or 1998) is - would you believe it - your age  1,, Summary-line: 30-Mar mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Finally, the code is cracked.... Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06264; Tue, 30 Mar 99 11:37:57 EST Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02039; Tue, 30 Mar 99 11:38:44 EST Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10S1WB-0000bs-00; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:37:36 -0500 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:37:26 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Rozmus, Lori" , "Chiodo, Jane" , "Christ-Janer, Katherine" , "Deenihan, Michael" , "English, William" Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Finally, the code is cracked.... Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:37:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Rozmus, Lori" , "Chiodo, Jane" , "Christ-Janer, Katherine" , "Deenihan, Michael" , "English, William" Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Irv Hodgkin , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , Marisa Green , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Finally, the code is cracked.... Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:37:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain A bit off colour... @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products > > >The trick to successful dating is learning how to interpret the > hidden > > >signs, those tiny giveaway gestures that can tell you so much about > a > > >person. Train yourself to recognize - and decode - these key > "signs." > > > > > > 1. Woman won't unlock car door for man. - Doesn't engage in oral > sex. > > > 2. Man gets in car without opening door for woman. - No foreplay. > > > 3. Can't hail a cab. - impotent. > > > 4. Insists on going to a brand new restaurant. - prefers virgins. > > > 5. Insists on going to a brand new restaurant but gets lost on the > > > way. - Is a virgin. > > > 6. Insists on going to a romantic, candlelit restaurant. > > > - Compulsive Don Juan. > > > 7. Insists in going to a homey little cafe with windmill motif. > > > - Compulsive Don Quixote. > > > 8. Insists on going to a Polynesian bar. - Compulsive Don Ho. > > > 9. Wants to go to a French Restaurant. - will swallow. > > >10. Wants to go to a deli. - Won't swallow. > > >11. Uses Sweet n' Low. - Wearing falsies. > > >12. Takes too long deciding what to order. > > > - Has trouble reaching orgasm. > > >13. Orders salad dressing on the side. > > > - Will give you a hand job but will not go "all the way." > > >14. Gives explicit orders to waiter. > > > - Will expect incredibly skillful gymnastics in bed. > > >15. Asks for extra rolls. - Will say she's using birth control when > > > when she's not, will get pregnant and sue. > > >16. Insists on ordering for you, referring to you as "The lady will > > > have..." - Thinks you had an orgasm when you didn't. > > >17. Asks for "the usual" - Insists on missionary position only. > > >18. Asks what the specials are. - Will want you to use handcuffs. > > >19. Fills up on bread and crackers. - Premature ejaculator. > > >20. Doesn't finish everything on plate. - Has already come. > > >21. Insists on having some of whatever you ordered. - Will make you > > > sleep on wet spot. > > >22. Changes mind after ordering. - Will never call you. > > >23. Changes tables. - Nyphomaniac. > > >24. Drinks decaf. - Fakes orgasms (female). > > >25. Orders in French. - Fakes orgasms (male). > > >26. Sends food back. - Will sleep with you, brag to all his > friends, > > > then try to borrow money. > > >27. Asks for detailed descriptions of desserts. - Needs you to talk > > > dirty during sex. > > >28. Orders a dessert involving ladyfingers. - Wants a handjob. > > >29. Orders a dessert involving nuts. - Castrating bitch. > > >30. Wants to split dessert. - Is dying to get rid of her apartment, > > > move in with you, rearrange all your closets, and take down all > > > your baseball posters. > > >31. Credit card is refused. - Low sperm count. > > >32. Undertips waiter. - Small penis. > > >33. Undertips parking valet. - Small penis. > > >34. Undertips cabbie. - Small penis. > > >35. Uses toothpick. - Is trying to tell you size isn't everything. > > >36. Removable cassette player in car. - Pull outs repeatedly during > > > sex. > > >37. Cellular phone in car.- Penile implant. > > > > > > >  1,, Summary-line: 30-Mar cmajor@merchantsmgmt.com #internet Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21912; Tue, 30 Mar 99 14:40:40 EST Received: from administrator.merchantsmgmt.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27454; Tue, 30 Mar 99 14:40:25 EST Received: by NT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <106SQKZX>; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:46:49 -0500 Message-Id: <919508F09879D211BC6800C0F0164FE402D34E@NT> From: Cindy Major To: David Subject: internet Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:46:48 -0500 Return-Receipt-To: Cindy Major Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: Cindy Major To: David Subject: internet Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:46:48 -0500 Return-Receipt-To: Cindy Major Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey!!! How's life? It's getting warmer down here, finally. The weather is warm in the day but still gets very cold at night- needless to say I have had a cold for a week. We are putting in a slate patio under the deck behind our house. It looks really good so far, but we ran out of slate and we had to special order more through Home Depot and it won't be in until tomorrow, so hopefully the patio will be all done, landscaping and all, by this weekend. We'll send you pictures. Our tulips are blooming in the front yard and boy do I wish that we lived in a remote area like you guys because my neighbor said she saw some high school kid walk through our front yard and pick one!!! How rude. Question for my all knowing computer whiz bro: How do I look up info on a company on the internet? I am an internet virgin and need to do some detective work. I also want to get a D&B listing on it and maybe newspaper articles- can I get that stuff on the web too?! HELP!!! Hope to hear from you soon- keep the jokes coming!!!! PS- what did you do on March 18? I was in New Orleans with Dad and Di. Jed called us to say he was thinking about Mom. Did he call you? Miss you- Cinders  1,, Summary-line: 31-Mar rmacphai@bridgewater.edu #Re : Robin and Richard Were Two Pretty Men Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08435; Wed, 31 Mar 99 21:27:22 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15579; Wed, 31 Mar 99 21:28:11 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id VAA18560; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:27:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:27:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: rmacphai@bridgewater.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Ralph MacPhail, Jr." To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re : Robin and Richard Were Two Pretty Men Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990329001958.00812910@pop.site1.csi.com> *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:27:18 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: rmacphai@bridgewater.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Ralph MacPhail, Jr." To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re : Robin and Richard Were Two Pretty Men Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990329001958.00812910@pop.site1.csi.com> Some more on "Robin and Richard Were Two Pretty Men": According to William S. and Ceil Baring-Gound in _The Annotated Mother Goose_ (NY: Potter, 1062), "Robin and Richard" was published by John Newbery (1713-67) in _Mother Goose's Melody: or Sonnets for the Cradle_, perhaps as early as 1760 or five or six years later (depending on which scholar you read). (Newbery's name is used for the prestigious Award given each year in this country for the "best" children's book of the year.) Here's the verse (with the Baring-Gould's two annotations): Robin and Richard Were two pretty Men, [1] They lay in Bed 'Til the Clock struck Ten: Then up starts Robin And looks at the sky, Oh! Brother Richard, The Sun's very high; You go before With the Bottle and Bag, And I will come after On little Jack Nag. [2] [1] In later versions, "Alfred andRichard" and "two lazy men." [2] The editor of the _Melody_ commented: "What lazy rogues are these to lie in bed so long, I daresay they have no clothes to their backs; for _Laziness clothes a man with rags_." Forgive the late posting, but I'm catching up from a weekend away. Rafe On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, David Cookson wrote: > Tom Shepherd says < someone on Savoynet will enlighten me.>> > > Looks like it might be me. There's a nursery rhyme which runs : > > Robin and Richard were two pretty men > They lay in bed till the clock struck ten > Then up starts Robin and looks at the sky > "Oh, brother Richard, the sun's very high. > You go before with the bottle and bag > And I will come after, with little Jack nag." -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Ralph MacPhail, Jr. RMacPhai@Bridgewater.edu (540) 828-5342 Box 114 Bridgewater College FAX: 828-5479 Bridgewater VA 22812-1599 USA HOME: 828-6656 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  1,, Summary-line: 3-Apr midkiff@netcom.com #Re: OT: Torches Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15868; Sat, 3 Apr 99 00:53:38 EST Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22512; Sat, 3 Apr 99 00:54:27 EST Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id AAA03370; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:53:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:53:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199904030545.VAA28172@netcom14.netcom.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: midkiff@netcom.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Neil Midkiff To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: OT: Torches X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:53:20 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: midkiff@netcom.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Neil Midkiff To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: OT: Torches X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Real-looking flame on torches, presumably without real flame? This is a hard one. The closest I've ever seen, which was impressively good but not quite realistic, was difficult and expensive. It involves *bright* 12 volt bulbs (automobile back-up warning lamps, about 24 watts each) and the X-size cylindrical gel-cell batteries, six of them, in a tube about 2.5 inches in diameter and maybe 22 inches long. I don't recall if there were 2 or 3 bulbs per torch. The bulbs were tinted slightly different colors in the red/amber/yellow spectrum and surrounded by strips of gel in the same ranges. But the real secret is the electronic circuit that flickers the bulbs in a pseudo-random fashion - independently for each of the bulbs. The light varies in brightness and seems to waver back and forth between the bulbs spatially in a very flame-like way. One other neat trick was the use of a mercury switch so that they came on when the bulb end was held high, and turned off when inverted. This made it impossible for the actor to forget to turn it on when entering the stage. I wasn't in on the building of these, but inspired by them I have used automotive light bulbs and batteries to implement candles, gas lamps, hand lanterns, and even a distant lighthouse in the backdrop. There are several effective methods of designing the flickering, depending on the desired effect. I can supply further technical details to those who are interested - but can't promise to do so at a moment's notice, as I'm busy with Princess Ida at the Stanford Savoyards right now. (No electronics this time, though.) Ask me sometime about the eight-channel remote controller for flickering lights in flowered headdresses for Iolanthe fairies. -Neil Midkiff electrical engineer, when not singing or playing piano  1,, Summary-line: 4-Apr liane@MIT.EDU #Coming this weekend... Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA14980; Sun, 4 Apr 99 18:52:56 EDT Received: from PORCUPINE.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA09305; Sun, 4 Apr 99 18:53:37 EDT Received: by porcupine.mit.edu (8.8.7/4.7) id SAA01014; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:52:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199904042252.SAA01014@porcupine.mit.edu> To: mtg-members@MIT.EDU, theater@MIT.EDU, dramashop@MIT.EDU, artsnet@MIT.EDU, ec@MIT.EDU, stickmen@MIT.EDU, savoyards@MIT.EDU, music@MIT.EDU Subject: Coming this weekend... Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 18:52:44 EDT From: Brandy L Evans *** EOOH *** To: mtg-members@MIT.EDU, theater@MIT.EDU, dramashop@MIT.EDU, artsnet@MIT.EDU, ec@MIT.EDU, stickmen@MIT.EDU, savoyards@MIT.EDU, music@MIT.EDU Subject: Coming this weekend... Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 18:52:44 EDT From: Brandy L Evans The MIT Musical Theatre Guild presents... Stephen Sondheim's A FVNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORVM Book by Burt Shevelove and Larry Gelbart A comedy tonight! April 9-10th, 15-17th 8pm, April 11th 2pm Kresge Little Theatre *Prefrosh Half Price!* Pseudolus is the laziest slave in Rome and has but one wish, to purchase his freedom. When his master and mistress leave for the day he finds out that the young master has fallen in love with a virgin in the house of Lycus, a slave dealer specializing in beautiful women. Pseudolus concocts a deal in which he will be freed if he can procure the girl for young Hero. Of course, it can't be that simple as everything begins to go wrong. Tickets: $3 Prospective MIT Freshmen $6 MIT/Wellesley Students $8 MIT faculty/staff, other students, senior citizens $9 General Admission To place reservations: *See our booth in Lobby 10 *Call 253-6294 *Email mtg-tickets@mit.edu or *Visit our web page - http://www.mit.edu/~mtg  1,, Summary-line: 9-Apr mendes@aigfpc.com #RE: OK, It's Not Really A Joke Du Jour Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05855; Fri, 9 Apr 99 15:50:09 EDT Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA09375; Fri, 9 Apr 99 15:51:03 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10VhFn-0001vc-00; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:47:52 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2T26LK8F>; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:47:29 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: RE: OK, It's Not Really A Joke Du Jour Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:47:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: RE: OK, It's Not Really A Joke Du Jour Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:47:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I AM SUCH A FIG TREE! @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations > > Which tree are you? Which tree does your birthday fall under? > > > > December 23 to January 1 ........... Apple Tree > > January 2 to January 11 .............. Fir Tree > > January 12 to January 24 ............ Elm Tree > > January 25 to February 3 ............. Cypress Tree > > February 4 to February 8 ............. Poplar Tree > > February 9 to February 18 ............ Cedar Tree > > February 19 to February 28 .......... Pine Tree > > March 1 to March 10 ..................... Weeping Willow Tree > > March 11 to March 20 ................... Lime Tree > > March 21 ...................................... Oak Tree > > March 22 to March 31 ................... Hazelnut Tree > > April 1 to April 10 .................. ...... Rowan Tree > > April 11 to April 20 ....................... Maple Tree > > April 21 to April 30 ....................... Walnut Tree > > May 1 to May 14 ........................... Poplar Tree > > May 15 to May 24 ......................... Chestnut Tree > > May 25 to June 3 .......................... Ash Tree > > June 4 to June 13 ......................... Hornbeam Tree > > June 14 to June 23 ....................... Fig Tree > > June 24 ........................................ Birch Tree > > June 25 to July 4 .......................... Apple Tree > > July 5 to July 14 ........................... Fir Tree > > July 15 to July 25 ......................... Elm Tree > > July 26 to August 4 ....................... Cypress Tree > > August 5 to August 13 .................. Poplar Tree > > August 14 to August 23 ................. Cedar Tree > > August 24 to September 2 ............ Pine Tree > > September 3 to September 12 ..... Weeping Willow Tree > > September 13 to September 22 ... Lime Tree > > September 23 .............................. Olive Tree > > September 24 to October 3 .......... Hazelnut Tree > > October 4 to October 13 ............... Rowan Tree > > October 14 to October 23 ............. Maple Tree > > October 24 to November 11 .......... Walnut Tree > > November 12 to November 21 ...... Chestnut Tree > > November 22 to December 1 ........ Ash Tree > > December 2 to December 11 ........ Hornbeam Tree > > December 12 to December 21 ...... Fig Tree > > December 22 ................................ Beech Tree > > > > Apple Tree, the Love > > Of slight build, lots of charm, appeal and attraction, pleasant > aura, > > flirtatious, adventurous, sensitive, always in love, wants to love > > and be loved, faithful and tender partner, very generous, scientific > > talents, lives for today, a carefree philosopher with imagination. > > > > Fir Tree, the Mysterious > > Extraordinary taste, dignity, cultivated airs, loves anything > beautiful, > > moody, stubborn, tends to egoism but cares for those close to it, > rather > > modest, very ambitious, talented, industrious uncounted lover, many > > friends, > > many foes, very reliable. > > > > Elm Tree, the Noble-Minuteness > > Pleasant shape, tasteful clothes, modest demands, tends to not > forgive > > mistakes, cheerful, likes to lead but not to obey, honest and > faithful > > partner, tends to a know-all-attitude and making decisions for > others, > > noble-minded, generous, good sense of humor, practical. > > > > Cypress, the Faithfulness > > Strong, muscular, adaptable, takes what life has to give, happy > content, > > optimistic, needs enough money and acknowledgement, hates > loneliness, > > passionate lover which cannot be satisfied, faithful, > quick-tempered, > > unruly, pedantic and careless. > > > > Poplar, the Uncertainty > > Looks very decorative, no self-confident behaviour, only courageous > if > > necessary, needs goodwill and pleasant surroundings, very choosy, > often > > lonely, great animosity, artistic nature, good organizer, tends to > > philosophy, reliable in any situation, takes partnership serious. > > > > Cedar, the Confidence > > Of rare beauty, knows how to adapt, likes luxury, of good health, > not in > > the > > least shy, tends to look down on others, self-confident, determined, > > impatient, wants to impress others, many talents, industrious, > healthy > > optimism, waiting for the one true love, able to make quick > decisions. > > > > Pine Tree, the Particularity > > Loves agreeable company, very robust, knows how to make life > comfortable, > > very active, natural, good companion, but seldom friendly, falls > easily in > > love but its passion burns out quickly, gives up easily, many > > disappointments till it finds its ideal, trustworthy, practical. > > > > Weeping Willow, the Melancholy > > Beautiful but full of melancholy, attractive, very empathic, loves > > anything > > beautiful and tasteful, loves to travel, dreamer, restless, > capricious, > > honest, can be influenced but is not easy to live with, demanding, > good > > intuition, suffers in love but finds sometimes an anchoring partner. > > > > Lime Tree, the Doubt > > Accepts what life dishes out in a composed way, hates fighting, > stress and > > labour, tends to laziness and idleness, soft and relenting, makes > > sacrifices > > for friends, many talents but not tenacious enough to make them > blossom, > > often wailing and complaining, very jealous, loyal. > > > > Hazelnut Tree, the Extraordinary > > Charming, undermining, very understanding, knows how to make an > > impression, > > active fighter for social cause, popular, moody and capricious > lover, > > honest > > and tolerant partner, precise sense of judgement. > > > > Rowan, the Sensitivity > > Full of charm, cheerful, gifted, without egoism, likes to draw > attention, > > loves life, motion, unrest and even complications, is both dependent > and > > independent, good taste, artistic, passionate, emotional, good > company, > > does > > not forgive. > > > > Maple, Independence of Mind > > No ordinary person, full imagination and originality, shy and > reserved, > > ambitious, proud, self-respect, hungers for new experiences, > sometimes > > nervous, many complexes, good memory, learns easily, complicated > love > > life, > > wants to impress. > > > > Walnut Tree, the Passion > > Unrelenting, strange and full of contrasts, often egotistic, > aggressive, > > noble, broad horizon, unexpected reactions, spontaneous, unlimited > > ambition, > > no flexibility, difficult and uncommon partner, not always liked but > often > > admired, ingenious strategist, very jealous and passionate, no > > compromises. > > > > Chestnut Tree, the Honesty > > Of unusual beauty, does not want to impress, well-developed sense of > > justice, vivacious, interested, a born diplomat, but irritate and > > sensitive > > in company, often due to a lack of self-confidence, acts sometimes > > superior, > > feels not understood, loves only once, has difficulties in finding a > > partner. > > > > Ash Tree, the Ambition > > Uncommonly attractive, vivacious, impulsive, demanding, does not > care for > > criticism, ambitious, intelligent, talented, likes to play with its > > fate, can be egotistic, very reliable and trust-worthy, faithful and > > prudent > > lover, sometimes brains rule over heart, but takes partnership > > very serious. > > > > Hornbeam, the Good Taste > > Of cool beauty, cares for its looks and condition, good taste, tends > to > > egotism, makes life as comfortable as possible, leads reasonable, > > disciplined life, looks for kindness, an emotional partner and > > acknowledgement, dreams of unusual lovers, is seldom happy with > his/her > > feelings, mistrusts most people, is never sure of its decisions, > very > > consciences. > > > > Fig Tree, the Sensibility > > Very strong, a bit self-willed, independent, does not allow > contradiction > > or > > arguments, loves life, its family, children and animals, a bit of a > > butterfly, good sense of humor, likes idleness and laziness, of > practical > > talent and intelligence. > > > > Oak, robust nature > > Courageous, strong, unrelenting, independent, sensible, does not > love > > changes, keeps its feet on the ground, person of action. > > > > Birch, The Inspiration > > Vivacious, attractive, elegant, friendly, unpretentious, modest, > does not > > like anything in excess, abhors the vulgar, loves life in nature and > in > > calm, not very passionate, full of imagination, little ambition, > creates a > > calm and content atmosphere. > > > > Olive Tree, the Wisdom > > Loves sun, warmth and kind feelings, reasonable, balanced, avoids > > aggression > > and violence, tolerant, cheerful, calm, well-developed sense of > justice, > > sensitive, empathic, free of jealousy, loves to read and the > company of > > sophisticated people. > > > > Beech, the Creative > > Has good taste, concerned about its looks, materialist, good > organization > > of > > life and career, economical, good leader, takes no unnecessary > risks, > > reasonable, splendid lifetime companion, keen on keeping fit (diets, > > sports, > > etc.). >  1,, Summary-line: 10-Apr BMILLER@holycross.edu #Book Review: A Medical History of Sir Arthur Sullivan [long, Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27032; Sat, 10 Apr 99 12:45:08 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13106; Sat, 10 Apr 99 12:45:02 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA21123; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: BMILLER@holycross.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bruce I. Miller" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Book Review: A Medical History of Sir Arthur Sullivan [long, potentially amusing] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: BMILLER@holycross.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bruce I. Miller" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Book Review: A Medical History of Sir Arthur Sullivan [long, potentially amusing] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 How many people out there know about this book? I just got a copy on Interlibrary Loan, and suspect it is fairly hard to find by now. "A Medical History of Sir Arthur Sullivan" is a small booklet, about 5 3/4 X 6 3/4 inches, published in 1966 by Eaton Laboratories, Division of The Norwich Pharmacal Co., Norwich, New York. 28 unnumbered pages, on high quality vellum with some rather witty (alas, uncredited) illustrations. The only way I can describe these drawings is that they are in a style similar to the caricatures used on the banner of the NEGASS publication "The Trumpet Bray." The inside front cover gives the following information: "This is the eighth in a series of vignettes based on 'Troubled Waters,' a manuscript of the late Benjamin S. Abeshouse, M.D., a practicing urologist whose lifetime avocation was the collection of historical data dealing with the influence of genitourinary disease in the lives of famous men and women. "Benjamin Samuel Abeshouse was born on February 7, 1901, in New Haven, Connecticut. He attended Yale University, receiving a Ph.B [sic] in 1921 and an M.D. in 1924... "A noted contributor of genitourinary literature. Dr. Abeshouse was author of more than one hundred and twenty articles. He possessed the world's largest collection of epitaphs at the time of his death. This collection now resides with the permanent collection of the Smithsonian Institute in Washington, D.C." Edited by Eaton Laboratories from an original manuscript written by Benjamin S. Abeshouse, M.D." I was looking forward to reading the book, as it appeared we might find some new material or insights concerning Sullivan's kidney malady. Instead, the few references are to already known material and shed no new light on the medical history. The text is, however, extremely amusing - sometimes intentionally, sometimes not! The book gets some things dead right, but as often commits errors which rival those in Caryl Brahms. Some quotations, with my editorial comments: The first paragraph begins: "All his life Arthur Seymour Sullivan was sensitive about his initials. [This is true. Ed.] He was almost ashamed of his genius for light musical compositions which brought him wider fame than his 'serious' work. [Also a fair statement. Ed.] This greater fame was dependent upon a detested collaborator, a circumstance galling to his sensitive spirit. [We could argue about this. Ed.]" Later, in "Born to the Salon": "The fingers of his right hand were tobacco-stained; he was given to cigarette smoking and, increasingly, to gambling, playing the horses, cards, and the seductions of Monte Carlo." In "Partners of Convenience": "Gilbert & Sullivan couldn't stand each other. They were of utterly dissimilar temperaments. They rarely met except when business compelled them to. Yet their antagonistic relationship continued for more than 20 years, sustained, like some incompatible marriages, by an inflow of funds, the stimulation of quarrels, and the lack of need to come face to face very often." "Whence sprang the mutual disesteem of the partners? Gilbert was the dominant and certainly the more testy of the pair. He could make savage comments about Sullivan. But he was the latter's equal in public gentility. "Sullivan was dependent on Gilbert to inspire the music he produced; dependents rarely love their benefactors. Gilbert was jealous of the acclaim that Sullivan's music wrung from audiences. He may well have felt that his verse rhythms almost wrote music themselves. Both partners no doubt suffered from the occupational neurosis of collaborators: "I did more than you did." During his American trip (the premiere of Pirates): "Sullivan labored incessantly. One day he was found unconscious; the same evening he spoke at a dinner in his honor. He would rehearse all day, attend a social affair, return to the theatre and rehearse late into the night. It was not the most soothing of kidney regimens." "He was late with Iolanthe, and an attack of the stone put him to bed after he labored three nights until six in the morning." About The Grand Duke: It was an abysmal failure, sundering with finality the only thread that held them together - mutual profit." About his health towards the end: "The vital tides were slowly ebbing...As the months wore on he became peevish, insulted if no one wished to play cards with him. Ravages of illness showed in lusterless eyes, sunken cheeks that once were plump, skin like yellow parchment." "Gilbert was drowned in a boating accident in 1911. He left no epitaph for Sullivan, unless a grudging one can be inferred from a line in Pinafore: "It is greatly to his credit that he was an Englishman." [Abeshouse really missed the boat with this paragraph. His alleged expertise in epitaphs failed him, as he evidently had no idea about the "Is life a boon" quotation which Gilbert offered. Wonder how many of his medical articles were similarly "researched'?] The inside rear cover contains the following advertisement: "For today's treatment of urinary tract infection: In over a decade of wide clinical use...more than 32,000,000 courses of treatment: FURADANTIN (nitrofurantoin) prompt thorough dependable safe economical control of infection throughout the urinary system" The copy I have on loan is from the library of the University of Missouri - Kansas City. Bruce I. Miller bmiller@holycross.edu  1,, Summary-line: 13-Apr eichin@thok.org #FYI - Job Change Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21650; Tue, 13 Apr 99 10:43:00 EDT Received: from paycheck.thok.org by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27219; Tue, 13 Apr 99 10:42:37 EDT Received: (qmail 30507 invoked by uid 3382); 13 Apr 1999 14:42:36 -0000 To: eichin@thok.org Subject: FYI - Job Change From: eichin@thok.org (Mark W. Eichin) Date: 13 Apr 1999 10:42:35 -0400 Message-Id: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 *** EOOH *** To: eichin@thok.org Subject: FYI - Job Change From: eichin@thok.org (Mark W. Eichin) Date: 13 Apr 1999 10:42:35 -0400 Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 As of 1999-05-01 I will be working at FastEngines, with Monty, Proven, and Semyon Dukach. FastEngines is a product/technology-based startup, built on a very successful FastCGI product; I'm joining to work on new directions, architecture, and "Making the Web Faster". FastEngines is roughly the size Arepa was when I joined a year and a half ago, and has a lot more excitement and risk; Arepa is now 60 people and has hard engineering and market challenges, but no longer has the edge of "can we do this at all" - instead the challenge is "can we polish this" and "can we squash our competitors like bugs" :-) Not that motivating, any more... FastEngines' local office is at 675 Mass Ave, ie. Central^2 right above the T stop - or more significantly, "2 blocks from Mary's" :-) _Mark_ The Herd Of Kittens ps. Soon to be but the thok.org address is better for non-business mail anyway.  1,, Summary-line: 13-Apr mjacknis@MIT.EDU #confirming duplication request Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA14010; Tue, 13 Apr 99 11:31:36 EDT Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA20457 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ASHDOWN-SIX.MIT.EDU (ASHDOWN-SIX.MIT.EDU [18.250.5.6]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA20940 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ASHDOWN-SIX.MIT.EDU (8.8.7/4.7) id LAA00815; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:31:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:31:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199904131531.LAA00815@ASHDOWN-SIX.MIT.EDU> From: Michael L Jacknis To: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: confirming duplication request *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:31:31 -0400 From: Michael L Jacknis To: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: confirming duplication request Opus, This is to confirm/summarize what we discussed on the phone last night. -38 copies of DT edited -53 copies of G&S Mikado -DT running time under 2 hours -caution-- program audio starts a couple seconds before video -You have VHS to confirm that HI-8 tapes are OK... I'm not 100% sure labels on both tapes. G&S library boxes to be confirmed soon (likeyl yes) cost of DT tapes $6/per cost of G&S tapes $7.20/per Cost of labels w/0 boxes no more than .25 per tape. cost of boxes & labels $1/per total cost... DT $6.25; G&S $8.20. Since I will handle late orders, I would like to keep the unused portion of the label sheets, for use with future orders. May I also have an electronic copy of the postscript files for future reference? Labels to discreetly include the following information on the face label: MIT Student Cable Michael L. Jacknis http://mitv.mit.edu Question: can part of this information also appear on the very end of the spine label, in small print? IE: spine label: ------------------------------------------------- |blah blah blah .....................|MIT Student| (or all info | | Cable | in small print) ------------------------------------------------- Since you have experience with this, I will leave to your judgement; it should be tasteful and not gaudy as we agreed :) also, VHS Hi-Fi Stereo instead of Color. Note: the actual running time of DT is under 90 minutes, but I did not determine it exactly (sorry) There is relevant material on the DT videotape beyond the end of the show and closing credits. For G&S, Labels to otherwise be the same as in the past. For dancetroupe, labels to include most of the relevant information as given on the initial title screen on the videotape IE... MIT Dancetroupe presents [name of show] (Fever) [date of performance, version of video] (superwide or edited) To the extent that you have the opportunity to watch portions of these tapes, your comments/reactions are most welcome. Thanks for all your help! Let me know if there is anything else. I will have the DT superwide tapes for this weekend (possibly Friday or Saturday in La Sala; if not then, Monday night; will let you know) Sincerely, Mike Jacknis.  1,, Summary-line: 14-Apr mendes@aigfpc.com #Self-Survey aka Me and you... Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA13738; Wed, 14 Apr 99 09:12:14 EDT Received: from relay5.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11747; Wed, 14 Apr 99 09:13:10 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay5.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10XPSS-0002qX-00; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:12:01 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2VT2K7N0>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:11:53 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "'Adina @ Work'" , 'Amy Allen' , 'Ari' , 'Brian Sweeney' , 'clapp' , 'Daddy' , 'Dan J' , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , 'David Craven' , 'David J' , 'Dianne James' , 'Eitan' , 'Elizabeth Evans & Peter Emery' , 'Everett Doner' , 'Gwyn Aubrey' , 'Irv Hodgkin' , 'J Derrick McClure' , 'Janice2' , 'Jen Graham' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'Lavina' , 'Leta Hall' , 'Lisa Blocher' , 'lisap' , 'Louise May' , 'NEFF' , 'OMRI' , 'Paul' , "'Phil @ Home'" , 'Rebecca C' , 'baby' , 'sam silvers' , "'scott@work'" , 'Sigal' , 'sooz' , 'stevemartin' Cc: "Chiodo, Jane" , "Christ-Janer, Katherine" , "Rozmus, Lori" , "Jaques, Sabrina" , "Harriman, Paul" , "Friedman, Kelly" , "Flynn, Kelly" , "D'Agostino, Stephanie" , "Bell, Mitchell" , "Patane, Corrine" , "Litwin, Jennifer" Subject: Self-Survey aka Me and you... Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:11:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "'Adina @ Work'" , 'Amy Allen' , 'Ari' , 'Brian Sweeney' , 'clapp' , 'Daddy' , 'Dan J' , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , 'David Craven' , 'David J' , 'Dianne James' , 'Eitan' , 'Elizabeth Evans & Peter Emery' , 'Everett Doner' , 'Gwyn Aubrey' , 'Irv Hodgkin' , 'J Derrick McClure' , 'Janice2' , 'Jen Graham' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'Lavina' , 'Leta Hall' , 'Lisa Blocher' , 'lisap' , 'Louise May' , 'NEFF' , 'OMRI' , 'Paul' , "'Phil @ Home'" , 'Rebecca C' , 'baby' , 'sam silvers' , "'scott@work'" , 'Sigal' , 'sooz' , 'stevemartin' Cc: "Chiodo, Jane" , "Christ-Janer, Katherine" , "Rozmus, Lori" , "Jaques, Sabrina" , "Harriman, Paul" , "Friedman, Kelly" , "Flynn, Kelly" , "D'Agostino, Stephanie" , "Bell, Mitchell" , "Patane, Corrine" , "Litwin, Jennifer" Subject: Self-Survey aka Me and you... Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:11:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Copy this entire e-mail and change all the answers so they apply to You ... then send it to everyone you know, INCLUDING the person who sent It to you ... which would be ME!! You should get back alot of get-to-know-you e-mails. You'll learn a lot about your friends that maybe you didn't know. Please take a few minutes to do it. I can't wait to get them all back. I thought it was a LOT of fun!!! 1- Name given at birth: Rica Miriam de Sola Mendes (has evolved - Rica Miriam Wasser de Sola Mendes to Rica Miriam Wasser de Sola Mendes-Barry) 2- Nicknames: Suave (But I'd better not hear ANYONE use it!) 3- Hometown: Pound Ridge, NY 4- Croutons or Bacon Bits: neither 5- Favorite Salad Dressing: Ranch/Creamy Garlic (TIE) 6- Do you drink coffee: Yes - a cup a day on average 7- Shampoo or Conditioner: Both. 8- Have you ever gone skinny dipping?: Yes. 9- Do you make fun of people? What me? NEVER. And if I do, I mean every word. Really. I do. 10- Favorite color: Black, burgundy 11- Have you ever been convicted of a crime?: Nope 12- Best on-line friends: Amy *gush*, Adina, Lisa, Katherine, Jane 13- One pillow or two: As many as I can have without pushing bed partners onto the floor (kitties, of course!) 14 - Pets: 2 cats (1 is hubby's), an iguana, a snake, about a dozen fish and a ficus tree. 15- Favorite type of music: Lilith Fair artists, Mozart, G&S, New Age (GOOD new age - with Celtic influence), Israeli folk and rock, grunge/mosh pit music, medieval and rennaisance music, rock-a-pella 16- Hobbies: Fabric crafts, costuming, refinishing, photography, sketching, music, acting (in no particular order), travel (when I can), shopping (down and dirty) 17- Toothpaste: Crest Soft Mint Gel 18- Favorite Foods: Middle Eastern food, Japanese, Chinese, amazingly fresh fruits, CHOCOLATE 19- Do you get along with your parents? No comment. 20- Favorite town to chill out in: Jerusalem (can you tell I'm getting Israel-sick?). 21- Favorite ice cream: Fresh blueberry ice cream from some podunk, backstreet, out of the house ice cream shop in Maine. Other than that, Haagen Daaz Swiss chocolate almond and Ben & Jerry's New York Super Fudge. 22- Favorite Drink: The Armadillo (a concoction I invented after studying at the National Bartender's School - don't try this at home - I'm a professional). 23- What's your bed time: 11-2am 24- Adidas, Nike or Reebok: Tie - Nike or Reebok (Nike for basketball, Reebok from cross-trainers) 25- Favorite Perfume/Cologne: Wasser (My grandmothers favorite - I can't spell the name - it's in German). 26- Favorite Web Site: Room By Room and Realtor.com 28- Least favorite subject: The size of my ass. 29- Favorite television show: WILL & GRACE, NYPD Blue (see, I love you, Josh!), X-Files, ER, Drew Carey Show, Friends, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Room By Room, Decorating Cents, Interior Motives, Just Shoot Me, M*A*S*H, (I'll admit it) 90210... 31- Most humiliating Moment: Where to begin... I'll avoid tragically humiliating... having to go on stage in Philadelphia for the 3 Princess Project in front of a VERY large audience knowing that I did not know my lines, choreography or music due to a lack of rehearsal beyong my control. 32- Craziest person(s) or silliest you know: Scott (for marrying me), Callan, Sigal, Sally, Sam, Amy... jeepers... everyone I know! 33- What do you look for in the opposite sex: Cute butt. 34-Say one nice thing about the person who sent you this and be sure to send it back to them: Adina: I wuv you. Even though you tortured me as a child, implanting complex after complex (including an inherent fear of dark hallways, open closet doors and Tom Leher when I'm tired), you've grown up to be a really wonderful friend - I feel like you're the sister I never had. 35- Person you sent this to that is least likely to respond: Gideon Leventhall, you dog! 36- Favorite Quote: Give me loves! -Will, to his "Snouts" on "Will & Grace" @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products  1,, Summary-line: 14-Apr mgillett@umich.edu #full score of Utopia, was: Full score of Sorcerer? Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04602; Wed, 14 Apr 99 11:13:21 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23662; Wed, 14 Apr 99 11:14:18 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA23065; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: mgillett@umich.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mitchell Scott Gillett To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: full score of Utopia, was: Full score of Sorcerer? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum In-Reply-To: *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mgillett@umich.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mitchell Scott Gillett To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: full score of Utopia, was: Full score of Sorcerer? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum In-Reply-To: Just that. I seem to recall about a year ago that someone was compiling a full score, but I have no idea if it was done, it might also have been David Larick. UMGASS is planing Utopia for fall, and I thought I might get a jump on it for them. Mitch Gillett  1,, Summary-line: 14-Apr mendes@aigfpc.com #Bees and Books Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07484; Wed, 14 Apr 99 13:32:01 EDT Received: from relay5.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03685; Wed, 14 Apr 99 13:31:50 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay5.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10XTVi-0004Hj-00; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:31:39 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2VT2K8AM>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:31:33 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: Bees and Books Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:31:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: Bees and Books Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:31:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain [RMB] > Two bees ran into each other. One asked the other how things > were going. > > "Really bad," said the second bee, "the weather has been > really wet and damp and there aren't any flowers or pollen, > so I can't make any honey > > "No problem," said the first bee, "Just fly down five blocks > and turn left and keep going until you see all the cars. > There's a Bar Mitzvah going on and there are all kinds of > fresh flowers and fresh fruit." > > "Thanks for the tip" said the second bee and flew away. > > A few hours later the two bees ran into each other again and > the first bee asked, "How'd it go?" > > "Fine," said the second bee, "It was everything you said it > would be." > > "Uh, what's that thing on your head?" asked the first bee. > > "That's my yarmulka," said the second bee, "I didn't want > them to think I was a wasp." > > ________________________________________________________ > > > >Yes, it's sick and disturbed, but good for a giggle..... > > > >>>Children's Books That Just Didn't Sell > >>>1. You Were an Accident > >>>2. Strangers Have the Best Candy > >>>3. The Little Sissy Who Snitched > >>>4. Some Kittens Can Fly! > >>>5. Getting More Chocolate on Your Face > >>>6. Where Would You Like to Be Buried? > >>>7. Kathy Was So Bad Her Mom Stopped Loving Her > >>>8. The Attention Deficit Disorder Association's Book: Wild > >>>Animals of > >>>North > >>>Amer-Hey! Let's Go Ride Our Bikes! > >>>9. All Dogs Go to Hell > >>>10. The Kid's Guide to Hitchhiking > >>>11. You Are Different and That's Bad > >>>12. Dad's New Wife Timothy > >>>13. POP! Goes the Hamster...and Other Great Microwave Games > >>>14. Testing Homemade Parachutes Using Only Your Household Pets > >>>15. The Hardy Boys, the Barbie Twins, and the Vice Squad > >>>16. Babar Meets the Taxidermist > >>>17. Curious George and the High Voltage Fence > >>>18. The Boy Who Died From Eating All His Vegetables > >>>19. The Pop-Up Book of Human Anatomy > >>>20. Things Rich Kids Have, But You Never Will > >>>21. The Care Bears Maul Some Campers and Are Shot Dead > >>>22. How to Become the Dominant Military Power in Your Elementary > >>>School > >>>23. Controlling the Playground: Respect Through Fear > >>>24. What is That Dog Doing to That Other Dog? > >>>25. Why Can't Mr. Fork and Ms. Electrical Outlet Be Friends? > >>>26. Bi-Curious George > >>>27. Daddy Drinks Because You Cry > > > > o \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ > \o/ o > /|\ | /\ ___\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | > /|\ > / \ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / > \ / \ > > Rica Mendes-Barry and Scott Barry "What was I thinking?... > I've > never, hardly ever, > phoebem@mail.idt.net right now > I'm > not drunk" - Christine Lavin >  1,, Summary-line: 14-Apr sra@microsoft.com #RE: Seeking a bit-part actor Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12080; Wed, 14 Apr 99 13:42:27 EDT Received: from mail4.microsoft.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16867; Wed, 14 Apr 99 13:43:19 EDT Received: by INET-IMC-04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) id <27C3957C>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:42:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Stephen Adams To: 'Alice Waugh' , mitcp@MIT.EDU Subject: RE: Seeking a bit-part actor Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:41:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) *** EOOH *** From: Stephen Adams To: 'Alice Waugh' , mitcp@MIT.EDU Subject: RE: Seeking a bit-part actor Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:41:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) I'm sorry that I can't oblige, but the phrase "dying to appear (briefly) on stage" reminds me of my latest theatrical endeavour. I volunteered to sell tickets at the Seattle Fringe Festival (http://www.seattlefringe.org/). After the first night the volunteer coordinator asked if I would mind appearing briefly on stage in one of the plays since they were missing a corpse. I think the part in She Stoops will be more challenging since the corpse had no head and no dialogue. -----Original Message----- From: Alice Waugh [mailto:awaugh@MIT.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 7:22 AM To: mitcp@MIT.EDU; theater@MIT.EDU Subject: Seeking a bit-part actor Hi all, Are you dying to appear (briefly) on stage but don't want the angst of trying to remmeber gobs of lines? Then this is for you! The MIT Community Players are seeking a male (college age or older) to play two tiny parts in its upcoming production of Oliver Goldsmith's "She Stoops to Conquer," to be performed May 6-8 in Kresge Little Theater. The roles are the Landlord (appears at end of Act I) and a servant, Roger, who pops in at the beginning of Act II. The MIT Community Players web site at http://web.mit.edu/mitcp has all the details as well as a link to a free downloadable script. The play, written ca. 1770, is a witty romantic comedy performed by a fun bunch of MIT staff, students, alums and assorted hangers-on. Please let us know if you or any of your friends might be interested in joining us for this fun and not-very-time-consuming role! Alice Waugh Producer and MITCP president awaugh@mit.edu 258-5401 (days)  1,, Summary-line: 15-Apr sharkli@netlink.co.uk #Re: BBC Magazine with ROSE OF PERSIA at bargain price Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15543; Wed, 14 Apr 99 20:57:34 EDT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22312; Wed, 14 Apr 99 20:58:34 EDT Received: from [212.140.4.99] (helo=btinternet.com) by neodymium with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10XaR0-0004Hu-00 for opus@mit.edu; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:55:16 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:31:20 +0100 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Helga Perry Subject: Re: BBC Magazine with ROSE OF PERSIA at bargain price References: <199904142256.SAA08399@charon.MIT.EDU> In-Reply-To: <199904142256.SAA08399@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:31:20 +0100 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Helga Perry Subject: Re: BBC Magazine with ROSE OF PERSIA at bargain price References: <199904142256.SAA08399@charon.MIT.EDU> In-Reply-To: <199904142256.SAA08399@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Dave, I'll be sending from the UK. Please send me your address so I can get it in the post ASAP. My address for the $12.50 is given below. In message <199904142256.SAA08399@charon.MIT.EDU>, David C. Jedlinsky writes > >Hi Helga. > >If you have any copies of The Rose of Persia left, I would like to get >a copy. Are you in the States at the moment, or would you be shipping >from the UK? > >-Dave Jedlinsky >opus@mit.edu > Helga Perry sharkli@btinternet.com Snail Mail: 25 Peregrine Close, Quedgeley, Gloucester GL2 4LG England  1,, Summary-line: 15-Apr sharkli@btinternet.com #ANNOUNCING A NEW G&S DISCOVERY by Bruce I. Miller and Helga J. Perry Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15221; Thu, 15 Apr 99 07:13:42 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06077; Thu, 15 Apr 99 07:14:41 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id HAA24466; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: sharkli@btinternet.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Helga Perry To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: ANNOUNCING A NEW G&S DISCOVERY by Bruce I. Miller and Helga J. Perry Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: sharkli@btinternet.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Helga Perry To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: ANNOUNCING A NEW G&S DISCOVERY by Bruce I. Miller and Helga J. Perry Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Dear members of SavoyNet: This afternoon Bruce I. Miller is reading a paper on behalf of us both at the 10th annual interdisciplinary conference of the Society for Textual Scholarship, C.U.N.Y Graduate Center, New York, announcing our discovery of most of the missing orchestral parts for a "lost" musical number in H.M.S. PINAFORE. This is the ballad which was to have been sung by Captain Corcoran to Josephine in the scene immediately following her entrance song, "Sorry her lot." (Josephine joined him in duet for the refrain.) The words begin, "Reflect, my child" and can be found in a version transcribed by Ian Bradley in all editions of his Annotated Gilbert and Sullivan (careful readers will observe that our edition differs in certain respects from Bradley's): BALLAD. CAPTAIN. Reflect, my child, he may be brave As any in the Royal Navy And daily foil a watery grave, The locker of poor Davy. But ah! what gallant act Could counteract The fearful social ban That falls on man Who with his knife's sharp blade devours his gravy. ENSEMBLE. In truth I fear The sneer That would disgrace Each face When he with blade of knife devoured his gravy. CAPTAIN. He may a second Shakespeare be, Endowed with faculty creative, But what avail such gifts, if he Confounds accusative with dative. In what far nook of earth Would moral worth, Or strength of lung or limb, Atone for him Whose verbs don't tally with the nomi-native. ENSEMBLE. Oh, I can tell Too well How people frown Him down Whose verbs don't tally with the nominative. The ballad appears to have been cut prior to opening night, but had been set to music and scored before its excision. Gilbert mentions in his diary entry for May 1st 1878 that he "wrote 'Reflect my child' for Barrington" and took the words to Sullivan the same evening. It appears to be the only musical number from this opera that Gilbert mentioned by name in his diaries during the time that he was working on the opera. The music was found last summer in old manuscript orchestra parts of H.M.S. PINAFORE which were copied for the D'Oyly Carte Opera Company, and which have been made available for study by us. The story is that Bruce asked me to look at these old manuscript band parts to help resolve editorial problems for the critical edition now in progress. I told Bruce on the phone that some of the parts contained the very first PINAFORE Act II Finale, and were obviously 19th century in origin. He asked me to check them to see if there was any evidence of the splitting and renumbering of "Over the bright blue sea" to take into account the removal of the original #6 "Reflect, my child" ["Over the bright blue sea" became the new #6 and "Sir Joseph's barge is seen" became #7]. I said I had a viola part of music which did not match that of "Over the bright blue sea." ! We both got very excited, and Bruce asked if there were any other books containing this music. I called back 15 minutes later with the following list: parts for flutes and clarinets that contained some brief vocal cues, also (French) horns, violas, two cello/bass books, and a trombone book that had "tacet" written for the old No. 6. The First violin part was all that had hitherto been known to have survived: David Mackie found and transcribed it at the D'Oyly Carte office in 1976, and David Russell Hulme reproduced a transcription of this same Violin I music in his Ph.D. dissertation for the University of Wales Aberystwyth in 1986 (British Library: Thesis reference DX 171353). Percy M. Young, the editor of the Pinafore critical edition, also kindly made available to us his own transcription. The original violin book has unfortunately vanished. We didn't find that, nor did we find a 2nd violin part, so we used the material from Mackie, Young and Hulme to fill in the 1st violin, and reconstructed a conjectural violin 2 part based on what we had in the other string parts. As musicians will know, reconstructing a 2nd violin part in this type of orchestration is a relatively straightforward and not difficult task. We didn't have the vocal lines either - there is no full score extant for this number, though one can see where it used to be in Sullivan's autograph score. It never got into any vocal scores. So we had to do a lot of detective work over the past nine months. We had some clues from cues in the flute & clarinet parts (clarinet has 4 notes with the words underneath, so we knew it was the right song), and the refrain was pretty obvious to work out from the woodwind parts too. We didn't have so much to go on for the verse - a couple of cadences and some unison string measures were the easy sections, and we've come up with several possibilities for filling in the gaps. To those of you who have kept track of scholarship in this field, the task of our reconstruction was similar to that faced by those attempting a similar process for the Duke's song in Patience, "Though men of rank may useless seem." In our situation there appeared to be more melodic help in the orchestration, so that for a large percentage of the ballad we can be confident of Sullivan's melodic line. For much of the verse, however, the accompaniment provides less assistance. As there really is no formula for reconstructing a Sullivan melody in the relatively free form he left to us, our reconstruction is simply a means by which the number can be performed. We have assessed and evaluated many alternate approaches. We assume that others will be playing around with the existing jigsaw puzzle for years. Our edition, which includes a comprehensive article, full score, piano- vocal reduction, band parts, and critical apparatuses for both the words and the music, has been copyrighted and will be published in two Broude Brothers publications: as part of the appendix for the critical edition of Pinafore, and in a separate performance edition so that people who already possess a set of orchestral parts can include this number in their productions. (The critical edition of Pinafore will be issued with complete performance materials as well.) The first live public performance with full orchestra will be given at the International Gilbert & Sullivan Festival in Buxton, England, on July 29th, and the soloists will be former D'Oyly Carte Opera Company stars Michael Rayner as Captain Corcoran and Jean Hindmarsh as Josephine. This will be included in our lecture, "Gilbert & Sullivan Rarities: Music From The Cutting Room Floor" at 3 p.m. in the Paxton Theatre. We are grateful to the following members of SavoyNet who have assisted us with aspects of our research: Ralph MacPhail, Jr., Eric Schwartz, Thomas Z. Shepard, Marc Shepherd, and Michael Walters. BRUCE I. MILLER HELGA J. PERRY 15 April 1999 Helga Perry sharkli@btinternet.com *********************************************** Music Department University of Birmingham  1,, Summary-line: 15-Apr oakapple2@yahoo.com #The Pinafore Discovery Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA01453; Thu, 15 Apr 99 08:51:12 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19614; Thu, 15 Apr 99 08:52:12 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id IAA26761; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19990415124040.29610.rocketmail@web130.yahoomail.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: The Pinafore Discovery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: The Pinafore Discovery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Helga's & Bruce's joint announcement outlined the basic facts about the "lost song" from H.M.S. PINAFORE, "Reflect, my child," that they have discovered. I would add some "reflections" of my own. There are very few substantial musical passages from the Savoy Operas that remain, conceivably, to be discovered. Aside from practically the whole of THESPIS, there are just a few more numbers that we may hope eventually to find. It is also possible that no more will ever be found. This is, in other words, a special occasion, particularly given the importance of H.M.S. PINAFORE in the history of Gilbert and Sullivan. I would even say, without at all detracting from our debt to Selwyn Tillett and Roderick Spencer, that this discovery trumps that of the THESPIS ballet earlier this decade. As an aside, I believe that SavoyNet can take some slight credit, even if only indirectly, for this discovery. It was through SavoyNet that Bruce & Helga first became acquainted and started to work on on researching the opera. I doubt that very many listeners will judge "Reflect, my child" to be one of Gilbert & Sullivan's finer creations. Some of the music's unusual harmonic elements elevate it above the merely mundane, but it does not seem consistently inspired (even allowing, as we must, that Bruce and Helga have only *guessed* at the melodic line). Perhaps even more significant, Gilbert's verses seem labored and preachy. Beyond these concerns, one may reasonably doubt whether the score wants a slow drawing-room ballad at this juncture of the plot's development. Still, *any* lost number from the Savoy Operas is of great interest. We learn as much from what Gilbert and Sullivan chose to omit, as from what they chose to retain. Bruce's & Helga's careful and sensitive reconstruction gives us a window into our heroes' creative process. And, despite my reservations about the song's suitability, I have to admit that it has grown on me. In time, I hope to see it in a full production of PINAFORE, so that we can experience what it would have been like had the number not been cut. It's a pity that such news cannot be spread at web-speed. The discovery was made last summer, and it will not be till this coming summer (at Buxton) that it will finally be heard in public with the original orchestration (or, as close to the original as we are likely to get). I urge as many of you as possible to attend Bruce's & Helga's presentation this summer at Buxton. Besides hearing a heretofore unknown number from H.M.S. PINAFORE, you'll be treated to a fascinating G&S detective story. === Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com  1,, Summary-line: 16-Apr hriswebster@ndirect.co.uk #LAUNCH of CONTRABANDISTA / CHIEFTAIN CDs Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09377; Fri, 16 Apr 99 11:06:02 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20485; Fri, 16 Apr 99 11:07:02 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA11492; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <001201be8818$2e1567e0$237efea9@apricot> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: chriswebster@ndirect.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Chris Webster" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: LAUNCH of CONTRABANDISTA / CHIEFTAIN CDs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu id LAA11492 *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: chriswebster@ndirect.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Chris Webster" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: LAUNCH of CONTRABANDISTA / CHIEFTAIN CDs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu id LAA11492 Dear All, Further to my earlier messages about the Prince Consort recordings of Sullivan's The Contrabandista of 1867 and its 1894 reincarnation as The Chieftain, I am pleased to announce that Alan Borthwick (a Director of Prince Consort) has now given the OK for the issue of this wonderful 2 CD set and it is now officially launched. I have just come back from the post office having sent out a large batch = of these to the people who placed pre-release orders, and general orders are now very welcome. If you don't already know the music of these operas then you are in for a real treat. If you do know the music then this is probably the first cha= nce you will have to hear pretty good recordings of each. As previously mentioned The Contrabandista was available for a very short time (one day I believe) at a SASS gathering, and this Chieftain recordin= g has never been released before. (What never? No absolutely, totally and utterly NEVER !!). Please do not mistake these great Prince Consort recordings for some of the poor private recordings by other companies whi= ch have been available in the past. You will have no qualms about the sound quality of these recordings. They were professionally recorded and sound great. To US netters: don't forget that I am also handling copies of the UK vers= ion of the BBC Music Magazine with the complete Rose of Persia as the double = CD cover discs, (only a highlights disc will be included with the US version= ) and I can either post this to you together with your Contra/Chief set or = I can just send the BBC mag and CDs on their own.. If you want a copy of R= OSE please email me before sending your order (subject line: I WANT ROSE) jus= t to be sure that I still have copies. That's it for now, prices and ordering details are set out below, so get your chequebooks out and look forward to hearing some smashing music with= in the next few days. Regards Chris Chris Webster "Sounds on CD" Prices for ... 1. Just the Contrabandista / Chieftain CDs (UK and US), 2. The Contra/Chief CDs AND the Rose of Persia CDs and mag (US only), or 3. JUST the Rose of Persia CDs and mag (US only). 1. If you wish to purchase JUST The Contrabandista and The Chieftain dou= ble CD set, then the cost for UK customers is =A322.50, and the cost for US customers is $40 (US) or =A323.50 (sterling) 2. If US netters wish to order both the Contra/Chief set and the BBC Ros= e set (and mag) then the cost will be $52.50 (US) or =A331.00 (sterling). = If however, you have already sent in your order for the C/C set but you woul= d still like to add Rose to your order then all you need to do is to send a second cheque for $12.50 or =A37.50. 3. If, for some absolutely inexplicable reason, US netters want to miss = out on the fabulous music of The Contrabandista and The Chieftain and would j= ust like to purchase the BBC Rose set (and mag) then the cost will be $15.00 (US) or =A39 (sterling). To order: If you wish to pay by sterling cheque, please make your cheque payable to 'Chris Webster' and send it direct to me - Chris Webster 'Sounds on CD' Victoria House 228 B High Street CROYDON Surrey CR0 1NF ENGLAND If you wish to pay by US dollar check, please make your check payable to 'Richard N Freedman' and send it to - Richard Freedman 89 Staniford St Apt 7 Auburndale MA 02466 - 1128 USA Please remember to include your return address. I may as well just add that my other CDs are still available and may be ordered along with the above. These are- HMS Pinafore (1922/23 - =A315 / $26) Patience (1921 - =A315 / $26) The Mikado (1938 film soundtrack - =A310 / $17) Merrie England (1918 & 1931 =96 DOUBLE CD set =A315 / $26) Seven discs of George 'It's Turned Out Nice Again' Formby rarities from studio, film, radio and stage. (each disc - =A39 UK / $17 (=A310) US) (full listings available on reques= t)  1, forwarded,, Summary-line: 16-Apr harben@engin.umich.edu #Lexicon third edition Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA00928; Fri, 16 Apr 99 15:39:28 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06850; Fri, 16 Apr 99 15:39:19 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA20915; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: harben@engin.umich.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Harry Benford To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Lexicon third edition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: harben@engin.umich.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Harry Benford To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Lexicon third edition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Some of you have asked how to obtain copies of the just-published second edition of The Gilbert & Sullivan Lexicon. It is available from The Queensbury Press/13507 Queensbury Lane/Houston TX 77079-6017/USA. The basic price (before S&H) is $25.95 (US dollars), $38.95 (Canadian dollars), or 15.95 in pounds sterling. Shipping & handling charges for single book: To US destinations: surface: $2.50, air: $5.00 To Canadian destinations: surface: US$2.70 (Can$4.00),air: US$5.35 (Can$8.00) To UK or other overseas: surface: US$4.25 (3.60 pounds), air: US$10.25 (6.60 pounds). Performing groups may want to place bulk orders (10 or more books to a single destination): For US destinations: $18.20 per book including S&H. For Canadian destinations: US$18.50 (or Can$27.75) per book including S&H. For overseas destinations: Contact Maloneatqueensburypress.com. If you already own the second edition, let me assure you the third edition has plenty of new and juicy details you'll not want to miss. Harry Benford  1,, Summary-line: 16-Apr rnf@mailsrv1.mitre.org #Re: Harry Benford: Lexicon 3rd edition Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19648; Fri, 16 Apr 99 16:25:20 EDT Received: from mbunix.mitre.org by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14448; Fri, 16 Apr 99 16:26:19 EDT Received: from FUZZY (fuzzy.mitre.org [129.83.20.83]) by mbunix.mitre.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26058; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rfreedman.mitre.org (129.83.66.130) by fuzzy.mitre.org with SMTP id 830261; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:25:06 EST Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990416162612.007c24a0@mailsrv1.mitre.org> X-Sender: rnf@mailsrv1.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:26:12 -0400 To: rac@bu.edu (Rebecca A. Consentino), Mahoney.Carol@epamail.epa.gov (Carol Mahoney), dsmith@umassd.edu (J. Donald Smith), klb@cybercom.net (Katherine Bryant), mlcar@MIT.EDU, caqsey@email.msn.com (Patricia Brewer), plburst@elensys.com (Phil Burstein), GAMAREX@aol.com (Sheldon Hochman) From: rnf@mailsrv1.mitre.org (Richard N. Freedman) Subject: Re: Harry Benford: Lexicon 3rd edition Cc: opus@MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: rnf@mailsrv1.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:26:12 -0400 To: rac@bu.edu (Rebecca A. Consentino), Mahoney.Carol@epamail.epa.gov (Carol Mahoney), dsmith@umassd.edu (J. Donald Smith), klb@cybercom.net (Katherine Bryant), mlcar@MIT.EDU, caqsey@email.msn.com (Patricia Brewer), plburst@elensys.com (Phil Burstein), GAMAREX@aol.com (Sheldon Hochman) From: rnf@mailsrv1.mitre.org (Richard N. Freedman) Subject: Re: Harry Benford: Lexicon 3rd edition Cc: opus@MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think we can definitely get enough requests to qualify as a bulk order, especially since NEGASS ought to have a few on hand for door prizes, and perhaps for gifts for honored guests or performers. But distributing them, when they have all arrived at a single address, will be nontrivial. I'll put together something for the next Bray (unless somebody else wants to volunteer). Similarly, I will undertake to receive and distribute them, unless somebody else wants to volunteer. At 03:52 PM 4/16/99 -0400, Rebecca A. Consentino wrote: >David Jedlinsky raises a question that I believe we may have mentioned >among ourselves in the past... Any opinions? > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:48:28 -0400 >From: "David C. Jedlinsky" >To: rac@bu.edu >Subject: [Harry Benford: Lexicon third edition] >Would NEGASS want to place a bulk order? >From: Harry Benford >...the just-published ... >edition of The Gilbert & Sullivan Lexicon. It is available from The >Queensbury Press/13507 Queensbury Lane/Houston TX 77079-6017/USA. > >The basic price (before S&H) is $25.95 (US dollars), $38.95 (Canadian >dollars), or 15.95 in pounds sterling. > >Shipping & handling charges for single book: > >To US destinations: surface: $2.50, air: $5.00 > >Performing groups may want to place bulk orders (10 or more books to a >single destination): > >For US destinations: $18.20 per book including S&H. > >If you already own the second edition, let me assure you the third edition >has plenty of new and juicy details you'll not want to miss. > >Harry Benford >  1,, Summary-line: 17-Apr BMILLER@holycross.edu #"Reflect, My Child" Announcement: Thanks and Clarifications Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26573; Sat, 17 Apr 99 22:04:43 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14855; Sat, 17 Apr 99 22:04:34 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id WAA13401; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: BMILLER@holycross.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bruce I. Miller" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: "Reflect, My Child" Announcement: Thanks and Clarifications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: BMILLER@holycross.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bruce I. Miller" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: "Reflect, My Child" Announcement: Thanks and Clarifications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Helga and I would like to thank all of you who have shared in our excitement over the past few days. We thought we had something significant to disclose, but Marc is right: neither of us expected the intensity of interest the media showed. The media attention indicates that there is still a healthy interest by the public in G & S, beyond that of a mere cult following, and we hope this event will have served to stir up renewed interest generally. We are dazed, but happy. We thought this might be an opportunity to clarify some points which have been raised in the recent publicity. 1. Neil Midkiff wrote about the CBS radio feed in which it was suggested that we are supposed to have recovered "75 percent" of the vocal lines. It is difficult, if not impossible, to quantify (via a percentage) in a sound bite a complex discovery and reconstruction. The criteria used to reduce the results in that way can be variable and difficult to define. In other words, do we go by number of measures, number of notes, and/or the duration of the notes? Also, in the case of "Reflect, my child" there is a refrain for which there are *two* vocal lines. Helga and I have reflected on the CBS interview, and we would suggest to Neil and all of you that our initial announcement explained the situation best. A substantial portion of the original vocal lines can be confirmed with certainly or near certainty in the following places: a) The entire refrain, which is about twice as long as that of the Duke's song in Patience. The melodic line (Josephine's) and the harmony line (The Captain's) are quite obviously shadowed in the orchestral accompaniment and there is little room for a significant variant reconstruction. b) The final phrase of the verse is also strongly confirmed, first by the octave scoring in the strings which most probably doubled the Captain's melody, and at the end of the phrase by voice cues in two band parts. The remainder of the verse has had to be reconstructed from the context provided by the orchestration, which does not contain much melodic material. 2. During the question/answer session following the presentation at the Society for Textual Scholarship on Thursday, a woman asked me a question concerning how much input we received from performers when "rehearsing" a reconstruction. I didn't follow her completely at the time, but subsequently realized that what she really wanted to know was: did we seek or receive input from performing musicians in preparing such a reconstruction. I did mention in answering that we always Beta-test a new edition such as Trial By Jury, and in fact would be undergoing such an operation this summer in England with the TBJ band parts (as we did at Holy Cross a year and a half ago with the vocal score). However, I could also have mentioned that in the case of Helga's and mine, we are both experienced performers: I was trained as a singer and organist as well as a conductor, Helga is a percussionist and double bassist, so we are both well aware of the performing issues. Most musicologists have some performing experience, but it is probably fair to say that we are more engaged in that way than many. In addition, we have had the input of the singers and pianist (who is also a respected coach) when preparing the demonstration tape played at the STS, and we have actively encouraged feedback and suggestions from the artists who will be performing the music at Buxton. We hope this assists in the understanding of what we have done. Bruce I. Miller bmiller@holycross.edu  1,, Summary-line: 19-Apr mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: 14 Biblical Ways to Get a Wife Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19732; Mon, 19 Apr 99 13:05:15 EDT Received: from relay5.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20223; Mon, 19 Apr 99 13:06:10 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay5.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10ZHTn-0001ij-00; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:05:07 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2VT2LFXJ>; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:04:57 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: 14 Biblical Ways to Get a Wife Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:04:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: 14 Biblical Ways to Get a Wife Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:04:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products > > Traditional Family Values: > > > > The Top 14 Biblical Ways to Get a Wife > > > > 1. Find an attractive prisoner of war, bring her home, shave her > > head, trim her nails, and give her new clothes. Then she's yours. > > - (Deuteronomy 21:11-13) > > > > 2. Find a prostitute and marry her. - (Hosea 1:1-3) > > > > 3. Find a man with seven daughters, and impress him by watering > > his flock. - (Moses in Exoodus 2:16-21) > > > > 4. Purchase a piece of property, and get a woman as part of the > > deal. - (Boaz in Ruth 4:5-10) > > > > 5. Go to a party and hide. When the women come out to dance, > > grab one and carry her off to be your wife. - (Benjaminites in > > Judges 21:19-25) > > > > 6. Have God create a wife for you while you sleep. Note: this > > will cost you. - (Adam in Genesis 2:19-24) > > > > 7. Agree to work seven years in exchange for a woman's hand in > > marriage. Get tricked into marrying the wrong woman. Then work > > another seven years for the woman you wanted to marry in the > > first place. That's right. Fourteen years of toil for a wife. - > > (Jacob in Genesis 29:15-30) > > > > 8. Cut 200 foreskins off of your future father-in-law's enemies > > and get his daughter for a wife - (David in I Samuel 18:27) > > > > 9. Even if no one is out there, just wander around a bit and > > you'll definitely find someone. (It's all relative, of course.) - > > (Cain in Genesis 4:16-17) > > > > 10. Become the emperor of a huge nation and hold a beauty > > contest. - (Xerxes or Ahasuerus in Esther 2:3-4) > > > > 11. When you see someone you like, go home and tell your > > parents, "I have seen a ... woman; now get her for me." If your > > parents question your decision, simply say, "Get her for me. > > She's the one for me." - (Samson in Judges 14:1-) > > > > 12. Kill any husband and take HIS wife (Prepare to lose four > > sons, though). - (David in II Samuel 11) > > > > 13. Wait for your brother to die. Take his widow. (It's not > > just a good idea; it's the law.) - (Onana and Boaz in Deuteronomy > > or Leviticus, example in Ruth) > > > > 14. Don't be so picky. Make up for quality with quantity. - > > (Solomon in I Kings 11:1-3) > > >> > > > > * * * * * * * * * * > Susan Poliniak > spoliniak@mindspring.com >  1,, Summary-line: 21-Apr jhenle@neal.smith.edu #Trial by Congress Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24327; Wed, 21 Apr 99 17:12:10 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01747; Wed, 21 Apr 99 17:12:05 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA09730; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <371E3935.70F510BC@math.smith.edu> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: jhenle@neal.smith.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jim Henle To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Trial by Congress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.34 i586) *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: jhenle@neal.smith.edu Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jim Henle To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Trial by Congress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.34 i586) To all Savoyards: I've written new words to Trial by Jury. The title is TRIAL BY CONGRESS Dramatis Personae: SPEAKER of the House. Baritone PRIME MINISTER of some foreign country. Soprano CHAIR of the Judiciary Committee. Tenor PRESIDENT of the United States. Tenor Majority WHIP. Bass DOORMAN. Baritone HOUSE MEMBERS. Men's chorus REPORTERS. Women's chorus This is a political farce. It will remind you of the impeachment scandal, but significant details have been changed to produce a show that is funny rather than sordid. The words have been written so that (I hope) Sullivan's music can be used with only minor modifications. I will send it to anyone who is interested. Permission to reproduce it and perform it is freely given. Let me reiterate: this is family entertainment. There is not one word which is calculated to bring the blush of shame to the cheek of modesty. Jim Henle Northampton, Massachusetts jhenle@math.smith.edu  1,, Summary-line: 22-Apr mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: USEFUL SAYINGS AT THE OFFICE Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16824; Thu, 22 Apr 99 11:09:27 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22705; Thu, 22 Apr 99 11:09:21 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10aL6J-0007iW-00; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:09:16 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:09:11 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: USEFUL SAYINGS AT THE OFFICE Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:09:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: USEFUL SAYINGS AT THE OFFICE Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:09:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Lavina strikes again... @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > >1. Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point > of > >view. > > > >2. The fact that no one understands you doesn't means you're an > artist. > > > >3. I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to > >pronounce. > > > >4. Any connection between your reality and mine is purely > coincidental. > > > >5. I have plenty of talent and vision. I just don't give a damn. > > > >6. I like you. You remind me of when I was young and stupid. > > > >7. What am I ? Flypaper for freaks ? > > > >8. I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant. > > > >9. I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth. > > > >10. Ahhhh...I see the fuck-up fairy has visited us again.... > > > >11. I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you. > > > >12. It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off. > > > >13. Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely > ceremonial. > > > >14. No, my powers can only be used for good. > > > >15. How about never ? Is never good for you ? > > > >16. I'm really easy to get along with once people learn to worship > me. > > > >17. You sound reasonable...Time to up my medication. > > > >18. I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter. > > > >19. I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message... > > > >20. I don't work here. I'm a consultant. > > > >21. Who me ? I just wander from room to room. > > > >22. My toys ! My toys ! I can't do this job without my toys ! > > > >23. It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level > I'm > >really quite busy. > > > >24. At least I have a positive attitude about my destructive habits. > > > >25. You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers. > > > >26. I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in > >public. > > > >27. Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the > >subject. > > > > > > > > >  1,, Summary-line: 23-Apr cjsmith@MIT.EDU #phone numbers Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21100; Fri, 23 Apr 99 14:02:01 EDT Received: from BUZZWORD-BINGO.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20254; Fri, 23 Apr 99 14:02:00 EDT Received: by buzzword-bingo.mit.edu (8.8.7/4.7) id OAA00346; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904231801.OAA00346@buzzword-bingo.mit.edu> To: dinner@MIT.EDU, marymary@suberic.net, jhango@suberic.net Subject: phone numbers Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:01:57 EDT From: CarolYN J Smith *** EOOH *** To: dinner@MIT.EDU, marymary@suberic.net, jhango@suberic.net Subject: phone numbers Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:01:57 EDT From: CarolYN J Smith Just to let people know, all my various phone numbers as of now. Home: 617-628-0406 MGH: 617-726-4796 Brandeis: 781-736-4939 In general I'm at MGH M-Th and Brandeis Fri (and occasionally Sa-Su). --cyn  1,, Summary-line: 25-Apr oakapple@cris.com #The Gilbert and Sullivan Lexicon, 3rd Edn. Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10234; Sun, 25 Apr 99 00:39:42 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13791; Sun, 25 Apr 99 00:39:43 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id AAA10842; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <372298FD.A7BA3827@cris.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple@cris.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: The Gilbert and Sullivan Lexicon, 3rd Edn. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu id AAA10842 *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: oakapple@cris.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: The Gilbert and Sullivan Lexicon, 3rd Edn. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu id AAA10842 I returned home last night to find the 3rd Edition of Harry Benford's "Th= e Gilbert and Sullivan Lexicon" awaiting me. I fell in love with this book = when I bought the 1st Edition in 1978. By 1991, Harry and I were on close enough= terms that he gave me the opportunity to comment on a pre-publication draft of = the 2nd Edition, as well as on some 50 new or substantially revised items added t= o the 3rd. I cannot claim to be entirely impartial. Nevertheless, the success of this book over the last two decades speaks f= or itself. How many G&S books can you think of, aside from those by Gilbert himself, that have had a substantive third edition? It would not be a lon= g list. It speaks to the book's popularity that Harry printed what he thought wer= e enough copies of the 2nd Edition to last a decade, but he ran out in just= four years. Lucky for all of us, Harry did not rest on his laurels, and he has= put out a 3rd Edition that improves on the first two. In case you have not seen Harry's book in either of its first two incarna= tions, it is a detailed reference book of terms from the operas that modern read= ers might find obscure. There is a chapter for each opera. Within each opera,= the terms are listed in the order that they are found in the libretto. COX AN= D BOX and THE ZOO are tacked on the end. There is an index, in case you are cur= ious about a specific term but cannot recall where in the canon it is mentione= d. There is a pronunciation guide for words where this is not obvious. In mo= st cases, the phrase in which the term appears in the opera is shown in brac= kets, although the book isn't consistent about this. The Lexicon is not merely a "dictionary." In the discussion of the "Empre= ss Josephine," for example (PATIENCE, p. 74), it might be be sufficient to n= ote that she was the first wife of Napoleon Bonaparte. But, why does Gilbert = bother to mention her? In the 2nd Edition, the answer to this question troubled = Benford for eight lines; in the 3rd Edition, it is now twenty-nine lines. In the discussion of "Thessalian" (THESPIS, p. 11), the 2nd Edition menti= oned that it pertained to Thessaly, a region of Greece, and Benford thought th= at Gilbert chose it because it goes well with "Theatres." In the 3rd, he now= notes that the word means "treacherous," and that there really is/was a theatre= in that place. A bit of searching found at least one definition that has been shortened: "Asinorum pons" (UTOPIA LIMITED, p. 194). Such an example was not easy to= find, so there must not be very many cases where this was done. A comparison of= the two did not reveal a clear reason why Harry decided to tell us less about= this term, although what remains is clearly more than adequate. As was the case in the 2nd Edition, the book is liberally festooned with Benford's own drawings. Some of them illustrate the defined terms; others= are there simply because they are amusing. The chapter on THE MIKADO, for exa= mple, sports Benford illustrations of a "buffer" and a "finger stall." But, pic= tures of Nanki-Poo dancing merrily with a second trombone, and of a singularly = ugly woman captioned "an acquired taste," seem to be just comic relief. The pi= cture of a "Marine Parade," by the way, is much more attractively reproduced th= an in the 2nd Edition, and now has a much-needed caption (p. 117 in either edit= ion). The definitions are calibrated to the American reader, so there are some = terms defined, such as "tuppence," that would be obvious to just about any Brit= ish reader. But, Benford certainly does not shirk from defining the many Gilb= ertian terms that would be obscure to just about anybody. Benford is not the fir= st author who has written a G&S Dictionary, but I believe it is universally acknowledged that no one else has done it as well.=20 It is difficult immediately to tell what has been added. The two books ar= e roughly the same size, and the total number of pages per opera is within = a page or two of the 2nd Edition. However, there is a bit more writing per page,= which is how the additional material has been squeezed in. One thing immediatel= y apparent is that the quality of the typography has improved, and the book= is now in hardcover; this is particularly welcome for a book that one surely wil= l dip into countless times over a period of many years. One indication of the amount of added material, is the fact that the numb= er of cited references has ballooned from 208 to 326. The Introduction to the 2= nd Edition said that "nearly twenty-five hundred" words and phrases were cov= ered. The new Introduction says that it is "some twenty-six hundred." To give an idea of what has been changed/added, I thought it would be wor= thwhile to do a detailed tally for the shortest G&S opera, TRIAL BY JURY: -- The following terms are newly added: Defendant, Plaintiff, Damages, Pleadings, Rover, Cad, Collar, Third-class journeys, Mob, Posies, Substan= tial Damages, Submission, Attorneys, Shelf, Snob -- The following terms have expanded/improved definitions: Usher, Assoc= iate, Barrister, Edwin/Angelina, Subpoena, Court of the Exchequer, Pecker, Tink-a-tank, Pluck, Middlesex Sessions, Gurneys, Incubus, Fudge, Passing = fair, Camberwell, Peckham, Otto, Perjured, Tether. (I saw a number of others th= at have been reworded for clarity without adding any new information; I didn't in= clude them in this list.) So, why did these terms need revising? There's a wide variety of reasons.= The definition of "Barrister," for example, had simply become obsolete, due t= o a change in the British legal system that took effect in 1990. For "perjure= d," the 2nd Edition advised us that the word refers to telling a lie. For the 3rd= , Benford adds that a "perjured lover" is, hence, an unfaithful lover. The change to "pecker" is somewhat unusual. Benford replaces a number of disparate references with a single reference to a letter that Queen Victo= ria wrote to one of her daughters, and drops the 2nd Edition's mention of Gil= bert's use of the word in one of the Bab Ballads. In this case, the purpose of t= he revision is not so clear. The expanded discussion of the names Edwin and Angelina is an excellent e= xample of why the book is so useful. The casual reader would not, perhaps, think= that these names need any explanation at all--they are just the given names of= two characters. But, Gilbert chose them for a purpose. The 2nd Edition noted = that this was a traditional pairing of lovers' names, dating back to a 1764 po= em by Oliver Goldsmith. The 3rd Edition adds the name of the poem: "The Hermit,= or Edwin and Angelina." Spot-checking suggested that the revision of the other operas is just as far-reaching. I also note that cross-references to other chapters are now= much more thorough. The wealth of background added to terms defined in the pre= vious editions is most gratifying. I always felt that Benford was fearful of te= lling us too much, and some of the definitions still show signs of this. But, h= e seems to have finally decided that readers generally want to know more, not les= s. One thing that certainly *has not* changed is the book's sense of fun. Ev= en the most difficult definitions are written in an informal style and never com= e across as pedantic lectures. At the same time, Benford "justly claim[s] t= hat what follows is a scholarly exposition." He adds: "My background studies = have been exhaustive, I have subjected my manuscripts to the scrutiny of real = experts in the Gilbert and Sullivan world, and I have carefully cited my many sou= rces of information." It is a model from which we can all learn. As in the first two editions, there are major illustrations throughout by= former D'Oyly Carte principal tenor Geoffrey Shovelton. The new cover illustrati= on shows Gilbert writing some verses, while Sullivan sits at his side readin= g a copy of Benford's 2nd Edition (whose cover Shovelton *also* did). There i= s a new foreword by Kenneth Sandford, replacing the old (and largely irrelevant) = one by Isaac Asimov. Sandford himself is introduced by Roberta orrell. How do you get the book? Write to The Queensbury Press, 13505 Queensbury = Lane, Houston, Texas 77079-6017. The price is: To U.S. destinations: $25.95 + $2.50 P&H To Canadian destinations: $25.95 + $2.70 P&H OR CAN$38.95 + CAN$4.00 P&H To U.K. destinations =A315.95 + =A33.60 P&H to U.K. destinations --=20 Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com  1,, Summary-line: 26-Apr oris@interlog.com #Millennium Singout question Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21745; Mon, 26 Apr 99 02:38:32 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01640; Mon, 26 Apr 99 02:38:28 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id CAA19997; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990426021702.0087a100@mail.interlog.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oris@interlog.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ori Siegel To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Millennium Singout question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: oris@interlog.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ori Siegel To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Millennium Singout question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Fellow 'Netters, Many, many thanks to the several folks who have offerred advice, assistance, criticism (constructive, btw; always welcome) and general words of encouragement. One topic that keeps coming up, and which seems to draw the strongest opinions, is that of performing the various scores complete or with cuts. The arguments go thus: The purpose of a singout seems to be the performance of the ENTIRE canon. Several 'Netters have said that they would like to do every note. One 'Netter stated that if he was going to spend 16 hours doing 98% of the canon, he'd just as soon spend 18 hours doing 100%. Others have pointed out the fact that not every note that Sullivan wrote and every word that Gilbert penned is great. Given this along with the repetitious nature of some choruses and the fact that the singout will likely end in the wee hours of Sunday morning, they go on to state that it would be wise to employ some judicious cuts. One person suggested that about 7 or 8 hours could be cut from GD without losing the story line, but I think she might have been exagerating just a tad. We have not yet given serious discussion to this aspect of the singout. We were going to wait for "sponsorships", that is, companies which bring their productions (w/o sets, costumes and dialogue, of course) and act as the core group for some of the shows. One suggestion was made that we sing the complete St. Pat's Players restoration of Thespis. After some consideration it was clear that this would be impractical due to the availability of scores (though I believe a number are still available - I'll check if anyone's interested) and the fact that most of the music selection is conjectural. We WILL be performing the extant numbers from Thespis, a singout first I'm told. Singing the full score of all works including Thespis would bring us up to about 4a.m. Sunday. Frankly, I'd like to have a little sleep before the brunch. The organizing committee would like some guidance on this. Should we insist on FULL scores or should we encourage cuts? What do you think? Please feel free to respond with your thoughts on this and/or on any other aspect of the singout. Some really good ideas have been suggested - we can't think of EVERYTHING, after all! BTW, the web page should be up and running by late May or early June. It will eventually have links to all kinds of Toronto and regional attractions, alternative lodgings (campsites, b&bs, elderhostel, etc.) and whatever we feel might be useful in planning a trip. A downloadable, mail-in application form will be available. We will be publishing a brochure which we plan to distribute in early January, 2000. This will put it out to the world in time for everyone's winter and spring season. I would ask that 'Netters NOT ask for brochures for themselves since all pertinent information will be on the web page. However, if you can distribute brochures at your local productions, please ask for a supply of them. ***IMPORTANT ITEMS TO CONSIDER*** 1. We're planning on doing things a little differently from Rockville. The theatre seats about 245 on three sides of a thrust stage. We will have a piano on the stage and extra chairs to bring the total available seats up to about 300. All participants will face the piano and conductor with the soloists facing out towards the audience (you, the participants). As we are anticipating strong local participation and a really good showing from out of town, we will likely have to restrict theatre access to the registered attendees ONLY. In other words, we do not anticipate an outside audience. Now this may all change depending upon the response to the singout (registrations), but for the time being, this is the plan. As with other aspects, we are open to comments from prospective attendees. 2. The editions used at the singout will be, to the best of our ability, standardised. We want to make the event go as smoothly as possible and we hope that this will help. I've had several comments about this. We've discussed arranging "loaner" copies of scores, especially of the more obscure works (or as one wag whose initials are D.C. put it, "Utopia, Grand Duke and Pinafore..."). This has been mentioned but we're not sure how that's going to go over with the local groups who have multiple copies on hand. For the most part, we will have to assume that there will be enough copies of everything so that all can at least share. We are going to try to arrange bulk purchases of scores if preordered by attendees, but this is just a matter of discussion right now. More on all of this later. 3. The committee is still open to suggestions for a name other than "The Millennium Singout" but we'll have to make a decision by mid-May. Send in those suggestions! Selection will be made by a totally biased jury comprised of the committee members and chaired by moi! I've use up a lot of bandwidth and I can't think of anything else right now. Keep those letters coming! cheers, Ori VA3ORI Toronto, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------------------------- ****Toronto: the place to be in August, 2000!**** ***The Millennium G&S Singout; August 18-19-20*** -------------------------------------------------  1, answered,, Summary-line: 26-Apr jtidwell@inconcert.com #Mayday hike up Monadnock Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18682; Mon, 26 Apr 99 10:49:54 EDT Received: from Portal.XAIT.Xerox.COM by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18856; Mon, 26 Apr 99 10:49:48 EDT Received: from inconcert.com (Rosebud.XAIT.Xerox.COM [13.232.16.32]) by Portal.XAIT.Xerox.COM (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11849; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inconcert.com by inconcert.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA18405; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:49:39 -0400 Message-Id: <37247CE4.ABCC7AC8@inconcert.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:49:08 -0400 From: Jenifer Tidwell Reply-To: jtidwell@inconcert.com Organization: InConcert, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: everyone@inconcert.com Subject: Mayday hike up Monadnock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:49:08 -0400 From: Jenifer Tidwell Reply-To: jtidwell@inconcert.com Organization: InConcert, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: everyone@inconcert.com Subject: Mayday hike up Monadnock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This Saturday, weather permitting, I'm planning to hike up Mount Monadnock. I would welcome company -- if you feel like you can make it up the mountain and enjoy it, please come! We can meet there at a trailhead, or we can carpool, whichever you like. Maybe we can start an annual tradition. :-) (Yes, I know this is the day before the Walk for Hunger, but the spring hiking season is so short; the ice is finally gone, but the blackflies and heat haven't really started yet!) Details: Monadnock is in southern New Hampshire, and is the most-frequently-climbed mountain in this region, due to its accessibility, good trails, and fantastic views. There are several trail options of varying difficulty, but most of them are 2-3 hours up, 1-2 hours down, for a total of 4-6 miles. From the parking lot to the summit, it's 1800 feet of elevation. The trails are rocky and some parts may take some careful scrambling. (Wear hiking boots, NOT sneakers!) The snow and ice is gone by now, according to a trail report this past weekend, but the summit will be cold regardless. I'm planning to start in the morning, hitting the trail around 9:00 AM, so that we can get back to Boston by 4:00 or 5:00. I tend to hike slowly, with stops for lunch and nice views, so while climbing 1800 feet is a workout however you do it, don't expect this to be a race to the summit. :-) For more hiking info, see http://qcc.mass.edu/brink/qcc/monadtr.html - Jenifer  1,, Summary-line: 26-Apr cmajor@merchantsmgmt.com # Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23940; Mon, 26 Apr 99 12:05:29 EDT Received: from administrator.merchantsmgmt.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17613; Mon, 26 Apr 99 12:05:23 EDT Received: by NT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <106SQNL3>; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:11:48 -0400 Message-Id: <919508F09879D211BC6800C0F0164FE402D8F9@NT> From: Cindy Major To: David Subject: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:11:47 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Cindy Major Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: Cindy Major To: David Subject: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:11:47 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Cindy Major Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey bro- What's up in the North? When are you going to visit us again? Dad is coming down May 7-15. FYI- Gram is going back for more testing on her eye. Remember she had the cancer removed in February? Well, she has been blind in that eye since the surgery and apparently it turned yellow because it is full of blood. Her local eye doctor said that it was a detached retina and that she should have it removed. She was ok with that because as it is now, she has so much care involved with the eye it's a nuisance. But, her surgeon at Emory said he wasn't so sure if it was her retina and she goes back to Emory tomorrow for an ultrasound. So, maybe you want to give her a call tonight? Or, you could wait until Wednesday and see what the result of her doctor appointment is. I am meeting her and Susan and Aunt Shirley for lunch tomorrow. Anyway, Robert and I painted the downstairs this weekend. That pink was really getting on our nerves. It looks good so far. We are putting up a wallpaper border this weekend. You need to come see our slate patio, too. It looks nice. The dogs say hi. How are your varmits? Is everyone healthy? Say hi to Ruth and tell her thanks for the Jake flyer. Unfortunately, I don't think it'll get much in Mableton. Perhaps I'll take it to Furniture City. Hee Hee. Bye! Cinders  1,, Summary-line: 26-Apr hriswebster@ndirect.co.uk #BBCx excuse for Rose highlights only CD Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12763; Mon, 26 Apr 99 15:01:58 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13213; Mon, 26 Apr 99 15:01:55 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA07388; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <002e01be9016$a9d45de0$1be5fea9@apricot> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: chriswebster@ndirect.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Chris Webster" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: BBCx excuse for Rose highlights only CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: chriswebster@ndirect.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Chris Webster" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: BBCx excuse for Rose highlights only CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 A new corespondent, Shakira Searle, recently communicated with me with regard to my offer to help overseas netters acquire the complete set of Rose CD as opposed to the highlights only version which accompanies the non-US issues. I found one of her communications of great interest and gained her permission to send it to the list, as I am sure you will be interested to hear what the Beeb has to say. > Thank you for your prompt reply to my enquiry regarding 'Rose of Persia.' I >actually managed to get in touch with someone at the magazine's editorial >office, who informed me that the reason for their shipping highlight CDs with >all international releases was to avoid the costs and perils of shipping a >double CD pack. I can appreciate their position, but why they didn't just use >the "slimline" double packs (no bigger than a regular single-CD case, but hold >two - I assume they're not just an Australian thing?), is beyond my >comprehension. My reply to Shakira was really a general comment on the above statement >I'm sorry to say this, but that is a load of rubbish. The complete Rose CDs >ARE in slimline double cases as you suggest and cannot possibly any be more >perilous than a single disc. As for the cost I can't really see that the >extra weight of one little disc is going to make that much difference. What >are the Beeb up to coming out with excuses like this?? There was a happy ending in this instance as Shakira concluded - >the editor's assistant has very kindly agreed to send me >out a copy of the complete recording, which solves the problem nicely. C.  1,, Summary-line: 26-Apr edmund@MIT.EDU #Re: Paying IPNH: Tax or SS number? Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16429; Mon, 26 Apr 99 15:09:09 EDT Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA27446; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [18.70.1.32] (RCA-1.MIT.EDU [18.70.1.32]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA13219; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: edmund@MIT.EDU Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904261901.PAA21157@charon.MIT.EDU> References: edmund@MIT.EDU's message of Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:39:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:09:30 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Paying IPNH: Tax or SS number? *** EOOH *** From: edmund@MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <199904261901.PAA21157@charon.MIT.EDU> References: edmund@MIT.EDU's message of Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:39:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:09:30 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Paying IPNH: Tax or SS number? David, I'm not a tax lawyer, but my understanding is that if you were selling them only "merchandise", then this wouldn't be an issue. But you are receiving $ for making the copies of the tapes, which is essentially labor, and constitutes personal income. Yes, you will receive a 1099 form, if your total payments are over $600 for the year (I think!) Thanks, Edmund >Edmund, > >While I don't mind giving you my SS# (though, I will call you with it, >rather than send it over email), I'm confused about this part of the >Ruling you sent me: > >>Section 1.6041-3(d) of the Regulations states that no return is required >>under section 6041 for payment of bills for merchandise, telegrams, >>telephone, freight, storage, and similar charges. > >Since I am invoicing Dance Troupe for delivery of a product (video >tapes), wouldn't it fall under this section? Or does it have to be >split out to the services of making the tapes, and delivery of that >merchandise? > >The IRS is clear as mud, as usual. > >If MIT has to file a 1099 because of this, will I be receiving a copy >for my taxes as well? > >-Dave Jedlinsky >opus@mit.edu  1,, Summary-line: 26-Apr Iceman6@aol.com #Re: Need 8 NH ferrets for Lupron + misc stuff Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23232; Mon, 26 Apr 99 19:29:52 EDT Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16596; Mon, 26 Apr 99 19:29:48 EDT Received: from Iceman6@aol.com (14432) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6TXSa03409 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:29:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Iceman6@aol.com Message-Id: <2245f3c8.24564f97@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:24:07 EDT Subject: Re: Need 8 NH ferrets for Lupron + misc stuff To: opus@MIT.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Iceman6@aol.com *** EOOH *** From: Iceman6@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:24:07 EDT Subject: Re: Need 8 NH ferrets for Lupron + misc stuff To: opus@MIT.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Iceman6@aol.com Sorry, I forgot to mention the Lupron's for adrenal problems. Tipper (my hairless one) didn't show any swelling until she was nearly nude, so I'm just going on the assumption that Hillary is working on the same problem but her symptoms are in reverse. As I understand it the swollen vulva indicates that their estrogen levels are elevated and they are in a kind of pseudo heat which in addition to the adrenal output being out of whack, eventually raises the additional possibility of aplastic anemia. About 20% don't loose their hair at all. Check for thin skin, potbelly, weight loss and weakening muscles, especially in the back end. The most recent Modern Ferret has an article on using Lupron. Someone recently posted that Lupron for 10 beasties was $2000 so when I get back from VT on Wednesday I'll recheck with my vet and see if I misunderstood. Will let you know if I learn anything useful. Martha  1, answered,, Summary-line: 27-Apr jtidwell@inconcert.com #Re: Mayday hike up Monadnock Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16328; Tue, 27 Apr 99 10:27:17 EDT Received: from Portal.XAIT.Xerox.COM by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15321; Tue, 27 Apr 99 10:27:11 EDT Received: from inconcert.com (Rosebud.XAIT.Xerox.COM [13.232.16.32]) by Portal.XAIT.Xerox.COM (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA29036 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inconcert.com by inconcert.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA26368; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:27:12 -0400 Message-Id: <3725C927.8E295310@inconcert.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:26:47 -0400 From: Jenifer Tidwell Reply-To: jtidwell@inconcert.com Organization: InConcert, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Mayday hike up Monadnock References: <199904262345.TAA22584@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:26:47 -0400 From: Jenifer Tidwell Reply-To: jtidwell@inconcert.com Organization: InConcert, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Mayday hike up Monadnock References: <199904262345.TAA22584@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I do plan to go to Ken's afterwards. That's part of my incentive to get out there early (that and to avoid the mid-morning crowds)! How early does Ruth have to be at Ken's to start making dinner? We could plan to be off the mountain by 2:00, if she wants to go too... How far a drive is it from your place to Monadnock? - Jenifer "David C. Jedlinsky" wrote: > > I'm interested in going. Are you heading to Ken's for dinner > afterward? If so, I'd like to bum a ride from NH, as Ruth will > already be down early to make dinner. > > Think of my house as a staging/base camp. :-) > > -Dave  1,, Summary-line: 27-Apr jtidwell@inconcert.com #Re: Mayday hike up Monadnock Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16895; Tue, 27 Apr 99 17:08:21 EDT Received: from Portal.XAIT.Xerox.COM by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10779; Tue, 27 Apr 99 17:08:15 EDT Received: from inconcert.com (Rosebud.XAIT.Xerox.COM [13.232.16.32]) by Portal.XAIT.Xerox.COM (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA02116 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inconcert.com by inconcert.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA03348; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:08:16 -0400 Message-Id: <37262729.E705812B@inconcert.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:07:53 -0400 From: Jenifer Tidwell Reply-To: jtidwell@inconcert.com Organization: InConcert, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Mayday hike up Monadnock References: <199904272044.QAA25890@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:07:53 -0400 From: Jenifer Tidwell Reply-To: jtidwell@inconcert.com Organization: InConcert, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Mayday hike up Monadnock References: <199904272044.QAA25890@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, not so far. Got several responses from people saying they'd want to be on future hikes, though... Darlene says she might come, but she sounds doubtful about whether it'll be possible, given her schedule. 8:00 sounds good. I know me well enough to know that it will probably be more like 8:15 or 8:30 anyway, but I'll do my best. :-) - Jenifer "David C. Jedlinsky" wrote: > > >Sometime between now and Saturday morning, we can decide when I should > >get to your place... > > I would guess you'd want to be here between 8 and 8:30 if you want to > be hiking by 9. > > Anyone else coming so far? > > -Dave  1,, Summary-line: 27-Apr leta1@juno.com #Re: Utopia Scores Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21232; Tue, 27 Apr 99 23:13:42 EDT Received: from x13.boston.juno.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13615; Tue, 27 Apr 99 23:13:40 EDT Received: (from leta1@juno.com) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D89UH936; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:13:13 EDT To: opus@MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:56:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Utopia Scores Message-Id: <19990427.231043.-281739.3.Leta1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-19 X-Juno-Att: 0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Leta M Hall *** EOOH *** To: opus@MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:56:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Utopia Scores X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-19 X-Juno-Att: 0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Leta M Hall That would be great. How about 2. Save some time while you're here and we can do something beyond exchange scores/checks. Leta On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:54:18 -0400 "David C. Jedlinsky" writes: > >Hi Leta. > >I'm going to be in DC on May 15/16. Is that too late to bring you >the >Utopia scores? I couldn't find any lying about; I'll need to have >Kinko's make more and bind them; it will cost around $20 each >(probably less). How many would you like (2 or 3)? > >If we can meet that weekend, I can save you some postage! :-) > >-Dave > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  1,, Summary-line: 28-Apr pdu@uksafety.net # Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04129; Wed, 28 Apr 99 03:32:38 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22860; Wed, 28 Apr 99 03:32:36 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id DAA03416; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <000301be9149$17b30180$65053cc3@pre-installedco> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: pdu@uksafety.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "pdu" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: pdu@uksafety.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "pdu" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 I have set up a mailing list on the Internet that G&S and similar societies may find interesting. There is no charge made for registering as a list member nor is there one for using the service. The only cost involved is the normal cost of sending and receiving e-mail. I would be grateful if you would help me to spread the word about this e-mail community to all amateur performing societies and everyone else you feel could benefit from using it. Certainly, production managers, directors, musical directors, etc., would find the resource useful. If you visit http://www.onelist.com on the Internet and search in Arts/Theatre you will find: AmDram-support-net [English] [Safe for Kids] A mailing list for amateur dramatic and other performing societies based in the UK to facilitate sharing of information and support. The list can be used to inform other groups of shows, activities, events and any other useful information. You can tell us about forthcoming shows, seek background information about prospective productions, ask for help, scenery, props, or whatever! For more information, http://users.powernet.co.uk/pdu Cheers, Paul Edwards Publicity Manager Leighton Linslade Amateur Operatic Society (UK)  1,, Summary-line: 28-Apr raeburn@raeburn.org #reminder: dinner at my place on Saturday May 1 Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09736; Wed, 28 Apr 99 04:27:26 EDT Received: from 209-122-231-164.s164.tnt4.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28423; Wed, 28 Apr 99 04:27:21 EDT Received: (from raeburn@localhost) by raeburn.org (8.8.8/8.6.9) id EAA02651; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:27:17 -0400 (EDT) To: "Carolyn's dinner list" , Denis Moskowitz , Eric Mumpower , Jennie Hango , Johanna Bobrow , Kate Thornton , Liza Wirtz , Martina Falter , Mary Agner , Matthew Morse , Teresa Hernandez Subject: reminder: dinner at my place on Saturday May 1 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Ken Raeburn Date: 28 Apr 1999 04:27:17 -0400 Message-Id: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070063 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.63) Emacs/20.3 *** EOOH *** To: "Carolyn's dinner list" , Denis Moskowitz , Eric Mumpower , Jennie Hango , Johanna Bobrow , Kate Thornton , Liza Wirtz , Martina Falter , Mary Agner , Matthew Morse , Teresa Hernandez Subject: reminder: dinner at my place on Saturday May 1 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Ken Raeburn Date: 28 Apr 1999 04:27:17 -0400 Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070063 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.63) Emacs/20.3 Come by my place[*] Saturday evening, May 1, starting around 6. Ruth will be making dinner, and we will probably have a movie or games (or both) for afterwards. RSVP so we'll know how much food is needed. Ken [*] I'm at 18 Pearson Ave in Somerville, near Porter and Davis Square T stops. See http://www.cygnus.com/~raeburn/dir.html or email or call me for directions. ------- End of forwarded message -------  1,, Summary-line: 28-Apr CJ@sftlaw.com #Fwd: [dc-meeps] This is for real, pass it on... Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07844; Wed, 28 Apr 99 13:34:31 EDT Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10465; Wed, 28 Apr 99 13:34:27 EDT Received: from SFT_PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:34:14 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:33:45 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: , , , , , , , , Subject: Fwd: [dc-meeps] This is for real, pass it on... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_B8EEA586.3F5E32D4" *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:33:45 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: , , , , , , , , Subject: Fwd: [dc-meeps] This is for real, pass it on... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_B8EEA586.3F5E32D4" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_B8EEA586.3F5E32D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi, sorry for all the mail lately, I'll try to keep it down from now on. = But this one came from a friend in Colorado, and gee, I wouldn't have = reacted as well as she did.... Te/CJ --=_B8EEA586.3F5E32D4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.159]) by sftlaw.com; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:30:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 6619 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 1999 17:30:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 6491 invoked from network); 28 Apr 1999 17:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sftlaw.com) (38.209.248.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 17:30:11 -0000 Received: from SFT_PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:30:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:30:21 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: Content-Disposition: inline Mailing-List: list dc-meeps@onelist.com; contact dc-meeps-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list dc-meeps@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: dc-meeps@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [dc-meeps] This is for real, pass it on... From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" (This email was written by one of the attorneys at the Criminal Bureau. She works with State Troopers, has had police training, and this happened to her recently. Send it to some women you work with. You see this in the news and it makes you really think about what could happen.) Ladies, be extra careful when driving alone. Please read below. I headed for home by myself at approximately 10pm. I was between exits when a car pulled into the right most lane beside me (I was in the center lane) and started matching speeds with me. After a minute, I tried to slow down so he would pass. He slowed, too. I regained my previous speed, and he sped up with me. Finally after a few minutes of this, he pulled slightly ahead of me, rolled down his window and motioned towards my tire as though something was wrong. The man had already begun to make me nervous by driving along side me for some distance on the mostly empty highway, and now my training took over. "This man is trying to get me off the road by myself here in the dark," I thought. This, in case you are unfamiliar with the area, is basically the middle of nowhere. I know my car. I am very careful with maintenance, and I am an experienced driver. I know what a flat tire feels like. I knew my car was fine. I put on my turn signal and moved to the right-most lane behind the man anyway and slowed down slightly (there is always the chance that something could have been wrong, better to be prepared). The other car pulled onto the shoulder and started slowing down. Now I knew he was definitely trying toget me to pull over. I passed him, he swerve back on the road and drove right behind me. At the next exit, there were two gas stations. They were well lit and there were a few people there. I exited, he followed. Not only this, but a car I had not previously noticed, that was in front of us suddenly swerved off the exit when I put my turn signal on. I know this scenario. I grew up in some pretty bad area. I have had training in this. At this point, everything I had learned was in control. I decided not to stop anywhere. By now there was absolutely no doubt that my car was fine. When we approached the stop sign at the dark, empty intersection after the gas stations, the car ahead of me put on his left turn signal and stopped. I checked for traffic as I approached the intersection, then pulled around him to the right, and headed straight back for the highway. Both the car that had been ahead and the one that had been following me turned left across the highway and did not pursue further. I have now carefully checked my car in a safe place when I knew I was no longer being followed. It is in perfect condition. This is a classic scenario for car jackers to use at night. I feel lucky that I was well prepared and didn't have to think too much about what to do. 1. Don't ever let yourself be caught between two cars. Car jackers often work in pairs, attempting to corner your vehicle. 2. Don't ever pull off the road at night by yourself in a dark, unpopulated place. 3. Carry a cell phone - I'm going to get one!! 4. Stay calm. Don't try any tricks. If you are in an accident, you are vulnerable. 5. Remember that most criminals want easy victims... DON'T LET YOURSELF BECOME ONE!!! 6. Make sure you find out how to react BEFORE you are in the situation! These situations are unfortunately real and dangerous. Thinking about it when it happens is too late! 7. ALWAYS make sure you do not stop until you are CERTAIN that help is present (i.e., even if you are in a slight accident, head straight for the police station, and don't stop until you are there. Car jackers often slightly damage vehicles by bumping them from the rear to try to get the driver to get out.) GOOD ENOUGH TO READ? PASS IT ON! KAREN L CAMPBELL, Attorney at Law * ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Have you visited the new ONElist home page lately? http://www.ONElist.com ONElist: The Leading e-mail list and community service on the Internet! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -=This message originated with the DC-Meeps Mailing List=- -=Contact Ralph (Sasquatch1@bigfoot.com) with any questions=- --=_B8EEA586.3F5E32D4--  1, answered,, Summary-line: 28-Apr leta1@juno.com #Re: Utopia Scores Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18081; Wed, 28 Apr 99 23:19:57 EDT Received: from x13.boston.juno.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05243; Wed, 28 Apr 99 23:19:50 EDT Received: (from leta1@juno.com) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D9CE8XUQ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:18:39 EDT To: opus@MIT.EDU Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:14:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Utopia Scores Message-Id: <19990428.231604.-287919.1.Leta1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Leta M Hall *** EOOH *** To: opus@MIT.EDU Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:14:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Utopia Scores X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Leta M Hall Silly man: I meant two scores. Any*time* is fine with me On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:00:49 -0400 "David C. Jedlinsky" writes: > >Hi Leta. > >>That would be great. How about 2. Save some time while you're here >and >>we can do something beyond exchange scores/checks. > >I'm fairly certain that 2 won't do. We're coming to attend the >ordination of one of Ruth's friends, and that will probably take up >most of Saturday. It's possible that Saturday evening would be free, >but I'll have to get back to you on that. Sunday, we're attending >his >first Mass at 12:30, then we're free in the afternoon (I assume) >until >our flight out of BWI at 9:10. > >Sorry to have such a full schedule! Perhaps dinner would work? > >-Dave > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  1,, Summary-line: 30-Apr philip@msmail.awii.com #CONTRABANDISTA/CHIEFTAIN CDs Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA00600; Fri, 30 Apr 99 12:37:29 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11349; Fri, 30 Apr 99 12:37:24 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA01525; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: philip@msmail.awii.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Sternenberg, Philip (NJ)" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: CONTRABANDISTA/CHIEFTAIN CDs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: philip@msmail.awii.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Sternenberg, Philip (NJ)" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: CONTRABANDISTA/CHIEFTAIN CDs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Last week I received my two-CD set of THE CONTRABANDISTA and THE CHIEFTAIN. I was concerned that, based on Prince Consort's own dissatisfaction with what they had recorded, I might find this a flawed product. To my delight, this is anything but. The performances meet the fine standards Prince Consort set with their recordings of other Sullivan operas, but the LPs of EMERALD ISLE, BEAUTY STONE, and ROSE OF PERSIA were marred by engineering flaws on Pearl's end (more surface noise than Decca/London had, and in the case of EMERALD ISLE two snippets of dialogue accidentally left in and a groove jump in the introduction). Chris Webster has provided a flawlessly engineered product that, in particular, makes the orchestra sparkle. CONTRABANDISTA is recorded as it appears in the vocal score save for the omission of most of the intro to "From rock to rock," which is also missing from CHIEFTAIN. There are two substantially different vocal scores for CHIEFTAIN, and Prince Consort based its performance on the later edition. In particular: 1) "My parents were of great gentility" is used for Inez instead of "Let others seek," and the latter can be heard in CONTRABANDISTA, although a chorus was added in the original CHIEFTAIN. 2) "Wanted a Chieftain" was a song in the original CHIEFTAIN that, with its surrounding dialogue, was replaced by a recitative. Prince Consort found a way to insert "Wanted a Chieftain" seamlessly into the recitative. I know now for sure that "Wanted a Chieftain" provides the music for "If Maggie were married" in ENGAGED! 3) "A lady peers from a tower" was a song for Rita that was written to replace "The tinkling sheep bell," but apparently the substitution was undone during the original run, as "Sheep bell" is Rita's song in both editions of the score. This recording has "A lady peers" instead of "Sheep bell" in CHIEFTAIN, but the latter is part of CONTRABANDISTA. 4) A bolero from CONTRANBANDISTA was part of the original Act 1 Finale of CHIEFTAIN, with some chorus lyrics added. The later edition of the score has a completely new dance. This recording uses the CONTRABANDISTA bolero. The CONTRABANDISTA acoustics are pristine from being the result of studio conditions, and those of CHIEFTAIN are only slightly inferior. IMHO Alan Borthwick, as Vasquez, is the star singer, and the others, expect maybe for Dolly, aren't very far behind. (Every role common to both operas is performed by the same person in each.) There are a few occasions when the singers are hard to hear over the orchestra (never true with Alan, BTW), and there are a couple of tempi ("Ah, oui, j'etais une pensionnaire" comes to mind) that are a little too slow for my taste, but otherwise I'm delighted to hear these opera sung as they should be. I think Prince Consort underrated its own performance here, although there are one or two places where I think I detect an edit that may be possible only with digital technology. No matter -- if this is typical of Chris's work, then "Sounds on CD" deserves to be a thriving enterprise. I hope Chris will now tackle transferring BEAUTY STONE and EMERALD ISLE by Prince Consort to CD. Philip Sternenberg -- "Nature's Sole Mistake!" philip@msmail.awii.com Bergenfield NJ USA  1, answered,, Summary-line: 30-Apr jtidwell@inconcert.com #Re: Mayday hike up Monadnock Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24287; Fri, 30 Apr 99 16:10:13 EDT Received: from Portal.XAIT.Xerox.COM by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20042; Fri, 30 Apr 99 16:10:08 EDT Received: from inconcert.com (Rosebud.XAIT.Xerox.COM [13.232.16.32]) by Portal.XAIT.Xerox.COM (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA20970; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inconcert.com by inconcert.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA06045; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:10:03 -0400 Message-Id: <372A0E15.10C043D7@inconcert.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:09:57 -0400 From: Jenifer Tidwell Reply-To: jtidwell@inconcert.com Organization: InConcert, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: rlcarr@bos.saic.com Subject: Re: Mayday hike up Monadnock References: <199904272044.QAA25890@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:09:57 -0400 From: Jenifer Tidwell Reply-To: jtidwell@inconcert.com Organization: InConcert, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: rlcarr@bos.saic.com Subject: Re: Mayday hike up Monadnock References: <199904272044.QAA25890@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, David, I'm going to try to be at your house around 8:00. It takes about an hour to get there from Arlington, right? Also, which exit off of Rt 3 do I take? I haven't made a decision yet on which trails to take, by the way, so if you want, you can look at that URL I sent earlier and read the descriptions. Tradeoffs seem to include length, width, steepness, amount of serious rock scrambling, potential crowds, and orientation with respect to the sun (the most popular trails are southeast-facing, so we'd have the sun on our backs on the way up and have a drier trail). Rich, now that you have good hiking boots, do you want to go? - Jenifer "David C. Jedlinsky" wrote: > > >Sometime between now and Saturday morning, we can decide when I should > >get to your place... > > I would guess you'd want to be here between 8 and 8:30 if you want to > be hiking by 9. > > Anyone else coming so far? > > -Dave  1,, Summary-line: 30-Apr mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Coffee break Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26230; Fri, 30 Apr 99 17:28:31 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13507; Fri, 30 Apr 99 17:28:26 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10dKpa-0005Bs-00; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:28:22 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:28:21 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Coffee break Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:28:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Coffee break Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:28:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > >> A blonde was recently hired at the office. Her first task was > to go > >> out > >> for coffee. > >> Eager to prove her worth to her new bosses, she grabbed a > large > >> thermos > >> and hurried to a nearby coffee shop. She held up the thermos and > the > >> coffee > >> shop worker quickly came over to take her order. > >> "Is this big enough to hold six cups of coffee?" the blonde > asked. > >> The coffee shop worker looked at the thermos, hesitated for a > few > >> seconds, then finally replied, "Yeah. It looks like about six cups > to > me." > >> "Oh good!" the blonde sighed in relief. "Then give me three > regular, > >> one > >> black, and two decaf." > >>  1,, Summary-line: 30-Apr jtidwell@inconcert.com #Re: Mayday hike up Monadnock Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27873; Fri, 30 Apr 99 17:33:45 EDT Received: from Portal.XAIT.Xerox.COM by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17239; Fri, 30 Apr 99 17:33:43 EDT Received: from inconcert.com (Rosebud.XAIT.Xerox.COM [13.232.16.32]) by Portal.XAIT.Xerox.COM (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA25134; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inconcert.com by inconcert.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA08505; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:33:39 -0400 Message-Id: <372A21AD.81C441A2@inconcert.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:33:33 -0400 From: Jenifer Tidwell Reply-To: jtidwell@inconcert.com Organization: InConcert, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: rlcarr@bos.saic.com Subject: Re: Mayday hike up Monadnock References: <199904302127.RAA07288@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:33:33 -0400 From: Jenifer Tidwell Reply-To: jtidwell@inconcert.com Organization: InConcert, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: rlcarr@bos.saic.com Subject: Re: Mayday hike up Monadnock References: <199904302127.RAA07288@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "David C. Jedlinsky" wrote: > > I usually take the white dot or white cross trails (what a surprise; > they're the most popular). I wouldn't mind trying the cascade link to > the pummpelly trail. Just a guess, but I'm probably not in good > enough shape for the spellman, though we could decide when we get to > it. I do not want to take the spellman down, however. Oh, good, you've done these before. I haven't. :-) Yeah, the Spellman sounds like a challenge, especially going down. Pumpelly sounds like it has the nicest summit approach. If we take White Dot to Cascade to Pumpelly, how much distance would we add over and above the Spellman route? (From the on-line map, it looks like Spellman is a cutoff that makes a triangle between Cascade and Pumpelly, but most of the triangle's off the map.) > Do you have a good map, or should I try to print out the one on the > web site? The good people at the ranger station said they had maps there, when I called earlier today. - Jenifer  1,, Summary-line: 30-Apr mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09364; Fri, 30 Apr 99 18:14:14 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24592; Fri, 30 Apr 99 18:14:09 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10dLXp-0000Cd-00; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:14:05 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:14:03 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:14:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:14:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > >> Northerners Visiting or Moving to the Southern > >> States: > >> > >> If you are from the northern states and > >> planning on visiting or moving to the South, > >> there are a few things you should know > >> that will help you adapt to the difference > >> in lifestyles: > >> > >> If you run your car into a ditch, don't panic. > >> Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck > >> with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will > >> be along shortly. Don't try to help them, > >> just stay out of their way. This is what they > >> live for. > >> > >> Don't be surprised to find movie rentals and > >> bait in the same store. Do not buy food at > >> this store. > >> > >> Remember, "ya'll" is singular, "all ya'll" > >> is plural, and "all ya'll's" is plural > >> possessive. > >> > >> Get used to hearing "You ain't from around > >> here, are ya?" > >> > >> You may hear a Southerner say "Ought!" to > >> a dog or child. This is short for "Ya'll > >> oughta not do that!" and is the equivalent > >> of saying "No!" > >> > >> Don't be worried at not understanding what > >> people are saying. They can't understand > >> you either. > >> > >> The first Southern expression to creep > >> into a transplanted Northerner's vocabulary > >> is the adjective "big'ol," as in "big'ol > >> truck" or "big'ol boy." Most Northerners begin > >> their Southern-influenced dialect this way. > >> All of them are in denial about it. > >> > >> The proper pronunciation you learned in > >> school is no longer proper. > >> > >> Be advised that "He needed killin" is a > >> valid defense here. > >> > >> If you hear a Southerner exclaim, "Hey, > >> ya'll, watch this," stay out of the way. > >> These are likely to be the last words > >> he'll ever say. > >> > >> If there is the prediction of the > >> slightest chance of even the smallest > >> accumulation of snow, your presence is > >> required at the local grocery store. It > >> doesn't matter whether you need anything > >> or not. You just have to go there. > >> > >> When you come up on a person driving > >> 15 mph down the middle of the road, > >> remember that most folks learn to drive > >> on a John Deere, and that this is the > >> proper speed and position for that > >> vehicle. > >> > >> Do not be surprised to find that > >> 10-year olds own their own shotguns > >> and are proficient marksmen. Or that > >> their mammas taught them how to aim. > >> > >> In the South, we have found that the > >> best way to grow a lush, green lawn is > >> to pour gravel on it and call it a > >> driveway. > >> > >> If you do settle in the South and > >> bear children, don't think we will > >> accept them as Southerners. After all, > >> if the cat had kittens in the oven, > >> we wouldn't call 'em biscuits. > > * * * * * * * * * * > Susan Poliniak > spoliniak@mindspring.com >  1,, Summary-line: 30-Apr mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: George Carlin Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09556; Fri, 30 Apr 99 18:14:48 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24716; Fri, 30 Apr 99 18:14:43 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10dLYN-0000E8-00; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:14:39 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:14:37 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: George Carlin Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:14:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: George Carlin Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:14:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > >George Carlin Witticisms > > > >1) Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things. > >2) One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. > >3) Atheism is a nonprophet organization. > >4) If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys > and > apes? > >5) The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all > the bad > girls live. > >6) I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the > self-help > >section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose. > >7) Could it be that all those trick-or-treaters wearing sheets aren't > going > as ghosts but as mattresses? > >8) If a mute swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap? > >9) If a man is standing in the middle of the forest speaking and > there is > no woman around to hear him - is he still wrong? > >10) If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, > is it > considered a hostage situation? > >11) Is there another word for synonym? > >12) Isn't it a bit unnerving that doctors call what they do > "practice?" > >13) Where do forest rangers go to "get away from it all?" > >14) What do you do when you see an endangered animal eating an > endangered > plant? > >15) If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages? > >16) Would a fly without wings be called a walk? > >17) Why do they lock gas station bathrooms? Are they afraid someone > will > clean them? > >18) If a turtle doesn't have a shell, is he homeless or naked? > >19) Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? > >20) Can vegetarians eat animal crackers? > >21) If the police arrest a mime, do they tell him he has the right to > remain silent? > >22) Why do they put Braille on the drive through bank machines? > >23) How do they get the deer to cross at that yellow road sign? > >24) Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste > funny? > >25) What was the best thing before sliced bread? > >26) I'm not schizophrenic. You only think we are. > > > Adina Alexander > Graphic Designer, Web Developer > adina@cduniverse.com > http://www.cduniverse.com > CD UNIVERSE: The Most Music - The Best Prices > > "I accept chaos - I wonder if it accepts me?" - Bob Dylan > "It's hard not to play when there are so many toys . . ." - Jewel > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ---------------  1,, Summary-line: 30-Apr toddlong@erols.com #Monday's the day Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16321; Fri, 30 Apr 99 18:45:18 EDT Received: from smtp2.erols.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00761; Fri, 30 Apr 99 18:45:13 EDT Received: from erols.com (207-172-240-178.s51.as3.bsd.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.240.178]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04471; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <372A3213.E86B04CE@erols.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:43:31 -0400 From: Todd Long X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-RR082798 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "'Gaye Freese'" , Amy Allen , Barry Grinnell , Bill Rippey , Blair Eig , Christina Roseman , Courtney Morton , Dad , David Jedlinsky , Dawn Crum Snyder , Debbie Peetz , Denise Young , Dennis Blackwell , Ellen Spear , Father John , Ira Haber , Jay Dzigas , Jean Monroe and Jay Lane , Jenny Bland , Joe Sorge , Julie Kingman , Kate Lawniczajk , Kate Lawniczak , "Kelly O'Brien Snyder" , Kerry Freese , Leigh Mann , Les Elkins , Leta , LISA FREESE , Louise Lerner , Lynne Claflin , Marcy Ratcovich , Meghan Conway , Melissa Murer , Michael David Long , Mitch Gillett , Mollie Toms , Mom , Pam Hodges , Ray , Rebecca Consentino , Scott Gagnon , Scott Reed Home , Scott Reed , "Shari, Second Address" , Zoe Daniels Subject: Monday's the day Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:43:31 -0400 From: Todd Long X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-RR082798 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "'Gaye Freese'" , Amy Allen , Barry Grinnell , Bill Rippey , Blair Eig , Christina Roseman , Courtney Morton , Dad , David Jedlinsky , Dawn Crum Snyder , Debbie Peetz , Denise Young , Dennis Blackwell , Ellen Spear , Father John , Ira Haber , Jay Dzigas , Jean Monroe and Jay Lane , Jenny Bland , Joe Sorge , Julie Kingman , Kate Lawniczajk , Kate Lawniczak , "Kelly O'Brien Snyder" , Kerry Freese , Leigh Mann , Les Elkins , Leta , LISA FREESE , Louise Lerner , Lynne Claflin , Marcy Ratcovich , Meghan Conway , Melissa Murer , Michael David Long , Mitch Gillett , Mollie Toms , Mom , Pam Hodges , Ray , Rebecca Consentino , Scott Gagnon , Scott Reed Home , Scott Reed , "Shari, Second Address" , Zoe Daniels Subject: Monday's the day Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just thought I'd drop you all a small note (thud) to ask for your prayers/thoughts on this Monday. I will be going to the Massachusetts Eye & Ear Infirmary for nasal surgery to correct a deviated septum and relieve some blockages in my sinuses. Not major surgery, but they do have to put me under so there's always a risk. I should recover my accustomed cheeriness in about a week and hopefully breathe (and sing!) much easier in the coming months. Hope all is well with you and yours! ~Todd  1,, Summary-line: 1-May ornstn@home.com #Thoughts on The Chieftain Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10512; Sat, 1 May 99 12:47:45 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12776; Sat, 1 May 99 12:47:40 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA13902; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990501111535.01c14f10@mail> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: ornstn@home.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ronald Orenstein To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Thoughts on The Chieftain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: ornstn@home.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ronald Orenstein To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Thoughts on The Chieftain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 I have now had a chance to listen to Chris Webster's CD transfer of The Prince Consort's performances of The Contrabandista and The Chieftain, and since Chris has asked for comments, I thought it was only right that I should provide some. Those not interested in hearing me ramble on about my opinions can profitably skip the rest of this message. My only previous experience of The Chieftain was that of going through the piano-vocal score (with a pianist) many years ago, while searching for music for Tom Petiet's 1971 version of Thespis. We found it a depressing experience, and I came away with the conclusion that this was surely Sullivan's worst operetta. After listening to an actual performance, I have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised by some numbers I may have dismissed years ago, but see no reason to revise my original opinion. The Chieftains has serious problems, and they are not just restricted to the admittedly wretched libretto. Part of the problem, it seems to me, is that the music recycled into The Chieftain from The Contrabandista clashes in style with the music for the rest of the operetta. This is not just a matter of a passage in time; the music allotted to the different characters becomes terribly inconsistent. For example, the rough-and-ready bandits Sancho and Jose of the earlier version keep some of their old music, but add to it numbers like "'Tis very hard to choose" which are much lighter and more elegant-sounding. The Rita of Act 1, who retains much of her old music, is almost unrecognizable as the same character in the second act. Sullivan's approach seems to have been quite different in the later piece. Where the music of Contrabandista is, like that for Cox and Box, English by way of Offenbach, the new music deliberately apes a continental style that did not even exist in 1867. As much as I love the music of The Contrabandista, I wonder if Sullivan might not have been better off to recompose the whole thing from scratch (he did "touch up" some of the old numbers, not always for the better IMHO). Unfortunately, much of the new music seems to my ear to be Sullivan at his least inspired. Thus, when he does replace a number from Contrabandista with a new song, the new song is usually worse. I cannot imagine preferring "A lady peers from a tower" to "Only the night wind sighs alone" [I understand that this substitution may not have even make it into performance, and the orchestration for the new song on the CD is not Sullivan's], and though "Wake, gentle maiden" is hardly Sullivan at his best, its replacement, "Wake, then, awake!" Is simply dreadful. The one exception, in my opinion, is "My parents were of great gentility", which is delightful if totally different in mood from " Let others seek the peaceful plain", which it replaced during the run of The Chieftain at the Savoy [it is, alas, wretchedly sung on the recording; though most of the singers on the CD are quite good, and some are better than that, the Inez is simply incapable of handling the music]. What puzzles me about this song, though, is how little it sounds like Sullivan. I could easily have taken it for a number from Sousa's "El Capitan", or even for some of Mirabella's music in "The Gypsy Baron". That brings me to one of my main problems in listening to The Chieftain. Even if I eliminate numbers which sound to me as though Sullivan was simply going through the motions, like the interminable "There are cases", the more listenable new numbers sound like they could have been written by any number of Sullivan's lesser contemporaries on the continent (or even on our continent, if I include Sousa). I know that some people on this list consider it quite an achievement that Sullivan could imitate the continental operetta style, but it saddens me to see one of the greatest composers of operetta, who, in his earlier days, confined his imitations to even greater composers like Handel, imitate composers who were not as good as he was. Where is Sullivan's own voice in The Chieftain? I do not know, but I think he found it again in his next operetta, The Grand Duke, which has a continental touch but is unmistakably Sullivan (and much better music, by and large, then the new songs in The Chieftain). That said, I have to admit that The Chieftain has its moments. The best of them, I think, is "There's no one, I'm certain" despite its rather startling opening which seems to be a direct to steal from Lalo's Symphonie Espagnole. Other than that, if I were asked to assemble a "highlights" disc from the new songs in The Chieftain the only ones I would include are: My parents were of great gentility 'Tis very hard to choose (though the concluding dance is pretty dull stuff) The Gay Hussar (which I would rank as just OK) Ah, oui, j'etais (though I am not as fond of this as some) La criada We quite understand The Chieftain is found (which partly reprises "There's no one I'm certain" In conclusion, then, I don't think The Chieftain is revivable (though certainly excerptable, to a limited degree), and I still prefer the much more consistent earlier version of 1867. Nonetheless, I am grateful to Chris Webster, and to The Prince Consort, for giving us a chance to hear it, and as I would be very surprised to see it follow The Rose of Persia into the ranks of the professionally recorded, with the really good orchestral playing that that would imply, I can certainly recommend the CD to anyone who, like me, enjoys delving into rare Sullivan, and can put up with dross while waiting for the odd gem that sticks in the head. -- Ronald I. Orenstein Phone: (905) 820-7886 International Wildlife Coalition Fax/Modem: (905) 569-0116 1825 Shady Creek Court Mississauga, Ontario, Canada L5L 3W2 mailto:ornstn@home.com  1,, Summary-line: 3-May mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: DIVINE PARENTING Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA00514; Mon, 3 May 99 11:25:25 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27083; Mon, 3 May 99 11:25:22 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10eKar-0003ox-00; Mon, 3 May 1999 11:25:17 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 May 1999 11:25:14 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: DIVINE PARENTING Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:25:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: DIVINE PARENTING Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:25:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip_Gellis@mccord.com [SMTP:Philip_Gellis@mccord.com] > Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 10:06 AM > To: jlevenberg@aol.com; mendes@aigfpc.com > Subject: DIVINE PARENTING > > Whenever your kids are out of control, you can take comfort > from the thought that even God's omnipotence did not extend > to God's kids. After creating heaven and earth, God created > Adam and Eve. > > And the first thing He said to them was: "Don't." > > "Don't what?" Adam replied. > > "Don't eat the forbidden fruit." God said. > > "Forbidden fruit? We got forbidden fruit? Hey, Eve...we got > Forbidden Fruit!" > > "No way!" > > "Yes WAY!" > > "Don't eat that fruit!" said God. > > "Why?" > > "Because I'm your Creator and I said so!" said God, wondering > why he hadn't stopped after making the elephants. A few minutes > later God saw the kids having an apple break and was angry. > > "Didn't I tell you not to eat that fruit?" the first parent > asked. > > "Uh huh," Adam replied. > > "Then why did you?" > > "I dunno," Eve answered. > > "She started it!" Adam said. > > "Did Not!" > > "DID so!" > > "DID NOT!!" > > Having had it with the two of them, God's punishment was that Adam > and Eve should have children of their own. Thus the pattern was set > and it has never changed. But there is a reassurance in this story. > If you have persistently and lovingly tried to give them wisdom and > they haven't taken it, don't be hard on yourself. If God had > trouble > handling children, what makes you think it would be a piece of cake > for you? >> > > > > >  1, answered,, Summary-line: 3-May sharkli@netlink.co.uk #Re: BBC Magazine with ROSE OF PERSIA at bargain price Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29098; Mon, 3 May 99 13:31:36 EDT Received: from tantalum.btinternet.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15412; Mon, 3 May 99 13:31:39 EDT Received: from [212.140.18.39] (helo=btinternet.com) by tantalum with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10eMYi-00007K-00 for opus@mit.edu; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:31:13 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:54:40 +0100 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Helga Perry Subject: Re: BBC Magazine with ROSE OF PERSIA at bargain price References: <199905031520.LAA23057@charon.MIT.EDU> In-Reply-To: <199905031520.LAA23057@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:54:40 +0100 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Helga Perry Subject: Re: BBC Magazine with ROSE OF PERSIA at bargain price References: <199905031520.LAA23057@charon.MIT.EDU> In-Reply-To: <199905031520.LAA23057@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 I've a horrible feeling I've sent two to you instead of one to you and one to Judith Weis!! If another one turns up during the week it'll be hers! In message <199905031520.LAA23057@charon.MIT.EDU>, David C. Jedlinsky writes > >Hi Helga. > >I received the copy of the Rose of Persia CD and BBC Music Magazine >from you today. Thank you very much for making this available! > >-Dave Jedlinsky >opus@mit.edu > > Helga Perry sharkli@netlink.co.uk *********************************************** "Well, _you_ try eating custard in your fingers!"  1, answered,, Summary-line: 3-May CJ@sftlaw.com #IMPORTANT!! Addresses & Spring Cleaning Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07226; Mon, 3 May 99 17:09:41 EDT Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20275; Mon, 3 May 99 17:09:37 EDT Received: from SFT_PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 03 May 1999 17:08:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:08:23 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , Cc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: IMPORTANT!! Addresses & Spring Cleaning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:08:23 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , Cc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: IMPORTANT!! Addresses & Spring Cleaning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello! It's that time again.... .... Just discovered that when I lost my network link last month (and = again two days later.... sigh....), my email past-log got eaten. Joy. = Guess where I'd been storing people's snailmail addresses? Especially = people who have moved in the last, oh, year or so, maybe two (well, since = last March, anyway...). So, if you're getting this, a) I had your address. You sent it to me, and like a good little bunny, I = saved it for future reference.... b) in a computer that hates me. The gremlins ate it, will you please send = it again? Just to me, though, because you may not have met some of the = people on this list (and, quite frankly, you may not be ready to....). c) why? Cuz I have to send you snailmail this week. Trust me, it's = imperative. Really really really. I don't like admitting things like = "uh, I lost it...."; it makes the rest of the Lords of Order look bad. Thank you for your tolerance, support and address! CJ, in search of Where People Are  1, answered,, Summary-line: 3-May CJ@sftlaw.com #Re: IMPORTANT!! Addresses & Spring Cleaning Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA11833; Mon, 3 May 99 17:20:55 EDT Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25102; Mon, 3 May 99 17:20:50 EDT Received: from SFT_PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 03 May 1999 17:20:58 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:20:33 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: Subject: Re: IMPORTANT!! Addresses & Spring Cleaning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:20:33 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: Subject: Re: IMPORTANT!! Addresses & Spring Cleaning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Okay! Before 6/30/99: 5213 Milland St. Springfield, VA 22151 (703) 941-4876 After 6/30/99: 7401 Axton St. Springfield, VA 22151 (703) 941-4510 Whenever: PO Box 1412 Springfield, VA 22151-0412 (301) 529-9550 (cell phone) Mind you, I still don't know what my name's gonna be after the wedding.... (PS, keep June 30 open if you can....)  1,, Summary-line: 4-May hriswebster@ndirect.co.uk #G&S CDs - ANNOUNCEMENT Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26715; Tue, 4 May 99 12:27:19 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07457; Tue, 4 May 99 12:27:21 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA11667; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 12:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <000901be964a$325aa460$48effea9@apricot> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: chriswebster@ndirect.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Chris Webster" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: G&S CDs - ANNOUNCEMENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 12:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: chriswebster@ndirect.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Chris Webster" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: G&S CDs - ANNOUNCEMENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Ladies and Gentlemen, I thought I would let you know of some of my plans for future Gilbert and / or Sullivan CD releases. 1. As most of you are aware, Diana Burleigh has a collection of Gilbert and Sullivan interviews on tape which she made with various noted G&S people in the 70s. Many people are expressing interest in these recordings, and I am pleased to make a preliminary announcement to inform you that Diana and I have discussed these tapes (by email and on the phone) and it is likely that many of them will be suitable for release on my Sounds on CD label. Although we do not believe it is absolutely necessary to gain permission from the interviewees, for politeness more than anything else, I shall be attempting to contact as many of these as possible. I have already spoken with John Reed and he is agreeable for me to use the tapes of his interviews subject to him hearing them and also subject to them not coinciding too much with a current project of his own. At first I believed that Diana had enough material to fill a CD, but as each day passes it would appear that she is discovering more and more, and this could well lead to a series of issues. 2. In addition to Diana's tapes I am also very pleased to be able to tell you that prior to learning of these, my good friend Michael Walters (he of acclaimed sleevenote fame) had long ago offered me the use of a number of private recordings that he himself made of interviews of a G&S nature, and it is likely that these will also be released in the shortness of time. I have only yet heard one of Michael's tapes which is a delightful two hour interview with Bessie Jones who sang on so many of the acoustic G&S HMV recordings. This was recorded when she was in her 80s and she speaks of many aspects of her career as well as her involvement in these early complete G&S recordings, and this tape may be suitable edited and presented with other interviews. Michael also has tapes, which I have yet to hear, but which I am very much looking for to, of an interview he made with George Baker in his later years (GBs later years that is, Michael hasn't quite reached his yet !!!). Also in Michael's collection are private recordings of, most notably, Derek Oldham, as well as, I believe, reminiscences of people whose names will be less familiar, but which I am sure will prove quite fascinating as they recall G&S performances from the turn of the century. 3. It is too early for me to make any formal announcement about the future of the previously issued Prince Consort recordings of The Emerald Isle and The Beauty Stone, but as the possibility of my issuing these has recently been discussed I shall simply say, "watch this space - you may not be disappointed". As for Haddon Hall, well, the Prince Consort haven't recorded that ......... 4. I recently commented that I was hoping to license some of EMIs Keith Hardwick transfers of the 20s/30s HMV recordings. I have still not had the full OK from EMI about this, but I am hoping to hear anyday with regard to the legendary 1929 recording of Iolanthe. If this does come off then others of the neglected recordings from this era may follow. 5. Many people have been asking me what has happened to series of HMV acoustic reissues, and I am pleased to tell you that despite concerns, this series has not come to a complete standstill. Plans are afoot to continue with these releases with the ultimate aim of having all nine of these in my growing catalogue, although the continuation of these recordings may not be in quite the same manner as in the past. 6. Another lead that I am currently pursuing is with the gentleman who, many years ago, was the proprietor of an LP label called 'Rare Recorded Editions'. The label's name speaks for itself and on that label were several items of a Sullivan interest of varying quality. Some of these items have now been made redundant by newer recordings which have since appeared, and quite honestly some of the recordings were of an appalling quality but served their purpose in giving people their only chance to hear some of the works, but there are still one or two items of interest. 7. Many of you are aware that Stephen Turnbull is the possessor of a world class collection of Sullivan rarities and I am hoping to collaborate with Stephen, some of his contacts and the SASS, to produce more CDs of an historical nature. This is another project that I am particularly looking forward to. Let me at 'em, Stephen. 8. Two people have made quite independent suggestion more or less within a day or two of each other, about my acquiring the Lyric Opera Company's recording of The Mountebanks. I haven't heard this recording, but I have mentioned this to several people who have, and they have said that the idea is not a bad one at all. The trouble is, I have no idea how to find anyone who was connected with the company, so if anyone can help hear your assistance would be very much appreciated. Anyway, that is a brief update of SOME of the things that I am hoping to be working on in the near future. Best regards to all, Chris Chris Webster 'Sounds on CD'  1, answered,, Summary-line: 4-May lmartin@theramp.net #Re: Surplus TBJ and C&B Scores Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06418; Tue, 4 May 99 15:05:40 EDT Received: from shirley.theramp.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07830; Tue, 4 May 99 15:05:44 EDT Received: from kato (pr56k-148.theramp.net [206.68.165.148]) by shirley.theramp.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17269 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:05:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <002301be9660$e15937e0$94a544ce@kato.theramp.net> Reply-To: "Martin" From: "Martin" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Surplus TBJ and C&B Scores Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:03:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 *** EOOH *** Reply-To: "Martin" From: "Martin" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Surplus TBJ and C&B Scores Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:03:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have a copy of each for you. I will check postage. Do you wish it to be sent first class, priority, or 3rd class? Thanks Leanne -----Original Message----- From: David C. Jedlinsky To: lmartin@theramp.net Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Surplus TBJ and C&B Scores > >Hello, > >Marc Shepherd mentioned that you have some leftover scores to Cox and >Box and Trial by Jury for sale. If you haven't already been >overwhelmed by requests to purchase these scores, I would like to buy >one of each. > >Thank you. > >-Dave Jedlinsky >opus@mit.edu >  1,, Summary-line: 4-May mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: WILD TRIVIA Facts Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26073; Tue, 4 May 99 18:13:30 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22209; Tue, 4 May 99 18:13:25 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10enRL-0006Tv-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 18:13:23 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 4 May 1999 18:13:21 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: WILD TRIVIA Facts Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:13:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: WILD TRIVIA Facts Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:13:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG-Financial Products > > WILD TRIVIA > > > > * Dr. Seuss coined the word "nerd" in his 1950 book "If I Ran the > > Zoo" > > > > * It takes 3000 cows to supply the NFL with enough leather for a > > year's supply of footballs. > > > > * Thirty-five percent of the people who use personal ads for dating > > are already married. (The other 65% want to be. The grass is > > always greener...) > > > > * There are an average of 178 sesame seeds on a McDonald's Big Mac > > bun. > > > > * The world's termites outweigh the world's humans 10 to 1. > > > > * Pound for pound (kilo for kilo), hamburgers cost more than new > > cars. > > > > * When Heinz ketchup leaves the bottle, it travels at a rate of 25 > > miles per year. (except in Seinfeld) > > > > * On average, 100 people choke to death on ballpoint pens every > year. > > > > * In 10 minutes, a hurricane releases more energy than all the > > world's nuclear weapons combined. > > (P.S. To the leaders on India: If you wanted to really show > > strength, you should of come up with some way to create a manmade > > hurricane - Now THAT would be one heck-of-a accomplishment) > > > > * Average lifespan of a major league baseball: 5 pitches. > > > > * Average age of top GM executives in 1994: 49.8 years. Average age > > of the Rolling Stones: 50.6. > > > > * Elephants can't jump. Every other mammal can. > > > > * The cigarette lighter was invented before the match. > > > > -- > > mailto:ToothDoc@Liii.com > > ---  1,, Summary-line: 5-May mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: ROdney Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA20021; Wed, 5 May 99 14:36:53 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA08967; Wed, 5 May 99 14:36:42 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10f6WS-0004hk-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:35:57 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:35:43 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: ROdney Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:35:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: ROdney Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:35:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Bah dum-bum CHING @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > > > Rodney Dangerfield's greatest one-liners (American comedien) > > > > > > > > > And we were poor, too, Why, if I wasn't born a boy, I'd have > nothing to > > > play with. > > > > > > A girl phoned me the other day and said "Come on over, there's > nobody > > > home." I went over. Nobody was home. > > > > > > If it weren't for pickpockets, I'd have no sex life at all. > > > > > > During sex my girlfriend always wants to talk to me. Just the > other > > > night she called me from a hotel. > > > > > > One day as I came home early from work I saw a guy jogging naked. > I > > > said to the guy, "Hey buddy, why are you doing that?" He said, > "Because > > > you came home early." > > > > > > It's been a rough day. I got up this morning, put on a shirt and > a > > > button fell off. I picked up my briefcase and the handle came > off. I'm > > > afraid to go to the bathroom. > > > > > > When I played in the sandbox the cat kept covering me up. > > > > > > I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a > toaster and > > > a radio. > > > > > > My mother never breast-fed me. She told me that she only liked me > as a friend. > > > > > > My father carries around the picture of the kid who came with his > > wallet. > > > > > > When I was born the doctor came out to the waiting room and said > to my > > > father, "I'm very sorry. We did everything we could, but he > pulled > > > through." > > > > > > My mother had morning sickness after I was born. > > > > > > I remember the time I was kidnapped and they sent a piece of my > finger > > > to my father. He said he wanted more proof. > > > > > > Once when I was lost, I saw a policeman and asked him to help me > find my parents. I said to him, "Do you think we'll ever find them?" > He said, > > > "I don't know kid, there are so many places they can hide." > > > > > > My wife made me join a bridge club. I jump off next Tuesday. > > > > > > I worked in a pet shop and people kept asking how big I'd get. > > > > > > I went to see my doctor. "Doctor, every morning I get up, look in > the > > > mirror and feel like throwing up; what's wrong with me?" He said > "I > > > don't know but your eyesight is perfect." >  1,, Summary-line: 5-May mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: forwarded message from Joke of the Day Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA25142; Wed, 5 May 99 15:54:03 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15247; Wed, 5 May 99 15:54:03 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10f7jm-0005dl-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:53:47 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:53:22 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: forwarded message from Joke of the Day Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:53:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: forwarded message from Joke of the Day Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:53:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain More blonde jokes... just what I need... @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > Three blondes died in a car crash trying to jump the Grand > Canyon and are at the pearly gates of heaven. St Peter tells > them that they can enter the gates only if they can answer > one simple religious question. > > The question posed by St. Peter is "What is Easter"? > > The first blonde replies, "Oh, that's easy! It's the holiday > in November when everyone gets together, eats turkey and are > thankful..." > > "Wrong!, you are not welcome here, I'm afraid. You must go > to the other place!" replies St. Peter. He turns to the > second blond, and asks her the same question: "What is > Easter?" > > The second blonde replies, "Easter is the holiday in > December when we put up a nice tree, exchange presents, and > celebrate the birth of Jesus." > > St Peter looks at the second blonde, bangs his head on the > on the pearly gates in disgust and tells her she's wrong > and will have to join her friend in the other place. She is > not welcome in Heaven. He then peers over his glasses at the > third blonde and asks, "Do YOU know what Easter is"? > > The third blonde smiles confidently and looks St Peter in > the eyes, "I know what Easter is." > > "Oh?" says St Peter, incredulously. > > "Easter is the Christian holiday that coincides with the > Jewish celebration of Passover. Jesus and his disciples were > eating at the last supper and Jesus was later deceived and > turned over to the Romans by one of his disciples. The > Romans took him to be crucified and he was stabbed in the > side, made to wear a crown of thorns, and was hung on a > cross with nails through his hands and feet. He was buried > in a nearby cave which was sealed off by a large boulder." > > St Peter smiled broadly with delight. > > The third blonde continued... "Every year the boulder is > moved aside so that Jesus can come out and, if he sees his > shadow, there will be six more weeks of winter." > > > -------- > Thanks to Eric Aumen > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > QUESTION: Were hot dogs ever made of dogs? > > For the answer to this and other curious questions, > come to our Web page now: > > > Hell hath no fury like the lawyer of a woman scorned. > >  1,, Summary-line: 5-May oakapple2@yahoo.com #Re: In Defense of Ida Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15712; Wed, 5 May 99 18:01:29 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16624; Wed, 5 May 99 18:01:19 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA09993; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19990505215604.14718.rocketmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: In Defense of Ida Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: In Defense of Ida Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum I have a feeling that I kicked off this thread by saying IDA was the opera that I would drop (given the strictures of Unca Donald's hypothetical query). This was based on my fiduciary responsibility as director of a professional opera company trying to make room for another comparatively little known opera, not based on what I personally am most interested in seeing. There is much in what Jim Drew wrote with which I agree. IDA is one of the few Sullivan operas in which I feel the composer markedly improved on the raw material the librettist gave him. Most of the opera's problems I place at Gilbert's feet. The only number in which I cannot defend Sullivan's contribution is "Come, mighty must." I'd be curious to know what Jim sees in it. About Gilbert: Well, he committed a number of artistic crimes here. The libretto is neither fish nor foul. Gilbert retained a number of vulgarisms held over from his burlesque days, yet he was trying to elevate the piece to the more rarefied level of Savoy Opera. It is a shotgun wedding of two styles. Likewise, the ungainly three-act structure is the fruit of having adapted a formerly five-act play. Gilbert also committed a huge tactical error. Until IDA was written, the three great "stars" of the Savoy series were Grossmith, Barrington, and Temple. In all of the operas to that point, the story never went long without at least one of them on stage. Yet, in IDA, Gilbert wrote a libretto in which all three of the "stars" were out of the action for long stretches of the piece. In doing so, he created an opera that was ill suited to the type of company he and Sullivan had spent seven years assembling. It cannot have helped that the artist originally hired to play Ida dropped out relatively late in the game. Now, the fact that IDA was not a good fit for the D'Oyly Carte Company is not an intrinsic flaw of the work. But, it tends to be the case that *modern* G&S groups are stocked, in similar proportions, with the same type of artists that the Savoy had. This is one reason why IDA gives modern groups trouble. It is worth noting, by the way, that Hildebrand and Arac were both more prominently featured in Gilbert's play, THE PRINCESS, than they are in the opera. It was not manifest destiny that Gilbert had to reduce the size of all his stars' parts, and I consider it a blunder. Then, there is the object of the satire: women's education. At the time IDA was written, this topic was even more passe than aestheticism when PATIENCE was written. And, unlike the satire in PATIENCE (which can be read as a spoof on fads generally), the satire in IDA does not wear well. The heroine's iconoclasm is so seriously portrayed that the quip with which Gilbert finally disposes of it seems almost like a cheap shot. I think Tennyson had the better ending. In the poem, it is Gama's sons that are victorious, not Hilarion and his friends. Ida's gesture at the end, therefore, seems more magnanimous and heartfelt, because she has the upper hand. Here again, Gilbert blundered. It has occasionally been suggested that IDA is *not* a spoof on women's education, but a spoof on men who fail to take women's education seriously. I've yet to see a persuasive case for this, nor even to imagine how such an approach could be staged. In most productions I've attended, you could clearly see that the director was uncomfortable with the text as Gilbert left it. In the Oberlin IDA, one of Gayden Wren's few good ideas was to restore the Tennyson ending. I've seen a variety of solutions tried. In some ways, IDA is a boon to the director: Gilbert's concept is so clearly flawed that it welcomes improvement. I note that both Jim Drew's and Paul Scott's posts were in support of the score, and with this I agree. But, the libretto, despite many moments of isolated brilliance, has significant structural problems. Lest we lose perspective, I am speaking in relation to the high level that Gilbert reached elsewhere. I would question one of Paul's points. He said that IDA, not YEOMEN, is as close as Sullivan came to writing a grand opera with Gilbert. I'd be curious to know the basis for this statement. On what criteria does one measure "distance from grand opera"? While IDA does contain some of Sullivan's best work, he must have been uncomfortable with it. As houses at the Savoy started to dwindle, Sullivan wrote to Gilbert that he felt he had reached the end of his tether in "this class of piece." I am not aware that Sullivan ever wrote or spoke with any great fondness for this opera. He, too, must have found it wanting. === Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com  1,, Summary-line: 6-May cmajor@merchantsmgmt.com #FW: TOP 25 SAYINGS Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23881; Thu, 6 May 99 09:21:22 EDT Received: from administrator.merchantsmgmt.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19176; Thu, 6 May 99 09:21:26 EDT Received: by NT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <106SQ356>; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:27:57 -0400 Message-Id: <919508F09879D211BC6800C0F0164FE402DC11@NT> From: Cindy Major To: Tina , Andy , Robert , David , Withees Subject: FW: TOP 25 SAYINGS Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:27:56 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Cindy Major Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: Cindy Major To: Tina , Andy , Robert , David , Withees Subject: FW: TOP 25 SAYINGS Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:27:56 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Cindy Major Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain > TOP 25 SAYINGS WE'D LIKE TO SEE ON THOSE OFFICE INSPIRATIONAL POSTERS > > Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings, they did it by > killing all those who opposed them. > > If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos... then you probably > haven't completely understood the seriousness of the situation. > > Doing a job RIGHT the first time gets the job done. Doing the job WRONG > fourteen times gives you job security. > > Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. > > We put the "k" in "kwality." > > Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity > > A person who smiles in the face of adversity... probably has a > scapegoat. > > Plagiarism saves time. > > If at first you don't succeed, try management. > > Never put off until tomorrow what you can avoid altogether. > > TEAMWORK... means never having to take all the blame yourself. > > The beatings will continue until morale improves. > > Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups. > > We waste time, so you don't have to. > > Hang in there, retirement is only thirty years away! > > Go the extra mile. It makes your boss look like an incompetent slacker. > > A snooze button is a poor substitute for no alarm clock at all. > > When the going gets tough, the tough take a coffee break. > > INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY. > > Succeed in spite of management. > > Aim Low, Reach Your Goals, Avoid Disappointment. > > We waste more time by 8:00 in the morning than other companies do all > day. > > You pretend to work, and we'll pretend to pay you. > > Work: It isn't just for sleeping anymore. > >  1,, Summary-line: 6-May Iceman6@aol.com #Re: Need 8 NH ferrets for Lupron + misc stuff Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12922; Thu, 6 May 99 10:06:19 EDT Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA04247; Thu, 6 May 99 10:06:22 EDT Received: from Iceman6@aol.com (14457) by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 6HETa26070 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:05:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Iceman6@aol.com Message-Id: <579f61a2.2462fbc6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:05:58 EDT Subject: Re: Need 8 NH ferrets for Lupron + misc stuff To: opus@MIT.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 *** EOOH *** From: Iceman6@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:05:58 EDT Subject: Re: Need 8 NH ferrets for Lupron + misc stuff To: opus@MIT.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Didn't get any more ferrets needing Lupron. Did however, get the name of a vet in Weare, NH, Mike Dutton - 603 529 4999. He does 100s of ferret surgeries and is reasonable about price. Tipper is going in on the 11th. Assuming no complications it should cost $275 for the surgery (including an overnight stay) + $30 for the pre-op bloodwork. I can rationalize my way through that. Hillary is like your 2. Swollen vulva but no hair loss. I think I'll just continue nutritional support (Bob C's gravy) and start putting money aside for surgery on some future date. Anyway, 4 Ll'l Paws and Ferretwise and my local vet have nothing but praise for this guy and his expertise. Martha  1,, Summary-line: 7-May mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: joke Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29185; Fri, 7 May 99 08:35:08 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16419; Fri, 7 May 99 08:35:00 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10fjqE-00013v-00; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:34:59 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:34:52 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: "Litwin, Jennifer" , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: joke Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:34:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: "Litwin, Jennifer" , Chris Dickinson , Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: joke Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:34:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > > > A man who is driving a car is stopped by a police officer. > > > > The following exchange takes place.... > > > > The man says, "What's the problem officer?" > > > > > > Officer: You were going at least 75 in a 55 zone. > > > Man: No sir, I was going 65. > > > Wife: Oh, Harry. You were going 80. [Man gives his wife a dirty > > > look.] > > > > > > Officer: I'm also going to give you a ticket for your broken > tail > > > light > > > man: Broken taillight? I didn't know about a broken taillight! > > > > > > Wife: Oh Harry, you've known about that taillight for weeks. > [Man > > > gives his > > > wife another dirty look.] > > > Officer: I'm also going to give you a citation for not wearing > your > > > seat belt. > > > > > > Man: Oh, I just took it off when you were walking up to the car. > > > Wife: Oh, Harry, you never wear your seat belt. > > > > > > Man turns to his wife and yells: "Shut your damn mouth!" > > > Officer turns to the woman and asks, "Ma'am, does your husband > talk > > > to you this way all the time?" > > > > > > Wife says: "No, only when he's drunk." >  1,, Summary-line: 7-May cmajor@merchantsmgmt.com #Keep your fork Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA25448; Fri, 7 May 99 09:57:42 EDT Received: from administrator.merchantsmgmt.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07510; Fri, 7 May 99 09:57:45 EDT Received: by NT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <106SQPCP>; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:04:15 -0400 Message-Id: <919508F09879D211BC6800C0F0164FE402DC75@NT> From: Cindy Major To: Tina , Andy , Dad , Withees , David , Robert , Erika Subject: Keep your fork Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:04:14 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Cindy Major Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: Cindy Major To: Tina , Andy , Dad , Withees , David , Robert , Erika Subject: Keep your fork Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:04:14 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Cindy Major Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For those of you who don't like reading emails unless they are written by me (and you know who you are, Erika) read this one anyway. I think it will make you smile today. For those of you who've heard everything before (and you know who you are, Dad, David) read it anyway. For those of you who send me all sorts of crap on my email ( and you know who you are, Tina, Andy, Diane) stick this one in your archives. And for those of you who are my non-church going Husband (and you should REALLY know who you are) read it and ponder. Luv- me Keep Your Fork There was a woman who had been diagnosed with a terminal illness and had been given three months to live. So as she was getting her things "in order", she contacted her pastor and had him come to her house to discuss certain aspects of her final wishes. She told him which songs she wanted sung at the service, what scriptures she would like read, and what outfit she wanted to be buried in. The woman also requested to be buried with her favorite Bible. Everything was in order and the pastor was preparing to leave when the woman suddenly remembered something very important to her. "There's one more thing," she said excitedly. "What's that?" came the pastor's reply. "This is very important," the woman continued. "I want to be buried with a fork in my right hand." The pastor stood looking at the woman, not knowing quite what to say. "That surprises you, doesn't it?" the woman asked. "Well, to be honest, I'm puzzled by the request," said the pastor. The woman explained, "In all my years of attending church socials and potluck dinners, I always remember that when the dishes of the main course were being cleared, someone would inevitably lean over and say, "Keep your fork." It was my favorite part because I knew that something better was coming, like velvety chocolate cake or deep-dish apple pie. Something wonderful and with substance! So, I just want people to see me there in that casket with a fork in my hand and I want them to wonder 'What's with the fork?' Then I want you to tell them: "Keep your fork. The best is yet to come." The pastor's eyes welled up with tears of joy as he hugged the woman goodbye. He knew this would be one of the last times he would see her before her death. But he also knew that the woman had a better grasp of heaven than he did. She KNEW that something better was coming. At the funeral people were walking by the woman's casket and they saw the pretty dress she was wearing and her favorite Bible and the fork placed in her right hand. Over and over the pastor heard the question, "What's with the fork?" And over and over he smiled. During his message, the pastor told the people of the conversation he had with the woman shortly before she died. He also told them about the fork and about what it symbolized to her. The pastor told the people how he could not stop thinking about the fork and told them that they probably would not be able to stop thinking about it either. He was right. So the next time you reach down for your fork, let it remind you, oh, so gently, that the best is yet to come. May God bless you and keep you safe!  1,, Summary-line: 7-May mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09202; Fri, 7 May 99 15:18:10 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00679; Fri, 7 May 99 15:17:59 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10fq7z-0006wd-00; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:17:44 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:17:26 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: "Bell, Mitchell" , "Christ-Janer, Katherine" Subject: FW: Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:17:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: "Bell, Mitchell" , "Christ-Janer, Katherine" Subject: FW: Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:17:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > Think of a letter from A to W. Repeat it out loud while you scroll > down.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep going..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now think of an animal that starts with that letter. Repeat that > animal to > yourself while you scroll down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now take the last letter of that animal and think of a male name that > starts with that letter. Repeat that name slowly while you scroll > down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now name your index finger that name and shove it up your ass, you > stupid > e-mail game-playing bastard. Get back to work. > > >  1,, Summary-line: 8-May eichin@thok.org #more alternative boardgames... Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10816; Sat, 8 May 99 23:18:37 EDT Received: from marbles.thok.org by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24244; Sat, 8 May 99 23:18:41 EDT Received: from eichin by marbles.thok.org with local (Exim 2.11 #1 (Debian)) id 10gK6q-0001qU-00; Sat, 8 May 1999 23:18:32 -0400 From: "Mark W. Eichin" To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: more alternative boardgames... Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 23:18:32 -0400 *** EOOH *** From: "Mark W. Eichin" To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: more alternative boardgames... Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 23:18:32 -0400 Linkname: The Melkor-Bradley Home Page URL: http://www.speakeasy.org/~ohh/mbmain.htm Reminds me of "Kill Dr. Lucky", but in the other direction... Clue II: Masque of the Red Death Finding The Murderer Is The Easy Part. The Challenge Is Getting Out Alive. In this long-awaited sequal to Parker Brothers' game of Clue, Masque of the Red Death takes you inside the elegant mansions of Edgar Allan Poe's decadent aristocrat, Prince Prospero. At the height of the Prince's great masquerade, Prospero is struck down in a death of supreme horror. Only an empty costume remains with the corpse. Was the murder done by Colonel Mustard, in the Blue Room, with the candlestick? Or was it the Red Death in a nightmarish retribution for Prospero's prideful, uncaring decadence? Can you solve the mystery and escape the accursed mansion before the Red Death claims you all? Game includes board, die, six game markers, deck of 25 clue cards, solution envelope, six weapon tokens, two pads of tally sheets, and vial of the Red Death virus (not shown). "Clue" is a registered trademark of Parker Brothers.  1,, Summary-line: 9-May eichin-mmmravs@thok.org #MMMRavs pilot app 0.2.2. Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24586; Sun, 9 May 99 01:10:05 EDT Received: from marbles.thok.org by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05954; Sun, 9 May 99 01:09:49 EDT Received: from eichin by marbles.thok.org with local (Exim 2.11 #1 (Debian)) id 10gLqb-0001yV-00; Sun, 9 May 1999 01:09:53 -0400 To: rav_eaters@MIT.EDU Subject: MMMRavs pilot app 0.2.2. From: eichin-mmmravs@thok.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: "Mark W. Eichin" Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 01:09:53 -0400 *** EOOH *** To: rav_eaters@MIT.EDU Subject: MMMRavs pilot app 0.2.2. From: eichin-mmmravs@thok.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: "Mark W. Eichin" Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 01:09:53 -0400 I've done an updated release of the Mary Chung's menu Pilot app that many of you have seen before. This release has the (long overdue) updated prices and a few minor cleanups - if you actually *use* the app at Mary's, you should definitely (1) update (2) email me to get on my announcement list. http://www.thok.org/ and follow the pilot links (I have a site reorganization pending and a more direct pointer would be out of date soon, sorry.) _Mark_ The Herd Of Kittens  1,, Summary-line: 9-May enl069@abdn.ac.uk #Miya Sama. Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19549; Sun, 9 May 99 15:47:19 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16472; Sun, 9 May 99 15:47:26 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA28474; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: enl069@abdn.ac.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "J. Derrick McClure" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Miya Sama. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0.9 *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: enl069@abdn.ac.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "J. Derrick McClure" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Miya Sama. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0.9 MIYA = lord, prince. SAMA = a form of address showing great respect ON- = an honorific prefix. UMA = horse NO = something like a possessive, like 'S in English. MAE = front NI = in, at. (HONOURABLE HORSE'S FRONT IN, in Japanese word order, means "in front of (your) honourable horse") PIRA-PIRA = an onomatope suggesting fluttering - Japanese is full of these. SURU = do. NO (a different NO from the last time) = thing. (FLUTTER-DO THING = "the thing that flutters".) NAN = what. D'YA (that's the Romanisation that the Japanese officially prefer, not Gilbert's GIA which is not an official Romanisation at all but the spelling of a similarly-pronounced Italian word) = IS. NA = a sort of vocalised question mark (in the modern language it's KA). And if you piece all that together, you'll see that "Your Majesty, Your Majesty, what is the thing that flutters in front of your imperial charger?" is quite accurate! By the way, the Japanese word for "garden" is NIWA. I suppose a Mancunian accent might make ON-UMA sould quite like ON-NIWA - but the lione would then mean "in front of the garden", not "in the front garden", as far as I can see. Derrick McClure. (Baka na hitotati ga watasi ga kitigai da to omou no ni taihen manzoku suru hito desu.) ---------------------- J. Derrick McClure, Department of English, King's College, Aberdeen University, Old Aberdeen AB24 2UB, Scotland. Phone 01224-272625 Fax 01224-272624 e-mail: j.d.mcclure@abdn.ac.uk  1,, Summary-line: 12-May KurtK007@aol.com #Fwd: No subject given Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10635; Wed, 12 May 99 12:20:32 EDT Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05087; Wed, 12 May 99 12:20:38 EDT Received: from KurtK007@aol.com (14445) by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id oFCMa24056; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:14:17 -0400 (EDT) From: KurtK007@aol.com Message-Id: <127de5e8.246b02d8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:14:16 EDT Subject: Fwd: No subject given To: rac@bu.edu, acarlton@cpsdirect.com, Oompahfish@aol.com, Lau425@aol.com, scott@hup.harvard.edu, opus@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, NorthPup@aol.com, djoseph1@bright.net, kevin.kendall@polymerland.com, Piglet3@aol.com, sonya_p13@yahoo.com, Lonnie@kccon.com, ajr-asid@juno.com, DonnaRslr@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_127de5e8.246b02d8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 *** EOOH *** From: KurtK007@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:14:16 EDT Subject: Fwd: No subject given To: rac@bu.edu, acarlton@cpsdirect.com, Oompahfish@aol.com, Lau425@aol.com, scott@hup.harvard.edu, opus@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, NorthPup@aol.com, djoseph1@bright.net, kevin.kendall@polymerland.com, Piglet3@aol.com, sonya_p13@yahoo.com, Lonnie@kccon.com, ajr-asid@juno.com, DonnaRslr@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_127de5e8.246b02d8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 --part1_127de5e8.246b02d8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tee hee.... -Kurt --part1_127de5e8.246b02d8_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:43:25 -0400 Received: from firewall.manulife.com (ents-gw.manulife.com [167.92.115.15]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id KAA25171; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:43:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Cynthia_Janeczko@manulife.com Received: by firewall.manulife.com; id KAA07018; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:44:16 -0400 Received: from mlilhub01.manulife.com(167.92.146.196) by firewall.manulife.com via smap (4.1) id xmab05324; Wed, 12 May 99 10:43:04 -0400 Received: by MLILHUB01@manulife.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id 8525676F.005034E8 ; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:36:04 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: MANULIFE To: milesb@erols.com, spenbrooks@aol.com, Charles.Chapman@JAMESMARTIN.COM, brendan_cosgrove@hotmail.com, sean_cosgrove@hotmail.com, millions1@aol.com, jfletcher@ctgcorp.com, grfortin@breezy.com, cuffs25@hotmail.com, Jennifer_L_Haumann@fleet.com, dawnhuggin@aol.com, KurtK007@aol.com, mike.kirshner@born.com, mookie108@hotmail.com, cop42194@aol.com, JIMJOKELLY@aol.com, cnaper@dnsww.com, dtaylor@judge.com, SWinsor@cramerprod.com Message-ID: <8525676F.005033DD.00@MLILHUB01@manulife.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:41:16 -0400 Subject: Fwd: No subject given Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cynthia T. Janeczko Sales Coordinator, Manulife Financial - Boston Sales Office Ph:(800)873-1025; Fax (781)768-5547 "If you can dream it, you can do it." Walt Disney ---------------------- Forwarded by Cynthia Janeczko/US Division/Manulife on 05/12/99 10:40 AM --------------------------- maieta@woodlogan.com on 05/12/99 10:30:35 AM To: wdarren@smenewmedia.com, TTHORNTON@BAINCAP.COM, rhodgkins@gza.com, Nancy Preziosi/US Division/Manulife, kinvara24@aol.com, Jean-Marc Laverdure/US Division/Manulife, Cynthia Janeczko/US Division/Manulife, myumibanda@woodlogan.com, mmcclellan@woodlogan.com cc: Subject: No subject given Top 10 reasons e-mail is like a penis: > > > >(10) Those who have it would be devastated if it was ever cut off. > > > >(9) Those who have it think that those who don't are somehow inferior. > > > >(8) Those who don't have it may agree that it's neat, but think it's not > > worth the fuss that those who have it make about it. > > > >(7) Many of those who don't have it would like to try it, a phenomenon > > psychologists call "E-mail Envy." > > > >(6) It's more fun when it's up, but this makes it hard to get any real work > >done. > > > >(5) In the distant past, its only purpose was to transmit information > > vital to the survival of the species. Some people still think that's > > the only thing it should be used for, but most folks today use it > mostly > >for > > fun. > > > >(4) If you don't take proper precautions, it can spread viruses. > > > >(3) We attach an importance to it that is far greater than its actual > > size and influence warrant. > > > >(2) If you're not careful what you do with it, it can get you into > > a lot of trouble. > > > > > >And the number one reason Why E-mail is like a penis: > > > > If you play with it too much, you'll go blind. --part1_127de5e8.246b02d8_boundary--  1, answered,, Summary-line: 12-May rac@bu.edu #QUESTION Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23806; Wed, 12 May 99 15:11:12 EDT Received: from ACS4.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17145; Wed, 12 May 99 15:10:59 EDT Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs4.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0.ACS)/) with SMTP id PAA230686 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:11:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:11:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: David Jedlinsky Subject: QUESTION Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:11:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: David Jedlinsky Subject: QUESTION Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So. If I were to take the Gondoliers CD and copy the files to my web site, could people download WinAmp and listen to the files? I think it would work... do you think that woudl be an OK thing to do? :o) :o) :o) multimedia becca  1,, Summary-line: 13-May dcraven@tradelaw.com #Re: "Reflect" Lyrics Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09645; Thu, 13 May 99 10:42:28 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23097; Thu, 13 May 99 10:42:36 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA25206; Thu, 13 May 1999 10:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990513093250.00eef988@pop.enteract.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: dcraven@tradelaw.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: David Craven To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: "Reflect" Lyrics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: dcraven@tradelaw.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: David Craven To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: "Reflect" Lyrics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) At 08:19 PM 5/12/1999 -0400, Marc Shepherd wrote: >As a purely legalistic matter, whether one requires anybody's >permission to recite (not sing) any of the various versions of these >lyrics is questionable, and that was what I interpreted Phil >Sternenberg to be asking. But, it is fortunate that very few people >operate on the basis of doing the minimum legally required of them, and >it is only common professional courtesy to consult with Bruce & Helga, >as the Montreal group did. I will be interested to hear the size of the rights fees for performing this song. I am afraid that if the fee is high enough to properly compensate the discoverers, most companies will decide not to perform the song. It is a catch-22. On one hand, Pinafore has been very successful without this piece, and on the other, the new song might attract a small number of additional audience members. Since the new song will add more cost, I am afraid many companies will simply omit it. This is not unique to G&S. I have decided to work on another Finzi Song Cycle. I went down to the vestigial remains of the Music Stores in Chicago. Only two Finzi Cycles were in stock... "Lets Us Garlands Bring" and "By Footpath and Stile" I had the first, so I purchased the second... $24, because the music store had purchased it in 1985. I asked about the cost of a second for my pianist, and discovered that the score is now $55. I decided against this, and the music dealer remarked that several publishing house, including Boosey and Hawkes, the publisher of this work, had raised prices to such a level that much of their material was simply not salable. -- Now I see that this is a dilemma. Sales are not high of a particular work. In order to get an acceptable amount of revenue, the publisher raises the price, which causes a further reduction in sales, and yet another price increase. In the world of G&S, this appears to have been the fate of Grand Duck and Utopia, Ltd, and to a lesser extent, Princess Ida and Sorcerer. My concern is that, at some point, the other scores are going to be sufficiently saturated so as to result in a drop in their demand, followed by a price raise of major magnitude. The only possible saving grace for G&S is the fact that much of the work is out of copyright, and things like the Utopia project, in which one Savoynetter is in the process of preparing a new edition of Utopia with desktop software such that he can print custom versions for any company putting on the show at a reasonable price. Its a sad business, and I am interested in hearing how the Perry-Miller's propose to handle this to provide the reasonable return to which they are entitled while not so limiting demand so as to prevent the discovery from being heard...  1,, Summary-line: 13-May mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Graffiti Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA11389; Thu, 13 May 99 14:19:03 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21203; Thu, 13 May 99 14:18:48 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10i040-0005bs-00; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:18:32 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:18:28 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Jaques, Sabrina" , "Litwin, Jennifer" , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: Graffiti Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:18:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Jaques, Sabrina" , "Litwin, Jennifer" , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: Graffiti Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:18:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > > Restroom Graffiti > > > > The best way to a man's heart is to saw his breast plate open. > > Women's restroom, Murphy's, Champaign, IL > > > > If you voted for Clinton in the last election, you can't take a > dump > > here. Your asshole is in Washington. > > Men's room Outback Steakhouse, Tacoma, Washington > > > > Beauty is only a light switch away. > > Perkins Library, Duke University, Durham, North Carolina. > > > > I've decided that to raise my grades I must lower my standards. > > > Houghton Library, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts. > > > > If life is a waste of time, and time is a waste of life, then > let's > > all get wasted together and have the time of our lives. > > Armand's Pizza, Washington, D.C. > > > > Remember, it's not, "How high are you?" it's "Hi, how are you?" > > > Rest stop off Route 81, West Virginia. > > > > God made pot. Man made beer. Who do you trust? > > The Irish Times, Washington, D.C. > > > > No matter how good she looks, some other guy is sick and tired > of > > putting up with her crap. > > Men's Room, Linda's Bar and Grill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina. > > > > To do is to be. -Descartes > > To be is to do. -Voltaire > > Do be do be do. -Frank Sinatra > > Men's restroom, Greasewood Flats, Scottsdale, Arizona. > > > > At the feast of ego, everyone leaves hungry. > > Bentley's House of Coffee and Tea, Tucson, Arizona > > > > It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere. > > Written in the dust on the back of a bus, Wickenburg, Arizona. > > > > Make love, not war. - Hell, do both, get married > > > > God is dead. - Nietzsche > > Nietzsche is dead. - God > > The Tombs Restaurant, Washington, D.C. > > > > If voting could really change things, it would be illegal. > > Revolution Books, New York, New York > > > > A Woman's Rule of Thumb: If it has tires or testicles, you're > going > > to > > have trouble with it. > > Women's restroom, Dick's Last Resort, Dallas, Texas. > > > > Don't trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die. > > Men's restroom, Murphy's, Champaign, IL > > > > If pro is opposite of con, then what is the opposite of > progress? > > > > Express Lane: Five beers or less > > Sign over one of the urinals, > > Ed Debevic's, Phoenix,AZ. > > > > You're too good for him. > > Sign over mirror in Women's restroom, Ed Debevic's, Beverly > Hills,CA. > > > > No wonder you always go home alone. > > Sign over mirror in Men's restroom, > > Ed Debevic's, Beverly Hills, CA. > > > > What are you looking up on the wall for? The joke is in your > hands. > > Men's restroom, Lynagh's, Lexington, Kentucky.  1,, Summary-line: 13-May rlcarr@MIT.EDU #Massachusetts GIS info Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03814; Thu, 13 May 99 16:22:08 EDT Received: from BIOHAZARD-CAFE.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06787; Thu, 13 May 99 16:21:56 EDT Received: by biohazard-cafe.mit.edu (8.8.7/4.7) id QAA21782; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905132022.QAA21782@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> From: Rich Carreiro To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Massachusetts GIS info *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:22:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Carreiro To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Massachusetts GIS info Those of you who know about the photos available at http://ortho.mit.edu may find http://maps.massgis.com interesting. You can generate all sorts of maps (height contours, land use, locations of anadromous fish (really! :), and a whole host of other things) on the fly and then print out your maps. It uses a Java applet. Rich Carreiro ARPA: rlcarr@mit.edu UUCP: ...!mit.edu!rlcarr BITNET: rlcarr%mit.edu@mitvma.edu  1,, Summary-line: 14-May dduffey@argonet.co.uk #The authorship question answered Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15654; Fri, 14 May 99 03:09:49 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26603; Fri, 14 May 99 03:09:38 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id DAA20386; Fri, 14 May 1999 03:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 03:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <000101be9dd7$7548fe40$8f5095c1@oemcomputer> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: dduffey@argonet.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "David Duffey" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: The authorship question answered Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 03:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: dduffey@argonet.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "David Duffey" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: The authorship question answered Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 I am happy to report new and incontrovertible evidence as to the real author of the Savoy librettos. Debate has long ranged about the identity of the real author, and F C Burnand and George Grossmith have been occasionally nominated, but I am at last able to publish proof positive that the name by which the operas have been known for so many years, the "Gilbert and Sulliva operas", is in fact the correct appellation. In 1950 I began an exhaustive analysis of the text of the Savoy Operas using a critical intertextual technique derived from Shakespeare studies, which has long recognised that the use of a palindrome in the text signals a cryptic clue. I have lately discovered that there are two characters in the Savoy canon with palindromic names: Ada and Hannah. Consider their lines. Ada herself utters a palindrome, "ma'am", thus signalling a further clue. We do not have far to look, she almost at once then says, "... can't come out today!" (note the exclamation mark!). This is a clear indication that the real author is not prepared to reveal his or her identity, and possibly the first recorded use of the phrase, "come out" in the sense of making a disclosure. By the time of Ruddigore the hidden author was beginning to weary of concealment, indeed was suffering the pangs of conscience. Another palindromic character, Hannah, utters the words, "Harkye miscreant", an anagram of "maskin' treachery", the idiomatic dropping of the final 'g' from 'masking' showing the depth of feeling. The final and clinching clue, however, lies in the fact that, in Iolanthe, the name "Tolloller" was originally to have been the palindrome "Tollollot". This first use of a palindromic name is a clear reference to another famous palindromic pseudonym, "Bab". So read Tollollot's words as if they came from Bab, and we find the famous line "We were boys together, at least I was." This is a clear and quite transparent reference to the real author. Only one person could have put those words into the mouth of Bab, the only person whom Bab can have been a boy with, namely William Gilbert, his father. Thus it is revealed for the first time that a William Gilbert did write the Gilbert and Sullivan operas, but not William S Gilbert, rather it was his father, William Gilbert the Navel Surgeon, who, finding scant reward in so limited a specialism, gave up medicine and took to writing. William Gilbert died in 1890, and rather than argue that the works published after that date were held back by D'Oyly Carte to be released later for profitable exploitation, I am prepared to concede might have been written by William S Gilbert. This would of course account for the remarkable dropping off in quality of writing after 1890. I respectfully submit the above for peer moderation D J Duffey Cl. OT.  1,, Summary-line: 14-May jmdesq@aug.com #Re: The authorship question answered Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06347; Fri, 14 May 99 07:26:12 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14557; Fri, 14 May 99 07:26:01 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id HAA25850; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <001e01be9dfb$65e7e140$fb4fd8cd@T1> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: jmdesq@aug.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Jim" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: The authorship question answered Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: jmdesq@aug.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Jim" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: The authorship question answered Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 I congratulate David on his very impressive research; my only slight quibble is with the result. It should be obvious to any reflective person that the Gilbert canon was penned by Edward Albert, Prince of Wales. The evidence is quite compulsive. After the relative failure of Thespis (which I believe WAS written by Gilbert) Prince Albert (a close friend of Sullivan) used Gilbert as a front for his theatrical ambitions. The Prince was born on 9 November 1841, Gilbert about five years earlier. An anagram for Edward's name is "Ban Elder Wit". Obviously a reference to Gilbert. Another possibility is the reading which enjoins him to "Wield Banter". Remember too, what the newly knighted Sir Arthur presented to Queen Victoria after the ceremony--a complete edition of the Savoy Operas written to that date--operas penned in collaboration with her eldest son! Within the operas themselves, we can easily see Edwin in Trial by Jury (note the close similarity of names) as a self-caricature of Edward. Take the birthdate: 9/11 takes us to the ninth opera (after Thespis), Gondoliers, wherein the ninth line of the denouement is "I hid the prince away"! In Ida, does not Hilarion claim, "Still I was a tiny prince"? And consider all of King Paramount's protestations of authorship! The most telling of these is, of course, "These paragraphs were written and contributed by me!" Don't forget, as well, that this Royal claims to have written quite a good comic opera of which he is considerably proud. The clincher, for me, is in Grand Duke where the Royal ghost writer reminds us the "ghost is written "ghoest"! Note that the emendation is simply the addition of an "E"--which obviously stands for Edward! There is little question that the humble son of a Naval Surgeon could not have written these sophisticated plays. It had to have been a nobler soul, with access to a higher level of rank and education than poor W.S.G. I thin, though, that David's solution leaves a little to be desired. I think all will agree that Prince Albert is a much better candidate. Thank you, Jim Drew > Thus it is revealed for the first time that a William Gilbert did write the > Gilbert and Sullivan operas, but not William S Gilbert, rather it was his > father, William Gilbert the Navel Surgeon, who, finding scant reward in so > limited a specialism, gave up medicine and took to writing. William Gilbert > died in 1890, and rather than argue that the works published after that date > were held back by D'Oyly Carte to be released later for profitable > exploitation, I am prepared to concede might have been written by William S > Gilbert. This would of course account for the remarkable dropping off in > quality of writing after 1890. > > I respectfully submit the above for peer moderation > > D J Duffey Cl. OT. > >  1,, Summary-line: 14-May mike@iologic.u-net.com #Don Alhambra's business Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04834; Fri, 14 May 99 13:35:00 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02463; Fri, 14 May 99 13:35:08 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA07743; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <01be9e2e$6d8b9120$LocalHost@iologic.u-net.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: mike@iologic.u-net.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Mike Nash" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Don Alhambra's business Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mike@iologic.u-net.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Mike Nash" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Don Alhambra's business Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 Regarding "business" for Don Alhambra during "I Stole The Prince". When I played Don A. five years ago, I stood still, centre stage, for most of the song, trying to look dignified and stately. The only movements I made were on "I dropped a Grand Inquisitor's tear", at which I paused, sobbed, pulled out a handkerchief, wiped away an imaginary tear, blew my nose and then wrung out the handkerchief (thoroughly disgusting). I moved across to Caslida to sing the final verse directly to her. The year before, I played the Duke of P.T. and we (myself, the Duchess and Casilda) had what I believe was "Traditional Business" to do, while the Don sang the song centre stage. We sat down at a table outside a "restaurant" (the front of the restaurant was painted on the wings at one side). A waiter then served up plates of spaghetti. Casilda and the Duchess had merely to pick at their food but I had to shovel it down my gullet like there was no tomorrow. It was that tinned spaghetti in "tomato" sauce that tastes of zinc, and it was cold. Fortunately I didn't have to say or sing anything apart from the unison responses at the end of each verse of the Don's song, until the beginning of "Try We Lifelong". This was just as well, because I was heaving by the end of the Don's song. One night I felt as if I was about to throw up on stage - I didn't. After that, choking on a sausage roll in "Grand Duke" was nothing. Mike. "Ain't I a bad character!"  1,, Summary-line: 14-May mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: :-) New definitions Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22698; Fri, 14 May 99 14:21:06 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05832; Fri, 14 May 99 14:20:54 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10iMYE-00056r-00; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:19:14 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:19:12 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: 'Shawn Charton' , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: :-) New definitions Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:19:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: 'Shawn Charton' , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: :-) New definitions Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:19:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Makes one proud to be an English Major... that poetic license comes in handy... @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > > > The Washington POST recently had a contest for readers in which > they > > > were asked to supply possible alternate meanings for various > words. > > > The following were some of the winning entries: > > > > > > Abdicate - v., to give up all hope of ever having a flat > stomach. > > > > > > Balderdash - n., a rapidly receding hairline. > > > > > > Bustard - n., a very rude Metrobus driver. > > > > > > Carcinoma - n., a valley in California, notable for its heavy > smog. > > > > > > Circumvent - n., the opening in the front of boxer shorts. > > > > > > Coffee - n., a person who is coughed upon. > > > > > > Esplanade - v., to attempt an explanation while drunk. > > > > > > Flabbergasted - adj., appalled over how much weight you have > gained. > > > > > > Flatulence - n., the emergency vehicle that picks you up after > you > > > are run over by a steamroller. > > > > > > Gargoyle - n., an olive-flavored mouthwash. > > > > > > Lymph - v., to walk with a lisp. > > > > > > Marionettes - n., residents of Washington, DC who have been > jerked > > > around by the former mayor. > > > > > > Negligent - adj., describes a condition in which you > absent-mindedly > > > answer the door in your nightie. > > > > > > Oyster - n., a person who sprinkles his conversation with > Yiddish > > > expressions. > > > > > > Rectitude - n., the formal, dignified demeanor assumed by a > > > proctologist immediately before he examines you. > > > > > > Semantics - n., pranks conducted by young men studying for the > > > priesthood, including such things as gluing the pages of > > > > the priest's prayer book together just before vespers. > > > > > > Testicle - n., a humorous question on an exam. > > > > > > Willy - nilly-adj., impotent. >  1,, Summary-line: 14-May AAllen@welchs.com #Damn Yankees Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12946; Fri, 14 May 99 15:12:21 EDT Received: from mail.welchs.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22807; Fri, 14 May 99 15:12:08 EDT Received: by SRVEX10 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:14:21 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: Damn Yankees Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:14:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Allen, Amy" To: "'scott@hup.harvard.edu'" , "'rac@bu.edu'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" Subject: Damn Yankees Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:14:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Got one of the female leads at Fiddlehead! The role of Meg, wife of Joe the main character...I can't WAIT. Scott, has Jen gotten a call yet from them? She will probably get Lola. She was fab......if that's the case, then I expect ALL of you at the show in June...WOW...June.....that's awfully soon, isn't it? -AEA ~Amy E. Allen~  1,, Summary-line: 16-May stpat47@yahoo.com #Fwd: Fwd: Fw: George Carlinisms Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12120; Sun, 16 May 99 08:12:10 EDT Received: from web136.yahoomail.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA04632; Sun, 16 May 99 08:12:19 EDT Message-Id: <19990516121514.4912.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.67.2.63] by web136.yahoomail.com; Sun, 16 May 1999 05:15:14 PDT Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 05:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Patricia McDonald Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Fw: George Carlinisms To: David Owen , Catherine Poulin , Laurie Tema-Lyn , "Bill Kelley, Jr. Will1733" , David John ZDwyer , Scott Gagnon , John and Joyce Harrahy , Janices Home , Jeanne JaRoussel , David Jedlinsky , Joey Lalmond1 , Jay Latulippe , ",Ann McDonald" , Peter James Bridges , Rebecca Consentino , Winnie and Bob Creed , Barbara Dougherty , Bob Dwyer , David Patrick Dwyer , Sarah Fachada , Maria Forger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-846930886-926856914=:2398" *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 05:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Patricia McDonald Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Fw: George Carlinisms To: David Owen , Catherine Poulin , Laurie Tema-Lyn , "Bill Kelley, Jr. Will1733" , David John ZDwyer , Scott Gagnon , John and Joyce Harrahy , Janices Home , Jeanne JaRoussel , David Jedlinsky , Joey Lalmond1 , Jay Latulippe , ",Ann McDonald" , Peter James Bridges , Rebecca Consentino , Winnie and Bob Creed , Barbara Dougherty , Bob Dwyer , David Patrick Dwyer , Sarah Fachada , Maria Forger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-846930886-926856914=:2398" --0-846930886-926856914=:2398 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Note: forwarded message attached. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com --0-846930886-926856914=:2398 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: stpat47@yahoo.com via mdd103.yahoomail.com Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.9) by mta117.yahoomail.com with SMTP; 15 May 1999 17:05:47 -0700 Received: from PStrecker@aol.com (3705) by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id xIPMa10989; Sat, 15 May 1999 20:03:13 -0400 (EDT) From: PStrecker@aol.com Message-ID: <269803de.246f6540@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:03:12 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: George Carlinisms To: DKBookBiz@aol.com, MYoungs@aol.com, Pmst133@aol.com, BStrec@concentric.net, JudyHigh@worldnet.att.net, guyww1@juno.com, JEGRANT@techdata.com, amparo.smith@gte.net, JPWalker@aol.com, dvincent@cwix.com, roy-el@juno.com, loisdori@citrus.infi.net, Pkot@aol.com, mperry1@hadco.com, PWacaster@aol.com, Onebzymom@aol.com, CandyWon@aol.com, jewels33@webtv.net, KHagler@juno.com, bksmith@dow.com, BeccaG2@aol.com, hburruss@gte.net, BCOOLCHUCK@aol.com, Cris02@aol.com, stpat47@yahoo.com, Steve2sail@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_269803de.246f6540_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Content-Length: 9596 --part1_269803de.246f6540_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/15/99 12:29:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, IVYDCBP@prodigy.net writes: << > >>>>>>>>>>GEORGE CARLINISMS > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown > >>>>>>>>>> too? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If you ate pasta and antipasti, would you still be hungry? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why do women wear evening gowns to nightclubs? Shouldn't they > >>>>>>>>>> be wearing night gowns? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that when we bounce a check, the bank charges us more > >>>>>>>>>> of what they already know we don't have any of? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> When someone asks you, A penny for your thoughts and you put > >>>>>>>>>> your two cents in, what happens to the other penny? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why do croutons come in airtight packages? It's just stale > >>>>>>>>>> bread to begin with. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> When cheese gets it's picture taken, what does it say? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If you mixed vodka with orange juice and milk of magnesia, > >>>>>>>>>> would you get a Phillip's Screwdriver? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is a person who plays the piano called a pianist, but a > >>>>>>>>>> person who drives a race car not called a racist? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why can't you make another word using all the letters in > >>>>>>>>>> "anagram"? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that no word in the English language rhymes with > >>>>>>>>>> month, orange, silver, or purple? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why, when I wind up my watch, I start it; but when I wind up a > >>>>>>>>>> project, I end it? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that we recite at a play and play at a recital? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why are a wise man and a wise guy opposites? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why don't tomb, comb, and bomb sound alike? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why do overlook and oversee mean opposite things? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If horrific means to make horrible, does terrific mean to make > >>>>>>>>>> terrible? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why isn't 11 pronounced onety one? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> "I am." is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English > >>>>>>>>>> language. Could it be that "I Do." is the longest sentence? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If the singular of GEESE is GOOSE, shouldn't a Portuguese > >>>>>>>>>> person be called a Portugoose? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is a procrastinator's work never done? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If lawyers are disbarred and clergymen defrocked, doesn't it > >>>>>>>>>> follow that electricians can be delighted, musicians denoted, > >>>>>>>>>> cowboys deranged, models deposed, tree surgeons debarked > >>>>>>>>>> and drycleaners depressed? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that if someone tells you that there are 1 billion > >>>>>>>>>> stars in the universe you will believe them, but if they tell > >>>>>>>>>> you a wall has wet paint you will have to touch it to be sure? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Are people more violently opposed to fur rather than leather > >>>>>>>>>> because it's much easier to harass rich women than motorcycle > >>>>>>>>>> gangs? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If you take an Oriental person and spin him around several > >>>>>>>>>> times, does he become disoriented? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If people from Poland are called "Poles," why aren't people > >>>>>>>>>> from Holland called "Holes?" > > > > >> --part1_269803de.246f6540_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Sat, 15 May 1999 00:29:10 -0400 Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.59.211]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id AAA01992 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 00:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a6b9o2 (QNCYB111-23.splitrock.net [209.156.197.222]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA138504 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 00:29:08 -0400 Message-ID: <027201be9e8a$8a5d5340$dec59cd1@a6b9o2> From: "JOAN M BENT" To: "TRISH STRECKER" Subject: Fw: George Carlinisms Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:22:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Deana To: Peter Radasch ; Todd O'Brien ; Bill Karger ; KANDEL, ANNE ; Jamie Kachmarik ; Jose Freitas ; Chris D'Orio ; Ruth Cyr ; Betsy Clark ; Barton, Kirsten ; John Bailly ; Jeff Bailly Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 7:38 PM Subject: George Carlinisms > >>>>>>>>>>GEORGE CARLINISMS > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown > >>>>>>>>>> too? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If you ate pasta and antipasti, would you still be hungry? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why do women wear evening gowns to nightclubs? Shouldn't they > >>>>>>>>>> be wearing night gowns? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that when we bounce a check, the bank charges us more > >>>>>>>>>> of what they already know we don't have any of? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> When someone asks you, A penny for your thoughts and you put > >>>>>>>>>> your two cents in, what happens to the other penny? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why do croutons come in airtight packages? It's just stale > >>>>>>>>>> bread to begin with. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> When cheese gets it's picture taken, what does it say? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If you mixed vodka with orange juice and milk of magnesia, > >>>>>>>>>> would you get a Phillip's Screwdriver? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is a person who plays the piano called a pianist, but a > >>>>>>>>>> person who drives a race car not called a racist? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why can't you make another word using all the letters in > >>>>>>>>>> "anagram"? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that no word in the English language rhymes with > >>>>>>>>>> month, orange, silver, or purple? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why, when I wind up my watch, I start it; but when I wind up a > >>>>>>>>>> project, I end it? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that we recite at a play and play at a recital? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why are a wise man and a wise guy opposites? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why don't tomb, comb, and bomb sound alike? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why do overlook and oversee mean opposite things? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If horrific means to make horrible, does terrific mean to make > >>>>>>>>>> terrible? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why isn't 11 pronounced onety one? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> "I am." is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English > >>>>>>>>>> language. Could it be that "I Do." is the longest sentence? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If the singular of GEESE is GOOSE, shouldn't a Portuguese > >>>>>>>>>> person be called a Portugoose? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is a procrastinator's work never done? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If lawyers are disbarred and clergymen defrocked, doesn't it > >>>>>>>>>> follow that electricians can be delighted, musicians denoted, > >>>>>>>>>> cowboys deranged, models deposed, tree surgeons debarked > >>>>>>>>>> and drycleaners depressed? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that if someone tells you that there are 1 billion > >>>>>>>>>> stars in the universe you will believe them, but if they tell > >>>>>>>>>> you a wall has wet paint you will have to touch it to be sure? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Are people more violently opposed to fur rather than leather > >>>>>>>>>> because it's much easier to harass rich women than motorcycle > >>>>>>>>>> gangs? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If you take an Oriental person and spin him around several > >>>>>>>>>> times, does he become disoriented? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If people from Poland are called "Poles," why aren't people > >>>>>>>>>> from Holland called "Holes?" > > > > --part1_269803de.246f6540_boundary-- --0-846930886-926856914=:2398--  1,, Summary-line: 17-May mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: NEW VIRUS ALERT Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24071; Mon, 17 May 99 12:24:54 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA08433; Mon, 17 May 99 12:24:37 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10jQBy-00017W-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:24:39 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:24:34 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: NEW VIRUS ALERT Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:24:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: NEW VIRUS ALERT Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:24:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Watch out - this one is evil! @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products [RMB] > This is serious...a "WORK" virus is on the > loose... > > If you receive any sort of "work" at all, > whether via e-mail, internet, or simply > handed to you by a colleague...DO NOT OPEN > IT! The "work" virus has been circulating > round our building for months and those who > have been tempted to open it or even look at > it > have found that their social life is deleted > and the brain ceases to function properly. > > If you do encounter "work" via e-mail, then > to transmogrify the virus, send an e-mail to > your boss with the words, "I've had enough of > your shit...I'm off down the pub". The > "work" should automatically be forgotten by > your brain and your career will now be > successfully destroyed. > > If you receive "work" in paper document > form, simply lift the document and drag it to > your waste paper bin and deposit there. Put > on your hat and coat and skip to the nearest > pub with two friends and order 3 pints. > After repeating this action 14 times you will > find that "work" will no longer be of any > relevance to you. > > Send this message to everyone in your > mailbox. If you do not have anyone in your > mailbox, then I'm afraid the "work" virus has > already corrupted your life. Go out and get > some friends, you sad bastard. > > >  1,, Summary-line: 17-May mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: New Adam Sandler Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29167; Mon, 17 May 99 12:36:37 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11958; Mon, 17 May 99 12:36:24 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10jQN6-0001rT-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:36:09 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:36:01 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Litwin, Jennifer" , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: New Adam Sandler Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:36:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Litwin, Jennifer" , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: New Adam Sandler Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:36:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain DIRTY (Daddy, don't look) @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > This will make you roll!! > >>>Subject: The macarena by Adam Sandler > >>> >>>>>>>>>> The Masturbata > >>> >>>>>>>>>> (sung to tune of the Macarena) by Adam Sandler > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sitting in my house, and I know that I'm alona, > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Feeling kinda horny, got a jingle in my bona. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Go and grab a Penthouse it's the one with > Sharon > >>>Stona. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Masturbata!! > >>> >>>>>>>>>> I go a little faster and its feeling kind of > >>>nicea, > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Once ain't quite enough so I have to do it > twicea. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> If you wanna spank the monkey I can give you > good > >>>advicea. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Masturbata!! > >>> >>>>>>>>>> I use some baby oil or a little Vaselina, > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Laying down a towel so I keep my carpet cleana. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Never shake my hand cause you don't know where > its > >>>beena > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Masturbata!! > >>> >>>>>>>>>> I do it in the car when I'm driving down the > >>>streeta, > >>> >>>>>>>>>> One hand on the wheel and the other's on my > meata. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> I can't get out the car cause I'm sticking to > the > >>>seata. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Masturbata! > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Since I was a kid I have been a Masturbata, > >>> >>>>>>>>>> choke the chicken, hum the knob, squeezing the > >>>tomata. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> I've looked at Ms. November now I'n gonna > decorate > >>>her. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Masturbata! > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Buffing the banana, Mr. Lizard shaking bacona, > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Pounding on the flounder and its mayonnaise I'm > >>>makinga. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Spank the frank, wax the carrot, god my hand is > >>>achinga. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Masturbata! > >>> > > >  1,, Summary-line: 18-May mweems@erols.com #Article on how the brain processes math problems Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02392; Tue, 18 May 99 09:48:58 EDT Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03568; Tue, 18 May 99 09:48:42 EDT Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26046 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mweems (207-172-150-215.s24.as11.anp.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.150.215]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00550 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990518094042.007e6680@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: mweems@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:40:42 -0400 To: lsc-alums@martigny.ai.mit.edu From: Ken and Molly Weems Subject: Article on how the brain processes math problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: mweems@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:40:42 -0400 To: lsc-alums@martigny.ai.mit.edu From: Ken and Molly Weems Subject: Article on how the brain processes math problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Considering how many of us have the math bent, I thought this article was pretty interesting. It talks about two separate areas: one that names numbers and does calculations, and one that comes up with estimates. Anyway, here's the URL: http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/051199sci-brain-mathematics. html -- Molly (Carnell) Weems formerly MHC  1,, Summary-line: 18-May mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Heavenly Y2K Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA20921; Tue, 18 May 99 13:03:56 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16383; Tue, 18 May 99 13:04:07 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10jnHJ-0003xC-00; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:03:42 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:03:39 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: "Rozmus, Lori" , "Chiodo, Jane" , "Flynn, Kelly" Subject: FW: Heavenly Y2K Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:03:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Cc: "Rozmus, Lori" , "Chiodo, Jane" , "Flynn, Kelly" Subject: FW: Heavenly Y2K Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:03:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > HUMANITY WILL LAST ANOTHER 100 YEARS BECAUSE OF Y2K BUG > > Heaven - Representatives of the Heavenly Kingdom announced today that > they > will not be able to bring their Software into Y2K compliance before > the > millenium's end. As a result, the much anticipated event extravaganza > "The > Apocalypse" will not take place when the year 2000 arrives, since all > the > divine computers will mistakenly report the year as 1900. > > The scheduled second coming of Jesus Christ will be postponed as well, > although He does not rule out the possibility of a cameo appearance at > one > of the millenium bash. > > According to Heaven's Director of Internal Affairs Saint Michael, they > had > vastly underestimated the complexity of the system God created. "Back > in > the > early 90's," he explains "we thought the job would take 7 years. As it > turns > out, it is going to take at least 77 years." > > Adding to Heaven's woe is the dreadful shortage of qualified > personnel. > > "Right now we have a former priest and a dead hermit on the project, > who > happens to know programming. That's it," said Saint Peter, Director of > Soul > Resources. "Not a single programmer has entered Heaven in the last 30 > years, > for it's said in Matthew [19:24] 'it is easier for a camel to go > through > the > eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.' In > today's > hot job market, we simply can't compete." > > God has contemplated a number of unorthodox recruitment methods. One > plan, > code-named "Kiev," calls for the unleashing of Mongol heathens on > Redmond, > Washington. "We will turn them (Microsoft employees) into martyrs > whether > they like it or not," He said. > > In related news, hell's Y2K effort reportedly is also behind schedule, > despite the availability of programmers who inevitably go there after > they > died. > > "Our problem is related to the fact that all our code was written in a > fiendishly stupid language called LISP," the evil one explains. > > ? Copyright 1999 The New Jerk Times, All right reserved. > > > > > >  1,, Summary-line: 18-May -opus=mit.edu@onelist.com #ONElist confirm Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08037; Tue, 18 May 99 15:00:47 EDT Received: from www.onelist.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25797; Tue, 18 May 99 15:00:29 EDT Received: (qmail 24377 invoked by uid 99); 18 May 1999 19:00:15 -0000 Date: 18 May 1999 19:00:15 -0000 Message-Id: <927054015.24371@onelist.com> To: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: ONElist confirm From: ONElist Mailing-List: list confirm@onelist.com; contact http://www.onelist.com *** EOOH *** Date: 18 May 1999 19:00:15 -0000 To: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: ONElist confirm From: ONElist Mailing-List: list confirm@onelist.com; contact http://www.onelist.com Hello, This is the ONElist Mailing List Communities service. This is an automatic confirmation message from ONElist. You have been added by the moderator to the following list: dc-meeps Just us... 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To subscribe to new lists, change your current subscriptions, or start new lists, please visit the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com The ONElist Team  1,, Summary-line: 18-May mike@iologic.u-net.com #Re: David D's dilemma Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA17753; Tue, 18 May 99 18:10:07 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03138; Tue, 18 May 99 18:10:18 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA15696; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <01bea17a$98bc1e60$LocalHost@iologic.u-net.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: mike@iologic.u-net.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Mike Nash" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: David D's dilemma Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mike@iologic.u-net.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Mike Nash" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: David D's dilemma Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 Hi David, >Picture, if you will, the scene on the platform at Charing Cross Station, as >a big policeman, in great big boots, a helmet, a tunic, clutching a bottle >of wee, walks trouserless towards the ticket collector. Thanks for brightening up my evening! When a felon's been engaged upon the toilet (on the toilet) And been made to give a sample of his wee (of his wee) A young constable is called on to deploy it (to deploy it) For analysis to the laborat'ree (borat'ree) But a uniform is hot at height of summer (height of summer) So our hero loosens belt and takes a rest (takes a rest) Then a wasp flies down his trousers, what a bummer (what a bummer) And they're snatched away by Woolwich-bound express; Ah, when you're stranded at the station with no pants to put on, A policeman's lot is not a happy one, happy one. Mike. "Ain't I a bad character!"  1,, Summary-line: 18-May awrobins@hotmail.com #Frank Desprez Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27285; Tue, 18 May 99 18:46:47 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12252; Tue, 18 May 99 18:46:58 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA16552; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19990518223524.31278.qmail@hotmail.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: awrobins@hotmail.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Arthur Robinson" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Frank Desprez Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: awrobins@hotmail.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Arthur Robinson" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Frank Desprez Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum As threatened, I've searched a reference book (The British Musical Theatre, volume I 1865-1914, by Kurt Ganzl) for information on Frank Desprez, and here are the results--probably duplicating what Michael Walters, and possibly others, have already put in the G&S Archive. Here are some musical pieces by Desprez listed there (with a couple of biographical snippets thrown in): 1. Happy Hampstead (first produced 3 July 1876), a musical pastoral in one act; "a little piece by former Texas cowboy Frank Desprez set to music by "Mark Lynne"--that is to say, D'Oyly Carte.... Desprez, who had met Carte through a fortunate connection with Selina Dolaro, remained with him as secretary and confidant for many years." 2. After All (23 Dec. 1893, as an afterpiece to HMS Pinafore) "a vaudeville by Frank Desprez, music by Alfred Cellier" 3. Tita in Tibet (1 Jan 1879), a comic opera in two acts by Frank Desprez, withdrawn 18 January 1879. [This is set in the Tibetan town of Lum-ti-foo; any relation, perhaps, to Rum-ti-foo, where a certain bishop--his name was PETER, I believe--resided?] 4. In the Sulks (21 Feb 1880, withdrawn 2 April 1881) a vaudeville by Frank Desprez, music by Alfred Cellier 5. Mock Turtles (15 Oct. 1881, withdrawn 30 March 1883) a vaudeville by Frank Desprez, music by Eaton Fanning 6. A Private Wire (31 March 1883, withdrawn 1 Jan 1884) a vaudeville by Frank Desprez and Arnold Felix, music by Percy Reeve 7. The Carp (13 Feb. 1886) "a whimsicality in one act by Frank Desprez, music by Alfred Cellier" 8. Mrs. Jarramie's Genie (14 Feb. 1888, operetta by Frank Desprez, music by Alfred and Francois Cellier) 9. Delia (11 March 1889) "a romantic military comic opera by F. Soulbieu (Frank Desprez), music by Procida Bucalossi" 10. The Nautch Girl (30 June 1891-16 Jan. 1892), "an Indian comic opera in two acts by George Dance, lyrics by George Dance and Frank Desprez, music by Edward Solomon" 11. Brother George (16 May 1892) "a comic opera in 2 acts by Frank Desprez, music by Procida Bucalossi" There is further information about Desprez on p. 375: "The librettist for Delia who listed himself as 'F. Soulbieu' was in fact Frank Desprez, sometime righthand to D'Oyly Carte and now a writer for the Era. Desprez had supplied a number of useful short pieces to, notably, the Savoy, but Delia was his first attempt at a full-length work." A footnote adds: "In 1893 Desprez became editor of The Era, a post which he retained till 1913 when illness forced him into retirement." Arthur _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  1, forwarded,, Summary-line: 18-May rsf@sprucehill.com #Birth Announcement: Genevie Rose Breckenridge Finn Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23456; Tue, 18 May 99 23:39:55 EDT Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26703; Tue, 18 May 99 23:40:06 EDT Received: from mail.mil3.com (mail.mil3.com [198.81.248.20]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA04674 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.143.8.15] (168.143.8.15) by mail.mil3.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for lsc-alums@martigny.ai.mit.edu; 18 May 1999 23:45:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: rsf@pop.erols.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:39:42 -0400 To: LSC Alumni From: Russell Finn Subject: Birth Announcement: Genevie Rose Breckenridge Finn *** EOOH *** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: rsf@pop.erols.com Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:39:42 -0400 To: LSC Alumni From: Russell Finn Subject: Birth Announcement: Genevie Rose Breckenridge Finn Retta and I are pleased to announce the birth of our daughter Genevie Rose Breckenridge Finn on Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 7:22 pm (7 lb. 11 oz., 21 inches). Everyone is doing fine, except that Genevie hasn't quite figured out yet that nights are for sleeping and days are for waking, instead of the other way around. -- Russ -- Russell S. Finn rsf@sprucehill.com  1,, Summary-line: 19-May MusikDrama@aol.com #Re: At the bottom of a well. Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21361; Wed, 19 May 99 10:17:20 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15787; Wed, 19 May 99 10:17:04 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA10245; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <13db932.247420aa@aol.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: MusikDrama@aol.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: MusikDrama@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: At the bottom of a well. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: MusikDrama@aol.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: MusikDrama@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: At the bottom of a well. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 5/19/99 2:32:50 AM, enl069@abdn.ac.uk writes: << Does anybody know - are there any other literary uses of this expression from the period, was it a popular saying, or did Hood just pinch it from Burnand (and give it a small but clever elaboration)? >> I don't know about its status as a popular saying, but at the Mad Tea Party in "Alice in Wonderland" the Dormouse tells a story about three little sisters. "...their names were Elsie, Lacie and Tillie; and they lived at the bottom of a well." Martin Gardner, in "The Annotated Alice," explains the concept of treacle-wells for us (Alice: "Why did they live at the bottom of a well?" Dormouse: "It was a treacle-well."), but gives no further insights on the phrase "At the bottom of a well." For all I know, it WAS a popular expression; maybe there were even such things as "John Wellington wells" before "The Sorcerer" was written! Dragging us even further down into the well of off-topicness, Gardiner notes that "three little sisters" (hmm... three little maids?) refers to Alice Liddell (for whom the book was written; prounounced like "little"), and her two sisters. >From Gardiner's footnotes: "Elsie is L.C. (Lorina Charlotte), Tillie refers to Edith's family nickname Matilda, and Lacie is an anagram of Alice." One more feeble attempt to make this seem slightly on-topic: I note that both Alice and the Mad Hatter say "Exactly so!" at different points in the chapter. I guess one can't make much of that, however; there's no indication that either of them is singing at the time. It's a common enough expression, and Carroll wrote "Alice in Wonderland" in 1865, a full sixteen years before "Patience." Over to you, anybody with something more intelligent to say. Steve Lichtenstein MusikDrama@aol.com "Oh, put him away to bed!"  1, answered,, Summary-line: 19-May CJ@sftlaw.com #The party.... (aka SiriCon) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06561; Wed, 19 May 99 10:59:50 EDT Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA04894; Wed, 19 May 99 10:59:59 EDT Received: from SFT_PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:59:10 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:58:48 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: The party.... (aka SiriCon) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:58:48 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: The party.... (aka SiriCon) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Okay, Bj reminded me that maybe I *hadn't* told everyone.... There is NO big party at the landing on Saturday after the wedding; we're = running away, far far away (really far away... you'll get preprinted = postcards....). No big party on Saturday July3. The big party at the landing is being moved to August 27-29 (yes, the = whole weekend....); henceforth, "SiriCon", y'all can figure it out... It will include (subject to change on whim, but this list should be = close): 48hr Movie Marathon (yes, the first SW trilogy will be up, and = many of the other movies from the "greatest SF movies of all time" = discussion... and one or two of the worst...); CookOuting on the spiffy = came-with-the-house gas grill; Lawn Games (hey, our back/front/side yard = merges, this *should* be taken advantage of... lightsaber duel, anyone?), = Board Games (talisman, etc.), Crafts (like sure, no one will bring cross = stitch or leatherworking...), Ice Cream (possibly home-made...), Paddle = Boats and Carousels (we've got a lake with a rec area nearby) and, what = the heck, a LARP for anyone game (24hr max, probably closer to the usual = 30-sider nonsense, just with fun props and a treasure hunt (of sorts)). Wheeeeee! Te & Torc  1, forwarded,, Summary-line: 25-May oris@interlog.com #Millennium Singout Announcement Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA13546; Tue, 25 May 99 10:42:31 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06490; Tue, 25 May 99 10:42:12 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA00992; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990525103355.00883100@mail.interlog.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oris@interlog.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ori Siegel To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Millennium Singout Announcement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: oris@interlog.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ori Siegel To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Millennium Singout Announcement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Before I get to the point, I want to thank absolutely EVERYBODY who sent comments, advice, observations and encouragement to us when I requested feedback from the 'Net. Your response has been overwhelming and your comments have become the basis for several important decision. I would like to encourage one and all, whether you plan to attend or not, to continue offering up your comments. 1. Many, if not most, Savoynetters (myself included) will be happy to know that this will be the last appearance of the "M" word in connection with the Toronto Singout. At the Sunday meeting, the following name was adopted: G&S T2K: SINGOUT, EH? Being as sick to death of "Y2K" as we were of that "M" thing, we decided that TORONTO 2000, or T2K would do just fine. SINGOUT creates a continuity from the Rockville events. The expression "EH?" is a Canadianism made horribly popular by Bob and Doug MacKenzie's "Great White North" segment of Second City TV and was Elspeth's idea. You'll meet Elspeth. From now on, please use the Subject Header "T2K Singout" so that your e-mails can be quickly identified. 2. The following schedule has been adopted for the T2K Singout: Friday, August 18 5 pm - 7 pm: Registration, orientation and socializing 7 pm - 11 pm: First session A light reception (wine and cheese) will follow. The registration and information desks will be open throughout the event. Saturday, August 19 7 am - 9 am: Registration and socializing. Light refreshments will be provided. 9 am - 1 pm: Second session 1 pm - 2 pm: Lunch 2 pm - 7 pm: Third session 7 pm - 8 pm: Dinner 8 pm - midnightish: Fourth session. The registration and information desks will be open throughout the event. Sunday, August 20 Breakfast and farewells (not TOO early!) We chose this schedule because the majority of 'Netters replying to my queries suggested spreading the singing out over two days. Since Sunday is not an option for us at our chosed venue, Friday (most people's first choice in any case) was selected. We are building in brief break time between shows and scheduled meal breaks so everyone can get a bite and a rest. The main idea is to provide attendees with lots of opportunities to sing and socialize. There will not be a big reception on Friday. A small one will be held immediately following Session 1 after which attendees may retreat to either local watering holes or bed. 3. THE ORDER OF PRESENTATION HAS NOT BEEN MADE, so don't even ask! As well, and I mean this, DO NOT send requests for roles until next March. The word will go out. Any requests already received will be kept on file, but anything received between now and the casting call will likely become "lost". In fact, I would encourage those who have already made requests to repeat these requests next year just in case your earlier request gets lost in the shuffle. The same goes for prospective conductors. There will be plenty of time to bid on roles and shows. 4. I would like to introduce a new team member. Herschel Rosen is a very close friend and theatre associate who has volunteered to set up a database for all mailings and distribution. As well, Herschel will be producing the T2K Singout brochure which will be available in January. 5. The question was put to the 'Net regarding whether or not we should be doing every note of the canon. It has been pointed out by several individuals that the purpose of the Singout is to sing through the ENTIRE set of shows even though we will all agree that some numbers are ripe for cutting. The comments were very evenly split between "edit" and "every darned semi-quaver" which means that we will not be able to please everybody! So we've come to this decision: While we encourage conductors to consider doing the entire work, it will ultimately be the conductors' decision that will determine what gets cut and what doesn't. 6. The website is not ready. Watch for announcements in the near future. I've probably left stuff out of this missive, but I'm tired and on my way to bed. Please forward any comments to my e-mail address. cheers, Ori VA3ORI Toronto, Ontario, CANADA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Douglas Adams -----------------------------------------------------------------------  1,, Summary-line: 27-May davidcookson@csi.com #Re : Edinburgh IVANHOE Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA28937; Thu, 27 May 99 07:39:40 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07022; Thu, 27 May 99 07:39:20 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id HAA10661; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990527122439.009d8ae0@pop.site1.csi.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: davidcookson@csi.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: David Cookson To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re : Edinburgh IVANHOE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu id HAA10661 *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: davidcookson@csi.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: David Cookson To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re : Edinburgh IVANHOE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu id HAA10661 Marc Shepherd wrote <> I saved the original message from Andrew Crawford, and he doesn't figure = on a recent SavoyNet review, so here's his message. All the best David Cookson -------------------------------------------------- Message to SavoyNet from Andrew Crawford, dated 11th April 1999 As you know, the Gilbert & Sullivan Society of Edinburgh recently put on = a production of Ivanhoe. Copies of their video are now available at a pric= e of =A320.00 (Twenty Pounds Sterling) or $35.00 (Thirty Five US Dollars), = this includes postage, packing and a copy of our 75th Anniversary programme. =09 The production was fully staged at the King's Theatre, Edinburgh, Scotlan= d in February 1999. =20 A full orchestra of 43 musicians was conducted by Musical Director David = L Lyle. Sullivan's Grand Opera was Directed by Alan Borthwick. Alan Borthwick and David Lyle were instrumental in producing the 1989 CD recording of Ivanhoe in association with the Sir Arthur Sullivan Society.= =20 If you missed this once in a lifetime opportunity to see the opera, which is rarely produced, you can contact our Vice-President Mr Alan Hogg at th= e following address. Please enclose a cheque made payable to 'The Gilbert = & Sullivan Society of Edinburgh'. With reference to enquires about having a NTSC version for America of the Ivanhoe video. I can confirm that we can arrange it in that format as wel= l as the PAL VHS version for the same price. Please indicate which version you require when you order. Alan Hogg 154 Newhaven Road=20 Edinburgh Scotland, U.K. EH6 4PZ=09 =20 Andrew Crawford Honorary Treasurer=20 ---------------------------------------=20  1,, Summary-line: 27-May rac@bu.edu #New Internet Opportunity Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19063; Thu, 27 May 99 09:35:27 EDT Received: from ACS4.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27137; Thu, 27 May 99 09:35:07 EDT Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs4.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0.ACS)/) with SMTP id JAA48548; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:35:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: Annie List , asmerage@bu.edu, bencoolb@MIT.EDU, blouinka@emmanuel.edu, Emily Borden , cash@emmanuel.edu, Sarah Consentino , corvallis@gis.net, dellacrj@emmanuel.edu, dennisjet@aol.com, devinek@emmanuel.edu, dumasje@emmanuel.edu, elliss@emmanuel.edu, felixcat@MIT.EDU, fordm@emmanuel.edu, funny614@aol.com, gouveil@emmanuel.edu, Megan Houpt , jbreindel@brandeis.edu, kitami@emmanuel.edu, mahanw@emmanuel.edu, meadsc@emmanuel.edu, nickw@MIT.EDU, oneilk@emmanuel.edu, oneilma@emmanuel.edu, David Jedlinsky , Rebecca Consentino , red7480@aol.com, Scott Gagnon , Maria Spinale , studiojsh@aol.com, tobinj@emmanuel.edu, tridentc@emmanuel.edu, Jenna Wilkinson Subject: New Internet Opportunity Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: Annie List , asmerage@bu.edu, bencoolb@MIT.EDU, blouinka@emmanuel.edu, Emily Borden , cash@emmanuel.edu, Sarah Consentino , corvallis@gis.net, dellacrj@emmanuel.edu, dennisjet@aol.com, devinek@emmanuel.edu, dumasje@emmanuel.edu, elliss@emmanuel.edu, felixcat@MIT.EDU, fordm@emmanuel.edu, funny614@aol.com, gouveil@emmanuel.edu, Megan Houpt , jbreindel@brandeis.edu, kitami@emmanuel.edu, mahanw@emmanuel.edu, meadsc@emmanuel.edu, nickw@MIT.EDU, oneilk@emmanuel.edu, oneilma@emmanuel.edu, David Jedlinsky , Rebecca Consentino , red7480@aol.com, Scott Gagnon , Maria Spinale , studiojsh@aol.com, tobinj@emmanuel.edu, tridentc@emmanuel.edu, Jenna Wilkinson Subject: New Internet Opportunity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi guys- This e-mail is about a new pyramid scheme, in which you can easily make a little money, just by having advertisements near your browser while you surf the Internet. 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If they can sell the 180 ads for more than 80 cents they're instantly profitable, and they'll be able to sell the ads for more. That's it. That's the whole thing. If they sell $10 million in advertising, they'll distribute $9 million or so to the users, and keep the rest. Everyone wins. Companies who rely on advertising spend a lot of money to attract an audience, and build and staff a product. AllAdvantage is just going to pay you as a valuable consumer and reward You for attracting an audience. A TV Network might put 90% of their ad Revenue into programming and operations, and keep 10% as profits. This company will give 90% of their ad revenue to people who use them, and keep 10% for themselves. THE SOONER THE BETTER Please go to: http://alladvantage.com You'll be issued your own user number. Then cut and paste this email, changing the member ID number to your user number, and e-mail it to as many people as you can think of. Or mention this when you're talking to friends, or in a chat room, or where ever! The more people who sign up, the more advertising revenue AllAdvantage generates, and the more we all get paid. Don't ignore this because it's "too simple" or "too good to be true". If you have any questions, please just go to the site and check it out. It's self-explanatory.  1,, Summary-line: 27-May CJ@sftlaw.com #It's not Easy Beng Darth.... Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18511; Thu, 27 May 99 11:05:01 EDT Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23642; Thu, 27 May 99 11:04:40 EDT Received: from SFT_PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:05:38 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:05:11 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: , , , , "Karen Lorelli" , "Michelle Rodriquez" , "Valerie Johnson" , Subject: It's not Easy Beng Darth.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:05:11 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: , , , , "Karen Lorelli" , "Michelle Rodriquez" , "Valerie Johnson" , Subject: It's not Easy Beng Darth.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just *had* to pass this along..... trying not to clutter the airwaves = too much, really, but..... Te/CJ FW: ---------------------------- [Kirk hasn't recieved his coffee yet today, so the following rambling=20 thoughts have been allowed to leak out.] Ok, Ok. We know that, in the first movie (yah yah, episode 4) they were allowed to escape the Death Star in order to be traced back to the Rebel base. But that means that SOMEONE on the Death Star must have been monitoring the escape. Darth=3DDarth Vader SCM=3DSecurity Camera Monitor Darth: Where are they now? SCM: They have released Princess Leia from her cell, Lord Vader. Darth: Excellent. Have our security detail begin feigning their=20 deaths, and form an escape route back to the Mille... SCM: Lord Vader. They are in the garbage shoot. Darth: They're in the WHAT? What the hell are they doing there? SCM: Now they're in the garbage compactor. I don't know why, Lo... Darth: Well, get them out!=20 SCM: The only crew member in that area is our Personnel Resource=20 Officer. Darth: I don't care if he's the Tidy Bowl man! Drag them out of=20 there! SCM: Yes, Lord Vader. [Sound of splashing, shots being fired, screaming, and monstrous=20 bellows. Vader and SCM shake their heads sadly] SCM: Well, that could have gone better. Vader: Might have, if our Personnel Officer weren't a squid. SCM: Who else could drag crew onto this dung heap? Vader: Hey now. Our program of Continuous Quality Improvement is... SCM: Oh oh. Vader: What now? SCM: They've turned on the compactor. Vader: Well, turn it off! SCM: I'm trying, but there seems to be interference. Vader: From what? SCM: Tracing it now. Ah! It's coming from the power outlet=20 for area 3749B's "Master Coffee" machine. Vader: Your security console's being overridden by a coffee machine? SCM: It's that Windows SW(tm) chip. They're putting them in=20 everthing nowadays. Heck, if you had a security droid plugged=20 into one of those things you could do practically anything on=20 this station you wanted Vader: Get my CIO on the phone. SCM: Yes Lord Vader...here he is. [Sounds of screaming from the garbage compactor] Vader: Hello, Bob? Yes, this is Darth. How are you? Fine? Good! Good.=20 Listen, about the network security system you installed... [Strangled gurgling noises over the phone. Then silence.=20 Screams from the compactor continue in the background.] Vader: Nice talking to you Bob. Let's do lunch sometime. [click] [Continued sounds of screaming from the compactor.] Vader: Just great! They're dying in there. Man, the Emperor's=20 gonna kick my ... SCM: Oh god! Now the compactor's control computer has crashed! Vader: Doesn't anything work around here... Hey, waitaminute! Are=20 they still alive in there? =20 SCM: Um, hold on. Yes, I still hear them. Vader: Whoo Hoo! Yes! We may still pull this off. Can you get that=20 door open? ... You see, it's tough being evil. Tell that to anyone considering=20 taking up the dark side. Kirk  1,, Summary-line: 28-May ornstn@home.com #Where no opera has gone before? Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08811; Fri, 28 May 99 18:27:52 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18498; Fri, 28 May 99 18:28:07 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA09547; Fri, 28 May 1999 18:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990528170240.01c3e9f0@mail> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: ornstn@home.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ronald Orenstein To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Where no opera has gone before? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: ornstn@home.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ronald Orenstein To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Where no opera has gone before? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 >Tell me, what opera do you think would make the best Star Trek plot? Well, it would be a bit drastic, but there is always Karl-Birger Blomdahl's ANIARA, about a spaceship en route to Mars with survivors from the destruction of Earth. The spaceship malfunctions, is left to drift off in space, and everyone on board dies. If that doesn't grab you - here is the plot of a once-popular opera retold; can anyone spot the opera? At Starfleet Headquarters, Starfleet Command is astonished by the return of Captain James T. Kirk, believed missing in action after the destruction of the Enterprise in deep space. Kirk has brought with him two representatives of a distant civilization, Nusk (a male) and Slic (a female). Kirk demands that Starfleet equip him with a new ship so he can find the distant planet Nusk and Slic call home, but Starfleet Command refuses. When Kirk protests. he, Nusk and Slic are placed under arrest. Slic, of course, has fallen in love with Kirk. Nusk, who is in love with Slic, plans to kill Kirk while he sleeps, but Slic prevents him. When Kirk awakens, Slic tells him she can provide him with the coordinates of her home world. Meanwhile, Starfleet has commissioned Captain Fisk, an old rival of Kirk's who has married Annie, Kirk's former sweetheart, to lead an expedition in search of the new civilization. Fisk's wife is assigned to the bridge; Nusk offers to act as guide to the new expedition. Kirk, however, manages to obtain command of another starship and sets out after Fisk, with Slic on board. Travelling at Warp Factor Ten, he soon is within hailing distance of Fisk's ship. He hails Fisk, and warns him that Nusk, who does not want his home world found, is leading them into an ambush. Fisk, however, threatens to fire on Kirk's ship. Suddenly, a squadron of fighter ships of unknown origin emerges from hyperspace and fires on the two Federation vessels. Fisk's ship is crippled. Kirk tries to rescue the crew, but only manages to beam Nusk and Annie on board before the warp core breaches and the ship is destroyed. Kirk's ship is forced to surrender; the invaders beam on board, and to Kirk's amazement hail Slic as their Empress. The aliens take Kirk and Annie to their home world; Kirk is astonished by its paradise-like atmosphere. Annie is sentenced to death, but Slic claims Kirk as her husband and reprieves him. She soon realizes, however, that Kirk's interest in alien beauties is highly time-limited, and that his real feelings are for Annie. In a grand gesture of renunciation she secretly frees Kirk, restores Annie to him, returns his ship and provides him with the coordinates for Federation Space. Kirk and Annie beam up to their ship and set a course for Earth. Slic watches the ship depart on the monitors in her palace. Unable to live without Kirk, she inhales poisonous fumes from a genetically modified tribble (thinking, all the while, how much it reminds her of Kirk's toupee), and dies in Nusk's arms. Nusk seizes the tribble and holds it to his nose as the final credits roll. -- Ronald I. Orenstein Phone: (905) 820-7886 International Wildlife Coalition Fax/Modem: (905) 569-0116 1825 Shady Creek Court Mississauga, Ontario, Canada L5L 3W2 mailto:ornstn@home.com  1,, Summary-line: 29-May ornstn@home.com #Re: Where no opera has gone before? Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA01916; Sat, 29 May 99 14:31:45 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03565; Sat, 29 May 99 14:31:23 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA08026; Sat, 29 May 1999 14:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990529140620.01ca2b90@mail> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: ornstn@home.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ronald Orenstein To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Where no opera has gone before? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum In-Reply-To: <4f05cd60.248177c2@aol.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: ornstn@home.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ronald Orenstein To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Where no opera has gone before? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum In-Reply-To: <4f05cd60.248177c2@aol.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 At 01:02 PM 29/05/1999 -0400, you wrote: >I don't believe anyone has congratulated Ron Orenstein on his hilarious Star >Trek opera of a few days ago. So unless I've missed something, let me be the >first to congratulate him... and to beg him, for heaven's sake, to put me out >of my suspense. > >WHAT'S THE OPERA??? Okay, Okay - Jim Drew got it, though.... It's L'AFRICAINE, by Giacomo Meyerbeer - and believe me, I stuck pretty close to the original plot, though Captain Kirk is replaced by Portuguese explorer Vasco Da Gama in the original. Although it was recently revived by the San Francisco Opera, most people know it today only as the source of one of Meyerbeer's most beautiful arias, "O paradis" (and I do NOT want to hear Shatner try it!). Here is a synopsis of the plot of L'AFRICAINE, from: http://www.castle.net/~rfrone/sfo/sfo-a.htm#africaine You will see that I invented very little! Vasco de Gama, who was presumed lost at sea, returns to Portugal, bringing two natives from the new land he has discovered. These two natives are the Indian queen Selika and Nelusco, her attendant. Inez, Don Diego's daughter is in love with da Gama, but her father wishes her to marry Don Pedro, president of the council. Don Pedro orders Vasco jailed on charges that his voyage was an insult to the council. Vasco is alone in his prison cell. Selika, whose rank is still unknown to the Portuguese, has come to love Vasco. She finds her way to his prison cell and confesses her love. She also warns him of Nelusco's jealousy. Inez has agreed to marry Don Pedro and Vasco is freed. Don Pedro has set out to explore the new land that Vasco had discovered. Don Pedro has brought along Inez and Selika and Nelusco to serve as guides. Nelusco plans to blow up the ship. After Vasco is freed from jail, he outfits a ship and overtakes Don Pedro's ship at sea. His attempts to warn Don Pedro of Nelusco's plot is rebuffed and Vasco is seized. The ship is driven aground by a storm and Nelusco, with his savage followers, attack the ship, slaying all but a few of the crew. Selika is welcomed back as their queen. She prevents Vasco's execution by claiming to be his wife. The marriage is barely celebrated when Inez is brought in. Vasco's love for Inez is rekindled. Selika orders Nelusco to provide Vasco and Inez with a ship with which to return to Portugal. As the ship sails away, Selika breathes the blossoms from a poison-laden mancanilla tree and dies. Nelusco discovers the lifeless body and shares her death. -- Ronald I. Orenstein Phone: (905) 820-7886 International Wildlife Coalition Fax/Modem: (905) 569-0116 1825 Shady Creek Court Mississauga, Ontario, Canada L5L 3W2 mailto:ornstn@home.com  1,, Summary-line: 30-May mike@iologic.u-net.com #Ruddigore meets Spinal Tap Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16370; Sun, 30 May 99 13:53:14 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25125; Sun, 30 May 99 13:52:51 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA08999; Sun, 30 May 1999 13:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <01beaac4$02382b20$LocalHost@iologic.u-net.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: mike@iologic.u-net.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Mike Nash" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Ruddigore meets Spinal Tap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mike@iologic.u-net.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Mike Nash" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Ruddigore meets Spinal Tap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 Thinking about the ghost scene in "Ruddigore", in particular about the mechanics of how the ghosts appear from their portraits, put me in mind of the scene from the film "This Is Spinal Tap" (a spoof documentary about a heavy metal band on tour), in which three of the band are encased in large plastic cocoons which open during the introduction to a song - only the bass guitarist's cocoon doesn't open and he remains trapped until the final chord of the song, after the road crew have tried everything from crowbars to flame-throwers to open it. I could imagine the scene during the dialogue between Sir Ruthven and Sir Roderic, in which is heard a feeble knocking and a pathetic little voice crying, "Ah, come on guys, let me out, be good sports, pleeeease...." Mike. "Ain't I a bad character!"  1,, Summary-line: 1-Jun oakapple2@yahoo.com #The Mikado in Full Score Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19700; Tue, 1 Jun 99 17:16:04 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17708; Tue, 1 Jun 99 17:16:20 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA20826; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19990601211340.26376.rocketmail@web105.yahoomail.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: The Mikado in Full Score Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: The Mikado in Full Score Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum I observed the following on the Amazon.com website: The Mikado in Full Score Dover Publications; ISBN: 0486406261 Paperback - 368 pages (July 1999) List price: $18.95; Amazon price: $15.16 It can be pre-ordered at Amazon, and they will ship it to you when ready. I recall that the editor of this score, whose name I forget, made a SavoyNet posting about it a year or two ago. He said that the score was newly typeset and was based on an autograph score copy found in the New York Public Library, among other unspecified sources. There were hints that if this score was successful, perhaps others would follow. He asked if people had any comments about what they'd like to see in a MIKADO score. I sent him some ideas, to which I never received any reply. Anyway, in a couple of months we should all soon know how it turned out. === Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com  1,, Summary-line: 2-Jun AnslowL@usa.redcross.org #FW: Theater terminology Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09510; Wed, 2 Jun 99 17:36:45 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07901; Wed, 2 Jun 99 17:36:20 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA27344; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <510243F87F4ED211ADF30008C756F56730A877@BHQROS2EX1> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: AnslowL@usa.redcross.org Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Anslow, Lynn" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: FW: Theater terminology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: AnslowL@usa.redcross.org Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Anslow, Lynn" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: FW: Theater terminology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Here's one I think folks will like. I apologize if it's already been posted to the group. Theater Terminology Eternity - The time that passes between a dropped cue and the next line Prop - A hand-carried object small enough to be lost by an actor 30 seconds before it is needed on stage Director - The individual who suffers from the delusion that he or she is responsible for every moment of brilliance cited by the critic in the local review Blocking - The art of moving actors on the stage in such a manner as not to collide with the walls, the furniture, the orchestra pit or each other. Similar to playing chess, except that the pawns want to argue with you. Blocking Rehearsal - A rehearsal taking place early in the production schedule where actors frantically write down movements which will be nowhere in evidence by Opening night. Quality Theater - Any show with which you were directly involved. Turkey - Every show with which you were not directly involved Dress rehearsal - Rehearsal that becomes a whole new ball game as actors attempt to maneuver among the 49 objects that the set designer added at 7:30 that evening Tech week - The last week of rehearsal when everything that was supposed to be done weeks before finally comes together at the last minute; reaches its grand climax on dress rehearsal night when costumes rip, a dimmer pack catches fire and the director has a nervous breakdown. Also known as hell week. Set - An obstacle course which, throughout the rehearsal period, defies the laws of physics by growing smaller week by week while continuing to occupy the same amount of space Monologue - That shining moment when all eyes are focused on a single actor who is desperately aware that if he forgets a line, no one can save him Dark Night - The night before opening when no rehearsal is scheduled so the actors and crew can go home and get some well-deserved rest, and instead spend the night staring sleeplessly at the ceiling because they're sure they needed one more rehearsal Bit Part - An opportunity for the actor with the smallest role to count everybody else's lines and mention repeatedly that he or she has the smallest part in the show. Green Room - Room shared by nervous actors waiting to go on stage and the precocious children whose actor parents couldn't get a baby-sitter that night, a situation which can result in justifiable homicide. Dark Spot - An area of the stage which the lighting designer has inexplicably forgotten to light, and which has a magnetic attraction for the first-time actor. A dark spot is never evident before opening night. Hands - Appendages at the end of the arms used for manipulating one's environment, except on a stage, where they grow six times their normal size and either dangle uselessly, fidget nervously, or try to hide in your pockets. Stage Manager - Individual responsible for overseeing the crew, supervising the set changes, baby-sitting the actors and putting the director in a hammerlock to keep him from killing the actor who just decided to turn his walk-on part into a major role by doing magic tricks while he serves the tea. Lighting Director - Individual who, from the only vantage point offering a full view of the stage, gives the stage manager a heart attack by announcing a play-by-play of everything that's going wrong Makeup Kit -(1) among experienced community theater actors, a battered tackle box loaded with at least 10 shades of greasepaint in various stages of desiccation, tubes of lipstick and blush, assorted pencils, bobby pins, braids of crepe hair, liquid latex, old programs, jewelry, break-a-leg greeting cards from past shows, brushes and a handful of half-melted cough drops; (2) for first-time male actors, a helpless look and anything they can borrow The Forebrain - The part of an actors brain which contains lines, blocking and characterization; activated by hot lights. The Hindbrain - The part of an actors brain that keeps up a running subtext in the background while the forebrain is trying to act; the hindbrain supplies a constant stream of unwanted information, such as who is sitting in the second row tonight, a notation to seriously maim the crew member who thought it would be funny to put real Tabasco sauce in the fake Bloody Marys, or the fact that you need to do laundry on Sunday. Stage Crew - Group of individuals who spend their evenings coping with 50-minute stretches of total boredom interspersed with 30-second bursts of mindless panic Message Play - Any play which its director describes as "worthwhile," "a challenge to actors and audience alike," or "designed to make the audience think." Critics will be impressed both by the daring material and the roomy accommodations, since they're likely to have the house all to themselves. Bedroom Farce - Any play which requires various states of undress on stage and whose set sports a lot of doors. The lukewarm reviews, all of which feature the phrase "typical community theater fare" in the opening paragraph, are followed paradoxically by a frantic attempt to schedule more performances to accommodate the overflow crowds. Assistant Director - Individual willing to undertake special projects that nobody else would take on a bet, such as working one-on-one with the brain-dead actor whom the rest of the cast has threatened to take out a contract on. Set Piece - Any large piece of furniture which actors will resolutely use as a safety shield between themselves and the audience, in an apparent attempt to both anchor themselves to the floor, thereby avoiding floating off into space, and to keep the audience from seeing that they actually have legs Strike - The time immediately following the last performance while all cast and crew members are required to stay and dismantle, or watch the two people who own Makita screw drivers dismantle, the set. Actors - (As defined by a set designer) People who stand between the audience and the set designer's art, blocking the view. That's also the origin of the word "blocking," by the way. Stage Right, Stage Left - Two simple directions actors pretend not to understand in order to drive directors crazy. ("No, no, your OTHER stage right!") "Just remember: It's only theatre until it offends someone... then it's ART!"  1,, Summary-line: 2-Jun bigbird@21stcentury.net #Fw: Country Western Musical Dictionary (OT) Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27557; Wed, 2 Jun 99 22:29:41 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA29885; Wed, 2 Jun 99 22:29:15 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id WAA04135; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <006601bead79$2d9155a0$dd088818@dmichael.21stcentury.net> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: bigbird@21stcentury.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Big Bird" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Fw: Country Western Musical Dictionary (OT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: bigbird@21stcentury.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Big Bird" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Fw: Country Western Musical Dictionary (OT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 Lynn Anslow's theatre terminology post inspired me to forward the following which a friend at work (who sings in an oratorio chorus and has come to see several of my G & S performances) sent to me. Like Lynn's post, it doesn't have anything to do with G & S, but it should hopefully provide some amusement to SavoyNetters with any kind of musical background. No indication was included as to who originated this, so I can't credit it properly; if anyone has seen this and knows who wrote it, let me know. David Michaels "Life's a pudding full of plums..." >MUSICAL TERMS-COUNTRY WESTERN STYLE > >DIMINISHED FIFTH - An empty bottle of Jack Daniels >PERFECT FIFTH - A full bottle of Jack Daniels >RELATIVE MAJOR - An uncle in the Marine Corps >RELATIVE MINOR - A girl friend >BIG BAND - When the nightclub pays enough to hire TWO banjo players >TREBLE - Women ain't nothin' but >BASS - The things you run around in baseball >CONDUCTOR - The man who punches your ticket on the train >CUT TIME - Parole >SONATA - What you get from a bad cold or hay fever >A 440 - A highway that runs around Nashville >CLARINET - Name of your second daughter if you've already used Betty Jo >TEMPO - Good choice for a used car >PASSING TONE - Sound frequently heard near the baked beans at barbecues >BOSSA NOVA - The car your boss drives >STACCATO - How you did all the ceilings in your mobile home. >BACH CHORALE - The place behind the barn where you keep the horses. >12 TONE SCALE - The thing the State Police weigh your truck with. >PERFECT PITCH - The smooth coating on a freshly paved road >CADENZA - The piece of furniture your wife waxes when company comes >RITARD - There's one in every family >QUARTER TONE - What most pickup trucks can haul >WHOLE NOTE - What's due after not paying the mortgage for ninety days. >ARPEGGIO- The puppet whose nose grows when he lies.  1,, Summary-line: 3-Jun jtk@kolvir.arlington.ma.u #Re: bug chess rules Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23465; Thu, 3 Jun 99 21:02:13 EDT Received: from jtk.ne.mediaone.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16154; Thu, 3 Jun 99 21:02:25 EDT Received: (from jtk@localhost) by kolvir.arlington.ma.us (8.8.8/JTK19980409) id VAA25457; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906040102.VAA25457@kolvir.arlington.ma.us> From: John Kohl To: seph@MIT.EDU Cc: jcb@alum.mit.edu, sipb-soc@MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <199906032202.SAA30632@quiche-lorraine.mit.edu> (message from Joseph Sokol-Margolis on Thu, 03 Jun 1999 18:02:52 EDT) Subject: Re: bug chess rules X-Us-Snail: 8 Lorne Road, Arlington, MA 02476 *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:02:04 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kohl To: seph@MIT.EDU Cc: jcb@alum.mit.edu, sipb-soc@MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <199906032202.SAA30632@quiche-lorraine.mit.edu> (message from Joseph Sokol-Margolis on Thu, 03 Jun 1999 18:02:52 EDT) Subject: Re: bug chess rules X-Us-Snail: 8 Lorne Road, Arlington, MA 02476 's description matches what I played in high school. One potential alternate rule is no placing of pieces to put king in check (this doesn't sound quite right, I'm sure I used to place pieces to check a king, but it might make an interesting variation). Bug chess, origin of the phrase "I don't care if you sacrifice your queen, trade something for a pawn!" Another interesting variant I've played is "monster pawns". White plays with four pawns and the king. Black has a full set of pieces. Black moves first. White gets two moves for each one move by black. (White can use its king to check black's king, and white's king can move through check as long as it keeps moving and ends its two turns not in check). I forget whether the monster pawns can be promoted upon reaching the eighth rank. (If white gets a monster queen, black is pretty much sunk.) -- ==John Kohl , Write a poem, share your heart! Home page: Note new home zip code as of July 1, 1998: 02476  1,, Summary-line: 4-Jun oakapple2@yahoo.com #Re: Scores Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15966; Fri, 4 Jun 99 06:59:41 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20783; Fri, 4 Jun 99 06:59:13 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id GAA21995; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 06:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 06:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19990604105837.11316.rocketmail@web105.yahoomail.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Scores Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 06:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Scores Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Diana Burleigh asked about the Oxford Edition of the Savoy Operas, edited by David Russell Hulme and David Lloyd Jones. Both Hulme and Jones are well-known Sullivan scholars. Hulme wrote his doctoral dissertation on Sullivan's autograph scores. He also prepared performing editions for New Sadler's Wells (RUDDIGORE, PINAFORE) and New D'Oyly Carte (several operas). Jones edited the Ernst Eulenberg miniature score of THE GONDOLIERS. I have many reservations about that edition. However, it is obviously a carefully-edited score, based on authoritative sources, and with a critical apparatus that highlights variant passages. The first Oxford volume is to be RUDDIGORE (ed. Hulme), and supposedly it will include all of the "lost" material (e.g., the cut cost music, "For 35 years...," etc.). It will also open all of the cuts that Geoffrey Toye made for D'Oyly Carte in the 1920s. A full score is to be published initially, with a vocal score and band parts to follow shortly thereafter. It is likely that the full score will be an expensive volume (US$150-$200), but I imagine that the vocal score will be competitively priced. The second Oxford volume will be THE MIKADO (ed. Jones), and the Oxford people *say* that it will come out next year. But, there have already been a number of delays in this project, so I wouldn't set my watch by it. The third Oxford volume will be YEOMEN, with no promised date that I have heard of. > Can we trust these for accuracy or is it an edition made up of > someone's idea of a reconstruction? Given the background of the people who are doing it, I think you can assume that the Oxford volumes will be based on early sources, will be carefully edited, and will reflect a plausible conjecture of what Sullivan would have wanted. At the same time, it must be recognized that every opera has its share of difficult textual problems, and I'm sure that there will be decisions reflected in the Oxford text that some of us will disagree with. At any rate, it will NOT be the version of RUDDIGORE that we are familiar with, because the D'OC accretions will be stripped out. > I think there are other companies doing full scores, any idea if > these are better or worse or? The other project most directly comparable to Oxford is the Broude Edition. Until Oxford & Broude both have editions of the same opera, comparisons will be somewhat besides the point. I am quite sure that the Oxford RUDDIGORE will be better than any RUDDIGORE we have now, and the Broude RUDDIGORE is still some distance away. Broude's next volume is PINAFORE, and Oxford is not known to be actively working on that opera. When the Broude TRIAL came out, Arthur Jacobs (who apparently was an advisor to the Oxford Edition before his death) published a very slanted and derogatory review. He gave a few hints of how the Oxford approach is likely to differ from Broude. One difference is that Broude does a full scholarly edition of *both* the libretto and the music. Jacobs opined that a scholarly edition of the libretto is unnecessary (this ground having already been covered, in his opinion, by others--presumably he meant Ian Bradley). A second difference is that Broude provides a considerably more detailed (although Jacobs considered it anal-retentive) critical apparatus. For example, if the Broude editors supply a missing slur, this fact is clearly signalled in the score and noted in the apparatus. Jacobs believed that it was sufficient to cover these types of editorial activity with a general statement of principles in the introduction. After RUDDIGORE comes out (promised for this fall), it will be possible to compare the two approaches more readily. === Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com  1,, Summary-line: 4-Jun mendes@aigfpc.com #Do you hate chain letters like i do? Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29805; Fri, 4 Jun 99 08:54:06 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01429; Fri, 4 Jun 99 08:54:23 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10ptTp-0004ZP-00; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:53:49 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:53:44 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , "Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)" , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: Do you hate chain letters like i do? Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:53:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , "Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)" , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , sooz , stevemartin Subject: Do you hate chain letters like i do? Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:53:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations > > < > > > > > > > > I recently received your chain letter. Over 1,000 people > have sent > > > me chain letters, and every one of them has died within six > months, > > > probably from the "Chain Letter Sender's Curse." You will > probably > > > die soon if you experience any of the following symptoms: > > > > > > 1) Tiredness at bedtime, > > > 2) Hunger just before lunch, > > > 3) Inability to remember your license plate number, or > > > 4) Stupidity > > > > > > THE SEVEN BASIC TYPES OF CHAIN LETTERS: > > > > > > > > > CHAIN LETTER TYPE 1: > > > (scroll down) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Make a wish!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Really, go on and make one!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh please.... They'll never go out with you!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wish something else!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that, you moron!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something else! Quick!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is your finger getting tired yet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > STOP!!!! > > > > > > Wasn't that fun? Hope you made a great wish. > > > > > > Now, to make you feel guilty, here's what I'll do. First of > all, > > > if you don't send this to 5096 people in the next 5 seconds, > you > > > will be attacked by a mad goat and then thrown off a high > building > > > into a pile of manure. > > > > > > It's true! Because, you know, THIS letter isn't like all of > those > > > fake ones, THIS one is TRUE!! > > > > > > Really!!! Here's how it goes: > > > > > > *Send this to 1 person: One person will be mad at you for > sending > > > them a stupid chain letter. > > > > > > *Send this to 2-5 people: 2-5 people will be mad at you for > sending > > > them a stupid chain letter. > > > > > > *5-10 people: 5-10 people will be mad at you for sending them > a > > > stupid chain letter. > > > > > > *10-20 people: 10-20 people will be mad at you for sending > them a > > > stupid chain letter. > > > > > > *20 to 674,951 people: 20 to 674, 951 people will be mad at > you for > > > sending them a stupid chain letter. > > > > > > Thanks!!!! Good Luck!!! > > > > > > > > > CHAIN LETTER TYPE 2: > > > > > > Hello, and thank you for reading this letter. You see, there > is a > > > starving little boy in Baklaliviatatlaglooshen who has no > arms, no > > > legs, no parents, and no goats. This little boy's life could > be > > > saved, because for every time you pass this on, a dollar will > be > > > donated to the Little Starving Legless Armless Goatless Boy > from > > > Baklaliviatatlaglooshen Fund. Remember, we have no way of > counting > > > letters sent and this is all bull. So go on, reach out. > > > > > > Send this to 5 people in the next 47 seconds. Oh, and a > reminder - > > > if you accidentally send this to 4 or 6 people, you will die > > > instantly. > > > > > > Thanks again!! > > > > > > > > > CHAIN LETTER TYPE 3: > > > > > > Hi there!! This chain letter has been in existence since > 1897. > > > This is absolutely incredible because there was no email then > > > and probably not as many little 8-year-olds writing chain > letters. > > > So this is how it works. > > > > > > Pass this on to 15,067 people in the next 7 minutes or > something > > > horrible will happen to you like: > > > > > > STUPID HORROR STORY #1 > > > > > > Miranda Pinsley was walking home from school on Saturday. She > had > > > recently received this letter and ignored it. She then > tripped in > > > a crack in the sidewalk, fell into the sewer, was gushed down > a > > > drainpipe in a flood of poopie, and went flying out over a > waterfall. > > > Not only did she smell nasty, she died. This Could Happen To > You!!! > > > > > > STUPID HORROR STORY #2 > > > > > > Dexter Bip, a 13-year-old boy, got a chain letter in his mail > and > > > ignored it. Later that day, he was hit by a car and so was > his > > > girlfriend. They both died. Their families were so upset that > everyone > > > related to them (even by marriage) went crazy and spent the > rest of > > > their miserable lives in an institution. This Could Happen To > You!!! > > > > > Remember, you could end up like Pinsley and Bip did. Just > send this > > > letter to all of your loser friends, and everything will be > OK. > > > > > > > > > CHAIN LETTER TYPE 4: > > > > > > As if you care, here is a poem that I wrote. Send it to > every one > > > of your friends. > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > A friend is someone who is always at your side > > > A friend is someone who likes you even though you smell like > poop > > > A friend is someone who likes you even though you're > disgustingly > > > ugly > > > A friend is someone who cleans up for you after you've soiled > > > yourself > > > A friend is someone who stays with you all night while you > cry about > > > your loser life > > > A friend is someone who pretends they like you when they > really > > > think you should be attacked by a mad goat and then thrown in > a > > > pile of manure > > > A friend is not someone who sends you chain letters because > he > > > wants his wish of being rich to come true. > > > > > > Now pass this on! If you don't, you'll be eaten by wild > goats. > > > > > > > > > CHAIN LETTER TYPE 5: > > > > > > This e-mail is wicked-cool! It was started by Microsoft to > test its > > > e-mail tracking system because, you know, a big high-tech > company > > > like Microsoft always sends important new software out over > the > > > Internet to be available to any moron who can operate a > computer, > > > right? Plus, they have formed a secret merger with Disney > Corp., who > > > has agreed to give up millions of dollars in revenue by > giving > > > everyone who reads this e-mail, passes it on, looks at it, > knows > > > someone that looked at it, or is related to someone who is a > friend > > > of someone who looks at it A FREE, ALL-EXPENSES-PAID TRIP to > > > Disneyland, DisneyWorld, or EuroDisney! > > > So pass this on to everyone you know that is gullible enough > to > > > believe this (or not)! Even if it's not true, hey insulting > all > > > of your friends by implying that they are gullible by sending > this > > > to them is worth the improbable chance that you could go to > Disneyland! > > > Even if you lose all of your friends because they are tired > of receiving > > > this kind of junk from you, it's worth the chance, right? > And just for > > > good measure, if you don't send this on, Microsoft will send > its > > > specially trained attack-goats to pilfer your house and eat > all of > > > your family, SO SEND IT ON!!!!! > > > > > > > > > CHAIN LETTER TYPE 6: > > > > > > VIRUS WARNING!!! > > > > > > If you receive an email entitled "Badtimes," delete it > immediately. > > > Do not open it. Apparently this one is pretty nasty. It will > not > > > only erase everything on your hard drive, but it will also > delete > > > anything on disks within 20 feet of your computer. It > demagnetizes > > > the stripes on ALL of your credit cards. It reprograms your > ATM > > > access code, messes up the tracking on your VCR and uses > subspace > > > field harmonics to scratch any CDs you attempt to play. It > will > > > re-calibrate your refrigerator's coolness settings so all > your > > > ice cream melts and your milk curdles. It will program your > > > phone AutoDial to call only your mother-in-law's number. So > be > > > careful! Forward this to all of your friends, relatives, > neighbors, > > > family, enemies, plumbers, garbagemen, stock brokers, > doctors, and > > > any other acquaintances! It's for their own good! Thank you. > > > > > > > > > CHAIN LETTER TYPE 7: > > > > > > Here is a cute picture I drew. > > > > > > > > > (\ /) > > > ( \ / ) > > > ( \ / ) > > > ( /<>\ ) > > > ( / \/ \ ) > > > / \ __ > > > ( ) ( ) > > > ~~~~~~~~ -- > > > > > > It is a decapitated angel. Send it on to all of your friends > so it > > > will brighten their day like it did yours! If you don't, > demon- > > > possessed goats will move into your house and eat all of your > socks, > > > leading you to believe that something is wrong with your > washing > > > machine because all of your socks keep disappearing. > > > Have a nice day!!! > > > > > > > > > There. Now that we've covered and dumped on the seven main > types > > > of chain letters, on to the ironic part. In order for this > to get > > > any popularity, send it on!!! If you don't think it was > funny at > > > all, don't bother, but otherwise forward this sucker to > everyone > > > you know!! If you don't, I don't care, but why not show this > around? > > > Take two minutes and forward it. Thanks! > > > > > > Remember, the moral of the story is, if you get a chain > letter, > > > ignore it. > > > > > > If it's a joke or something, send it, sure, but if it's gonna > make1 > > > people feel guilty (i.e., the goatless boy from > > > Baklaliviatatlaglooshen) or nervous (i.e. Miranda Pinsley > who ended > > > up in a waterfall of turds) just delete it. > > > > > > Do yourself (and everyone else in the world) a favor, and > say, > > > > > > "DEATH TO CHAIN LETTERS!!" > > >> > > > > > > OH you guys. Please don't take this personally if you have > sent me > > chain letters. But this is the funniest thing I have read, and > carries > > with it every sentiment I have w/ regard to those nasty FWD's. > Do read > > all of it for the end made me laugh till I had tears running > down my face. > > Tamara came to see what could be so darn funny. > > rr>>  1,, Summary-line: 7-Jun ll77@cornell.edu #I moved! Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10390; Mon, 7 Jun 99 23:11:00 EDT Received: from cornell.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA29606; Mon, 7 Jun 99 23:10:28 EDT Received: from cu-dialup.cornell.edu (D6061.DIALUP.CORNELL.EDU [128.253.157.161]) by cornell.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA27597; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990607231153.006d05e4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ll77@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 23:11:53 -0400 To: digenova@MIT.EDU From: Lucy Subject: I moved! Cc: raffik@MIT.EDU, bschneid@MIT.EDU, cohen@cbl.umces.edu, lah25@cornell.edu, cjsmith@MIT.EDU, goodmanj@MIT.EDU, amei@MIT.EDU, jjwong@earthlink.net, gsp@MIT.EDU, hcchen@ticona.com (Christine), "Gabriel Riopel" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: ll77@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 23:11:53 -0400 To: digenova@MIT.EDU From: Lucy Subject: I moved! Cc: raffik@MIT.EDU, bschneid@MIT.EDU, cohen@cbl.umces.edu, lah25@cornell.edu, cjsmith@MIT.EDU, goodmanj@MIT.EDU, amei@MIT.EDU, jjwong@earthlink.net, gsp@MIT.EDU, hcchen@ticona.com (Christine), "Gabriel Riopel" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I moved! My new address is: 16 Penny Lane Ithaca, NY 14850-6267 (Okay, the developers were into whimsical names. It could have been worse. The cross street is called Lois Lane...) My phone number is still 607-256-3106. Write! Call! Email! Visit! Whatever! Best wishes, Lucy  1,, Summary-line: 8-Jun epeisach@MIT.EDU #BBQ at our house Saturday, July 3. Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19062; Tue, 8 Jun 99 00:26:40 EDT Received: from KANGAROO.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00936; Tue, 8 Jun 99 00:26:52 EDT Received: by kangaroo.mit.edu (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/23Jun97-0310PM) id AA19702; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:26:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:26:28 -0400 Message-Id: <9906080426.AA19702@kangaroo.mit.edu> From: Ezra Peisach To: dinner@MIT.EDU, sao@MIT.EDU, stamper@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu, heymont@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu, craigandlaura@msn.com, depaola@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu, peisach@umich.edu Subject: BBQ at our house Saturday, July 3. *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:26:28 -0400 From: Ezra Peisach To: dinner@MIT.EDU, sao@MIT.EDU, stamper@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu, heymont@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu, craigandlaura@msn.com, depaola@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu, peisach@umich.edu Subject: BBQ at our house Saturday, July 3. I am finally defending my thesis on Monday, July 5. Because of this, we have decided to have a BBQ on the Saturday before (July 3) starting at 5pm until whenever. Yes - this notice is long in advance - but everytime we planned a BBQ last summer, someone would beat us to the date. More details will follow in the next few weeks... Ezra and Randi  1,, Summary-line: 8-Jun mstorie@nwlink.com #Sousa and G&S Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA25201; Tue, 8 Jun 99 13:21:22 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11375; Tue, 8 Jun 99 13:21:41 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA27347; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906081713.KAA16459@pop.nwlink.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: mstorie@nwlink.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: mstorie@nwlink.com (Mike Storie) To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Sousa and G&S Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mstorie@nwlink.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: mstorie@nwlink.com (Mike Storie) To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Sousa and G&S Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: I have a vinyl recording of "The new Sousa Band" conducted by Keith Brion with liner notes by John Philip Sousa III, no less. The following is from the liner notes describing "Selections from the Pirates of Penzance (Arr. 1880): "Prior to becoming director of the U.S. Marine Band in 1880, Sousa had been conductor of a long-running Broadway performance of Gilbert and Sullivan's "HMS Pinafore." Arriving in Washington to begin his new position, he found the existing Marine Band library lacking in "up-to-date" music and so he prompptly set about arranging selections from a then-current Broadway hit show called "The Pirates of Penzance." The fine selections include: Pour, O Pour the Pirate Sherry; Here's a first rate opportunity; I am a priate King; Poor wandering one; Major general's song; Ah, leave me not to pine alone; With cat-like tread upon our prey we steal (Containing a tune better known as "Hail, Hail, the gang's all here"); Finale: How beautifully blue the sky and Let us gaily tread the measure." This is on the Bainbridge label as BT6250. It was recorded in London on 8-10 June, 1983. I also have "The Mikado March" on CD from EMI titled "A Grand Sousa Concert." CDC 7 54130 2, by the Nonpareil Wind Band. All of the Sousa arrangements sound exactly like what you would think G&S would sound like if played by John Philip Sousa. You will NOT sleep through "With cat-like tread!" Mike Storie  1,, Summary-line: 8-Jun hcm@inetnow.net #Sousa Mikado March Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA13519; Tue, 8 Jun 99 20:45:49 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02008; Tue, 8 Jun 99 20:46:07 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA08718; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990607204215.00696f58@mail.inetnow.net> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: hcm@inetnow.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: hcm To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Sousa Mikado March Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: hcm@inetnow.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: hcm To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Sousa Mikado March Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Anyone wishing to hear what Sousa did with the Mikado March can download the MIDI or listen to a sound clip at the following address: http://www.dws.org/sousa/works.htm This is the Sousa page of the Dallas Wind Symphony. They also have a recording available as well as a short sound clip of the march. Henry Mason  1,, Summary-line: 10-Jun David.Withee@gte.net #FW: RED NECK DRIVERS LICENSE APPLICATION Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05012; Thu, 10 Jun 99 16:48:27 EDT Received: from mail1.gte.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05642; Thu, 10 Jun 99 16:47:58 EDT Received: from gte.net (1Cust19.tnt8.new-orleans.la.da.uu.net [63.14.237.19]) by mail1.gte.net with SMTP for opus@mit.edu; id PAA13054 Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:48:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199906102048.PAA13054@mail1.gte.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 15:43:55 Pacific Daylight Time From: David Withee To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: FW: RED NECK DRIVERS LICENSE APPLICATION Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mail-Agent: An Internet Client 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 15:43:55 Pacific Daylight Time From: David Withee To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: FW: RED NECK DRIVERS LICENSE APPLICATION Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mail-Agent: An Internet Client 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, I thought you might like this. It came to us from David's Dad. Love you! Di > > >RED NECK DRIVERS LICENSE APPLICATION > > Last name: __________________________ > > First name: (Check appropriate box) > [_] Billy-Bob [_] Bobby-Sue > [_] Billy-Joe [_] Bobby-Jo > [_] Billy-Ray [_] Bobby-Ann > [_] Billy-Sue [_] Bobby-Lee > [_] Billy-Mae [_] Bobby-Ellen > [_] Billy-Jack [_] Bobby-Beth > > Age: ____ (if unsure, guess) > > Sex: ____ M _____ F _____ Not sure > > Shoe Size: ____ Left ____ Right > > Occupation: > > [_] Farmer [_] Mechanic > [_] Hair Dresser [_] Waitress > [_] Unemployed [_] Dirty Politician > > Spouse's Name: __________________________ > 2nd Spouse's Name: _______________________ > 3rd Spouse's Name: _______________________ > Lover's Name: ____________________________ > 2nd Lover's Name: ________________________ > > Relationship to spouse: > [_] Sister [_] Aunt > [_] Brother [_] Uncle > [_] Mother [_] Son > [_] Father [_] Daughter > [_] Cousin [_] Pet > > Number of children living in household: ___ > Number of children living in shed: ___ > Number that are yours: ___ > > Mother's Name: _______________________ > > Father's Name: _______________________ (If not sure, leave blank) > > Education: 1 2 3 4 (Circle highest grade completed) > > Do you [_] own or [_] rent your mobile home? (Check appropriate box) > > ___ Total number of vehicles you own > ___ Number of vehicles that still crank > ___ Number of vehicles in front yard > ___ Number of vehicles in back yard > ___ Number of vehicles on cement blocks > > Where you keep them firearms: > ____ truck ____ kitchen ____ bedroom > > Model and year of your pickup: ____________ 194_ > > Do you have a gun rack? > [_] Yes [_] No; If no, please explain: >______________________________. > > Newspapers/magazines you read: > [_] The National Enquirer [_] The Globe > [_] TV Guide [_] Soap Opera Digest > [_] Rifle and Shotgun > > ___ Number of times you've seen a UFO > ___ Number of times you've seen Elvis > ___ Number of times you've seen Elvis in a UFO > > How often do you bathe: > [_] Weekly [_] Monthly [_] Not Applicable > > Color of teeth: > [_] Yellow [_] Brownish-Yellow [_] Brown > [_] Black [_] N/A [_] Teeth? > > Brand of chewing tobacco you prefer: > [_] Red-Man > > How far is your home from a paved road? > [_] 1 mile [_] 2 miles [_] don't know [_] paved road? > > >An exasperated mother, whose son was always getting into mischief, >finally asked him, "How do you expect to get into heaven?" > >The boy thought it over and said, "Well, I'll just run in and out and >in and out and keep slamming the door until St. Peter says, 'For >heaven's sake, Jimmy, come in or stay out.'" > >  1,, Summary-line: 10-Jun David.Withee@gte.net #FW: North Vs. South Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06155; Thu, 10 Jun 99 16:51:51 EDT Received: from mail1.gte.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11221; Thu, 10 Jun 99 16:52:14 EDT Received: from gte.net (1Cust19.tnt8.new-orleans.la.da.uu.net [63.14.237.19]) by mail1.gte.net with SMTP for opus@mit.edu; id PAA07826 Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:51:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199906102051.PAA07826@mail1.gte.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 15:47:20 Pacific Daylight Time From: David Withee To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: FW: North Vs. South Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mail-Agent: An Internet Client 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 15:47:20 Pacific Daylight Time From: David Withee To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: FW: North Vs. South Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mail-Agent: An Internet Client 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought this was funny too! Di > >Northerners Visiting or Moving to the Southern States: > > If you are from the northern states and planning on visiting or > moving to the South, there are a few things you should know that > will help you adapt to the difference in lifestyles: > > If you run your car into a ditch, don't panic. Four men in a > four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain > will be along shortly. Don't try to help them, just stay out of their > way. This is what they live for. > > Don't be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same > store. Do not buy food at this store. > > Remember, "ya'll" is singular, "all ya'll" is plural, and "all > ya'll's" is plural possessive. > > Get used to hearing "You ain't from around here, are ya?" > > You may hear a Southerner say "Ought!" to a dog or child. This > is short for "Ya'll oughta not do that!" and is the equivalent of > saying "No!" > > Don't be worried at not understanding what people are saying. > They can't understand you either. > > The first Southern expression to creep into a transplanted > Northerner's vocabulary is the adjective "big'ol," as in "big'ol > truck" or big'ol boy." Most Northerners begin their > Southern-influenced dialect this way. All of them are in denial > about it. > > The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer > proper. > > Be advised that "He needed killin" is a valid defense here. > > If you hear a Southerner exclaim, "Hey, ya'll, watch this," stay > out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he'll ever > say. > > If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the > smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local > grocery store. It doesn't matter whether you need anything or not. > You just have to go there. > > When you come up on a person driving 15 mph down the middle of the > road, remember that most folks learn to drive on a John Deere, and > that this is the proper speed and position for that vehicle. > > Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own > shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught > them how to aim. > > In the South, we have found that the best way to grow a lush, > green lawn is to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway. > > If you do settle in the South and bear children, don't think we will > accept them as Southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the > oven, we wouldn't call 'em biscuits. > >  1,, Summary-line: 11-Jun dontull@slip.net #Re: Hemiolas Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27551; Fri, 11 Jun 99 03:26:07 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15251; Fri, 11 Jun 99 03:25:40 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id DAA29630; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3760B66E.45E63205@slip.net> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: dontull@slip.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Don Tull To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Hemiolas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: dontull@slip.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Don Tull To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Hemiolas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) It strikes me that trying to make the case for a hemiola in "Ah, leave me not" is stretching things a bit too far. My understanding of the purpose of a hemiola is to throw the musical balance off by forcing three equal accents in a space in which there would normally only be two: 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 1 2 In a normal 3/4 measure, there is one primary accent on the first beat, so that in the top set of numbers there are two equal beats (the 1's) in six pulses. In the bottom example, there are three equal beats in six pulses, thereby throwing the balance of the music off in a foreshortening of the rhythmic structure for a brief, usually two measure pattern. If one were to sing the words in measures 5 & 6 with three equal beats, I think that most listeners would perceive the stresses as very mechanical: "mine, No hap - pi - ness so great 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 I seriously doubt that Sullivan had this in mind in his rather delicate setting of these words. To my ear, a good singer who is sensitive to the words would carefully lift off of "mine" so that the phrase did not end with a 'clunk' and then aim to unaccent "No" so that the main stress (gently) would land on what I would simply call an extended syncopation of "hap-". After which he/she would take great care to glide as unaccentedly as possible through "pi-ness" and come to rest with a slight nudge on "great". (Sorry if this seems a bit fussy).For me this would begin to have the semblance of a musically delivered phrase, all other things being equal. Simply put, a hemiola should have the conscious intent of setting the listener off balance. Here I think that Sullivan simply strove to elongate by syncopation the word which he most favored in the phrase. And by doing so, he left us with a more artful musical phrase rather than a straight 3/4 mundane one. Cheers, Don Tull Pmeason@aol.com wrote: > Specially for Helga, but possibly of general interest as there was some > discussion of the subject a few months ago. > > I found the perfect example of a Hemiola in the Canon ... much better than > the Ida example ... Pirates - "Ah Leave me not to pine alone". > > Counting from where the voice part enters, bars 5 and 6. Written as 2 bars > of 3/4, but clearly to be sung and stressed as 3 bars of 2/4 - the exact > textbook definition. Same in 2nd verse. > > Peter Meason  1,, Summary-line: 11-Jun mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: TGIF Funnies.... Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27073; Fri, 11 Jun 99 09:20:13 EDT Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14054; Fri, 11 Jun 99 09:20:34 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10sRDp-0003jJ-00; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:19:49 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:19:48 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , "Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)" , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , Shefsky , sooz , stevemartin Cc: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: TGIF Funnies.... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:19:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , Dan J , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , "Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)" , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , Shefsky , sooz , stevemartin Cc: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: TGIF Funnies.... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:19:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks, Eitan! @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > QUOTABLE QUOTES > > > > I stopped believing in Santa Claus when my mother took me to see him > > in a department store, and he asked for my autograph. --Shirley > > Temple > > > > > > I know that there are people in this world who do not love their > > fellow man, and I hate people like that! --Tom Lehrer > > > > I was going to buy a copy of The Power of Positive Thinking, and > then > > I thought: What good would that do? --Ronnie Shakes > > > > It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both > > incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by > > dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper. --Rod Serling > > > > Somewhere on this globe, every ten seconds, there is a woman giving > > birth to a child. She must be found and stopped. --Sam Levenson > > (1911-1980) > > > > Television - a medium. So called because it is neither rare nor > > well-done. --Ernie Kovacs > > > > Always remember this: If you don't attend the funerals of your > > friends, they will certainly not attend yours. --H.L. Mencken > > > > A good novel tells us the truth about its hero; but a bad novel > tells > > us the truth about its author. --G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936) > > > > Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the United States, > > unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine milimeter > > bullet. --Dave Barry > > > > This isn't right. It isn't even wrong. --Wolfgang Pauli, on a paper > > submitted by a physicist colleague > > > > Today you can go to a gas station and find the cash register open > and > > the toilets locked. They must think toilet paper is worth more than > > money. --Joey Bishop > > > > The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate > > --Franklin P. Jones > > > > Red meat is NOT bad for you. Now, blue-green meat, that's REALLY BAD > > for you. --Tommy Smothers > > > > When you go into court you are putting your fate into the hands of > > twelve people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. > > --Norm Crosby > > > > The imaginary friends I had as a kid dropped me because their > friends > > thought I didn't exist. --Aaron Machado > > > > I told the doctor I broke my leg in two places. He told me to quit > > going to those places. --Henny Youngman > > > > It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I > win > > or lose. --Darrin Weinberg > > > > Remember that as a teenager you are in the last stage of your life > in > > which you will be happy to hear that the phone is for you. --Fran > > Lebowitz >  1,, Summary-line: 11-Jun mlcar@MIT.EDU #Re: NEGASS calendar submission? Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06248; Fri, 11 Jun 99 09:53:30 EDT Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA11314 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [18.78.1.112] (OSPREY.MIT.EDU [18.78.1.112]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA03114 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199906110513.BAA13781@charon.MIT.EDU> References: Marion Leeds Carroll's message of Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:04:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:54:59 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Marion Leeds Carroll Subject: Re: NEGASS calendar submission? *** EOOH *** In-Reply-To: <199906110513.BAA13781@charon.MIT.EDU> References: Marion Leeds Carroll's message of Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:04:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:54:59 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Marion Leeds Carroll Subject: Re: NEGASS calendar submission? Thanks for the Actorsingers news. I've passed *your* comment on to Bill Mahoney; we'll find out what happened to your subscription! - Marion >Marion, > >I passed on your message to my contact at the Actorsingers. I don't >know if they'll have something ready for the immediate issue, so you >may have to wait until August to hear more. > >>you *do* still get the Bray, don't you? > >Actually, no. My bank informs me that my dues check has still not >been cashed, and I haven't received a Bray for the past few months. >I've been reading them online, and haven't gotten around to finding >out why my check got lost. > >-Dave Marion Leeds Carroll MIT Rm 33-407 mlcar@mit.edu Wk: 258-5810 MIT Dept of Aero/Astro Hm: 646-9115 http://web.mit.edu/mlcar/Public/www/mlcarroll.html * There is a fine line beween a Rocket Scientist and a Space Cadet *  1,, Summary-line: 11-Jun jmf@zk3.dec.com #Re: NEGASS newsletter Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09563; Fri, 11 Jun 99 10:05:22 EDT Received: from mail13.digital.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28165; Fri, 11 Jun 99 10:05:46 EDT Received: from flume.zk3.dec.com (yflume.zk3.dec.com [16.140.16.14]) by mail13.digital.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/WV2.0g) with ESMTP id KAA12793 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zk3.dec.com by flume.zk3.dec.com (8.8.8/1.1.8.2/16Jan95-0946AM) id KAA0000032290; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <376117D9.84E630B8@zk3.dec.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:06:17 -0400 From: Joshua Friedman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: NEGASS newsletter References: <199906110509.BAA13763@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:06:17 -0400 From: Joshua Friedman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: NEGASS newsletter References: <199906110509.BAA13763@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks Dave! I'm sure Actorsingers will consider it too early, but I like the teaser idea. Since Amy's doing doing all the publicity work for the last couple of shows, we could probably just take this into our own hands...  1,, Summary-line: 12-Jun mlcar@MIT.EDU #Re: jedlinski Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02319; Sat, 12 Jun 99 09:32:59 EDT Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA10245; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mlcar (jrcarroll.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.202.2]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA07906; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990612093242.009b0920@hesiod> X-Sender: mlcar@hesiod X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:32:42 -0400 To: Oldfife@aol.com From: Marion Leeds Carroll Subject: Re: jedlinski Cc: opus@mit.edu In-Reply-To: <8cd9ff70.2492fcb5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: mlcar@hesiod X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:32:42 -0400 To: Oldfife@aol.com From: Marion Leeds Carroll Subject: Re: jedlinski Cc: opus@mit.edu In-Reply-To: <8cd9ff70.2492fcb5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:58 PM 6/11/99 EDT, Bill wrote: >i have taken david jed out of the mail list (if he was ever in it) probably >because he hasn't paid for a few years. but he says he *did*! - but that his check hasn't been cashed. What now? Ope, can you maybe stop the check and send another one? - to NEGASS c/o Bill Mahoney, PO box 367, Arlington, MA 02476-0004. We had a problem a year or so ago with a - er - a *confused* treasurer - but that is over and gone, and the darkness has passed... i keep people in for a much longer >time than they deserve but once they are out of the data base they are not to >be retrieved. the memory is erased. as is mine. btw. my fantasy is to hear on >piano if nothing else some music from the hot mikado of 1939. i just picked >up the music today. should i contact eric? luv > Sure - contact Eric - I'm sure he'd love to play it! -- Marion Marion Leeds Carroll mlcar@mit.edu day: (617) 258-5810 eve: (781)646-9115 http://web.mit.edu/mlcar/Public/www/mlcarroll.html  1, edited,, Summary-line: 12-Jun houptm@emmanuel.edu #Annie Video Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04730; Sat, 12 Jun 99 18:00:02 EDT Received: from billiart.emmanuel.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21124; Sat, 12 Jun 99 17:59:33 EDT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:56:39 -0400 Subject: Annie Video To: opus@MIT.EDU From: houptm@emmanuel.edu (Megan A. Houpt) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:56:39 -0400 Subject: Annie Video To: opus@MIT.EDU From: houptm@emmanuel.edu (Megan A. Houpt) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Opus, The Annie video party was fun. I ended up only being there for twenty minutes as I had a surprise visit from my folks. Anyway, the money is in the mail. Here is the updated list. Plus, Kathleen O'Neil had wanted a video so if you could make one more that would be great. Thanks again so much for doing all of this. See you on Thursday evening at the Louise thing. :o) Megs # Name Contact info Email Paid Has Video 5 Turells 524-0785 no email Paid yes 1 Maureen O'Neil 732-3466 oneilma@emmanuel.edu Paid yes 1 Ben Boehm 232-3257 ext. 2200 bencoolb@mit.edu Paid yes 1 Sarah Consentino 739-7024 consensa@emmanuel.edu Paid yes 1 Sarah Ellis 732-1726 elliss@emmanuel.edu no no 1 Maria Spinale 776-5143 spinalma@emmanuel.edu Paid yes 1 Adrienne Jerome (978) 251-4199 adriennej@juno.com Paid no 1 Remis (781) 581-1204 dsridea@aol.com Paid yes 1 Josh Breindel 629-2787 joshua@brandeis.edu no no 1 Becca 731-3998 rac@bu.edu Paid yes 1 Megan Houpt 732-1687 houptm@emmanuel.edu Paid yes 1 Jenna Wilkinson 732-1641 wilkinj@emmanuel.edu Paid yes 1 Joe Lourenco 625-4252 funny614@aol.com Paid yes 1 Penny Bourgeois 822-9544 no email Paid no 1 Cheryl Meads 732-3424 meadsc@emmanuel.edu no no 1 Amanda Smerage out of date #asmerage@bu.edu Paid no 1 Jason Whiting 232-2480 orjazzem@hotmail.com Paid yes 1 Rachel Breed Janssen Paid yes 1 Christie Dolan Paid yes 1 Louise Cash Into the Woods no no 1 Louise Cash Annie no no 1 Scott Gagnon Paid yes 1 Christina Tridenti no no 1 Kathleen ONeil Paid yes The video's of people who have paid will be going out in the mail in the next couple of days and I will be harassing those who haven't paid yet and I will get them to get the money to you. I hope you were able to enjoy this beautiful weekend and if you have questions email or call me. Talk to you soon :o)  1,, Summary-line: 12-Jun meadsc@emmanuel.edu #Re: Annie Video Party Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA20644; Sat, 12 Jun 99 23:05:21 EDT Received: from billiart.emmanuel.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13538; Sat, 12 Jun 99 23:04:52 EDT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:01:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Annie Video Party To: houptm@emmanuel.edu Cc: joshua@brandeis.edu, blouinka@emmanuel.edu, bencoolb@MIT.EDU, consensa@emmanuel.edu, devinek@emmanuel.edu, elliss@emmanuel.edu, dumasje@emmanuel.edu, fordm@emmanuel.edu, gouveil@emmanuel.edu, aseret@alum.mit.edu, houptm@emmanuel.edu, funny614@aol.com, dennisjet@aol.com, mahanw@emmanuel.edu, meadsc@emmanuel.edu, opus@MIT.EDU, corvallis@gis.net, asmerage@bu.edu, spinalma@emmanuel.edu, tridentc@emmanuel.edu, tobinj@emmanuel.edu, nickw@MIT.EDU, wilkinj@emmanuel.edu, lcash@110.net, scott@hup.harvard.edu, rac@bu.edu, orjazzem@hotmail.com From: meadsc@emmanuel.edu (Cheryl K. Meads) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:01:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Annie Video Party To: houptm@emmanuel.edu Cc: joshua@brandeis.edu, blouinka@emmanuel.edu, bencoolb@MIT.EDU, consensa@emmanuel.edu, devinek@emmanuel.edu, elliss@emmanuel.edu, dumasje@emmanuel.edu, fordm@emmanuel.edu, gouveil@emmanuel.edu, aseret@alum.mit.edu, houptm@emmanuel.edu, funny614@aol.com, dennisjet@aol.com, mahanw@emmanuel.edu, meadsc@emmanuel.edu, opus@MIT.EDU, corvallis@gis.net, asmerage@bu.edu, spinalma@emmanuel.edu, tridentc@emmanuel.edu, tobinj@emmanuel.edu, nickw@MIT.EDU, wilkinj@emmanuel.edu, lcash@110.net, scott@hup.harvard.edu, rac@bu.edu, orjazzem@hotmail.com From: meadsc@emmanuel.edu (Cheryl K. Meads) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Meegs, I am sorry that I wasn't able to attend the party :( I have been swamped with vacations and work! I would like to ask you if you could get my tape for me and I will certainly pay you the next time I see you. I would really appreciate it. I don't check this email as often as I would like, but, if you would like to call me, you can surely feel free to. Actually, if you could do that and let me know if that's o.k. I would really appreciate it, I don't want the chance to get a video pass me by. It's just really difficult for me to get to Boston to get the video. Thanks Meegs. I appreciate it! With Regards, Cheryl  1, forwarded,, Summary-line: 14-Jun CJ@sftlaw.com #The 1999 Darwin Awards Are In! Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24107; Mon, 14 Jun 99 09:07:05 EDT Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21400; Mon, 14 Jun 99 09:06:33 EDT Received: from SFT_PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:08:13 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:07:50 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: Cc: , Subject: The 1999 Darwin Awards Are In! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:07:50 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: Cc: , Subject: The 1999 Darwin Awards Are In! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline For those of you who wouldn't otherwise see these gems.... ** *** ** ** * * ** * ** * *** * * * ** * * * ** * * The true high point of the e-mail year has arrived. Yes it is the 1999 Darwin Awards. For those sheltered few of you who are not fully aware of the Darwin Awards, these awards are given annually (and posthumously) to those individuals who did the most for the human gene pool by removing themselves from it. DARWIN AWARD RUNNERS-UP: #1 - LOS ANGELES, CA. Ani Saduki, 33, and his brother decided to remove a bees' nest from a shed on their property with the aid of a pineapple. A pineapple is an illegal firecracker which is the explosive equivalent of one-half stick of dynamite. They ignited the fuse and retreated to watch from inside their home, behind a window some 10 feet away from the hive/shed. The concussion of the explosion shattered the window inwards, seriously lacerating Ani. Deciding Mr. Saduki needed stitches, the brothers headed out to go to a nearby hospital. While walking towards their car, Ani was stung three times by the surviving bees. Unbeknownst to either brother, Ani was allergic to bee venom, and died of suffocation en-route to the hospital. #2 - Derrick L. Richards, 28, was charged in April in Minneapolis with third-degree murder in the death of his beloved cousin, Kenneth E. Richards. According to police, Derrick suggested a game of Russian roulette and put a semiautomatic pistol (instead of the more traditional revolver) to Ken's head and fired. #3 - PHILLIPSBURG, NJ. An unidentified 29 year old male choked to death on a sequined pastie he had orally removed from an exotic dancer at a local establishment. "I didn't think he was going to eat it," the dancer identified only as "Ginger" said, adding "He was really drunk." #5 - MOSCOW, Russia. A drunk security man asked a colleague at the Moscow bank they were guarding to stab his bulletproof vest to see if it would protect him against a knife attack. It didn't, and the 25-year-old guard died of a heart wound. (It's good to see the Russians getting into the spirit of the Darwin Awards.) #6 - In FRANCE, Jacques LeFevrier left nothing to chance when he decided to commit suicide. He stood at the top of a tall cliff and tied a noose around his neck. He tied the other end of the rope to a large rock. He drank some poison and set fire to his clothes. He even tried to shoot himself at the last moment. He jumped and fired the pistol. The bullet missed him completely and cut through the rope above him. Free of the threat of hanging, he plunged into the sea. The sudden dunking extinguished the flames and made him vomit the poison. He was dragged out of the water by a kind fisherman and was taken to a hospital, where he died of hypothermia. #7 - RENTON, WASHINGTON, USA. A Renton, Washington man tried to commit a robbery. This was probably his first attempt, as suggested by the fact that he had no previous record of violent crime, and by his terminally stupid choices as listed below: 1. The target was H&J Leather & Firearms...a gun shop. 2. The shop was full of customers, in a state where a substantial portion of the adult population is licensed to carry concealed handguns in public places. 3. To enter the shop, he had to step around a marked Police patrol car parked at the front door. 4. An officer in uniform was standing next to the counter, having coffee before reporting to duty. Upon seeing the officer, the would-be robber announced a holdup and fired a few wild shots. The officer and a clerk promptly returned fire, removing him from the gene pool. Several other customers also drew their guns, but didn't fire. No one else was hurt. AND THE 1998 DARWIN AWARD WINNER IS..... THOMPSON, MANITOBA, CANADA. Telephone relay company night watchman Edward Baker, 31, was killed early Christmas morning by excessive microwave radiation exposure. He was apparently attempting to keep warm next to a telecommunications feed-horn. Baker had been suspended on a safety violation once last year, according to Northern Manitoba Signal Relay spokesperson Tanya Cooke. She noted that Baker's earlier infraction was for defeating a safety shut-off switch and entering a restricted maintenance catwalk in order to stand in front of the microwave dish. He had told coworkers that it was the only way he could stay warm during his twelve-hour shift at the station, where winter temperatures often dip to forty below zero. Microwaves can heat water molecules within human tissue in the same way that they heat food in microwave ovens. For his Christmas shift, Baker reportedly brought a twelve pack of beer and a plastic lawn chair, which he positioned directly in line with the strongest microwave beam. Baker had not been told about a tenfold boost in microwave power planned that night to handle the anticipated increase in holiday long-distance calling traffic. Baker's body was discovered by the daytime watchman, John Burns, who was greeted by an odor he mistook for a Christmas roast he thought Baker must have prepared as a surprise. Burns also reported to NMSR company officials that Baker's unfinished beers had exploded.  1,, Summary-line: 16-Jun CJ@sftlaw.com #redneck engineering test Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29122; Wed, 16 Jun 99 09:45:41 EDT Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15874; Wed, 16 Jun 99 09:46:05 EDT Received: from SFT_PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:46:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:46:28 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: Cc: , Subject: redneck engineering test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:46:28 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Mallion" To: Cc: , Subject: redneck engineering test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline =20 1. Calculate the smallest limb diameter on a persimmon tree that will support a 10 lb. possum. 2. Which of the following cars will rust out the quickest when placed on blocks in your front yard?=20 A) 66 Ford Fairlane B) 69 Chevrolet Chevelle C) 64 Pontiac GTO 3. If your uncle builds a still that operates at a capacity of 20 gallons of shine per hour, how many car radiators are necessary to condense the product? 4. A pulpwood cutter has a chain saw that operates at 2700 rpm. The density of the pine trees in a plot to be harvested is 470 per acre.The plot is 2.3 acres in size. The average tree diameter is 14 inches. How many Pabst Blue Ribbons will be consumed in cutting the trees? 5. If every old refrigerator in the state vented its charge of R-12 simultaneously, what would be the decrease in the ozone layer? 6. A front porch is constructed of 2x8 pine on 24-inch centers with a field rock foundation. The span is 8 feet and the porch length is 16 feet. The porch floor is1 inch rough sawn pine. When the porch collapses, how many hound dogs will be hurt? 7. A man owns a house and 3.7 acres of land in a hollar with an average slope of 15%. The man has 5 children. Can each of the children place a mobile home on the man's land? 8. A 2 ton pulpwood truck is overloaded and proceeding down a steep grade on a secondary road at 45 mph. The brakes fail. Given the average traffic loading of secondary roads, how many people will swerve to avoid the truck before it crashes at the bottom of the = mountain?=20 For extra credit----, how many of the vehicles that swerved will have = mufflers and uncracked windshields? 9. A coal mine operates as an NFPA Class 1, Division 2 Hazardous Area. The mine employs 120 miners per shift. A gas warning is issued at the beginning of 3rd shift. How many cartons of unfiltered Camels will be smoked during the shift? 10. How many generations will it take before cattle develop two legs shorter than the others because of grazing along a mountain side?  1,, Summary-line: 29-Jun mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: LATEST BUMPER STICKERS Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22966; Tue, 29 Jun 99 16:03:54 EDT Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20085; Tue, 29 Jun 99 16:03:07 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10z46G-0005Oj-00; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:03:24 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:03:19 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , "Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)" , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , Shefsky , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: LATEST BUMPER STICKERS Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:03:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Cc: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , "Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)" , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , NEFF , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , Shefsky , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: LATEST BUMPER STICKERS Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:03:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > GUYS: No shirt, no service. GALS: No shirt, no charge. > > If walking is so good for you, then why does my mailman look like > Jabba > the Hut?? > > Impotence: Nature's way of saying "No hard feelings" > > I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. > > We have enough youth, how about a fountain of smart? > > Axe me about Ebonics > > Boldly going nowhere > > Cat: The other white meat > > CAUTION - Driver legally blonde > > Don't be sexist - broads hate that! > > Eat Well, Stay Fit, Die Anyway > > He's not dead, He's electroencephalographically challenged > > If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you > > If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets > > If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now > > WARNING! Driver only carries $20.00 in ammunition > > What has four legs and an arm? A happy pit bull > > Your ridiculous little opinion has been noted. > > Save the trees ... Wipe your butt with an owl. > > Necrophilia: That uncontrollable urge to crack open a cold one. > > Honk if you've never seen an Uzi fired from a car window > > Seen on the back of a biker's vest: If you can read this, my wife fell > off. > > If you can beat me, you can eat me! (seen on a Corvette driven by a > "drop-dead gorgeous blonde") > > Who lit the fuse on your tampon?! (men saying this are known to die a > violent death) > > Fight Crime: Shoot Back! > > If you can read this, please flip me back over... (seen upside down, > on > a Jeep) > > Please tell your pants it's not polite to point. > > A pat on the back is only a few centimeters from a kick in the ass. > > Never raise your hands to your kids; it leaves your groin unprotected. > > Feel safe tonight ... Sleep with a cop. > > Remember folks: Stop lights timed for 35mph are also timed for 70mph  1,, Summary-line: 30-Jun rac@bu.edu #Re: Warning about geocities Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27635; Wed, 30 Jun 99 10:40:51 EDT Received: from ACS4.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22753; Wed, 30 Jun 99 10:41:25 EDT Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs4.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0.ACS)/) with SMTP id KAA57416 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:40:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:40:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Warning about geocities In-Reply-To: <199906291748.NAA05836@charon.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:40:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Warning about geocities In-Reply-To: <199906291748.NAA05836@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I really don't like the sound of that. I wonder what my other options are? :o( On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, David C. Jedlinsky wrote: > > You might want to be careful with your geocities account until > (unless) this gets cleared up: > > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.html > > Speaking personally, I wouldn't agree to the new contract. > > -Dave >  1,, Summary-line: 30-Jun rac@bu.edu #Re: Warning about geocities Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06003; Wed, 30 Jun 99 11:04:48 EDT Received: from ACS4.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24667; Wed, 30 Jun 99 11:04:08 EDT Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs4.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0.ACS)/) with SMTP id LAA78380 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:04:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:04:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Warning about geocities In-Reply-To: <199906291748.NAA05836@charon.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:04:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Warning about geocities In-Reply-To: <199906291748.NAA05836@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OK, so I have a question. If I wanted to take the Theater Guild web site and save it to, say, a ZIP disk, what is the easiest way to do that? Is there a way to make it work from the ZIP disk? I'm thinking that we'll probably want to put that on the emmanuel.edu site at some point anyway... Thanks for the warning. I hope my mom didn't already agree to that information! But she probably did... :o/ Becca On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, David C. Jedlinsky wrote: > > You might want to be careful with your geocities account until > (unless) this gets cleared up: > > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.html > > Speaking personally, I wouldn't agree to the new contract. > > -Dave >  1, edited,, Summary-line: 2-Jul LISTSERV@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU #FERRET-L Digest - 1 Jul 1999 to 2 Jul 1999 (#1999-2728) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18050; Fri, 2 Jul 99 04:02:26 EDT Received: from listserv.cuny.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01014; Fri, 2 Jul 99 04:02:57 EDT Message-Id: <9907020802.AA01014@MIT.EDU> Received: from listserv (listserv.cuny.edu) by listserv.cuny.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <1.FEB13344@listserv.cuny.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 4:06:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 04:00:00 -0400 Reply-To: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu Sender: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu From: Automatic digest processor Subject: FERRET-L Digest - 1 Jul 1999 to 2 Jul 1999 (#1999-2728) To: Recipients of FERRET-L digests *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 04:00:00 -0400 Reply-To: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu Sender: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu From: Automatic digest processor Subject: FERRET-L Digest - 1 Jul 1999 to 2 Jul 1999 (#1999-2728) To: Recipients of FERRET-L digests Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:28:09 EDT From: Beth Comarow Subject: Dr. Weiss' Lupron, Casodex and Arimidex Protocols Available for Your Vets Dr. Weiss gave me a protocol sheet to type up called "Medical Treatment of Hyperadrenocorticism in the Ferret." He wrote it for all of the veterinarians who have been calling about lupron and the two other drugs he used in his study to treat adrenal tumors in non-surgical candidates. This sheet contains the 3 protocols he uses. The study has been completed and submitted to a journal but has not yet been published so is not available. However, he does not want to withhold information that may help treatment of ferrets. He has been able to locate a pharmacy with an 800 number which will compound lupron into 1-ferret sized 4-month doses (2 mg/ferret). That means a veterinarian no longer has to buy a human sized dose (30 mg) which is far more costly. The pharmacy number is listed on the sheet. The 2 mg 4-month dose comes in two vials - a liquid and a powder. They can be stored indefinitely until mixed. Once mixed they should be used immediately. There has been some confusion over the 1-month versus 4-month lupron. Giving more of the 1-month lupron will not make it last longer. The microspheres are time release (think of your Contact cold capsules, but the release being over a longer period) and will dissolve after 1 month, no matter how much is given. The 4-month dose ends up being less expensive as well. It will sometimes last for 6+ months. I spoke with a shelter director recently; her two ferrets who participated in the study are 6 1/2 months past their first lupron injection, and there has been no return of symptoms so far. If you would like me to send you a copy of the two-page protocol, please email me privately, and let me know if you want it in an email, attached in a Word document, or attached in a WordPerfect document. Dr. Weiss is receiving huge numbers of calls about the study, and is also faxing this same information out to veterinarians. Of course, should your veterinarians need information beyond what is on the sheet, they may call him. The pharmacy that he has located is familiar with the protocol; he has spoken with all three pharmacists, and they are used to shipping all over the country. Again, please email me privately to receive a copy. All the best - Beth + Miska + Pads + Gabby + Smudge + David  1,, Summary-line: 2-Jul r-despard@ruddigore.frees #Shock - Gilbert into bestiality! Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18120; Fri, 2 Jul 99 13:10:54 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11226; Fri, 2 Jul 99 13:11:28 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24856; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <000501bec4ad$5cea5540$f655883e@unet.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: sir-despard@ruddigore.freeserve.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Michael Nash" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Shock - Gilbert into bestiality! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: sir-despard@ruddigore.freeserve.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Michael Nash" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Shock - Gilbert into bestiality! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Historian and author Dr. Henri Pleine-de-Merde today published his extensive research into Victorian theatre and the sex lives of Victorian playwrights, with the shocking news that Sir William Schwenk Gilbert, author of the Bab Ballads and the lyrical half of Gilbert and Sullivan, enjoyed sexual relations with cats. Dr. Pleine-de-Merde explained: "There are hundreds of coded references to his sexual preferences in the Savoy operas. The evidence is overwhelming. For instance:- "1) In 'HMS Pinafore', there is the exchange:- "CHORUS: Goodness me, why what was that? "DEADEYE: Silent be, it was the cat! "CHORUS: It was, it was the cat! "CAPTAIN (brandishing cat'o'nine-tails): They're right, it was the cat! "The sexual symbolism of the whip is obvious. Also, Deadeye's second word is 'be', which can be interpreted as an abbreviation for 'bestiality'. "2) In 'Patience', Bunthorne 'has to be contented with a tulip or lily'. It is believed that Tulip and Lily were two cats who belonged to the next-door-neighbour of Gilbert's mother when she was a child. "3) In 'Yeomen Of The Guard', Wilfred's cut song 'When Jealous Torments' refers to 'the cat you fondle, soft and sly'. The thinly-veiled meaning is easily discerned, and explains why the song was cut from the opera - it was just too steamy for Victorian audiences. "Also, there is evidence from Gilbert's private life:- "4) He called his wife 'kitten'. I need say no more. "5) Whenever Gilbert was photographed, he always wore a pocket watch with a chain. The shape a chain forms when hanging freely with both ends fixed is known as a catenary, the first three letters of which are 'cat'. "One must wait and see whether the appeal of Gilbert's works will survive such a devastating revelation," Dr. Pleine-de-Merde concluded. Mike. "The wicked baronet of sensational fiction, and it serves him right"  1,, Summary-line: 2-Jul lsimons@mail.usa.com #Mikado Full Score Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09087; Fri, 2 Jul 99 19:07:44 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25821; Fri, 2 Jul 99 19:07:01 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04465; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <990702190147D9.01712@weba4.iname.net> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: lsimons@mail.usa.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: lsimons@mail.usa.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Mikado Full Score Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: lsimons@mail.usa.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: lsimons@mail.usa.com To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Mikado Full Score Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Many thanks to all the people who have replied to me both privately and publicly with comments, encouragement and/or advice. I really wasn't thinking straight when I contemplated posting the page-images on the forum: the zip-file of just the Overture is almost half a meg (and that's only scanned at 200dpi - I intend to re-scan the whole thing at 300dpi which will produce clearer and more detailed images but will naturally make the zip-file even bigger still!). I wouldn't want to upset all those poor devils who have to endure life without Yum-Yum AND don't want to receive their very own free full score, so I have finally decided that I am going to make the zip-files available on my own mini-BBS for a limited time for anyone who wants to take the trouble to call in and download them: watch this space for access details to follow! They will be in PCX format, which everyone can print (at least everyone who runs Windows!) - not everyone has the necessary software to handle PDF's or EPS's, but all Windows users have either PaintBrush (Windows 3.x) or Paint (Windows 4.x alias 95 & 98). One word of war! ni! ! ! ng: the pages are formatted for European A4 paper (approx. 11.7 x 8.3 inches) and might not quite fit on US "letter" paper which is only 11 inches long without a minimal scaling down. I was surprised how many people worked out what "TLM" stands for (perhaps I shouldn't have been though) and well, almost, Philip Sternenberg of Bergenfield NJ (private message) - actually my three stepdaughters (more precisely my ex-significant-other's daughters) Rosie, Heather & Ruthie. For those who are interested (and even for those who aren't!), this is the background behind my Mikado score. A-many years ago I was after a full score and couldn't get one anywhere (I only discovered afterwards that Kalmus have one on sale, but more of that later). I too have read that Bosworth issued one but I've been unable to locate a copy (although I was offered sight of a German version by Bosworth ca. 1920 - I didn't bother!). I soon found that the D'Oyly Carte Opera Company were only pleased to HIRE me a score AND parts - for a price, ditto ditto Chappell, Schirmer and others. But their prices were all far too high and, in any case, I am uneasy about the musical provenance of all the scores/parts other than DC's and possibly Chappell's. Marc Shepherd tells me (private message) that the Kalmus edition is a reproduction of Bosworth's edition of 1894, but I have actually spoken to Kalmus and they themselves were unable to confirm the origin of the material. Bear i! n ! ! ! mind the amount of piracy that went on with G&S music in their own time, particularly in the US where our pair were very popular and the copyright position was, to say the least, ambiguous. Then I discovered that the library of the Royal Academy of Music had allowed the autograph (one of their most treasured possessions) to be photographed and published in facsimile all the way back in 1968 (by a publishing house called Gregg International, who seem to have sunk without trace!). Well, both Gilbert and Sullivan are long out of copyright and, indeed, even the facsimile edition is too now (apart from the text of the short "Introduction" by Gordon Jacob). I could do what I liked with the facsimile and beggar DC! So I obtained a copy from a public library and - well, the rest is history. Oh, and in answer to the many people who have enquired, I use Finale (currently version 98d). I know that OUP will be releasing a new edition (based, like mine, on the autograph) next year and the new Dover edition (apparently also a reproduction of the same score as Kalmus') will not be available here in the UK until November although it has already gone on sale in the States, so it IS true to say that it is not CURRENTLY available (here)! The Dover score will apparently retail at about 15 UKP, by the way, which is astonishing when you compare the price of the Kalmus score - 170 UKP!!! The reason why this music is so hard to purchase (if you even can) is all too obvious: DC still own the original orchestral material and have never allowed it to be published, because they find hiring it out far more lucrative! My late father used to say that a certain very ancient *profession* makes very sound business sense, because you've got it - you sell it - but you've still got it! Now a couple of individual replies---- To Helga Perry, Music Department, University of Birmingham: Precisely which "variants" in the Act I Finale are you referring to? The only variant I noticed is that Nanki-Poo has "Oh, rapture!" (on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quavers of the bar and all on B-flat) in bar 64 and Yum-Yum has the same in bar 66. *Authentic* means that it has been faithfully re-scored from Sullivan's (and Hamilton Clarke's) own handwriting, while remaining consistent with current Vocal Scores - e.g. Ko-Ko's little list song remains in E-flat even though Sullivan actually wrote it in D and I have left the repeat where it stands in the vocal scores. I have also taken the liberty of re-arranging the staves into what today would be considered the normal order (Sullivan put the vocalists in the middle of the strings, below the violas, for example), and have transposed all the horn and trumpet parts for the modern orchestral instruments in F and B-flat respectively (Sullivan actually wrote for horns in many different keys and cornets in A and B-flat). Samuel Silvers suggested (in a private message, I wonder why?!!!) that instead of giving the score away I should offer it for sale and SELL it. Why, Sam? It was a labour of love and, as we have already heard, there will soon be at least two commercial editions available. But seriously, I am happy to put the full score in the public domain to the extent that it may freely be used and even copied for private study and also for performance by amateur non-profit companies. I shall be preparing a complete set of parts in due course but there will have to be some charge for those, if only to cover production costs and printing time. But anyone wishing to use my scores and especially my parts for commercial productions will naturally be expected to cough up some readies for the privilege! Larry Simons --------------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email from USA.com at http://mail.usa.com  1,, Summary-line: 4-Jul mlpeters@sdg.com #Re: Summer party in NH Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21589; Sun, 4 Jul 99 14:20:25 EDT Received: from proxy.sdg.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07230; Sun, 4 Jul 99 14:19:41 EDT Received: from cable-car.sdg.com (cable-car.sdg.com [192.168.100.83]) by proxy.sdg.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA00924 for ; Sun, 04 Jul 1999 11:20:22 -0700 From: mlpeters@sdg.com Subject: Re: Summer party in NH To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 18:28:09 GMT Message-Id: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mimetrack: Serialize by Router on Hub02/menlo/sdg(Release 5.0a (Intl)|4 May 1999) at 07/04/99 10:58:56 AM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii *** EOOH *** From: mlpeters@sdg.com Subject: Re: Summer party in NH To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 18:28:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mimetrack: Serialize by Router on Hub02/menlo/sdg(Release 5.0a (Intl)|4 May 1999) at 07/04/99 10:58:56 AM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii portnoy@ai.mit.edu or portnoy@portnoy.org or portnoy@alum.mit.edu If ai bounced, it may be their server is down -- been happening a lot the last couple weeks.  1,, Summary-line: 7-Jul CMajor@sembler.com #7/7/77 Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA00653; Wed, 7 Jul 99 08:49:03 EDT Received: from [38.208.66.4] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05939; Wed, 7 Jul 99 08:48:15 EDT Received: from SEMBLER_DOM-Message_Server by 38.208.66.4 with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:49:31 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:49:23 -0400 From: "Cindy Major" To: Subject: 7/7/77 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:49:23 -0400 From: "Cindy Major" To: Subject: 7/7/77 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Oh that's right, you were born in 67. Well, no neat numbers, but.... H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y !!!!!!!! Did the ferrets jump on you in bed this morning and say, "wake up Daddy, = it's your birthday!" No? Well I guess that ferret training class $ went = down the drain. What are your special plans? Does Ruth have a hot date = planned for you two? It's not Monday, so you won't be dining at Mary's I = presume. Go crazy. Let your hair down. Er, let Ruth's hair down. So, now that everyone else bought you stuff, what is left for your little = sis to splurge on? Have they invented the interactive Opus yet? That's an = idea. If you make it I get 50% of the profits. Let me know how life is up in NH. I hear you had a party. How'd it go? Did = Dad go? We were boring. Cathy and Jack and Deborah came up from FL and we = went to Helen on Saturday and decided to stay at home on Sunday and just = cook out. We had a good time anyway.=20 Robert and I went to Journey Monday night. It was REALLY good. and REALLY = hot. They played at Chastain ampitheatre which is outside. Talk to you soon! Happy B-day!!!!  1,, Summary-line: 7-Jul dennisj@charter-ne.com #A Funny Postcard! Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29774; Wed, 7 Jul 99 16:50:34 EDT Received: from ohmygoodness.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06231; Wed, 7 Jul 99 16:49:41 EDT Received: (from ohmygood@localhost) by ohmygoodness.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA03113 for Opus@mit.edu; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:50:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:50:18 -0400 From: dennisj@charter-ne.com Message-Id: <199907072050.QAA03113@ohmygoodness.com> Reply-To: dennisj@charter-ne.com To: Opus@MIT.EDU Subject: A Funny Postcard! *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:50:18 -0400 From: dennisj@charter-ne.com Reply-To: dennisj@charter-ne.com To: Opus@MIT.EDU Subject: A Funny Postcard! There is a Funny Postcard waiting for you ! It's from DAD at (dennisj@charter-ne.com). 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Thank you, This is a FREE service from http://www.ohmygoodness.com  1,, Summary-line: 7-Jul dennisj@charter-ne.com #32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 Received: from [18.72.1.2] by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03492; Wed, 7 Jul 99 17:04:09 EDT Received: from tics1.charter-ne.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA09597; Wed, 7 Jul 99 17:01:51 EDT Received: from tics5.charter-ne.com (tics5.charter-ne.com [208.233.119.39]) by tics1.charter-ne.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15463 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:58:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dennisj@charter-ne.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by tics5.charter-ne.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17068; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:58:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dennisj@charter-ne.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907072058.QAA17068@tics5.charter-ne.com> Subject: 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 To: "David Jedlinsky" From: "dennis jedlinsky" Reply-To: "dennis jedlinsky" Cc: Organization: Charter Communications *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 To: "David Jedlinsky" From: "dennis jedlinsky" Reply-To: "dennis jedlinsky" Cc: Organization: Charter Communications Happy Birthday sonny boy. You're really getting up there. I can even remember when I was 32, even with Alzheimer's. I will try to give you a call this evening, but I have to leave for Needham tonight and i might miss you. If so, I'll call tomorrow evening after I get back from the trip. So, Happy Birthday if I don't get through today. I'm also a bit late with the card, too, but I'll get into the mail ASAP. This procrastination must have rubbed off on me from Cindy. Love you. I'll call you later. Say Hi to Ruth. Dad  1,, Summary-line: 9-Jul oakapple2@yahoo.com #Opera Scores Online Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05992; Fri, 9 Jul 99 16:11:23 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18809; Fri, 9 Jul 99 16:12:00 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16107; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19990709195850.23261.rocketmail@web125.yahoomail.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Opera Scores Online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Opera Scores Online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum A professor at Indiana University has launched a pilot project to put operatic scores on-line. None of the scores that have been posted to this point are by Sullivan, but it may provide a useful prototype for anyone who may be so inclined. The URL is: http://www.dlib.indiana.edu/variations/scores/scores.html === Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com  1,, Summary-line: 10-Jul lizaq@artsitedesign.com #RE: Summer party in NH Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03224; Sat, 10 Jul 99 07:45:32 EDT Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10976; Sat, 10 Jul 99 07:44:43 EDT Received: from lizaq (user-2ive87l.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.32.245]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA12601 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:45:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "LizaQ@artsitedesign com" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: RE: Summer party in NH Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:55:10 -0400 Message-Id: <000001becacb$103f2c60$f520f7a5@lizaq> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199907041758.NAA01779@charon.MIT.EDU> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 *** EOOH *** From: "LizaQ@artsitedesign com" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: RE: Summer party in NH Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:55:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199907041758.NAA01779@charon.MIT.EDU> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hi! Thank you, thank you for this lovely invitation! Distressingly, I've only just really gotten it. I have personal email through the website design company for which I work *very* parttime, and they've spent most of the last three months having all sorts of troubles with the host they were using. As a result delivery of email has been erratic and weird, to say the least, and frustrating, to say rather more. I hate to think of what the host may have eaten by way of personal mail...the professional stuff's automatically sent both to me and to my boss, so I know that's safe, but the personal's quite a different matter. Sigh. Let's hope the switch is effective. Anyway, even though it's day-of, I thought it would be at least polite to respond to your invite. Apologies, again, for not doing so beforehand; I dislike people who fail to RSVP and so am particularly frustrated when I make the same error. Unfortunately, I can't come today, much as I would like to, as I'm spending most of the day at the church where I'm a professional soloist, singing first a funeral and then a wedding. Bad timing, but mine own. I would, however, really love to see you and Ruth and the rest of the gang again. Have the weekend suppers begun again? Any chance I can still get in on those, perhaps? Do let me know. And thanks again for the invite to the shindig today; it sounds like it's going to be marvelous. Keep me posted. --Liza -----Original Message----- From: David C. Jedlinsky [mailto:opus@mit.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 04, 1999 1:59 PM To: opus@ATHENA.MIT.EDU Subject: Summer party in NH Here's a reminder about our party next Saturday. If there's a chance that you're coming, let us know by Friday so we can be sure to have enough food. Also let us know if you've got any special dietary restrictions. We'd like to try out my new volleyball set, play some croquet, jump on the trampoline, have a super-soaker war, and other summery activities. Bring something you think would be fun! Sun block for the daytime and bug spray for the evening might be a good idea. In case you lost it, here's the original message: It's time for our annual party & BBQ at our home in (hopefully) sunny New Hampshire. Come up, have fun, play croquet, soak your enemies, or just hang out. Who: You! What: Party. Duh. Where: Toyland, Milford, NH When: Saturday, July 10, 2:00-whenever Why: Fun, games, friends How: Car or bike RSVP: opus@mit.edu From Boston: Take I-93 North to I-495 South to Route 3 North. Alternately, you can take I-93 North to Route 128 South to Route 3 North. The key is to get to Route 3 North. Drive until you find New Hampshire. Continue below. From New Hampshire: Find your way to Route 3 in Nashua. Go to exit 7 or 8 (Route 101A West) - it doesn't matter which, except that exit 8 misses some lights. Follow 101A West for several miles. Just after you cross route 122 (and some railroad tracks), take Route 101 West (second left, towards Milford). Go down one exit, get off at Route 13. Turn left at the bottom of the ramp. Go about 1 mile, look for Colburn Rd. on your left, just after DataProducts (also on the left). If you see a garden center or Ladd's convenience store, you've gone too far. End Game: Turn onto Colburn. Drive to the end (about 2 miles). Turn right onto Foster Road. Number 4 is the last driveway on the right just before the road turns into dirt (which might be hard to notice if there's snow). There is only a mailbox with a "4" on it to let you know you've found the place. The house is *definitely* not visible from the road. Yes, the long dirt road you just turned onto is in fact our driveway. Yes, it is long and bumpy. Drive *very* slowly. If it has rained recently, buy pontoons. Don't hit the occasional reflectors, or you will be unhappy. They mark hazards. You can't miss the house once you're on the driveway... Alternate Directions for the Adventurous, or those wishing to avoid an overturned tanker truck on Route 3: These directions are for people heading out from the Alewife area, or those who live in the Concord/Acton/Sudbury area. The estimated time from Medford to Milford is about one hour using the following route. Note that the roads try to lose you occasionally - pay attention to road signs, and really make that hard left at the lights if the sign says to do so. Head out on Route 2 West. Go past 128, into no-man's land (west of the belt). Drive out into Concord, until you reach a big rotary by the prison (sorry, House of Correction). Spin off on the 2A/119 road. Follow Route 119 for a *long* time, about half an hour or more. During this time, you will pass over route 495 in Littleton. Eventually, you'll reach Townsend. Look for signs indicating Route 13. Take Route 13 North. Drive for about fifteen minutes. You will pass Route 130 on the way (landmark to make you start paying attention). After about four miles past 130, look for "Ladd's" market on the left. About one mile after that, Colburn Road will be on your right. If you come across Dataproducts on the right, or Route 101 further on, you've gone too far. Turn around and look for Colburn on the left this time. When you get to Colburn, follow the directions under "End Game", above.  1, edited,, Summary-line: 12-Jul LISTSERV@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU #FERRET-L Digest - 11 Jul 1999 to 12 Jul 1999 (#1999-2738) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05379; Mon, 12 Jul 99 03:02:41 EDT Received: from listserv.cuny.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14724; Mon, 12 Jul 99 03:03:20 EDT Message-Id: <9907120703.AA14724@MIT.EDU> Received: from listserv (listserv.cuny.edu) by listserv.cuny.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <3.FFBA0185@listserv.cuny.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 3:07:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 03:00:00 -0400 Reply-To: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu Sender: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu From: Automatic digest processor Subject: FERRET-L Digest - 11 Jul 1999 to 12 Jul 1999 (#1999-2738) To: Recipients of FERRET-L digests *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 03:00:00 -0400 Reply-To: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu Sender: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu From: Automatic digest processor Subject: FERRET-L Digest - 11 Jul 1999 to 12 Jul 1999 (#1999-2738) To: Recipients of FERRET-L digests Topics of the day: 1. All About Lupron. Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:03:37 EDT From: Beth Comarow Subject: All About Lupron. The following post is from Charles Weiss, DVM, to help the ferret community understand Lupron, a new medical treatment for adrenal tumors. If you have not yet requested his Lupron/Casodex/Arimidex protocol sheet for your veterinarian, just email me and I'll send it to you. Let me know if you' want it in Word, WordPerfect, or copied and pasted in an email, please. I suggest you give this post to your veterinarians as well. If you like your documents pretty, I'd be glad to email you this post as a Word or WordPerfect document, or separate email as well. All the best - Beth + Miska the #1 Ferret + Pads + Gabby + Smudge + David ALL ABOUT LUPRON. I don't usually have time to write posts, but I felt it was important to clarify some confusion surrounding the different forms and dosages of Lupron., and briefly discuss adrenal tumors. There have been some inaccuracies in some posts and emails that I've read about the forms in which Lupron comes. I have done extensive research in this area and will try to pass on some of the key information. The protocol information sheet for veterinarians that Beth Comarow (Miskabc@aol.com) is distributing for me is the result of treating more than 150 ferrets with the drug and not based upon hearsay or a few cases, so I think the information is accurate. I urge you to exercise caution before acting on unsubstantiated information or claims that you may read. Treatment of Adrenal Tumors in the Ferret The treatment of choice for this condition is surgical removal of the adrenal tumor. The adrenal tumor produces an excess of testosterone and/or estrogen which results in all of the symptoms we see, including but not limited to: hair loss, males straining to urinate, swollen vulva, lethargy and return-to-male sexual behavior or aggression. Approximately 25% of adrenal tumors are malignant; therefore, surgical removal is the best treatment. Medical treatment is reserved for ferrets who are not good surgical candidates - too weak or otherwise sick to tolerate surgery well, or when surgery cannot be done.. The medical treatment for this condition involves drugs that block and decrease the production of estrogen and testosterone. Therefore, these medical treatments are unlikely to affect the adrenal tumor(s) themselves, but they can reverse all of the symptoms. None of the new medical treatments are approved for ferrets, although they appear to be safe, and long term treatment results are not available. (I should point out that most drugs, from Amoxi-drops to Lysodren, have not been specifically studied and approved for the ferret either.) Lupron.: Lupron is available in several forms that last different amounts of time in the body. Lupron is available as an injection that lasts 24 hours, 1 month, 3 months and 4 months. Each is a different preparation that lasts for different amounts of time, so it's important to know which form you are using: 1-month, 3-month or 4-month. The reason we use the 4-month form is for convenience and cost. The monthly injection given 4 months in a row is more expensive that one 4-month shot. (No matter how high a dose you give of the 1-month shot, it will only last 1 month - so when you talk about what dosage you are giving you must say which form you are using.) Example: Two ferrets receive the same dosage of Lupron, but one gets the 4-month shot and one gets the 1-month shot. The ferret who gets the 1-month shot receives a 500 microgram (mcg) shot each month for 4 months. The ferret receiving the 4-month shot receives one shot of 2000/mcg (2 milligrams or mg). Therefore, both ferrets are receiving the same amount of the drug per month, but when you say one ferret got a 2000/mcg shot and one got a 500/mcg shot, it doesn't sound like the same dosage - but it is the same per month. I have found that at the same dosage, the 4-month shot is the less expensive form. (The Lupron in both cases is time released, called a "depot." In the 1-month shot the Lupron depot is released over the period of 1 month, and in the 4-month shot, over 4 months.) Premixing: The 24-hour form of Lupron comes in a pre-made liquid. Since it only lasts 24 hours in the ferret after being injected, it would have to be given every day to be effective, so is not worth discussing. The other forms (1-, 3- and 4-month) come in two vials - a liquid and a powder. They are mixed together, and then immediately injected. Stability after mixing has never been studied. I am looking at the stability of the solution once mixed and stored in a standard freezer. Why is this important to understand? Each human dose of Lupron is large enough to treat many ferrets. If a veterinarian who wants to treat one ferret is forced to buy a human-sized dose, storage can be a problem, since after the Lupron is mixed it should be injected immediately, or it could become ineffective very quickly. But the veterinarian may not have, for example, 15 ferrets who need the injection at the same time. So it can be cost prohibitive to be forced to buy a dose that could treat that many ferrets but only use it for one. The good news is that we recently found a pharmacy which, under sterile conditions, will separate the powder into individual ferret-sized dosages and ship directly to the veterinarian. A veterinarian can now call the pharmacy and buy one ferret-sized dose of the drug. The veterinarian mixes the liquid and powder together, and gives the injection immediately. I should mention that I receive no money from the pharmacy! I'm giving out their name because they are capable and willing to separate out the powder and liquid in a sterile environment for us. Dosage: Lupron is so new that no one yet knows the lowest dosage we can use to reverse all symptoms. The dosage I have found to be the most effective so far is 2000/mcg (2/mg) of the 4-month depot, or 500/mcg of the 1-month depot. This dosage is virtually 100% effective in reversing all symptoms. To date we have not seen any toxicity, although long-term studies have not yet been performed. In a small number of ferrets we have seen local reactions - a bump where the shot was given. The reactions can occur 2-4 weeks after the injection, and resolves without treatment in 4-6 weeks. If they are removed or biopsied, some or all of the Lupron will be removed, so they should be left alone. They do not seem to bother the ferret. There are lower dosages recommended by some. Although I have not used lower dosages, I have heard of approximately 20 cases and seen several for a second opinion, where lower dosages did not reverse symptoms. In cases where male ferrets have enlarged prostates and are straining to urinate, life threatening blockages can occur. (A word on urinary blockages: straining to urinate means that the adrenal tumor is secreting the hormone testosterone, which causes the prostate (not the tumor) to swell and block or partially block the urinary tract. Treating with a high enough dose of Lupron can stop the testosterone secretion, so the swelling of the prostrate is reduced.) I consider the treatment effective if all symptoms reverse (hair grows back, vulva goes down to normal size, no straining to urinate, no lethargy, reversal of male aggression, reversal of return-to-male sexual behavior, etc.). If your ferret is receiving Lupron and all of the symptoms do not completely reverse, then the dosage may be too low. In my experience the 4-month shot at the dosage we are using is very effective and lasts for 5-6 months with some ferrets symptom-free for 7 months. Again, you can have your veterinarian buy a 1-ferret dose of the 4-month Lupron depot from Professional Arts Pharmacy. Their number is 1-800-832-9285. There may be other pharmacies that offer this service but this is the one with which I've worked. It's critical that a pharmacy work in a sterile hood and understand the protocol. My wife is a pharmacist, and agrees that the varied forms of Lupron can be confusing. Also, Lupron is often administered in a hospital setting, so retail pharmacists don't frequently work with it. I've heard about mistakes such as using unapproved diluent (the liquid) or dispensing 24-hour Lupron as the 1-month depot. It's also easy to confuse 1- and 4-month Lupron depot and think that 2000/mcg (2/mg) of 1-month depot lasts 4 months. But remember, the 1- and 4-month depots are different forms, and 2000/mcg of the 1-month depot only lasts 1 month! I've spoken at length to all of the pharmacists at Professional Arts, provided them with my protocol, and they have been compounding and shipping it to veterinarians. If you would like a copy of the Lupron, Casodex. and Arimidex. protocols for your veterinarian, contact Beth Comarow at Miskabc@aol.com and request "Medical Treatment of Hyperadrenocorticism in the Ferret," or simply "the protocol sheet." Finally, I'd like to thank the ferret-owning community for their generosity and dedication, which has helped spark my enthusiasm to continue treating and searching for new treatments for this wonderful species. Charles Weiss, DVM Potomac Animal Hospital, Potomac, MD Note: This information sheet may only be copied or reprinted in its entirety, with credit given to the author. CW:bc 0799  1,, Summary-line: 12-Jul mendes@aigfpc.com #Home Page - Update Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06975; Mon, 12 Jul 99 09:34:50 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07261; Mon, 12 Jul 99 09:35:31 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 113gDy-0000CC-00; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:34:26 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <31556QD4>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:34:22 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "'Adina @ Work'" , 'Amy Allen' , 'Carol Davis' , 'Daddy' , "'David Bishop (E-mail)'" , 'David Craven' , 'David Harris' , 'David J' , 'Dianne James' , 'drucker' , 'Eitan' , 'Elizabeth Evans & Peter Emery' , 'Flagg' , 'Fran' , 'Gwyn Aubrey' , 'Irv Hodgkin' , 'J Derrick McClure' , 'Janice Dallas' , 'Jen Graham' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'Leta Hall' , 'lisap' , 'Louis Wernick' , 'Louise May' , 'moshe' , 'OMRI' , 'Paul' , 'Phil Gellis' , 'Phil Sternenberg' , 'PSYCHO' , 'Ralph MacPhail' , "'Sally Neff (E-mail 2)'" , "'scott@work'" , 'Scott Hale' , 'Shawn Charton' , 'snyder' , 'sooz' , 'stevemartin' , 'Ted Rice' , "'Teppin (Stephanie Swimmer)'" , "'Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)'" , "'Michael & Judith Wolov (E-mail)'" , "'Steve and Donna Blocher (E-mail)'" Cc: "Chiodo, Jane" , "Christ-Janer, Katherine" , "Bell, Mitchell" , "Rozmus, Lori" Subject: Home Page - Update Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:34:21 -0400 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "'Adina @ Work'" , 'Amy Allen' , 'Carol Davis' , 'Daddy' , "'David Bishop (E-mail)'" , 'David Craven' , 'David Harris' , 'David J' , 'Dianne James' , 'drucker' , 'Eitan' , 'Elizabeth Evans & Peter Emery' , 'Flagg' , 'Fran' , 'Gwyn Aubrey' , 'Irv Hodgkin' , 'J Derrick McClure' , 'Janice Dallas' , 'Jen Graham' , 'Kati Roberts' , 'Lavina' , 'Lelia' , 'Leta Hall' , 'lisap' , 'Louis Wernick' , 'Louise May' , 'moshe' , 'OMRI' , 'Paul' , 'Phil Gellis' , 'Phil Sternenberg' , 'PSYCHO' , 'Ralph MacPhail' , "'Sally Neff (E-mail 2)'" , "'scott@work'" , 'Scott Hale' , 'Shawn Charton' , 'snyder' , 'sooz' , 'stevemartin' , 'Ted Rice' , "'Teppin (Stephanie Swimmer)'" , "'Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)'" , "'Michael & Judith Wolov (E-mail)'" , "'Steve and Donna Blocher (E-mail)'" Cc: "Chiodo, Jane" , "Christ-Janer, Katherine" , "Bell, Mitchell" , "Rozmus, Lori" Subject: Home Page - Update Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:34:21 -0400 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, folks, I spent a good part of the weekend (11-5 am Friday night!) updating, upgrading, uploading (crashing the computer) and testing, and I think I finally have my home page close to where I want it (there are still a couple of pages that I have to link and put up, but... ) Please check it out, provide feedback, ooh, aah, oggle, envy, celebrate... whatever. http://www.geocities.com/broadway/lobby/1278/home.html @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products  1,, Summary-line: 12-Jul lonwall@corvairundergroun #THE GRANDEST DUKE - REVEIW? LONG Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA14459; Mon, 12 Jul 99 14:50:42 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11382; Mon, 12 Jul 99 14:49:53 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA04389; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3787CC60.1DCFE28D@corvairunderground.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: lonwall@corvairunderground.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: lonwall To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: THE GRANDEST DUKE - REVEIW? LONG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: lonwall@corvairunderground.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: lonwall To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: THE GRANDEST DUKE - REVEIW? LONG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) When I was in high school, many years ago, I was what could only be called, a Gilbert and Sullivan fanatic. I made regular trips to the San Jose public library, which in the 60's, had records and musical scores you could check out. I read every book on the subject I could find. By age 16 I had D'oyle Carte recordings of most of the operettas. Of course I knew about Utopia Ltd, Thespis and The Grand Duke - but I certainly knew there was no way I would ever hear the music, let alone view a production. Christmas of 1977 I received a copy of the Carte recording of Grand Duke! That was a moment long awaited, yet as well all know, a recording is not the same thing as a performance. I have noticed that, when I finally do see a performance, oftentimes the operetta becomes something completely new and unexpected. Books, records are all very well, but........ Can I write a review of Saturday night's Grand Duke? Well that's a good question. A recent thread on this group has been regarding "magic moments". Well mine is sitting in a theater with an almost sold out crowd and hearing, from a most competent orchestra, the opening bits of the overture to The Grand Duke. You see my dilemma. I am almost always one of those annoying purists. I do not want to see a G&S cut, changed, updated or tampered with. (Carte Co should have had me on the Arts Council when they needed the funding - but I am, of course American). I was therefore, apprehensive and must say disappointed, when I understood that the production was being "moved" from 1750 to the 1930's. Shades of Groucho! Now, I like The Brothers, but the idea of Grand Duke Rudolph duckwalking around with a cigar left me highly gambol in the gill. (And we Oregonians LIKE little Duckies too!) Well here's the thing - the production was magical. Nearly all original dialog was included and no songs cut (a verse here and there dropped, but who remembers Mrs. Grundy anyhow?). The production was so much fun and such a high point in my long career as a fanatic, well.......even I could forgive the change in time and a few other little oddities thrown in. The fact is, for me, this is THE Grand Duke to which all others (even a "pure" version) will be compared. First, the operetta itself has received short treatment by "historians", or in other words, writers who never heard the music much less viewed a good production (if any at all). Parrots all! I think Gilbert is in very good form. The so-called "sausage roll fiasco" is funny and no more ridiculous than fairies taking over Parliament. It's not a major part of the show anyway. So far as "go-est" is concerned many writers have suggested that Gilbert was slipping and desperate. I've always thought that anyone clever enough to appear that desperate, then in the next few lines explain (in perfect rhyme) why they had to do that, is hardly a slipping entity. Is it long? Yes...so is The Italian Play. Is there more dialog than usual - yes.....sort of like a....a....a..."modern" musical?? Why did Grand Duke originally "fail"? We'll discuss that at another time. This production didn't fail me at all - I thought EVERY character was interesting and that's a compliment to Mr. Gilbert AND to the folks who played it. Put it this way - if I didn't have a wife who'd kill me, the next two Fridays I would leave the job early, drive up to Seattle and rent a motel room. From there I would live for the next few days on Floyd's Barbecue (round the corner) and the Friday night, Saturday afternoon and Saturday night performances. I mean that LITERALLY. Can't wait for the video - I may buy a hundred. Complaints? Well, the "Groucho" was hinted at but no problem whatever. Mr. Ross deserves credit for a totally original interpretation of the Duke. Ludwig was a little bouncy, but you know, considering what he brought to the role in general, he was great. Julia and Lisa - fantastic, The Prince of...well, what's the use? - I liked them all. This is no small feat in what is clearly the most difficult to do in the cannon. My only caveat would be to "small" "companies" - unless you can do it very well, better to leave this one to the "professionals". Everything has to be done right to pull it off. And in Seattle, at least, they know how to pull it off. I'm still interested in a totally "authentic" production, but I have to say it would be for purely morbid reasons at this point. Steal a plane ticket. Push an elderly lady out of her bus seat. Do what you have to get to Seattle and see it in person. Every true Savoyard owes it to themselves. After that BUY THE VIDEO. I wonder if Dr. Tannehauser handles divorces? Lon Wall (The Great Quack) PS - it was great to meet several fellow Savoynetters in person. Hello again to David Michaels, Steve Liechtenstein (SP?) and of course Mike Storie. I would have liked to stay longer, but maybe next time. And Mike, you and your crew really did enhance my life Saturday evening in ways only a true fanatic can understand (Savoynet, anyone?) By the way, who do I have to stab stab stab to see your production of Rose of Persia, Contrabandista and Ages Ago?  1,, Summary-line: 12-Jul eichin@thok.org #Re: Beta-Test Your House (fwd) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA20003; Mon, 12 Jul 99 15:08:11 EDT Received: from paycheck.thok.org by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03634; Mon, 12 Jul 99 15:08:49 EDT Received: (qmail 21081 invoked by uid 3382); 12 Jul 1999 19:08:00 -0000 To: jcb@alum.mit.edu Cc: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Beta-Test Your House (fwd) References: From: eichin@thok.org (Mark W. Eichin) Date: 12 Jul 1999 15:07:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Jeff Bigler"'s message of "Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:22:11 -0400" Message-Id: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 *** EOOH *** To: jcb@alum.mit.edu Cc: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Beta-Test Your House (fwd) References: From: eichin@thok.org (Mark W. Eichin) Date: 12 Jul 1999 15:07:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Jeff Bigler"'s message of "Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:22:11 -0400" Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Yeah, I have my unit in my pocket right now (it's about the size of a db-9 gender changer) from the slashdot promotion a couple of weeks ago. I'm thinking about doing a pilot driver. And yes, I get a couple of ads a week from them (which I didn't from previous product orders), but I have good mail sorting and don't care (and sometimes order bits from them anyway.) I looked at the linux code - it is a real "wiggle the bits" driver; though it hooks to the serial port, it uses a pair of status lines to clock the bits in...  1,, Summary-line: 12-Jul mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Star Wars Top Ten Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24378; Mon, 12 Jul 99 16:57:08 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24128; Mon, 12 Jul 99 16:56:18 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 113n7N-0005Eo-00; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:56:05 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <31556R4A>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:56:01 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , "Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)" , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , Shefsky , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Star Wars Top Ten Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:55:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , "Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)" , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , Shefsky , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Star Wars Top Ten Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:55:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From Jane @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > In honor of the "Phantom Menace"........here's something to hold you > over...... > jane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Chiodo [SMTP:RCHIODO@mobius.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 5:13 PM > To: 'Mike Surel'; 'Chris Chiodo'; 'Chiodo, Jane'; 'David Stern'; > 'Flynn, Kelly' > Subject: Star Wars Top Ten > > > Top Ten Sexually Tilted Lines in "Star Wars: A New Hope" > > 1) "She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, > kid." > 2) "Curse my metal body, I wasn't fast enough!" > 3) "Look at the size of that thing!" > 4) "Sorry about the mess..." > 5) "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought." > 6) "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?" > 7) "You've got something jammed in here real good." > 8) "Put that thing away before you get us all killed!" > 9) "Luke, at that speed do you think you'll be able to pull out in > time?" > 10) "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care *what* you smell!" > > > Top Ten Sexually Tilted Lines in "Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back" > > 1) "And I thought they smelled bad...on the *outside*!" > 2) "Possible he came in through the south entrance." > 3) "I must've hit it pretty close to the mark to get her all riled > up like that, huh kid?" > 4) "Hurry up, golden-rod..." > 5) "That's okay, I'd like to keep it on manual control for a while." > 6) "But now we must eat. Cum, good food, cumm.." > 7) "Control, control! You must learn control!" > 8) "There's an awful lot of moisture in here." > 9) "Size matters not. Judge me by my size, do you?" > 10) "I thought that hairy beast would be the end of me!" > > > Top 10 Sexually Stilted Lines from ROTJ > > 1) "And hurry up, will ya? I haven't got all day!" > 2) "Hey! Point that thing someplace else!" > 3) "It'll work. It'll work." > 4) "Rise, my friend." > 5) "Hey, don't worry; Chewie and I got into a lot of places more > heavily guarded than this." > 6) "I need more men." > 7) "I think you'll fit in nicely." > 8) "Move closer! Get along side that one!" > 9) "Back door, huh? Good idea." > 10) "She's gonna blow!" > > >  1, forwarded,, Summary-line: 12-Jul : bjaspan@MIT.EDU, jcb@MI #Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18201; Mon, 12 Jul 99 18:51:55 EDT Received: from CHARON.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23661; Mon, 12 Jul 99 18:51:06 EDT Received: (from opus@localhost) by charon.MIT.EDU (8.7.6/2.3JIK) id SAA24372; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:51:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:51:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199907122251.SAA24372@charon.MIT.EDU> From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: bjaspan@MIT.EDU, jcb@MIT.EDU, rocky@dimins.com, goodmanj@MIT.EDU, mendyke@mendyke.com, dan@mendyke.com, barmar@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, vorlon@tiac.net Subject: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:51:52 -0400 From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: bjaspan@MIT.EDU, jcb@MIT.EDU, rocky@dimins.com, goodmanj@MIT.EDU, mendyke@mendyke.com, dan@mendyke.com, barmar@MIT.EDU, rls@dimins.com, vorlon@tiac.net Subject: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee I'm thinking of doing a dive trip to see The Lady of the Lake, or some other wreck in Lake Winnipesaukee (NH) on either Saturday, July 31, or Sunday, August 1. The dive is $45 per person, or $450 for the entire boat. If I can get ten or more divers, I will attempt to make this a private excursion (9am - 4pm). Gear rental prices are as follows: Regulator (need own mouthpiece) $15.00 BCD $12.00 Cylinder $ 7.00 Belt & buckle $ 2.00 Wetsuit $15.00 Mask/snorkel $ 5.00 Fins $ 5.00 Weight $0.10/lb You need a certification card and a log book. If you are interested, I need a commitment from you no later than this Wednesday, July 14. Please specify if you cannot go one of the two days, your approximate skill level (so we can decide what sort of dive is suitable - novice is ok!), and what sort of equipment you'd need to rent. Once I schedule the boat, I have to pay in full, so I need a firm commitment from you. Please pass this message on to anyone else who might be interested. This is a 30' boat, which theoretically can hold 20 people. I will limit the trip to no more than 15 people, however, to keep the crowding to a minimum. -Dave  1,, Summary-line: 12-Jul LSimons@mail.usa.com #Mikado Full Score Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18278; Mon, 12 Jul 99 22:41:48 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02448; Mon, 12 Jul 99 22:42:29 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA17294; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <001001beccd8$f0296700$62e331d4@lsimons> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: LSimons@mail.usa.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Larry Simons" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Mikado Full Score Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: LSimons@mail.usa.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Larry Simons" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Mikado Full Score Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 My new full score of "The Mikado" (well, most of it) is now available for download from the following URL: http://home.freeuk.net/lsimons/mikado.html I hope the page and all the links work OK, it's a long time since I had to write any HTML code! I'm sure that I'll get lot's of messages if it doesn't work..... Any and all comments will be much appreciated. There's an e-mail link on the website. (Getting ready for an avalanche of messages.....) Larry Simons  1,, Summary-line: 14-Jul daniel@virtualvoices.com #Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04564; Wed, 14 Jul 99 09:22:51 EDT Received: from smtp-2.mdc.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22103; Wed, 14 Jul 99 09:23:33 EDT Received: from archadious (xcom-78-92.mdc.net [209.251.78.92]) by smtp-2.mdc.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA80080 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:18:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from daniel@virtualvoices.com) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990714092552.00843200@mail.mendyke.com> X-Sender: daniel@mail.mendyke.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:25:52 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Daniel Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee In-Reply-To: <199907122251.SAA24372@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: daniel@mail.mendyke.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:25:52 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Daniel Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee In-Reply-To: <199907122251.SAA24372@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sounds great Dave! Count me in. Xiaoli seems to want a pass on this trip as far as diving goes. Something about 'cold' water. -Daniel >I'm thinking of doing a dive trip to see The Lady of the Lake, or some >other wreck in Lake Winnipesaukee (NH) on either Saturday, July 31, or >Sunday, August 1.  1, answered,, Summary-line: 14-Jul mendyke@mediaone.net #Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA25131; Wed, 14 Jul 99 12:16:00 EDT Received: from ne.mediaone.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28495; Wed, 14 Jul 99 12:16:39 EDT Received: from mediaone.net (mendyke.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.83.37]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA28434; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <378CB84B.8CF9AF88@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:18:19 -0400 From: Mike Mendyke Reply-To: mike@mendyke.com Organization: Virtual Voices/Harmonyshop.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" , daniel@mendyke.com Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee References: <199907122255.SAA24384@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:18:19 -0400 From: Mike Mendyke Reply-To: mike@mendyke.com Organization: Virtual Voices/Harmonyshop.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" , daniel@mendyke.com Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee References: <199907122255.SAA24384@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave: I may be the diver with the least total experience on your trip. My most recent diving trip was summer '97 when Dan and I went to Cozumel. But I consider myself competent and confident that I can handle my equipment and an intermediate-difficulty dive. By the way, how many dives would we do on this trip? Two? -- Mike Mendyke Email: mike@mendyke.com Phone: 978 262-0299 Fax: 603 963-0273 Web: http://www.harmonyshop.com http://www.virtualvoices.com  1,, Summary-line: 14-Jul mendyke@mediaone.net #Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA25273; Wed, 14 Jul 99 12:16:32 EDT Received: from ne.mediaone.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28886; Wed, 14 Jul 99 12:17:14 EDT Received: from mediaone.net (mendyke.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.83.37]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA25799 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <378CB742.DE230FC2@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:13:54 -0400 From: Mike Mendyke Reply-To: mike@mendyke.com Organization: Virtual Voices/Harmonyshop.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee References: <199907141600.MAA29025@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:13:54 -0400 From: Mike Mendyke Reply-To: mike@mendyke.com Organization: Virtual Voices/Harmonyshop.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee References: <199907141600.MAA29025@charon.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "David C. Jedlinsky" wrote: > > Are y'all interested? I'm going to call this afternoon. > > -Dave Yes, count me in! Dan and I plan to be dive partners. -- Mike Mendyke Email: mike@mendyke.com Phone: 978 262-0299 Fax: 603 963-0273 Web: http://www.harmonyshop.com http://www.virtualvoices.com  1, answered,, Summary-line: 14-Jul goodmanj@MIT.EDU #Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA28495; Wed, 14 Jul 99 12:26:59 EDT Received: from AMPERSAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05282; Wed, 14 Jul 99 12:27:40 EDT Received: by ampersand.mit.edu (8.8.8/4.7) id MAA17772; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907141625.MAA17772@ampersand.mit.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:00:36 EDT." <199907141600.MAA29025@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:25:42 EDT From: Jason Goodman *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:00:36 EDT." <199907141600.MAA29025@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:25:42 EDT From: Jason Goodman I'm interested. I would prefer the 31st over the 1st, but can do the 1st if necessary. I need to rent all equipment (tank,bcd,regulator,belt,wetsuit,mask/ snorkel,fins,weight). I have advanced certification, but very few hours of dive time in addition to that. Jason  1,, Summary-line: 14-Jul to: rocky@dimins.com, dan #Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA14855; Wed, 14 Jul 99 16:33:43 EDT Received: from CHARON.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21011; Wed, 14 Jul 99 16:34:25 EDT Received: (from opus@localhost) by charon.MIT.EDU (8.7.6/2.3JIK) id QAA29563; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:28:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:28:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199907142028.QAA29563@charon.MIT.EDU> From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: rocky@dimins.com, dan@mendyke.com, mike@mendyke.com, goodmanj@MIT.EDU, jcb@MIT.EDU, bjaspan@intermute.com Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:28:13 -0400 From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: rocky@dimins.com, dan@mendyke.com, mike@mendyke.com, goodmanj@MIT.EDU, jcb@MIT.EDU, bjaspan@intermute.com Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee I called today, and got some more information. There are no Saturday dives; they reserve that day for classes. This means we can only dive Sunday, August 1. He told me I can call back by the end of this week, and still be able to book space, so if anyone wants to back out, let me know ASAP. I'll be paying for the trip on Friday morning. Gear rental will be handled that morning. The shop opens at 8:00, the boat leaves at 9. For those who asked, mouthpieces start at $5.00 and go up from there; you get to keep it, of course. It doesn't look like we're going to get the ten people needed to rent the entire boat, so we'll probably have company. I still haven't heard from Jeff or Barry; unless I do, I'm not going to book for you. -Dave  1,, Summary-line: 15-Jul LISTSERV@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU #FERRET-L Digest - 14 Jul 1999 to 15 Jul 1999 (#1999-2741) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12036; Thu, 15 Jul 99 04:52:12 EDT Received: from listserv.cuny.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24014; Thu, 15 Jul 99 04:52:49 EDT Message-Id: <9907150852.AA24014@MIT.EDU> Received: from listserv (listserv.cuny.edu) by listserv.cuny.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <1.FEB21144@listserv.cuny.edu>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 4:56:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:49:21 -0400 Reply-To: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu Sender: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu From: Automatic digest processor Subject: FERRET-L Digest - 14 Jul 1999 to 15 Jul 1999 (#1999-2741) To: Recipients of FERRET-L digests *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:49:21 -0400 Reply-To: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu Sender: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu From: Automatic digest processor Subject: FERRET-L Digest - 14 Jul 1999 to 15 Jul 1999 (#1999-2741) To: Recipients of FERRET-L digests There are 42 messages totalling 1708 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Another double-header 2. AB 854 update 3. Vet Conference 4. Info is coming; bear with me 5. FOUND FERRET IN CLEARFIELD UTAH...... 6. Ferret in Colorado needs a home 7. Ferret transportation help needed 8. Web site 9. 4 Albino Kits 10. Magazines, prejudice. Yeck. 11. Ferrets in Ancient Egypt 12. Tessie the Terror! 13. Ferret hates water, and spontaneous albino?? 14. sick ferret 15. Flea Spray=baldness 16. Mast Cell Tumors in Older Ferret 17. Which Vet to choose? Both! 18. olive oil vs. lax; home news; abuse CAUSES -- adult human's fault 19. olive oil as hairball remedy 20. ferret math & soy milk 21. Info for my Vet. 22. June & Storm- on the boy downstairs! 23. Introducing a new ferret 24. Ferret Health 25. Film for FerretWise 26. Address Change 27. Florida Shelters - a Visit? 28. Anyone know where there is a Shelter 29. uh-oh, bad signs here 30. Shelter's 31. zen responds to a few others about this shelter and their face to the world issue 32. breeding age 33. we do take back our ferrets 34. ? re dog/ferret compatibility 35. Ferrets and Dogs 36. litter training...now I'm getting desperate 37. Name Raffle, We've got our first entries!! 38. Oops 39. Ontario ferret who is going to die 40. Request for help in obtaining body of Toronto ferret. 41. Simple question about the Toronto Ferret that Mauled a Human Infant 42. London Cruelty case The Ferret Mailing List Issue number: 2741 Date: 15 Jul 1999 Circulation: 3040 Moderator: Bill Gruber Messages pertaining to the FML should be sent to: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu <-- articles to be posted. ferret-anon@cunyvm.cuny.edu <-- articles to be posted anonymously. ferret-request@cunyvm.cuny.edu <-- to unsubscribe, problems etc. * To receive a copy of the FML FAQ (last updated 02/01/98), which discusses the FML in far greater detail, send mail to listserv@cunyvm.cuny.edu with "SEND FML FAQ" as a single line in the mail (don't use the quotes). * To get the Ferret Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), full of information and advice about ferrets, use "SEND ANSWERS PACKAGE FERRET". PLEASE read the FAQ before you send non-emergency postings to the list!!! * Use "SEND FERRET nnnn" to get backissues of this newsletter. * Searchable archives: Except where clearly indicated by Moderator's notes, all articles posted in this forum appear exactly as written by their authors. They may have been reformatted without wording changes. The accuracy, or lack of accuracy, of any post is the responsibility of the post's author. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:15:13 EDT From: "Bill Gruber, FML moderator" Subject: Another double-header Well, we have a 3,000ish line FML again today. A lot of people wrote to respond to Edward Lipinski's remarks about shelter volunteers. I think the points have been made, often in amusing ways... let's move on please. I'll split this issue into two parts... will sort as best as I can but there is likely to be some overlap. The responses to Edward will be in the second issue for the most part. I suspect some will choose to start reading there while others will rather skip that FML issue entirely... Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:25:34 EDT From: Ferretnews@AOL.COM Subject: AB 854 update Hello everyone, Sorry this has taken a little while to get to you. I had a 20 hr. day yesterday and since I was out of the office all day, I had a few things to take care of before I could get to a report on our hearing for AB 854. The Senate Natural Resources Committee (SNR) met at 9:30 A.M. yesterday. Our bill was scheduled #11 (simply in file order) but unfortunately there was a hearing room shortage and Senator Hayden, Chair of SNR, recessed the hearings at 1:30 P.M. just as we were about to be heard! The new hearing wouldn't begin again until 6:00 P.M. that evening so another committee could convene in the meantime. It was very unfortunate for those of us that traveled so far to see it or testify. Thankfully Debby G. of Capitol City Ferret Club offered us refuge in her air conditioned home (some very dedicated members of the Golden State Ferret Society and Ferrets Anonymous also came to the hearing)! The hearing reconvened at 6:00 but the room still hadn't vacated to we moved to a new location. The chairman of SNR, Senator Hayden, wanted to be present for AB 854 testimony but he was in another committee at that time, so even though we were to go next we waited until about 7:00 or so before AB 854 was heard. I'm not going to go into all of the details because I'm still pretty zoned as you can probably tell from the rambling, but the upshot is that Senator Alpert asked that language be added that ferret owners be given 6 months after Jan. 1, 2000 to have their animals vet certified (as vaccinated and spayed & neutered). This must be done then by July 1, 2000 should our bill pass the next committee, the full Senate, and the Governor-- still a long way to go! Language that makes the study look at the effect of the ferret on the environment and one people IN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER DOMESTICATED animals was added to ensure that ferrets are evaluated fairly. The sentiment was heavily in favor of this bill and our final vote in this nine member committee was 8-1. Senator Johnston was absent and did not vote. As soon as I have the time, I'll let you know the details the next committee, Senate Appropriations, and give you the voting history etc. of each member. If you all recall, our bill was killed in the next committee because it did not have a hearing so we are planning our next mailing to take place on August 1st. This mailing will go to supporters in most of the remaining Senate Districts and will be our biggest mailing yet, almost twice the size of previous mailings. If you live within an hour of the Woodside/Redwood City area and can help me with a mailing on August 1st, please let me know. I plan to have between 12-20 people here around 10:00 or so to we can get it done quickly. It's easy if lots of folks help out! Please consider pitching in. Jeanne Carley Californians for Ferret Legalization ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:49:01 -0700 From: Gilbert Le Cren OD Subject: Vet Conference The Oregon Ferret Association is sponsoring its first Ferret Veterinary Medical Conference Sunday, 14 November 1999 Downtown Doubletree Hotel Portland, OR Cost $98. Basic Ferret Care Tom Kawasaki Emergency Care Natalie Antinoff Liver and GI Mark Burgess Pathology Mike Garner Adrenal & Insulinoma Steve Sanders Geriatrics & Kidney Failure Tom Kawasaki Ophthalmology Tom Kawasaki Cardiovascular Gary Wood Neoplasm Natalie Antinoff (Neurology) Natalie Antinoff Topics and speakers are subject to change without notice. Approved for 8 Hours of continuing education by the Oregon Veterinarian Board For registration information please contact THE OREGON FERRET ASSOCIATION; PO Box 90682; Portland, OR 97290; Tel. (503) 306-2968; www.oregon-ferret.org The OFA is a 501( c ) ( 3 ) nonprofit tax exempt corporation ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:33:41 EDT From: Beth Comarow Subject: Info is coming; bear with me For those of you who asked me to send you Dr. Weiss' Lupron/Casodex/Arimidex Protocols, or "good" copies of the All About Lupron sheet, I should have most requests done by tomorrow. Thanks for your patience - and your enthusiam. Dr. Weiss will see every email, since I'm printing them out for him. All the best - Beth Miska the #1 Ferret Paddington Gabby Smudge! David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:43:57 EDT From: Catherine Garcia Subject: FOUND FERRET IN CLEARFIELD UTAH...... Hi folks. If anyone on the list has lost a ferret or knows of someone who has in the vicinity of the Job Corps Center in Clearfield Utah please contact me. My friends are going to get the baby tomorrow and hold on to it until the weekend when I can get down there. I've told them what to feed it, etc., so I am confident it will receive adequate care. It was found after a rainstorm, scared. It's very friendly. (Sorry for the lack of gender, but I am I don't know what that is yet.....) I've told them to make flyers and post them. I will call the vets in the area and let them know to contact me. If we cannot find the rightful owners, I will try to place it with a family I know in Bountiful who has one ferret and would like another. She is a sweet girl, and she and her husband dote on their Roxy. I know they would provide an excellent home. But, Rick, if all else fails........you might have the Garcia crew at your door. Of course, that's if Angel and I don't convince Ricky Ricardo that we need another ferret........... Anyone with any information please contact me. I've told the people under no circumstances to surrender the ferret to Davis County Animal Control. They will KILL it without any questions asked. Even though ferrets are legal in Davis County, the animal shelters have an automatic euthanasia policy for ferrets. Reasoning for this? "If ferrets are surrendered they are usually older or have bad habits that cannot be retrained. They also don't change homes well, so we euthanize them for their own good and for the publics good." This was told to me, in several different versions by them over the past two years. Let's pray for this babies return home. Dooks, Catherine, Pato, Snowball, Hubert and Elsie "Behind The Zion Curtain" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:04:11 -0600 From: Serena DeCastro Subject: Ferret in Colorado needs a home I have been a member of the FML for about a year, but this is my first post. I run a small ferret supply company called Ferret Territory (sorry, no web page yet!) in Grand Junction, Colorado. Recently I had two homeless MF girls show up at my door. One of them I found a home for right away, but the other one had all the symptoms of an adrenal tumor. Since my other job is as a receptionist at a veterinary clinic, I was able to get the surgery done right away and she has now made a complete recovery - all her hair has grown back and she is fat and playful. Her former owner also forgot to inform me that she is nearly blind, although it doesn't seem to affect her very much. It's possible her owner never noticed. She is a little sable, very sweet, never bites and loves to give kisses. The problem is my other ferrets won't accept her - they just want to kill her. I would love to keep her, but due to a recent divorce and a need to rearrange my house so I can accomodate a roommate, I simply will not have space for 2 cages. I also feel sorry for her having to live alone, she is so playful I hate to have to keep her seperate. I will need to find a home for her soon, so please pass the word along to anyone you know who might be interested. For any of you looking for a challenge I would also like to find a home for my sterling silver FFF female. She is beautiful, but she will occasionally bite. I have tried everything to get her to stop and it just makes her bite harder. I decided it is just part of her personality. I think she resents having to share her cage with the other ferrets and she would be happier as a single ferret or maybe with just one cagemate. For anyone that is interested I do sell Totally Ferret ($17.95 for a 5lb bag) and I have some very nice hammocks, sleepsacks and other accessories. I can snail-mail brochures, or just email me for more info. Thank you, Serena DeCastro Ferret Territory & The Ferret Bed & Breakfast ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:50:03 -0400 From: ferret place Subject: Ferret transportation help needed Hi everyone: My husband and I have decided to open our hearts and home to a little ferret who is looking for a new mom and dad. Unfortunately, this little one lives in Las Vegas, Nevada. We're in New Philadelphia, Ohio. We had hoped to use "Ferrets Across America" to bring Lucky to us, but unfortunately this wonderful service is no longer active. We've contacted Delta to find out about shipping her that way (something we really don't want to do ...) but they will not ship animal when the temp. is over 85 degrees F. (Not a bad policy at all in my opinion). We really don't want Lucky to be shipped in a cargo hold for 3-5 hours without human contact. Poor little thing is going to be confused and frightened enough. So, that leaves us somewhat ... up in the air. The wonderful lady who currently owns Lucky is concerned about her welfare during the trip ... as are we. If there is ANYone out there flying, from Nevada to Ohio in the near future (could we be so lucky?), and would like to have the company of a loving little companion, would you let us know? Other than that, if anyone has any suggestions/ideas we're more than open to anything. Thanks for your time, Tonia & David Smith along with Trouble, Miss Fitt, Pee-Wee, Alice, Moe-Moe, Bandit & Ricky (and hopefully soon ... Lucky!) David Visit eight of the cutest fuzzy ferrets on the internet at: http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lights/6783 "Practice random acts of intelligence & senseless acts of self-control." "Anyone without a sence of humor, is at the mercy of the rest of us..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 03:59:51 -0500 From: "Ron P. Konstantin" Subject: Web site With the help of several people ive finished my first website for my shelter. It may not be very good, but i tried. Visit it and tell me what you think. ronkonstantin@webtv.net http://community.webtv.net/ronkonstantin/RENSFERRETSHELTER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:57:46 +0100 From: Simon Anthony Dyer Subject: 4 Albino Kits Banbury Ferret Welfare has for re-homing, Four, 8 week Albino kits, (2 hobs, 2 jills) here in the UK, Well-handled. Please telephone 01295 276087 All ages of Ferrets taken in and re-homed.....no adoption fees. Companions Choice Ferret's Choice Ferret food available here plus other CC products. Simon, Ferty, Tom, Bubbles, Scooter and the Magnificent 7 Banbury Ferret Welfare, UK freespace.virgin.net/simon_anthony.dyer ICQ #41809859 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:07:17 -0600 From: Reet Subject: Magazines, prejudice. Yeck. I was reading an old pet magazine my friend found. They gave it to me because of an article of ferrets. It was mainly talking about a recent 'ferret frolic' organised up North in Auckland.. But in a few cases, it discussed what it refered to as 'the darker side of these animals'. One thing it brought up was a recent media-hyped 'attack' on a toddler. It talked about how ferret people had said how the ferret was probably lost, scared etc, and how the toddler probably rolled over and crushed the ferret. The magazine also hinted at neglect. Then it said 'None of this justifies the attack, of course'. I just sat there thinking 'What, a scared, lost ferret suddenly gets this big huge thing lying on it. Do you expect it to just lie there quietly and die?'. In another part, it said '..so vicious they could bite through leather gloves and peirce human flesh'. Obviously an attempt to sound like an awful incident. Then, the next article (about killer dogs) calmly wrote about a man being killed by his pitball, and another lady being mauled by the neighbours dogs. Something seems wrong here when a magazine puts more effort into illustrating the 'horror' of an animal that can bite through a leather glove as far more terrible than a dog that kills and mauls people. *sigh* people.. Personally, I think they should be banned. - Reet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:09:40 -0500 From: "Ron P. Konstantin" Subject: Ferrets in Ancient Egypt I have heard different opinions on weather or not ferrets were domesticated in ancient Egypt. Well, I may shed some light on this subject. My father was vacationing in Egypt. The egyptology musem in Cairo has mummified remains of ferrets and meercats (a kind of mongoose native to Africa). These are among only the most ancient of animal mummies found dating about 3700 to 4300 years BC! Also there are paintings of a ferret type creature guarding the granarys of three cities in upper Egypt. This includes the old capitol of thebes, but no evidence has ever been found in Alexandria lower Egypt. It is thought that cats replaced these early ferrets. It is thought the main reason for this is their intolerance for extreme heat. It is possible either the ferret or the meercat may have been worshiped in upper Egypt at this time, but no solid proof exists. When he sends the pictures he took, I'll put them on my sight. Very few of these mummies still exist because the were used to feed the furnaces of locomotives in the late 1800's. I of course am only pasing on information given to me. I cant personally conferm or deny this with my own research, but this would mean ferrets were domesticated about 1200 years before cats were! DOOKS! REN(me), SLINKY, RIKKI, TAZZY, & LONG SHORT SALLY ronkonstantin@webtv.net http://community.webtv.net/ronkonstantin/RENSFERRETSHELTER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:55:17 -0400 From: Georgette Peters Subject: Tessie the Terror! Well, another good one today by Tessa. Somewhere around 4am or so, I thought I heard the sound of a bell ball rolling about upstairs. Jasper had tucked everyone in bed last night before we crashed, so I laid there thinking "Naw". Besides, I was too damned tired to go up and check. The vertical blind in the yellow room has a small chain on it and I thought that maybe that was the noise I heard since that window was open and the blind makes a fair amount of noise when the wind blows in. I also thought I heard a small thump at one point too but it was too close to 6:15am to bother with. Well, guess who greeted me at the gate this morning when I went upstairs to let out the crew. Tessa decided to save me the bother of bending over and unhooking, unlatching her cage. Sigh! Several dooks that probably translated as "Boy, I've been having a blast - where the heck have you been??" and a bunch of smoochies later and I just had to laugh. There was stuff strewn about - but she hit the litterbox/paper so no big deal really! Tessa did manage to pull one of my socks through the gate to play with - I think it's definitely more of a sock versus foot fetish here - but no holes chewed in it. Frodo and Geisha's cage was a bit of a mess - I figure there was some frustration on their part with Tessa climbing the cage and generally (NO FAIR!) being free to cause minor amounts of havoc!! Jasper has been assigned the duty to make the other cage more Tessa-proof! Good luck big guy!!! Take care and hugs to all!! George, Jasper, Frodo the Frustrated (No fair!!! I want out!), Geisha the Gosh-is-This-Kid-a-Pain-Sometimes and Tessa the Terror! ************************************************************************ Georgette Peters Nothing is ferret-proof to a Steacie Science Library sufficiently talented ferret. York University 4700 Keele Street ***** North York, Ontario ********* M3J 1P3 ***** (416)736-5084 Dook, dook, bjork, bjork! e-mail - georgett@yorku.ca - Swedish Ferret ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:37:06 -0400 From: Kymberlie Barone Subject: Ferret hates water, and spontaneous albino?? Hello FMLers, I'm looking for answers to two mysteries I have on my hands here. First, a serious one. I have a ferret here at the shelter that was a stray, I call her Gloria. She appears to be at least 5 years or older, and she is not doing very well. She wasn't eating for a while, she now is eating A/D regularly but will not touch solid food. The major problem is that she will not drink water, or any liquid, whatsoever. To be more specific, if I get water anywhere near her she freaks out (no I do not suspect rabies, which is the comment I keep getting from non-ferret owners I tell this to. Grrr). For a week or so I was able to force her to take water, 2-3 cc's at a time, from a syringe, she hated it and fought me, but would take it. But now she absolutely refuses, she writhes and twists and scratches me if I even touch her lip with water. I get it in her mouth and she just holds it there and then it dribbles out and she won't swallow it. I've never dealt with a ferret that will eat but refuses water, especially this adamantly. The level in her water bottle has not moved at all, and she won't get anywhere near the water dish in her cage. She did splash around in a water dish on the shelter floor about a week ago, got it all over the place, but did not lick one drop of it, and it was actually disturbing to see the way she was spashing around in it -- it wasn't that cute splashing that ferrets often do, this was almost like she was trying to splash it all out of the dish to get it away from her... I know this sounds wierd but that's exactly what it was, I can't explain it and in all the years of dealing with ferrets have never seen anything like it. As of now, she's getting her only hydration from her A/D, which is sustaining her but she is still somewhat dehydrated (I'm able to put extra water in the A/D and she doesn't seem to notice, and gets it that way). I've tried Pedialyte as well and that didn't fly with her either. If anyone has ever heard of a ferret that refused liquids like this, I'd be very interested in hearing about it. Next thing: this one is equally bizarre but there's no medical emergency. I have a ferret named Skittles. He's a darling boy, when he came to me, he was a very odd color, kind of a cross between a dark eyed white and a champagne -- he was white with a VERY faint tinge of champagne on the guard hairs. It was pretty cool. Anyway... over the past few months, I've been telling my club members and friends that he's becoming an albino and they all said I was nuts. But he did. He now has completely red eyes and is a completely white ferret. If I hadn't seen it gradually coming I'd have thought someone switched this ferret with an albino and took my Skittles away. Is this possible? I mean, it MUST be since it happened, but has anyone ever heard of a ferret turning albino before? His eyes I'm guessing were probably ruby to begin with, however they were DARK ruby if so because like I said, I thought he was a DEW when he first came here. Very odd... just looking for info to know if (a) anyone's ever heard of this before and (b) what could cause this. Thanks! Kymberlie Barone Director, Pennsylvania Ferret Rescue Association Montgomery County Branch http://www.ferretrescue.com Looking for a ferret club in Pennsylvania? Ask me about the Pennsylvania F.E.R.R.E.T. Club and other ferret clubs in the state! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:13:56 -0400 From: "Carissa M. Wertz" Subject: sick ferret Hello, I have a question. My baby is sick. He's throwing up and just sleeping. This just started this morning and my vet told me to wait and see what happens. Do any of you have any idea what may have caused this? He hasn't had any extra treats and the only thing I can think of that he may have had too much of is Ferretone. I had to clip his nails. He has full run of the house but there isn't anything that he can get into. His food hasn't been changed or anything else. I just can't figure out what he may have gotten into that made him sick. Is it possible that too much ferretone can do that to him? His poops are the same as they've always been but I don't know why he's throwing up. Please help me if you can I'm worried. Thanks Sir Ferris Bad Boy Rat Of Ferret and his mommy Carissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:03:24 -0700 From: Sonia Subject: Flea Spray=baldness Sorry this is a tad bit long. About 3 weeks ago i treated my 3 ferrets with Frontline flea spray. I squirted the recommended amount into a container, so i could apply it to them, i did my first chunk, he was fine, i did my female she was fine. I did my youngest male he flipped. he is about 7 months old and very large. He let out a small squeal and started to rub his neck and body on anything he could get a hold of. I didnt think much about this because all my ferrets did this for the first 2 or three times i used it. (this was his first time). later that night he started to cough and what sounded like a wheeze, and dooked just a bit more then usuall so i left him out of his cage for a while so i could watch him. As soon as i let him out, he'd be fine, but as soon as i put him in the cage, you'd think i was killing him. i finally put a little watter in the sink and let him play in it, hoping it would calm him like it usually does. It didnt. About 2 hours after i first used it on him he seemed fine again. Wel then about 3 days ago, during one of seattle's few hot days,i put them in the tub with watter to cool off. When i got them all out i noticed that Athos had a bald spot on his neck. about 2 inches long and 1 inch across, right where i put the spray. Now this isnt just a thinning of fur, its an actuall bald spot, clear to his skin, which isnt red or blistered or anything. looks like black heads, but not sores. My questions is. 1. could this be an alergic reaction to the spray? #2. could this be the begining of something more? and if it is the spray, can anyone recommend a diferent type to use? thank you for the help, Sonia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:33:30 -0500 From: Lara Tyminski Subject: Mast Cell Tumors in Older Ferret Does anyone have experience with Mast Cell tumors on their ferret? My Smokey is 6 and had one removed early this year. It was benign but now I see two, maybe three more. I don't know how much of a threat this is to her health. Should I leave them as they are often benign, or keep subjecting her to surgery, which is expensive? Other than these she seems in good health. Lara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:39:24 -0600 From: "t.menne" Subject: Which Vet to choose? Both! To the anon poster about the vet "dilemma" - would the two vets be open to having your closer vet go with you to the father away vet to observe and learn how to do the surgery "hands on" ? Then your ferret would get an experienced vet, your regular vet would learn new skills, and the farther away vet would be able to share knowledge on ferret care (thereby increasing the health of the population etc.). A win-win to me... Best of luck!! tara reply to: taram42@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:44:10 -0400 From: Sukie Crandall Subject: olive oil vs. lax; home news; abuse CAUSES -- adult human's fault Dietary oils/fats do NOT have a laxative effect, in fact, they take longer to digest so the effect can be mildly the opposite. For fur balls stick with things that pass through undigested such as cat laxatives or petroleum jelly (which you can flavor yourself if that works for a finicky one). Elderly Meteetse is sick, but is doing okay for now. Not sure what it is, yet. Yesterday she just suddenly was having labored breathing and a pale nose and pale gums. She looked fine when we got the vet, but we opted for an x-ray to be safe. The chest cavity was too cloudy to see her heart. Could be a lung infection or could be heart disease. She will be having a sonogram to be certain and meanwhile is on antibiotics in hopes that it is a curable bacterial lung infection. Can't completely rule out that she might have whatever that virus was that made our internist send me to the hospital emergency ward for the first time in about 20 years, but that was three weeks ago and who even knows if that was/is something ferrets get. Since I bounced back very rapidly after the worst was over and my dangerous period only lasted about half a day, if The Fly has the same thing I hope that she recovers as comfortably and rapidly. Meanwhile, we are being extra careful with her, and we're delaying 5 year old Warp's insulinoma surgery till we are sure there is nothing contagious for her to get while she's compromised for a while afterward; her Pred is holding her happily and comfortably, no need for even Proglycem at this point. Aside from that everyone is doing very well and making as much mess as they are wont to create. E.L. wrote: >Seventy-two inches of intestine in the ferret that was necropsied >here in my vet's lab. And you know what? Not one bit of food in >the stomach or intestine - only 20 millimeters of feces just inside >the anus. Does this suggest that this ferret ... was starving? If that ferret was destroyed immediately and this was a standard pattern for the animal then that is consistent with what has been published about attacks from any types of pets by humane groups which have researched the issue in general: the vast majority of the animals invloved (and often the infants/children) are typically at the least neglected and often also abused in households where attacks occur, which boils down to the exact same point: the adult humans are to blame -- for the abuse which damaged the animal's behavior, for not keeping pets and infants separated, etc. People who CREATE these situations don't have a lot of sympathy in our home, though we do hope that they finally hear the wake-up call and change their behavior. Yet, given how some of these people seem to place blame on the critter (given the participation by some in anti-ferret efforts) my guess is that too many are pass-the-buck people rather than learners, and therefore, likely to repeat though perhaps with another animal type. (BTW, I curl 30 pound dumbbells -- down from my high of 50 pounds but I hope to get back there by the time I turn 50 next year. Interesting gender-bias generalizations made -- invalid garbage -- but interesting for reasons totally unrelated to your "points". The liability aspect was a very good point, though.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:44:37 +0000 From: "Melissa A. Durfee" Subject: olive oil as hairball remedy >From: Camilla Englund >Subject: Re: You are all a great help >I've heard that olive oil also has a laxative effect. Actually, olive oil will be absorbed by the gut and not act as a laxative. (Dr. Kemmerer has posted about this before.) If you are looking for a cheap alternative to commercial cat laxatives, try plain Vaseline. Only one of my four ferrets won't gobble it up right away. Kili needs a drop of Ferretone added to it before he eats it. :-) -mel ~ Question the definition of Progress ~ ~ www.Adbusters.org ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:56:31 -0400 From: sharin Subject: ferret math & soy milk I've heard about it... But til now I hadn't experienced it. Took in 2 ferrets late last week that their owner NEEDED to get rid of RIGHT AWAY. "They're stinky little rodents. I just can't stand them." She'd had them 1.5 yrs, since they were babies. She had tons of stuff: nice cage, every hammock & gimcrack & toy, canned food & kibble, wood pellet litter - but kept them caged all the time, except occasionally to let them play in a big refrigerator carton. She gave them & all paraphernalia to me for free - "Just get them out of here." So I took them home. Didn't quarantine them - I knew I should but partner George brought their cage into our current ferret room & before I knew it everyone was rubbing noses etc, & before I knew it again stepdaughter had let them out to see if the old ones would play with the new ones. So. My friend Rita had told me how much her 9-year-old daughter wanted a ferret. I knew what a dedicated pet owner Rita is so I called to see if she wanted 2. She asked if they could try them out for a week. 3 days later (i.e. tonite) they were back. Too much work for the child, & they gave Rita the willies. But, frankly, we had sort of fallen for the white one... she is very playful & dooks loudly, & neither of our existing 2 is vocal... & she'd be a good playmate for Ramon, who is much more active than his current partner Chloe... They're both gentle & mischievous & active & well socialized with people and ferrets. One of them is already into the ferretone & Totally Ferret & pooping in the "good ferret" corner; I'm hoping the other will catch on quickly. If we keep them I mean... Question: The white one has the shits. I'm going to assume it's just the stress of all the changes, for the moment. Right? She is cheerful & playful & extremely active. Should I do more, as long as she seems to be feeling ok? Change of subject: Soy milk: Didn't someone ask about soy milk a few months ago? I was sitting on the floor eating my granola & soy milk for either breakfast or dessert a few days ago, & put the near empty dish down. Ramon loped up & lapped all the remaining soy milk out of the dish, leaving however the little oatmeal grains - & raisins. (He's not the raisin type.) He liked it fine, thank you. Dooks to all -- sharin and Chloe the Weasel, Ramon and the visitors, Blaze, who is white with red eyes & grey arms, and Cinnamon, who is, well, you know. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:04:06 PDT From: Alia Granda Subject: Info for my Vet. Hello all, Thankyou to all of those who responded about Manny's butt. I am in the process of trying to figure out exactly what it is, and how to fix it.... I wouldn't even be that far along if it wasn't for you all, thankyou. Now, I've been searching the net for info to print out and take to my vet. Also, for URL's to point my vet in the right direction. What are some informative faq's, or other resources that would be printable? A lot of the faq's are in sections for certain ailments, are there any that cover a lot of common problems all in one? Let me know by emailing me directly. Thankyou all! ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ~Lia, Proud of my cop Proud of my daughter Proud of my "Zoo" :-) ICQ me #42260013 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:05:13 -0400 From: Alicia Subject: June & Storm- on the boy downstairs! Dear Shelter Mom, Just a note to bring you up to date on what has been going on in Charleston. We discovered that right down stairs, a verrrrrrry handsome boy ferret lives. In fact, he wants to share our letter. He said he has a message he needs to get out. You have heard us talk about Beethoven, the ferret who plays the piano? Well, and please don't tell a soul, when we first came here and moved in over him, he was naked. That's right, he didn't have any clothes. We tried not to look, but, well, you know what's a girl supposed to do? He wasn't shy about it; he would run all over the place, nude as an egg. We blushed. A few months ago he went away for two weeks. We missed him, but,Foster Mom kept us informed. He went to see a lady vet because he was sick. When he came back, he was growing new clothes. He doesn't remember what happened, only that he was looking into a pretty lady's eyes. Well, we'll let him tell you. Hi - My name is Beethoven, and I live downstairs under June and Storm. They write to you all the time, and, as my foster aunt, I thought you would help me get the word out. I want to warn the men of the world, to beware of pretty women!!!! Let me tell you what happened. I had some problems, and I was spending a lot of time in my litter pan. Mom took me to see a pretty lady vet. And she said she thought she could help me. So, and here is the part that gets fuzzy, I remember looking into her eyes as she was looking down at me. Then, sleepy time. I don't remember a thing, only that I woke up with a line on my tummy. She must have fixed up what ever was the matter with me, as I feel great now and I've grown myself a whole new set of clothes. She is a wonderful gal and she fixed me all up. But, just suppose she wasn't the great lady she is. Do you see the problem? Men, you must be careful, one look from the wrong gal and you might find yourself minus something you might want to use later, like raisins you've stashed, or that stuff Dad has in his pocket called money. My Mom is great, but she is always trying to get that money stuff away from Dad. I noticed the other night as he was reading the paper, she was telling him about something she needed. HE DIDN'T EVEN LOOK UP. He kept his head close to the page. He wasn't going to get caught. I'll bet he lost money when she gave him the sleepy eye before. The two legs kid never goes out without something called his "Shades." They are two round circles on two bars that hook over his ears, and they keep his eyes dark so you can't see them. You don't know if he is looking at you or not. Now, he is always asking Mom for money, and she just opens her purse and gives it to him. She doesn't wear shades, and she can't resist him. I noticed he never has to give any of it back, so shades may be the way to go. So, Brothers, that's my story. Watch out. My message is, pretty women can do you up, or they can do you in. I guess I was lucky, mine was the best. Beethoven This is all for today, because we shared our letter with Beethoven. He is so handsome we couldn't refuse, long hair, bushy tail, and shiny whiskers, enough to trip any ferret girl's heart. Before we go, we wanted to ask you a question. Beethoven was talking to us, and he asked if we knew where he could get some shades. The two legged kid was wearing his "shades" today, and Beethoven said if he had a pair, he thought they would keep him on top of the situation. We said we'd ask you. Silly (handsome) boy. See you later Shelter Mom, we are going out for our run, and we have to check out Foster Mom's computer. Love to all, June and Storm. Dear Foster Grandma, Thank you, thank you, thank you, for the yummie lunch you sent us. Foster Mom picked up some Totally Ferret at the Shelter today, and we are munching it. You are the best Grandma and we just wanted you to know that we appreciate your help. It gets expensive for Foster Mom to keep all of us in good health, and she makes soup for us, gives us some vitamins, and we think she is sneaking us some other "stuff" but we can't be sure. Anyway, Foster Mom was thrilled with the gift, andwe go around singing, yummie, yummie, yummie, we have good things in our tummies. Love June and Storm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:27:09 EDT From: Ann DiPasquale Subject: Introducing a new ferret Hi, I have a 14 month old male ferret (Simon). I just adopted a 9 month old female ferret (Daisy) from our local animal shelter 5 days ago. My problem is that even though we have been taking it slow, Simon, who has been an only ferret for about a year, is biting Daisy in the neck whenever we try to let them interact at all. He is not biting hard enough to draw blood or even make her cry but he is biting her non the less and obviously she doesn't like it. For the time being we are keeping them in separate cages, but right next to each other. I have also been interchanging their blankets to hopefully get Simon used to her smell. I was just wondering from others if this is the normal process of him accepting her or if I am going to have trouble getting them eventually in the same cage and interacting nicely. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Ann ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:06:41 -0700 From: Sunshine Subject: Ferret Health It's good to quarantine the new ones for a week. Keep them in different areas of the home. You can let the new one play in the same area, but don't let them use the same water/food/litter box. This way if the new ones are sick it won't give it to the other one. This would cut down on yours getting ECE, parasites or bacterial infections. If I would not have quarantined the two we got from someone I would have had 5 with a bacterial infection and force feeding 5 every two hours for a few days. This is no fun at all. I've felt so bad for the people I have talked to who didn't quarantine and the new one had ECE. You might let your ferret pick out the ferret it wants. We like boys better because they are bigger in size. Our two girls are so small. Some pet stores will let you have one of yours play with theirs. All shelter's let you bring one with you so your ferret can pick out the ferret. Any age is fine. Just if one is bigger in size you might have to wait awhile to let them sleep together. The first girl we got we had to wait for a month to let her sleep with the other two. She was too small to defend herself. We did let them play together supervised. Shelter's are better really. The person can tell you all about the ferret you want. Personality and other things. Some shelters are so overloaded with ferret's. Plus, some have late spaying and neutering which is much healthier then MF's kits. Email me anytime. Not sure you have seen two ferret's play but they play rough and many are surprised and shocked at this. Watching two play and sleep together is alot of fun.. Thanks for considering having two of them. They are much happier having a friend. Debbie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:07:31 -0400 From: Alicia Subject: Film for FerretWise Does anyone get Seattle Filmworks film unsolicited? YTou know the intorductory mailers to try their service? If you have any of these around the house and were wondering what to do woith them-- at FerretWise our local photo shop will replace any unused seattle filmworks film with the camera shops film (Kodak). So if anyone wants to help in a small way mail those film canisters out and we can document the work & educate here while reducing the costs! please send your donated seattle filmworks rolls of film to: Ferret Wise PO Box 561 Marlborough, NH 03455 The folks and ferrets will thank you! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:01:23 -0600 From: "Gustafson, Barb" Subject: Address Change Please note the following change in address for the Alberta Ferret Society effective July 15/99. Old address Site 1 Box 85 RR2 Tofield, AB T0B4J0 New Address 7619-70 Avenue Edmonton, AB T6C0A3 Our Ferret Hot Line # remains the same at (780) 447-3336. Please update your records to reflect this change. Barbara Gustafson Alberta Ferret Society President e-mail: ferts@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:20:22 -0400 From: Kymberlie Barone Subject: Florida Shelters - a Visit? Hello, I just received the following message in our website's guestbook, and thought I'd post here to see if anyone would know if there would be any shelters (or breeder) in South Florida willing to give a tour to a 13 year old girl. Mike Janke - I was thinking of you but I don't have your e-mail address. The message follows; please reply to me as I did not ask permission to post the e-mail address of the girl's mother. If you can provide a tour to the girl, send me a message directed to them and I will simply forward it in it's entirety. They have five ferrets, Taz, chiko, Misty, Bear, and Flash, and they are from Canada. Thanks... ----------- Hi...the ferrets really belong to my 13 year old daughter. She has a paper route and has bought and maintained them all by herself. She is wonderful with all animals and seems to have a way even with mean ones. We are planning a trip south to florida starting on August 20, and her wish list named a visit to a ferret breeders or shelter. Is there anyone willing to let her see the little furries up close? Heather Legault ----------- Thanks again -- hope all are doing well, anyone going to the Warm Fuzzy show, I'll see you there! :o) Kymberlie Barone Director, Pennsylvania Ferret Rescue Association Montgomery County Branch http://www.ferretrescue.com Looking for a ferret club in Pennsylvania? Ask me about the Pennsylvania F.E.R.R.E.T. Club and other ferret clubs in the state! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:11:10 PDT From: Coree Campbell Subject: Anyone know where there is a Shelter hello again I'm still wanting to get a ferret and I think i'm starting to change my dad's mind. I was just wondering if anyone knows of a shelter near the Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario, Canada cause I was hoping I could find one and take my dad there. Also if there are any new arguements I could use that would be great!! Coree coreecampbell@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:55:59 -0400 From: "Jennifer D. Ellis" Subject: uh-oh, bad signs here First off, I'd like to just thank all the generous folks on this list who've been offering to help us out a little--the plastic bags and coupons have been really helpful. Everything is, at this point. :-) You know who you are. And we're starting to become better known in the community, too, which is excellent--vets are giving out our number, and we had two appointments last night with folks who wanted to meet our fuzzies. Yay! In fact, all five adoptable babies are spoken for now, and one has gone to her new home, where she seems to be settling in and hasn't beat up her new cage-mate more than once so far. Now, the bad part: we had a pair of rescues dropped off Sunday, lovely little girls, not from a horrible situation or anything--or at least I didn't think so. Now I don't know what to think. After their previous owner had left, Dennis noticed that the fat, healthy, friendly sable actually has a hugely swollen vulva. Cringe. Her silver sister seems fine, although her poop's quite runny--but so far we've never seen a new ferret not get diarrhea for a day or two. But Lucy, although she seems healthy otherwise, quite obviously isn't. The vet appointment--next time we could get in with her--is Wednesday morning. I know the two most common reasons for this symptom: a partial spay (or unaltered jill), or an adrenal problem. Are there any other possibilities I should know about? She's a Marshall ferret, so she's been altered, at least supposedely. I haven't heard a lot about partial spays with reference to their ferrets, but I understand it's not common in general. Then again, she has absolutely NO other signs of an adrenal problem--one of the most gorgeous coats I've ever seen, active, a bit on the heavy side. We're preparing for major surgery, but not looking forward to living on bread and water. :-) Seriously, we knew this would happen, but hoped it wouldn't be so soon. A lovely young couple has already fallen in love with the two of them, and wants to be involved with the surgery and recovery, which is wonderful--and, providing it's all cut-and-dried and she makes a full recovery from whatever it is, they'll be adopting her pretty soon. Good folks, and this is the sweetest little girl... she and her sister are both so happy to get attention that they cover us with kisses. Anyway, any information or similar stories would be great. Wish us luck! Jen and the Crazy Business plus lots and lots ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:19:55 -0700 From: Sunshine Subject: Shelter's About my post earlier. I just wanted to pass out business cards or something on paper about the shelter is all. All I knew about Sandies is she has some ferret's and rabbits. So learning abit more of her shelter would help me tell other people about her shelter. Was upset because I could not even get a small amount of info to pass on. Heck I can print stuff on paper with their name, address and phone #. I have heard some shelter's have many ferret's in their home. Why is in not possible for other's to foster a ferret for some time? I'm sure a family would be able to give much love to a ferret or two for some time. I'm talking about healthy ferret's I guess. There are a few shelter's I know of who have 30+ and 60+ ferret's. My family would be able to offer much love to ferret's. Sure it may be hard when they leave. So can someone tell me why shelter's are not able to do this? Plus, this would allow the shelter to spend less food and other things. Am I missing something or what? Debbie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:02:29 -0700 From: William Killian - Zen and the Art of Ferrets Subject: zen responds to a few others about this shelter and their face to the world issue >From: Mark Zmyewski >Subject: Reply to Zen and others about "Shelters hating people" >I am not sure just how the Killians run their shelter, maybe we should >try to visit them sometime, but "scaling back" their shelter work due to >"medical problems" concerns me since they do not believe in the fostering >system. We haven't turned away a ferret ever. But we do tend to point people toward whatever shelter is closest to them (or a list of close shelters in cases like Northern Virginia. I'll tell Diane you expressed concern for her illness. Seems more appropriate anyway. No need to "compare diseases". And by all means if you are near the top of Virginia give us a call so we can tell you how to find our little haven on the back side of the mountain. We do not believe in fostering. If someone wants to adopt a ferret, great. If they only want the fun part and aren't actually accepting the long term hard part then we really don't want them to have the ferrets that are our wards. We'll accept all the responsibilty. >In my eyes, there is no "scaling back". To explain the term scaling back. We have bred only one litter of ferrets this year - not expecting others but they could happen as some jills might go back in to season. We live way out in the middle of nowhere on the back side of a mountain. Despite living way out there is another breeder/shelter person in the area. Our area is so lightly populated (by east coast standards anyway) that we have been able to reduce our work load and still provide for all the ferrets in need that we find out about. THe lower population density is a prime reason we moved where we did. >From: FerretsR1@AOL.COM >Subject: volunteering at shelters >I agree that the foster placement should be permanent. Maybe a better >screening on the future foster parents. I started with fostering. Finding >foster homes would be #1 on my list of what a volunteer can do. The >ferrets that would go to foster homes, are basically unadoptable, old or >ill ferrets. Perhaps we have a problem with differences of opinions on what it means to foster. I think Faith and I have the same idea but use different words. If its permanent I call it an adoption. If its not permanent I call it a foster and do not support the concept for the most part. I'm sure special circumstances can be construed where I might agree to a temporary placing but not as much as some seem to practice. If Faith is meaning finding folks willing to (my term) adopt special needs ferrets means you have to use a different means to place them thats fine and expected. We usually have some oldster ferret of our own running around that ends up with a new roomie when we get a really old ferret in. We consider them permanently placed with us. We ended up having one old lady move in with us from another shelter after an adoption event. We and the other shelter mutually agreed that since that old lady would have a good home and a roomie of "similar energy level", she just stayed. We didn't call it fostering as she was permament. We just think that once placed that ferret is out of the shelter and we don't use them to increase the number of ferrets "in our shelter". But then we don't have similar needs to many for donations. -bill -- bill and diane killian zen and the art of ferrets http://www.zenferret.com/ mailto:killian@zenferret.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 02:45:27 -0700 From: Kylie Preisig Subject: breeding age >This is about the only thing in the post that differs from our experiences. >Most breeders around here use one year as the fully mature age. We use two >for dogs but have so far used one for ferrets. Ah, the two year breeding age is what I had been told by the local ferret club as the recommended age. The jill we bred was actually younger than two years, and she had no problems. What do other breeders think? >>From: Derek & Amy Flemming - Flemming Farms >>Subject: Annie White - and others Amy posted a great response in the ferret forum to my questions on how she copes with the hazards of breeding she lists in her post. Maybe she could post something similar here? Kylie Ferretless in Queensland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:55:38 -0700 From: JudithMoon Subject: we do take back our ferrets I would not normally answer one of Ed's posts, but since there are a number of people who read this mailing list that are not aware of Ed's problems I will answer this. Yes, we will always "take back" ferrets of our own breeding. That goes even if they are dying of ECE. We do not abandon our babies! We would take a contagious ferret to our vet. for quarantine and aid. Others would be quarantined at our own facility. As for taking in other ferrets, we do our best. We do not "take in" every animal, but do help to see that it is taken in by a local shelter or someone willing to care for or adopt it. And yes, like many others, we do sell breeding stock to those who have the proper recommendations and knowledge to raise ferrets. Ed Lipinski is not one of those who will ever legitimately own a ferret from us. Obviously Ed makes personal attacks on those he feels threatened by. Since our animals are raised carefully and lovingly, in a home environment that is clean, he must feel that since he cannot compete, he must attack. Very sorry, such posts are allowed on this mailing list. Judith Moon Moonsong Exotics, bred to be the perfect companion http://moonsongferrets.virtualave.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:46:57 EDT From: Jennifer LaRossa Subject: ? re dog/ferret compatibility Dear Everyone, I can't believe I am asking this, because I am usually johnny-on-the-spot advising people to get caretaking breeds (and from shelters and rescues, for Pete's sake!) to pal around with their ferrets, but.... here's the story: My mother has had to move in with us. She always said that after my father died, she would get a dachshund. Since she is very depressed and has limited tolerance for the babies' antics (and Rustle and Archie are exemplary in their behavior, by the way, no kidding), I suppose I will have to get her something. Myself, I am not over the death of our border collie (rescue) last year, but that is irrelevant; my mother deserves her own little poofette. Mom is fragile and senile and therefore not a candidate for something beyond a fifi-type. But these little dogs all seem so .... snappish? Don't get me wrong, I love dogs, but Russ and Archie come first and the thought of an ill-tempered pooch hurting them is frightening. Any breeds that anyone could recommend? Dachshund would be her choice, I have heard that bichon frises get along well with other animals, my friend has a Yorkie who tolerates her ferrets (though I thought terriers would not be the best combo)... any suggestions, guys? And yes, some of you would recommend a cat... that would be perfect, but some of us are highly allergic to cats, and with three asthmatics in the house, we wouldn't be able to adopt one because we would have to find another home for it in a matter of days. The quicker the reply the better, before I do something impulsive. (There's a reason ferrets and I get along so well!) thanks a lot, Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:39:14 -0500 From: Lara Tyminski Subject: Ferrets and Dogs Could any of you who had an existing business of ferrets, and then added a puppy or dog let me know how this affected you and your ferrets? I'm wondering how the needs of a dog may interfere with the time I have for my 4 fuzzies. How much of a puppy's personality carries on into adulthood? Can you tell what they'll be like when they grow up? I'm concerned that they may turn into a really aggressive dog, despite being raised around ferrets since they were 4 days old. The pups are now 10 1/2 weeks and I soon have to make the decision to adopt or return them to the shelter. Thankyou, Lara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:44:48 +0000 From: "Melissa A. Durfee" Subject: litter training...now I'm getting desperate Hi all :-) I adopted Brickbat from a shelter nine months ago. She was about 1.5 years old and had been in the shelter system for several months. Apparently she had been trained to use the litter box in her cage at the shelter but she did not retain that skill when we brought her home. In the last nine months we have managed to get her up to about 80% usage outside of the cage. The big problem is at night when she is in the cage with the other three ferrets. We have a three-level Prevue-Hendrix cage with a litter pan on the bottom level. The wire floor beneath the pan is protected by several heavy ceramic tiles. If a human is standing in front of the cage Brickbat will usually go in the pan like she is supposed to. However, at night she just plants her butt in every corner and makes a disgusting mess. Methods I have tried: housing her in a carrier with a litter pan (worked for a while, then she started crapping on her blankets); rewarding her for using the pan; making her use it before she comes out; tied boxes, clothes, and toys in the corners (she craps on them too); Bitter Apple; moving the litter pan; adding a second pan; cleaning the pan before bed. My boyfriend's latest solution has been for me to let HIM clean up the messes so I don't burst a blood-vessel. :> The other ferrets were 100% while in the cage until recently. Now Seymore is taking hints from Bricky and not bothering to use the box either! Is there something I am missing? Or is it her brain that has gone AWOL? Are some ferrets destined to be forever untrainable? If you can help PLEASE send me some suggestions. -mel ~ Question the definition of Progress ~ ~ www.Adbusters.org ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:24:51 -0700 From: Mia and Patrick Emery Subject: Name Raffle, We've got our first entries!! Hi folks! Well our first three entries for our name raffle have arrived. The first is Poquito which means 'little one' in spanish. The second is Trooper because she's been such a little trooper through everything. Third is Ottis ferrets choice Spot, 'Cause Spot is his favorite book character 'See Spot. See Spot run' For anyone who has No idea what I'm talking about please check out: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/5172/rescstry.htm for a full explanation. The Journal and pictures have been updated with info from the second vets visit. Do you have a name you think would suit our little ferret? Check out the above link to find out how to enter your chosen name. We have decided that when we have enough entries we are going to post them on our webpage and ask you all to vote on your favorite name. You get to choose the winner! Thanks Again to all of you! Mia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:59:06 EDT From: Sandy Repper Subject: Oops Guess I just expected you folks to read my mind.Are you ready? There..... got it? For the pschically impaired, the pet expo will be at the state fairgrounds in Albuquerque,New Mexico on July 17th.The ferret community will be well represented,after all my fuzzies will be there.Can't get much cuter than that,not that I'm bragging. I've been rather busy getting ready,but the fuzzbutts are taking stardom in stride,other than the sunglasses.Right Dizzy? BTW,Sugar thinks you're the ferrets dook.Oh, and Joy,Taz says he loves a British accent.Hope to see you there. Sandy and the Wee Beasties ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:26:05 -0400 From: Lynn Foster or Chris Stephenson Subject: Ontario ferret who is going to die Dear FML: Today I called the pound in Durham and spoke to Sophie. The first thing she asked was "where are you calling from?" I can only assume the calls from all over North America have really caught her and her operation off guard. I assured her I was calling from Richmond Hill (very close) and she had nothing to fear. I pleaded for her to let me take the ferret but she explained it still belongs to the abusive owner and they have no law within their grasp to seize it from her (this may be bullshit, but I am not familiar with all the implications of this case). Anyway the owner has demanded the ferret be put to sleep. Sophie assured me that the owner had been told that people had called and were prepared to adopt it but the owner is insisting on killing her pet ferret (again this may or may not be bullshit). It is imperative that we make sure an autopsy is preformed to settle once and for all (as Ed [Lipinski] has observed) that no cruelty to this animal was involved. In other words will an autopsy show starvation or previously broken bones or any sign of abuse? This woman is known to the local Childrens Aid society - under what circumstances the paper did not say - but it won't be for her good deeds. To that end it is probably the next step that as many people as possible call the Durham Humane Society and demand that they take the ferret from the Durham Pound and preform an autopsy and depending on what that shows that she be charged if cruelty is proved. Durham Humane Society - 1 905 433 2022 The phone number for the Durham Police is 1 905 579 1520 I am not sure if a call to them is necessary but they are the investigating force so maybe if there are any officers of the law (or ex-officers of the law) they could make a call and get some action. It is not beyond my thinking that this woman wants this animal dead and gone so that she cannot be linked to cruelty charges and indeed if the ferret is euthanized already we may be screwed - so Thursday as you are reading this please think about making the call and not let this ferret die in vain - at the very least you may be saving two small children from a continued life in hell. The number for the Durham Pound is 1 905 427 8737 and the manager is Sophie in case anyone needs to speak to her. I will also be senging a copy of this email to the Solicitor General for Canada as she is in the process of re-writing the cruelty to animals laws in Canada as it appears that cruelty to animals is nearly always a sign that a person is capable of more horrific and sadistic crime in the future. It is a short step from abusing your pet by not feeding it to locking your kids in a closet and going out for a few beers for a few days. Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:16:18 +700 From: Edward Lipinski Subject: Request for help in obtaining body of Toronto ferret. To magick@ECHO-ON.NET and to www.ferretaid.org: I have posted on this FML an urgent request for the immediate shipment of the body of the Toronto ferret to me at the address indicated - or that a detailed necropsy report be sent from a local Toronto ferret vet who would perform said necropsy. Would you please contact the owner of the ferret and possibly make the necessary arrangements with her to achieve delivery of said ferret or its necropsy report. Please tell her that I will pay all expenses and that I will arrange for a proper burial of the remains here on Mercer Island, Washington, USA. Also request from her that she obtain from the attending physcian a detailed anatomical description of wounds inflicted by the ferret on the infant and that she make that report available to me. If necessary I will sign a release of Liability and Hold Harmless Agreement executed by my attorney in her behalf. Thank you so very much. Time is of the essence! Edward Lipinski Ferret Endowment for Research, Rehabilitation, Education & Training Society, North West, USA. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:36:08 EDT From: "F. Scott Giarrocco" Subject: Re: Simple question about the Toronto Ferret that Mauled a Human Infant [Sent in 2 parts -- combined into one. BIG] >But let's be very clear on this - not one person on this mailing list has >even hinted at the REASON why a ferret inflicts biting wounds on an infant, >as in the Toronto case as well as all the others that history has recorded. Ed, your memory seems to be very selective. Such discussions were held on the FML several times, or is it possible that the reason you deliberately chose not to recall such comments is because they don't fit in with your theories that ferrets are not "fully domesticated" and prone to feral attacks on babies? No one here has ever denied that ferret bites do occur from time to time. That is a fact. Several reasons have been suggested in the past for why ferret bites occur: -- The ferret was attempting to play with the baby. We all know ferrets nip and bite each other multiple times when they play in a rough and tumble way. There is also the explanation for multiple bites in one area. Observe two ferrets playing and you will see multiple play bites delivered to the same area on the opponent. -- The infant hits or inadvertantly hurts the ferret and the ferret reacts to the threat in the only way possible. Since the baby is unable to run away, it flails its arms continuing the perceived threat to the ferret and multiple bites occur. -- The ferret is attempting to show dominance over the infant who is a newcomer into the house. This is normal ferret behavior. >Those who have attempted to find a reason for the ferret mauling the >infant in Toronto have cited that oft repeated cliche: >It's not the ferrets fault; it's not the infant's fault either. It's >the fault of the adult. >Please note here that the word "reason" is somehow changed by the >respondents to the word "fault." No, no one other than you is substituting the word "reason" for "fault." The number one *reason* ferret bites occur on infants is indeed adult human neglect. The humans neglect to take the proper precautions to prevent a very preventable and predictable incident. It doesn't take an Einstein to know that infants and any living animal unsupervised in the same location are not a safe combination. In almost every infant/ferret bite incident reported, the infant was left in a room alone with an uncaged, unsupervised ferret. Had an adult human been watching over the infant, the ferret, or both (as they should have been), the bite incident(s) would not have occurred. The incidents of infant/ferret bites are the direct result of adult human neglect, and lack of common sense, and nothing more. They are regretable and preventable. But, they are not the result of some dormant feral instinct to attack and maul infants that is suddenly turned on like a light switch the moment a ferret first sees/hears/smells an infant. The common factors behind every infant/pet bite incident is neglect and/or a lack of common sense on the part of the adult human responsible for providing a safe environment for both the infant and the pet. Every parenting expert and pet expert will tell the public in no uncertain terms DO NOT leave an infant and pet together unsupervised. So yes, we can educate the public on what it takes to prevent infant/ferret bite incidents. The answer is simple, supervise your infant and pets at all times. Never leave the infant and ferret in the same room alone together. Never turn your back on the infant and ferret even when you are in the same room as they. Do those simple things and there will be no ferret/infant bite incidents again. PART 2 >Also I have to ask, why has not even one individual expressed the desire to >determine the physical condition of the attacking ferret? What is there >about this Toronto ferret that is unique to him (her)? Is there something >comparable in this ferret to all the other ferrets that have mauled infants >that may be discovered by a finely detailed examination of the Toronto >Terrifier before he is killed, or for that matter, even after he is killed. You assume again that the reason for the incident in Toronto is to be found physically within the ferret. That is as logical as trying to determine what the picture on a puzzle will look like by examining only one puzzle piece. You deliberately choose to ignore the common factor between the Toronto incident and other infant/ferret bite incidents. Look there and you will find the answers you claim you are seeking. That is if you really are interested in discovering the reasons behind infant/ferret bite incidents. >Thus I return to my point made in the original post, unless questions such >as I have proposed above are asked and fully answered, there is no >knowledge to pass on to other ferret owners or the general public as to >how best protect infants from continued ferret attacks. How can ferret >owners who are ignorant, and I'm afraid we are all ignorant in this field >of ferret behavior, educate the public? Simple. We can't. We are as >dumb as doorknobs, wouldn't you agree? No, I would not agree. I am surprised that someone who claims to run the Ferret Research Institute and have many years of experience with ferrets can also claim ignorance of ferret behavior. Ferret behavior is understandable and even predictable. Ferrets bite for a number of reasons: -- Ferrets bite in play and need to learn human/ferret social skills to learn how not to harm the less bite resistant human skin. Even a well socialized ferret who has mastered the skill of play biting their adult human companions is in strange new territory when confronted by a human infant. The old rules just don't apply since an infant's skin is more prone to injury. This is predictable ferret behavior and can be prevented by not allowing infant/ferret interaction. -- Ferrets bite out of fear and/or anger. Infants lack coordinated motor skills and can easily frighten or injure a curious ferret who is allowed into contact with the infant (again, either through neglect or lack of common sense). The natural ferret behavioral response is to bite at the source of injury. This, too, is predictable ferret behavior and can be prevented. -- Ferrets bite to establish and maintain social dominance. An infant is a new member of the established household. Ferrets do not know that a human infant is automatically higher on the established social dominance scale of the household. This is normal and predictable ferret behavior, and again, can be prevented. -- Ferrets tend to be more prone to biting when ill or injured. This is predictable ferret behavior. They have so few other methods for communicating when they are unwell. Ferret communication -- like most animal communications -- is complex, and involves, vocalizations, body language, and even biting. The knowledge on how to prevent infant/ferret/pet bite incidents is available, and has been available for generations. My great-grandmother knew it, and her great-grandmother knew it. It is rooted in common sense -- do not permit infant/ferret/pet interaction without close, responsible adult human supervision. There is no mystery, no deep feral instinct, no unknown ferret behavioral syndrome. There is just good, old-fashioned common sense, or a lack thereof. The real problem is that so many people may be just don't use common sense. They may be too busy, may assume that the pet has never bitten before, or just plain don't think something will happen to them. Accidents and incidents happen, and many of them are preventable if common sense is employed ahead of time. >Edward Lipinski, who's been there and done that! Seventy-two inches of >intestine in the ferret that was necropsied here in my vet's lab. And >you know what? Not one bit of food in the stomach or intestine - only 20 >millimeters of feces just inside the anus. Does this suggest that this >ferret that inflicted 47 lacerations of a premature infant's scalp was >starving? You tell me. As I said before, the situation as you described was less than credible, ferrets are not permitted in the Neonatal ward where premature infants are kept and hospitals do not routinely release premature babies to a home environment. But, for argument's sake, if the stomach and intestine indicated the ferret was suffering from starvation, then once again the one factor which you continue to ignore comes into play -- human neglect. The humans in that household created the conditions which directly led to the alleged incident. The causation was external to the ferret and not internal -- namely, the humans did not feed the ferret. FSG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:36:29 -0400 From: The Ferret Aid Society Subject: London Cruelty case I'm still feeling sorrow for the poor wee ferret that was euthanised for attacking a baby, but I have to also feel excited about today's case against Robert Jarmain. Please keep us all in your prayers today. The case will be brought before the court at 10 am. Good vibes are needed. Keep your fingers crossed that we win and I'll keep you all up to date on the outcome. Thank you to all of you. Love, Randy The Ferret Aid Society "For the love of our fuzzy friends" http://www.ferretaid.org http://www.igive.com/html/ssi.cfm?cid=1383&mid=43897 Use your mouse to raise funds for the shelter by clicking here. ------------------------------ End of FERRET-L Digest - 14 Jul 1999 to 15 Jul 1999 (#1999-2741) ****************************************************************  1, answered,, Summary-line: 15-Jul pstark@furniture.com #RE: alert 2 Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06574; Thu, 15 Jul 99 17:05:05 EDT Received: from mail1.furniture.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19328; Thu, 15 Jul 99 17:05:03 EDT Received: by mail1.furniture.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <333R3J7G>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:03:17 -0400 Message-Id: <210D83C9C26AD211A2020008C74CCBE733A8C0@mail1.furniture.com> From: Peter Stark To: "'David C. Jedlinsky'" Subject: RE: alert 2 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:03:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: Peter Stark To: "'David C. Jedlinsky'" Subject: RE: alert 2 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:03:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I do, but I think I left it home today. It's not in my briefcase. What a day to forget it! Right now, there are 2 more helicopters going by. I don't know what the prognosis is, but Rte. 9 (my office is right on Rte. 9 westbound; we moved to Framingham a few weeks ago) is closed and has been for half an hour already. You can reach me here at 508-416-6334. I'll email you when they open the parking lot exit, or should I call? Where to call? Peter. > -----Original Message----- > From: David C. Jedlinsky [mailto:opus@mit.edu] > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 5:02 PM > To: Peter Stark > Subject: Re: alert 2 > > > > Keep me posted. We can show up later if necessary. > > Do you have a cell phone? > > -Dave >  1,, Summary-line: 15-Jul mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Fwd: Adam Sandler's List Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10561; Thu, 15 Jul 99 17:20:23 EDT Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23451; Thu, 15 Jul 99 17:21:05 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 114suz-0002ay-00; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:19:49 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <31556Y6P>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:19:47 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , "Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)" , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , Shefsky , sooz , stevemartin Cc: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: Fwd: Adam Sandler's List Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:19:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , "Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)" , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , Shefsky , sooz , stevemartin Cc: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Lori Rozmus , Mitchell Bell Subject: FW: Fwd: Adam Sandler's List Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:19:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From Amy @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > > --Ten Things That Piss Me Off-*Adam Sandler* > > > > 1. People who point at their wrist while asking for the time. I know > where > > my watch is buddy, where the fuck is yours? Do I point at my crotch > when I > > ask where the bathroom is? > > > > 2. The Pillsbury doughboy is way too happy considering he has no > dick. > > > > > > 3. People who are willing to get off their ass to search the entire > room > > for > > the TV remote because they refuse to walk to the TV and change the > channel > > manually. > > > > 4. When people say "Oh you just want to have your cake and eat it > too." > > Fuck > > off. What good is a goddamn cake if you can't eat it? > > > > 5. When people say "It's always in the last place you look". Of > course it > > is. Why the fuck would you keep looking after you've found it? Do > > people do this? Who and where are they? > > > > 6. When people say, while watching a movie "Did you see that?" No > > dicknose, > > I paid $7.50 to come to the theatre and stare at the frikken ceiling > up > > there. > > > > 7. The radio ad "Hi, I'm Jeff Healey from the Jeff Healey Band. > Don't > > drink > > and drive. I don't". Well, I hope you don't drive sober either Mr. > Healey. > > You're blind for God's sake! > > > > 8. People who ask "Can I ask you a question?" Didn't really give me > a > > choice, did ya there buddy? > > > > 9. When something is "new and improved", which is it? If it's new, > then > > there has never been anything before it. If it's an improvement, > then > > there > > must have been something before it. > > > > 10. When a cop pulls you over and then asks if you know how fast you > were > > going? You should know asshole you fucking pulled me over! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bill (The Bear) Garvey > > Buckley Associates, Inc. > > Phone: 781-878-5000 ext. 160 > > Fax: 781-871-9435 > > > > > > > > > >  1, answered,, Summary-line: 16-Jul bjaspan@intermute.com #Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08187; Fri, 16 Jul 99 07:49:13 EDT Received: from ne.mediaone.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14460; Fri, 16 Jul 99 07:49:56 EDT Received: from zoar-gap (horowitz.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.136.87]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA29579 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990716075235.00a64580@po8.mit.edu> X-Sender: bjaspan@po8.mit.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:52:35 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Barry Jaspan Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee In-Reply-To: <199907142028.QAA29563@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: bjaspan@po8.mit.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:52:35 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Barry Jaspan Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee In-Reply-To: <199907142028.QAA29563@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dave, I would very much like to go, but I screwed up my back again on Sunday. It may be better in time, but I'm not sure, so I don't want to jinx myself by signing up. (Ironically, a one-day back spasm prevented me from diving at not last summer.) If my back heals, I will contact you to see if there is still room on the boat. Thanks, Barry At 04:28 PM 7/14/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I called today, and got some more information. > >There are no Saturday dives; they reserve that day for classes. This >means we can only dive Sunday, August 1. He told me I can call back >by the end of this week, and still be able to book space, so if anyone >wants to back out, let me know ASAP. I'll be paying for the trip on >Friday morning. > >Gear rental will be handled that morning. The shop opens at 8:00, the >boat leaves at 9. For those who asked, mouthpieces start at $5.00 and >go up from there; you get to keep it, of course. > >It doesn't look like we're going to get the ten people needed to rent >the entire boat, so we'll probably have company. I still haven't >heard from Jeff or Barry; unless I do, I'm not going to book for you. > >-Dave >  1,, Summary-line: 16-Jul to: rocky@dimins.com, dan #Lake dive reserved Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09600; Fri, 16 Jul 99 12:00:07 EDT Received: from CHARON.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22930; Fri, 16 Jul 99 12:00:47 EDT Received: (from opus@localhost) by charon.MIT.EDU (8.7.6/2.3JIK) id MAA04012; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:00:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:00:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199907161600.MAA04012@charon.MIT.EDU> From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: rocky@dimins.com, dan@mendyke.com, mike@mendyke.com, goodmanj@MIT.EDU, bjaspan@MIT.EDU Subject: Lake dive reserved *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:00:03 -0400 From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: rocky@dimins.com, dan@mendyke.com, mike@mendyke.com, goodmanj@MIT.EDU, bjaspan@MIT.EDU Subject: Lake dive reserved I called and made reservations for the six of us. If anyone needs to back out due to health problems or whatever, you can do so up to 48 hours beforehand. Details: We're diving with a boat, the "Lady-go-diva", from "Dive Winnipesaukee", in Wolfeboro, NH. The phone number is (603) 569-8080, and the entire reservation is under my name; they don't have anyone else's name listed. The shop opens at 8:00, and we need to be there around that time to get our rental gear fitted. They want to brief everyone at 8:30, and the boat leaves promptly at 9:00. It will return between 2:00 and 2:30. If anyone wants to bring a non-diver, they have various watercraft for rent, or there's most likely a town beach (I'd have to check on that). There's almost no room left on the boat, but if anyone wanted to come along for the ride, it would be $15, space permitting. We need to bring whatever gear we don't want to rent, bathing suits, and a lunch. They have coolers. You also need your certification card and log book. Do we want to meet somewhere so we can all drive up together, or would people rather just have directions and fend for themselves? -Dave  1, answered,, Summary-line: 16-Jul goodmanj@MIT.EDU #Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15123; Fri, 16 Jul 99 12:16:37 EDT Received: from AMPERSAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17929; Fri, 16 Jul 99 12:16:33 EDT Received: by ampersand.mit.edu (8.8.8/4.7) id MAA13806; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907161616.MAA13806@ampersand.mit.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: jcb@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:28:13 EDT." <199907142028.QAA29563@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:16:34 EDT From: Jason Goodman *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Cc: jcb@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:28:13 EDT." <199907142028.QAA29563@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:16:34 EDT From: Jason Goodman I'll need a ride to NH and to the lake. Know where I could get one? I'll talk to Carolyn to see if she wants to come along and hang out.  1,, Summary-line: 16-Jul bjaspan@intermute.com #Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15502; Fri, 16 Jul 99 12:17:52 EDT Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18272; Fri, 16 Jul 99 12:17:49 EDT Received: from zoar-gap (horowitz.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.136.87]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA13639 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990716122114.00a82c30@po8.mit.edu> X-Sender: bjaspan@po8.mit.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:21:14 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Barry Jaspan Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee In-Reply-To: <199907161550.LAA03985@charon.MIT.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: bjaspan@po8.mit.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:21:14 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Barry Jaspan Subject: Re: Diving in Lake Winnipesaukee In-Reply-To: <199907161550.LAA03985@charon.MIT.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sounds good. Barry At 11:50 AM 7/16/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Barry, > >The boat is almost full, so I put you down for a reservation anyway. >You can cancel any time up to 48 hours beforehand, so if you decide >during the last week of July that you won't be able to go, all you >have to do is cancel by Thursday afternoon. > >If you really feel that's a problem, we can cancel now, but you're >almost guaranteed to not be able to go if you do so. > >-Dave >  1,, Summary-line: 16-Jul goodmanj@MIT.EDU #Palm Pilot & NeXT via MIDI? Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA27812; Fri, 16 Jul 99 16:36:51 EDT Received: from AMPERSAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11497; Fri, 16 Jul 99 16:37:34 EDT Received: by ampersand.mit.edu (8.8.8/4.7) id QAA14229; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907162036.QAA14229@ampersand.mit.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: opus@MIT.EDU, eichin@MIT.EDU Subject: Palm Pilot & NeXT via MIDI? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:36:49 EDT From: Jason Goodman *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: opus@MIT.EDU, eichin@MIT.EDU Subject: Palm Pilot & NeXT via MIDI? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:36:49 EDT From: Jason Goodman Carolyn asked me if there was a program which would let her compose music on her Pilot, so that she could make exercises to give to her students. After a little looking, I found "miniMusic" (5thwall.com/minimusic). It's a very simple composition program, with the neat feature of being able to send MIDI to the Pilot's serial port. In theory, one could hook a desktop music typesetting system (say, Calliope) to the other end of the serial port, and be able to dump the composition to the PC, print it out, or whatever. Calliope claims to be able to read MIDI through its serial port. I (semi)successfully hooked the Pilot up to the NeXT using the following cabling: NeXT to Mac modem cable (8 pin Mac serial to db25) to db25 to db9 RS232 converter (came with pilot) to Pilot cradle to Pilot Starting Kermit on the NeXT and telling MiniMusic to dump a song in MIDI to the serial ports results in random characters appearing in Kermit, in tempo with the music. I interpret this to mean a successful serial connection. However, if I go into Calliope and use the "Tools... Perform" dialog, set the MIDI source/sink to "GMIDI-B" (which the manual says corresponds to serial port B) and press "record", then tell MiniMusic to dump MIDI, I get nothing appearing in Calliope. I've tried using a null modem adapter, with no effect. I suspect a baud-rate problem, but I don't know enough to figure it out. Having info about the MIDI format which would allow me to know what garbage *should* be appearing in kermit might help. Opus, you're the Calliope guru. Mark, you're the Pilot guru, and you seem like the sort who might find this an interesting puzzle. Any ideas?  1,, Summary-line: 16-Jul eichin@thok.org #Re: Palm Pilot & NeXT via MIDI? Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16564; Fri, 16 Jul 99 22:52:30 EDT Received: from paycheck.thok.org by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10514; Fri, 16 Jul 99 22:52:24 EDT Received: (qmail 3893 invoked by uid 3382); 17 Jul 1999 02:52:22 -0000 To: Jason Goodman Cc: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Palm Pilot & NeXT via MIDI? References: <199907162036.QAA14229@ampersand.mit.edu> From: eichin@thok.org (Mark W. Eichin) Date: 16 Jul 1999 22:52:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: Jason Goodman's message of "Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:36:49 EDT" Message-Id: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 *** EOOH *** To: Jason Goodman Cc: opus@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Palm Pilot & NeXT via MIDI? References: <199907162036.QAA14229@ampersand.mit.edu> From: eichin@thok.org (Mark W. Eichin) Date: 16 Jul 1999 22:52:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: Jason Goodman's message of "Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:36:49 EDT" Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 contrary to the theories I had at dinner, it looks like it really is using 31250 baud; http://fargo.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~gsmith/Pilot/PilotMidi.htm has a bunch of details and a schematic for driving Real MIDI using the pilot and an adapter board. A quick look at the schematic shows that it is only level control... Thus the question is, can you get the NeXT to actually set a tty to that baud rate (certainly try using kermit first - when I mentioned using stty, I'd forgotten that kermit itself can set a baud rate and will normally leave it set... but it may only support the "normal" unix baudrates.) Or you can try "stty 31250 < /dev/whatever". On a PC under linux, I *think* there's enough control of the multiplier register and other timing bits to do it; look at setserial, the baud_base, divisor, and spd_custom features. You might ask Ted, if you actually have a linux PC to work with; he wrote the driver... a quick look at the source wasn't that enlightening, I think I'd need the datasheet to see what is going on. As a hardware approach, a PIC chip with two lines configured as serial ports, one reading at 31250 and the other writing at something faster (57600 or 115200 both work on the free-running 4mhz version of the chip) so that there's no buffering needed. Unfortunately, this is a hardware approach. If it comes to that, I can ask my brother. [Hmm, actually one might be able to prototype this with two pilots: have one pilot in "midi monitor" mode just read the data from the other one, and then turn around and squirt it out at a baudrate the PC can handle. Problem there might be timing, if the timing is implicit instead of transmitted...]  1,, Summary-line: 18-Jul ehj99@earthlink.net #Dover Mikado available now Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15111; Sun, 18 Jul 99 01:03:30 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28073; Sun, 18 Jul 99 01:04:13 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA26775; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: ehj99@earthlink.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: E H Jones To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Dover Mikado available now Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: ehj99@earthlink.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: E H Jones To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Dover Mikado available now Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Dear Savoynet Members I've been lurking in the shadows from time to time on this forum and I must say, I really enjoy reading some of the posts, particularly the humourous ones. I announced, about a year ago that Dover would publish a new edition of the full score of The Mikado and I'm happy to announce that it is now available for purchase. There will also be a new piano/vocal score appearing this Fall, published again by Dover. A full set of engraved orchestra parts is available for rental from MMB Music. Since the piano/vocal score's release is still a few months away, bound photocopies of it will be available for rental with the orchestra parts. I am quite proud of this edition. I invested countless hours on the whole project and used my best engraving, typesetting and musical abilities to ensure that this is the best possible edition to work with both from a rehearsal/performance perspective and a musicological one. The chief editor of MMB Music, Carl Simpson, is responsible for most decisions we made in regard to the layout and format as well as the inclusion of dynamics, slurs and articulations that were needed. We were careful not to introduce any interpretative ideas of our own so that the score would be as close as possible to Sullivan's autograph. Carl proofed the score, which I engraved using the Bosworth Score, against the Gregg edition of the autograph. All of the material was carefully checked by me for wrong notes with midi playback on my computer. The score was compared with recorded performances and many of the performance traditions have been footnoted. I'm not going to claim there are no mistakes, but I believe they will be minor and few in number. I welcome any observations and remarks forum members may have. It became very obvious to me, after I began the project, that the Bosworth score didn't represent the opera as it was performed even in Gilbert and Sullivan's time. The lyrics were probably as Gilbert first presented them to Sullivan. Here is a sample of the opening chorus "If you want to know who we are" beginning with the line "If you think we are worked by strings": Polite etiquette demands That persons of either sex Shall suffer from cranny in the hands And a crick in their out-stretched necks. When suffering from constraint We're always allowed to faint. You're wrong if you think we mayn't. Oh! Oh! Musical directors will be glad to see that there are measures numbers and ample rehearsal numbers in both scores and parts. All repeats have been written out, except "Tit Willow" because it fits nicely on a two page spread and "Brightly dawns our wedding day" since many productions omit the second verse (a pity, since I consider it Sullivan's best madrigal). The love duet "Were I not to Ko-Ko plighted" is presented in its uncut version with clear indications in all material for performing the abridged version. I also included the orchestral encore for "The flowers that bloom in the Spring" which I haven't heard on a recording yet. I prepared (composed?) a new eight bar fanfare to replace the Mikado's reappearance just before the Act Two Finale. This was perhaps a rather bold decision but the traditional fanfare wasn't in the original edition and frankly, if it was actually written by Sullivan, it isn't much of a credit to him. (I hope I haven't lost any of you with that declaration). The piano part for the piano/vocal score has been completely revised. One of Savoynet's more illustrative members, Steven Lichtenstein, was extremely helpful in playing through the new piano part and offering a number of alternatives and suggestions. It is much easier to play and has more orchestral material than either the Chappell or Schirmer versions. Character names and Chorus sections appear on every system making it easier for rehearsal. Both scores have the complete libretto. There is an interesting preface and synopsis written by Carl and a list of the original cast. Dover has already notified Carl and myself that they may be interested in publishing "Pirates" and "Pinafore". I suppose it will depend on how well this edition of "Mikado" is received. At present the full score is available online both from Barnes and Noble for $16.95 (US) and for $19.95 at Pepper Music. Amazon and Borders also have it listed but Barnes and Noble are the only ones that indicate that it is available now. Both Carl and myself realize that this edition won't make everyone happy but we are both anxious to hear any feedback (positive and negative). Thank you all for bearing with my rather long plug. I was apprehensive about doing this but I was informed that shameless plugging occurs all the time on this forum. I would be glad to answer any inquiries about any of the material I have mentioned. Ephraim Hammett Jones MusicScribe ehj99@earthlink.net  1,, Summary-line: 18-Jul LSimons@mail.usa.com #Re: Dover Mikado..... and my own Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23358; Sun, 18 Jul 99 04:56:15 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10831; Sun, 18 Jul 99 04:56:58 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA02379; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <004801bed0fa$8dd4fda0$6ce431d4@lsimons> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: LSimons@mail.usa.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Larry Simons" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Dover Mikado..... and my own Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: LSimons@mail.usa.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Larry Simons" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Dover Mikado..... and my own Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 I am not going to get drawn into the debate which will doubtless now ensue about the new Dover score, editorial policies etc. However, on the question of the Fanfare: in my score I simply expanded the piano reduction to be found in the VSS for 6-part brass (that part hasn't yet been posted on the website). Yet in Ephraim's defence I may say that his action is not without precedent: in the 1992 Buxton DC production (which I have on video) that austere Company also abandoned the traditional fanfare and used what I assume was their own (unless someone knows that it is of ancient origin!!!). Finally, in response to Marc's remarks that > it is no small matter to download and print individual TIFF files..... I would suggest that they simply be imported into Word for Windows (or something similar), after which they can all be printed as a single document - even in double-sided layout if you have a printer that supports this (e.g. a Hewltt Packard DJ660C or DJ1120C), and > after which you're left with loose unbound sheets..... well this true, but I am GIVING IT AWAY FOR NOTHING! Loose sheets can easily be comb-bound, which is actually more practical for a conducting score that most other forms of binding (other than hard cover) because it can then be opened flat - essential for a conductor! And finally, there was no need for me to produce my own vocal score because I deliberately set out to make my score compatible with *existing* editions. Larry Simons  1,, Summary-line: 18-Jul oakapple@cris.com #Re: Dover Mikado..... and my own Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA00316; Sun, 18 Jul 99 09:03:36 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20610; Sun, 18 Jul 99 09:04:18 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA08839; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3791CFC6.9F2A44D2@cris.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple@cris.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Dover Mikado..... and my own Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: oakapple@cris.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Dover Mikado..... and my own Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) Larry Simons wrote: > > it is no small matter to download and print individual TIFF files..... > > I would suggest that they simply be imported into Word for Windows.... I do not want to bore the list with the technical problems that this presents, but this is precisely what I did (or, rather, ONE of several techniques that I experimented with), and *simple* it is not. > > after which you're left with loose unbound sheets..... > > well this true, but I am GIVING IT AWAY FOR NOTHING! Absolutely, and Larry gets all due credit for this. Indeed, based on what we know so far (i.e., we've no idea how many errors Larry made), if the Kalmus and Simons editions were *both* free, I'd vote for Larry's. Ephraim did a pretty good job of explaining all that is wrong with the Kalmus (i.e., Bosworth) edition. And Kalmus, by the way, is anything BUT free!! But, Helga asked why anyone would buy Dover, when they can get Larry's for free. And, my answer is that, even assuming no other differences between them, it is worth $16.95 for a text that is professionally bound and printed, and includes all the libretto. > And finally, there was no need for me to produce my own vocal score because > I deliberately set out to make my score compatible with *existing* editions. This statement presupposes that all of the "existing" editions are compatible *with each other*, and this is not the case. Mind you, this is the type of problem that G&S performers have wrestled with for years, so Larry hasn't made the problem any worse. He's just failed to make it any better. -- Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com  1,, Summary-line: 18-Jul awrobins@hotmail.com #Re: Dover Mikado available now Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10817; Sun, 18 Jul 99 12:07:35 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27268; Sun, 18 Jul 99 12:07:30 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA12900; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19990718155125.8801.qmail@hotmail.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: awrobins@hotmail.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Arthur Robinson" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Dover Mikado available now Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: awrobins@hotmail.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Arthur Robinson" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Dover Mikado available now Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum >Polite etiquette demands >That persons of either sex >Shall suffer from cranny in the hands >And a crick in their out-stretched necks. "Cranny" is a new ailment to me. What does the Inner Brotherhood recommend for it? Arthur (who has perpretrated many typos of his own on SavoyNet) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  1,, Summary-line: 18-Jul ehj99@earthlink.net #Dover Mikado: a few answers Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23845; Sun, 18 Jul 99 21:42:34 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14785; Sun, 18 Jul 99 21:42:29 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA27458; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: ehj99@earthlink.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: E H Jones To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Dover Mikado: a few answers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: ehj99@earthlink.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: E H Jones To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Dover Mikado: a few answers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Dear SavoyNet Members: Thank you for your responses to my post. I would like to clarify a few things I might have stated vaguely and answer some of your questions. A little about myself: I was a violist and pianist during my college years at Oberlin College and the San Francisco Conservatory of Music, although I never completed my studies to get a degree. As a violist I played my share of "...pahs" (as in oom pahs) in many a pit orchestra and as a pianist I had much experience as an accompanist. In the late 60s I was privileged to be involved in performances of five G&S operas with a former director of the DC (his last name was Wilson). I grew to adore the operas from these experiences and even back then I was concerned about the state of the orchestral parts which were full of wrong notes and bad page turns, and the fact that the conductors had to work from a vocal score. When I began my career as a music engraver five years ago it was already in the back of my mind to engrave some or all of the G&S operas even if I received no recompense for it. I began work on the Mikado, naively thinking that all I had to do was copy the Bosworth score and check it against the autograph. It puzzled us that the only published full score of a G&S opera was issued with such indifference. By this time, (1898) surely the copious wrong notes would have been detected and the entire score updated; but the Bosworth score was engraved from the autograph, which was evident from the cast off marks visible on the autograph pages. Carl Simpson (the other editor) and I made the decision early on to produce a performance edition of the score rather than a scholarly one, particularly in view of the fact that Broude and Oxford were planning to issue critical editions. This position does not mean that our work is unreliable, however, we just approached our task with performers rather than scholars in mind. For many of the dynamics and articulations we had to make decisions, based on our experience, on what to expand to other instruments and what to leave alone. Since it is a performance edition we added bracketed dynamics in places where they were required (when solo voices enter) but we carefully avoided (I might say we had to refrain ourselves at times) tampering with what was already written. We listened carefully to recorded performances and footnoted some of the traditions and included some of them in cue-sized notes. We decided to edit the opening flourishes to the second verse and conclusion of the Mikado's song "A More Humane Mikado" to the way they are performed today. (In the autograph the flourishes begin on the last eighth note of the measure after he sings "mer-ri-ment" instead of the third eighth note). We consulted a very early piano/vocal score published by Pond and several very early prints of the libretto but pretty much adhered to the standard text. I even checked the libretto against the one available on the G&S Archive site. One of the reasons for the year of delay from the time I announced the publication was because we kept finding things we wanted to correct, change, add and delete until we were satisfied. As for the Fanfare, I've noted that the posts that criticized us the most for replacing it, offered no really valid reasons for its inclusion other than the fact that it's traditionally there. The Fanfare I've written will not please everyone but I wonder if it musical directors will replace it with the traditional one or another original one. The preface to the new edition explains much of what I stated above. Rather than give responses as to what criteria we considered, in general, for the whole project, I would be glad to respond to questions about specific passages or issues. For those who might be interested in the tools I used to produce the score, here they are: The scores were entered and edited in Finale on a Power Macintosh computer. The music fonts used were Johannes and Frederic, which are my own creations. The font used for titles, lyrics and the libretto is Adobe Caslon. The scores were delivered to the printer in PDF format and printed on a high resolution imagesetter. Ephraim Hammett Jones MusicScribe ehj99@earthlink.net  1, forwarded,, Summary-line: 19-Jul lcash@110.net #Re: Freezer pack Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21160; Mon, 19 Jul 99 12:51:53 EDT Received: from MAILX.110.NET by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13127; Mon, 19 Jul 99 12:51:50 EDT Received: from pq1105 (host142.218.113.209.tnt-1.ne.110.net [209.113.218.142]) by mailx.110.net (8.9.2/8.8.8/BiteMe+ReversePoisonSpam) with SMTP id MAA03020 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:41:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louise Cash" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Freezer pack Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:39:32 -0400 Message-Id: <01bed20d$a91228e0$8eda71d1@pq1105> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 *** EOOH *** From: "Louise Cash" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: Freezer pack Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:39:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hi Dave! Sorry about the freezer pack! I can't recall the last time I used the thing, and it's no big deal. If you guys want to keep it.........fine.........otherwise just toss it out. As it turns out, we have to go to dinner with people who have been asking us to go for about three months (you can tell we're real anxious), and then take them to see Rebecca Remis' poor grandfather who's still in rehab after his car accident (4 months)! So we couldn't hook up with Ruth anyway. Talk to you soon, and thanks for yesterday. It went great! Louise -----Original Message----- From: David C. Jedlinsky To: Louise Cash Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 11:09 AM Subject: Freezer pack > >Hi Louise. > >You left your freezer pack in our freezer. Ruth has it in her trunk, >and she'll be in Cambridge tonight to go to Mary Chung's for dinner. >If you'd like to try to get it from her, you can call her at work at >(617) 229-9111. > >-Dave >  1,, Summary-line: 19-Jul jmfarron@vais.net #G&S Library Available Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02728; Mon, 19 Jul 99 19:01:50 EDT Received: from Saturn.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12125; Mon, 19 Jul 99 19:01:46 EDT Received: from Saturn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.Bridgewater.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01927; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990719185206.00866630@mail.vais.net> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: jmfarron@vais.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jim Farron To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: G&S Library Available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: jmfarron@vais.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jim Farron To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: G&S Library Available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) >Return-Path: >From: MahlerII@aol.com >Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:57:32 EDT >Subject: Hello! >To: jmfarron@vais.net > >Hello! John Toy, a renowned circus clown died a few years ago. He collected a >vast amount of scores, books and recordings of Gilbert and Sullivan. It is >looking for a home. The purpose would be perhaps a library who could start a >collection, or a performing arts organization needing a library. Could you >forward this to any appropriate parties? This material has been lying dormant >for awhile and needs a home. Selling parts of the collection to private >individuals is not an option. Please let me know. >Thanks >Darin Tysdal > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Farron, Springfield, VA Gilbert and Sullivan Archive == http://diamond.idbsu.edu/GaS/GaS.html U. S. Office of Personnel Management == http://www.opm.gov Washington Area Butterfly Club = http://www.vais.net/butterfly -----------------------------------------------------------------------  1,, Summary-line: 20-Jul LISTSERV@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU #FERRET-L Digest - 19 Jul 1999 to 20 Jul 1999 (#1999-2747) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19460; Tue, 20 Jul 99 02:03:16 EDT Received: from listserv.cuny.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17430; Tue, 20 Jul 99 02:03:07 EDT Message-Id: <9907200603.AA17430@MIT.EDU> Received: from listserv (listserv.cuny.edu) by listserv.cuny.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <3.FFBA99E7@listserv.cuny.edu>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 2:07:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:00:00 -0400 Reply-To: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu Sender: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu From: Automatic digest processor Subject: FERRET-L Digest - 19 Jul 1999 to 20 Jul 1999 (#1999-2747) To: Recipients of FERRET-L digests *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:00:00 -0400 Reply-To: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu Sender: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu From: Automatic digest processor Subject: FERRET-L Digest - 19 Jul 1999 to 20 Jul 1999 (#1999-2747) To: Recipients of FERRET-L digests There are 44 messages totalling 1961 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Please Help Refute DFG Lies 2. NYC Ferret Page- repost + additional info 3. REUNITED IN PORTLAND, OR 4. Volunteers 5. A tribute to Tosha... 6. Sweet Pea, Our Heartbreak, and Our Thanks........ 7. The loss of Esperanza 8. Feeling terrible about Esperanza 9. Worried Ferret Mom 10. Help with right adrenalectomy 11. Juvinille Lymphoma 12. Parvo in ferrets? 13. swollen nipples 14. Little Scabs 15. Pepe's PeePee Problem 16. Terminology 17. Aleutian Disease warning for Wessex & southern England 18. eating scented vaseline 19. veterinary care 20. Molly's surgery and stuffed ferret toy 21. LA vet; misc thanks 22. S.C. Ferrets 23. New cat food... 24. We're off to see the Wizard of Oz 25. "The Great Gravy Adventure" or "Curse You Bob Church" 26. zen's replies on pre-heat spays and free spoken pies 27. Possible fund raiser for North West Ferret Association. Splat! Splat! 28. Ferret Extravaganza '99 deadline is approaching 29. Syracuse, NY Club 30. Thanks for all for the Vancouver Vet referrals 31. Breeding Ferrets - Part 2 [and 3] 32. Legal in Arizona 33. Ferret Maths Strikes 34. Lesson 22: Do not pull when ferret attached 35. litter training standards 36. Hygiene 37. We need more names! 38. Hooked on Ferrets! 39. Ferret Ferry to Ottawa, Ontario 40. Ontario Ferret and Child Case 41. Adoption, Ferret Attack, Happy Ending 42. Absolute Fixation on One Aspect of Ferret Behavior. 43. Bobbie C (Ruprecht Kirche) jumps in with both feet out flushes a torrent of . . . well? 44. blinded by emotion The Ferret Mailing List Issue number: 2747 Date: 20 Jul 1999 Circulation: 3044 Moderator: Bill Gruber Messages pertaining to the FML should be sent to: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu <-- articles to be posted. ferret-anon@cunyvm.cuny.edu <-- articles to be posted anonymously. ferret-request@cunyvm.cuny.edu <-- to unsubscribe, problems etc. * To receive a copy of the FML FAQ (last updated 02/01/98), which discusses the FML in far greater detail, send mail to listserv@cunyvm.cuny.edu with "SEND FML FAQ" as a single line in the mail (don't use the quotes). * To get the Ferret Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), full of information and advice about ferrets, use "SEND ANSWERS PACKAGE FERRET". PLEASE read the FAQ before you send non-emergency postings to the list!!! * Use "SEND FERRET nnnn" to get backissues of this newsletter. * Searchable archives: Except where clearly indicated by Moderator's notes, all articles posted in this forum appear exactly as written by their authors. They may have been reformatted without wording changes. The accuracy, or lack of accuracy, of any post is the responsibility of the post's author. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:40:31 EDT From: Ferretnews@AOL.COM Subject: Please Help Refute DFG Lies Hello ferret experts on the FML, The California Department of Fish and Game and one wildlife biologist with nothing else to do (who spends most of his time fighting the ferret legalization effort) has put up a ferret misinformation page. I perused the page just before our last committee hearing and I told the author of our bill about the incredible lies and misinformation there. To give him (and you) one example, under "Threat to Poultry", one of the references is to a1950's book which pretty much has an anecdotal reference to the fact that it wouldn't be a good idea to have a ferret in a hen house. No studies, no facts, just anecdotes. Another reference is to a book by an English ferreter who recommended feeding ferrets poultry including male chicks. That's the threat to poultry!!! Human picks up chick and hands it to caged ferret. Literally you have to see this page to believe it. Nowhere on this misinformation page are the letters from the two Californina poultry associations stating that they have no opposition to ferret legalization. Nowhere on the page are letters we received from poultry associations outside California stating that ferrets were not a threat to poultry. Well, that got the author a tad bit angry and I've been asked to find other lies on the webpage. Problem is, I'm swamped!!! I'm going to be short staffed for the next month which is going to make it especially hard for me. I also have to fly to New York for a photo shoot which we normally do in LA (two days of my time instead of 4) at the end of this week and next weekend I'll be working with my volunteers to send out the largest mailing (by almost 2 times) that we've ever done in the six year history of CFL. And I need to get back to our author in the next 10 days or so! I've got one super expert, Bob Church, who has promised to look at the page and find the lies but it's a pretty big page with lots of links and I'm forgot to tell him that this is a little time sensitive. (Bob, if you're there, let me know if you can help out before the end of this month). Then I got to thinking. There are so many of you out there who are really well read on ferrets that I am hoping you will take some time to review thepage and let me know about the lies and misinformation. One person suggested dividing up the page and I'm happy to do that but I need to know who will spend a little time researching the page for me. I'll check all the lies out in the end, but it would save some time if others could do the initial search of the page. The address is: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/hcpb/ferret_issues.html I warn you, you might want to take a swig of Pepto before reading this ridiculous piece of work that is really an ode to the irrational hatred of this tiny little animal by a state agency. It will make you sick. Please e-mail me if you can help and want to look only at a section of the page. That way, I'll divide it up so the work isn't duplicated. If you want to persue the whole thing, fine with me. Please make a list of the stuff that you find, I will locate in and write it up for the author. Thanks in advance for your help, I really appreciate it. Jeanne Carley Founder Californians for Ferret Legalization http://www.ferretnews.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:30:34 EDT From: " " Subject: NYC Ferret Page- repost + additional info Hello everyone, First off - I want to thank everyone for their letters of support for the site. Like I said on the site, ferret owners rule!! The site has grown tremendously in the past coulple weeks so I hope people check back often. I have started a mailing list for news and info regarding the recent ban and if anyone wants to subscribe just send email to NYCFerrets@aol.com - type subscribe in the subject or body of the letter. I will most likely be posting a petition soon that can be printed out and New Yorkers can get signatures on their own if they choose to help. More info about it will be posted on the site soon. http://members.aol.com/nycferrets Thanks again fuzzy lovers!! Lori and the Fuzzbutts - Diesel, Chelsea, Lucy, Puddin', Twinkie, and Ralphie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:12:21 EDT From: Kevin Bonner Subject: REUNITED IN PORTLAND, OR Hi and Dooka-dook to all the furkids!! Just wanted to drop a line to let all know that the foundling fert had been reunited with his lost hoomans. I received a call tonight from a man who supervised a Care Home for disabled persons. He described the fert to a "t". The home was only around the corner from where the fert was found. He said another caretaker thought the fert (BANDIT) was in his cage and opened a sliding door. Seems Bandit snuck out last Thursday night. The man said he gave up hope of finding him until someone mentioned that ANOTHER person in the area had lost a fert. When he asked, the person said there was a poster with a picture on it at the corner. The owner looked, and sure enough - it was HIS kid. . The owner was still able to identify markings that were not shown on the photo I drove the little guy to the address and was invited in. Bandit bounded from the carrier and ran around the room <"Gotta check my hidey-holes!!!>. He then ran over to say "Hey! I'm back" to the residents. He then shot over into his cage, scarfed down some food, and dove into his blankie. I laughed as he poked his head out as if saying, "There's NO place like home!!!!! ". Well, it seems he is very well cared for, and loved. He sure loved the fact that he was back home with his family. And his family was sure glad to have him back. And afraid enough of losing him again to take my recommendation of a collar and tag seriously (hope so at least!). Kevin B and the Way Kewl Critter Crew Featuring the ~~~Terrific~~~Tumultous~~~Twelve~~~ ~Furrice~Simon~Lacey~Hershey~Sprite~Socks~Cuddles~Java~Rascal (formerly Caesar)~Miss Priss (formerly Pimp)~Cinna~Racer~ BANDIT HAS NOW LEFT THE BUILDING - - - BANDIT HAS NOW LEFT THE BUILDING Guest STAR - ~Fur-Angel Lady~ Cast Appearance by - Geordi the Min-Pin Missing our friends - Kimo the Sumo Cat (and Honorary Fert), Jada the Min-Pin, and fellow ferts ~Petey~, ~Nibbler~, ~Max~, and ~Romeo~ Saying "Hey!" to ~Pandora~, ~Noser~ and the rest of the Tennessee Brat Pack !! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:31:21 -0500 From: Troy Lynn Eckart Subject: Volunteers Calling all volunteers that want to come cuddle and play with ferrets. Yep, that's what I need my volunteers to do. I'll do the 'dirty' work because quite frankly I wouldn't want anyone else to do it. I will ask that if you see an accident, please grab the tissue and wipe it up and toss in the trash. That's it. Oh and you might want to hold a special ferret while they eat from the saucer of recipe you hold in your other hand. And if you come by once a month on a special day you can help trim nails, clean ears and apply advantage. Now that's work! ;-) Seriously folks, cuddle and play rank right up there with cleaning litter boxes, cages, bowls, etc. All are necessary EVERY DAY tasks. Hugs to all. tle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:41:48 PDT From: Jennifer Gall Subject: A tribute to Tosha... Tonight, Tosha passed away quietly in her sleep. She lost a short, but hard fought battle with heart disease. Tosha was one of the sweetest, mischievous souls I've ever known. When my husband and I went to the ferret shelter, the minute I laid my eyes on her I knew she was the one. The one who showed us that "ferret-proofing" was a futile exercise with her around. The one who showed us that all fruit in the house needed her personal taste test first. The one who showed the rest of the business how to work together as team for the choicest scams (aka mom's purse, lunch bag and the christmas candy). Tosha had the smartest brain hidden under a petite little face that had "who, me?" written all over it. She loved her polar fleece jingle balls and would run them from hidey hole to hidey hole all over the apartment. She tipped every cup of kool aid and pop within her reach, happily licking up all she could while we tried to clean up the mess. No room was safe from her curious little nose and lightning fast body. No barrier to high to climb, no distance to far to jump. She was the one everyone picked up first. The cute little sable with the distinct mask and the long tail. Tosha wasn't a cuddler, but always let you know you were loved. I swear, she knew what you were thinking when she looked at you. She was my muse, our little troublemaker, our little girl. Miss Tosh ... we love & miss you more than words can say. Jennifer & Adam Roxy, Mac & Spencer P.S. "Not Wild, Just Crazy" will continue unchanged. Tosha enjoyed the fact she was the star and loved making people laugh. The strip will go on in memory of her. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:23:50 -0500 From: Michelle Subject: Sweet Pea, Our Heartbreak, and Our Thanks........ I would like to start off this letter by saying thank you to everyone out there who has sent us letters, cards, and many sincere words. It has been a rough week for us and we are feeling a little better now. Sweet Pea is still fresh in our minds and Krysta and I both look out the window everyday at her headstone and tell her that we love her. When we go out to get into the car to leave Krysta always shouts across the yard to her and tells her sweet things upon getting into the car. Sweet Pea is dearly loved and missed by us and we hope that she is in a better place finding lots of happiness with all the other lost ferrets out there. Thank you all for your kind words and strong support during one of our hardest times yet. We hope and pray that it is a long time coming before we ever lose another one of our beloved little fuzzbutts. We have received tons of letters, cards, and touching stories from so many people this week. You guys are all so kind to us. Now, I can see just how many people are really out there that share the kind of love that we all have for the ferrets. :) Makes me very happy. The first few days I blamed myself and I felt so guilty. I kept thinking that if I had only known that Sweet Pea was going to die in surgery then I would have refused the surgery and she may have been with us for several more weeks or months. I could have then been kissing her today and right now. That would make me happy. I knew deep down though that without the surgery she would have automatically died eventually anyway. I just felt so bad because her death during surgery was not even a factor on my mind that day. We just told her goodbye like we always did when we left the house to go shopping or something. Just like it was no big deal. That I think is what made me the saddest. I felt like I should have gave her a big goodbye and a million kisses just in case she didn't make it. I wasn't even thinking that way at the time. Dummy me. :( I was even dense enough to be looking forward to her surgery day for days because I knew that she would recover soon after and then I could let her celebrate with a big ferret play party with all the other crazy ferts here. Things never seem to happen the way I plan them. Anyway, we do feel better here today thanks to all of you great people out there that cared and sent us so many wise words. Thanks again. Dooks, hugs, kisses, and love to all of you and yours. Many sweet thoughts to all of the sweet ferrets who have already passed on and lots of kisses to the sick and dying. Michelle & The Big Turd Herd (missing and loving Sweet Pea) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:22:33 -0400 From: Bobbi Hunsaker Subject: The loss of Esperanza I too was suffering terribly from an accident on Mother's Day. My very special Eddie was killed.....by me! I had all my fuzzies out (all 10 of them). When I let Eddie out, I snatched him up and started kissing him and tickling him, (as I did so many times before, he was irresistible) I said in his ear "do you know how much I love you? don't tell the others but you're my favorite." Then I let him go and watched him war dance away. I was cleaning the litter pan when I heard one of my females screaming. She was under the couch which lays flush again the carpet. I just recently removed the liner so I could get to them in case of an emergency. I lifted up the couch, swooped Powder, who had Tiki by the top of the head out from under the couch. I looked to make sure the "coast was clear" and started to lower the couch. Just before I got it set down, Powder jetted back under. Being afraid I would accidentally set the couch on him, I lifted it back up briefly, swooping him out again and dropped the couch quickly so he couldn't get back under. This time I didn't look. In that split second, my Eddie was on the other end of the couch and had started to go under. I dropped the couch on him, crushing him. I gave him mouth to mouth for about 15 minutes until my husband made me stop. I knew he was gone but I just didn't want to believe it. The guilt was overwhelming. The what if's drove me mad. All of my ferret-friends helped me through. I know it was an accident and eventually you too will come to cope with your loss. No one wants to put their fuzzies to sleep if there is a chance for survival. But there is no full proof way of knowing when that time is, it's just a gut feeling I think. You did what you knew (at the time) to do. You know you would never do anything to hurt your fuzzy. You will be o.k. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:21:34 -0400 From: Kim Burkard Subject: Re: Feeling terrible about Esperanza >asn't even there because the vet wouldn't let me stay. I would never do >anything to hurt my baby and I feel so horrible that I didn't put her to >sleep. I thought that she still had a chance and I was very wrong. I >feel so deeply sad and guilty about it. If you have any words of wisdom >that might help, I would sure appreciate it. Thanks. Did Esperanza suffer? Perhaps. Is that your fault? No. You gave her every chance to live because you loved her and you know what tough little fighters ferrets are. You did what you thought was best. That's all anyone can ever do. And that's all that counts. Our oldest ferret, Squirt, has insulinoma pretty bad. We've done it all - surgery, medicine, and feedings (forced), but nothing has substantially increased the quality of his life for very long. And at what point do efforts to keep him alive become an injustice to him? I have no idea. At what point is it kinder to let him go quietly? No clue there either. Sometimes the animal lets you know, sometimes they don't. Either way, whatever decision we eventually make with Squirt will be frought with the same guilt and doubt you now have. Please take comfort in the fact that you are not alone. -kim Kimberly Burkard | _ Everything I needed to know in life, Eastman Kodak Company| _____C .._. I learned from my ferret: Rochester, New York | ____/ \___/ Frolic and dance for joy often, have burkard@kodak.com |<____/\_---\_\ no fear or worries, and enjoy life. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:27:45 EDT From: Weaselpals@AOL.COM Subject: Worried Ferret Mom Hello there, My Ferret's name is Chester, he is four years old. Chester is my very first ferret. Chester is scheduled for Adrenal Surgery on Thursday the 22 nd. As the day gets closer, I sleep less and less. I have a good ferret vet. I am just afraid that his body/system might shut down. Please pray for him and keep him in your thoughts on this day !! Ada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 04:02:11 +0000 From: Linda.Doran@ATT.NET Subject: Help with right adrenalectomy First, I want to thank everyone who has sent letters of encouragement regarding my loss of Esperanza, who will always be very dear to me and have a special place in my heart. I am in the process of thanking everyone individually as well. Now I need help locating a vet who has experience with right adrenalectomies. Lucky Charm's left adrenal was removed earlier this year. Her vulva continues to swell -- now the tissue above it is actually hard to the touch -- and it's irritating to her and continues to produce a discharge. This is in addition to her hair not growing back. My current has done four adrenalectomies but he regards them as very dangerous and would rather not do it. He would rather let the cancer progress as long as she's not losing weight or muscle mass, but I'm not so sure it's a good idea to wait until she's in a weakened state to do something about it. He measured her vulva and wants to measure it again in two weeks, which is fine but I'm not convinced based on reading material by Dr. Williams and others on the Web that we couldn't be doing more. It turns out he also has a family member who has cancer and he may not be feeling that confident right now. My other vet, who is probably one of the most experienced vets in the city and certainly one of the best, has never done an adrenalectomy. I'm willing to drive a long way to get Lucky Charm looked at and operated on if necessary. Maybe even to see Dr. Weiss or Dr. Kawasaki. And that's a long way from New Mexico. Please let me know if you can recommend anybody. At the very least, I would like a second opinion. I would also be interested in hearing from people whose ferrets have undergone right adrenalectomies. Thanks. Linda and Lucky Charm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:50:46 -0400 From: "Paula M. Webb" Subject: Juvinille Lymphoma My 6 month old, deaf, female, blaze, from Marshall Farms was diagnosed with juvenille lymphoma today. The signs were white nose, gums and pads; she was also very lothargic. I brought her to the vets and they did blood work on her and it showed definite signs of the disease. Everything I have read points to a fast moving disease that will kill her quickly. If anyone has any info on this would you please send it to me. I am very desperate and very scared to lose my little Sassy. She is at the vets overnight tonight where they are giving her sub Q fluids and have started her on prednisone to see if her blood reacts positively to the medication. I don't know what to do. Should I put her down so that she won't have to suffer? If I bring her home will she be ok for a while or will I know when she is in pain? They act so normal and then boom it hits. I just don't want her to suffer. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Paula and the crew of four waiting for the fifth to come home. Paula M. Webb Webbs@shore.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/1223/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:55:39 -0400 From: Lynn Siegel Subject: Parvo in ferrets? My daughter's fiance's, mother has 10 fuzz butts. She doesn't have a computer so has asked me to post this. Last year her ferrets started getting sick. Symptoms were: They first seemed to have a sore throat, so didn't want to eat. They had green, bad smelling diarrhea, vomiting, & lack of appetite. She lost 3 of then & before they died they passed blood. Her vet said it was Parvo. There is a Parvo scare in a county near us now & she is very worried that someone will bring it in her house & her ferrets will get it again. She said she fought it with medicine & around the clock care for about 3 months. Personally I didn't know ferrets could get Paro & I thought that dogs that got it & survived were immune to it after that. She went to her vet today to ask if anyone has come up with a vaccine for ferrets yet. If anyone has heard of ferrets getting Parvo before could you please either email me or post it for others to see. She is deathly afraid of anyone bringing it into the house on their shoes. And a neighbor that has a outside cat, she won't even let touch her ferrets. I didn't think cats could get Parvo either, but then there is a lot I don't know. I told her you what a great group of people you all were. Thanks in advance. Lynn & the 8 Sneaky Fur Suited Snakes: Rosie, Blossom, George, QT, Sadie, Cocoa, Caffie & Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:01:49 -0400 From: Alicia Subject: Re: swollen nipples Hello Adrienne, you wrote: >From: Adrienne Boerger >Subject: Help! Swollen Nipples >My one year old ferret, Misty has swollen nipples. They are enlarged and >protruding and a little crusty. She is acting fine... >I will probably take her to the vet this week but if anyone has any ideas >as to whether this is a serious problem or not, please e-mail me directly. Is your ferret spayed? You did not state as to whether she has already been neutered. I would suspect a hormonal problem associated with estrus ort a related problem due to adrenal conditions. Though the vulva is not enlarged-- it is possible for a ferret to be in estrus without and enlarged, protruding vulva-- there are some ferrets who have what is termed an inverted vulva-- we have seen one just this way at the shelter. By the time anyone knew what was wrong she had lost hair on the haunches similar to adrenal disease. She was then cycled out of estrus with an injection, spayed and now is happy and healthy. Certainly get her to the vets ASAP-- I would also suggest a blood count to assure that aplastic anemia has not set in! best wishes-- alicia for the many faces at Ferret Wise http://www.darmouth.edu/~crassi/index.html our web catalog page at: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~crassi/funalia.html and at http://www.iGive.com/html/ssi.cfm?cid=1890&mid=9535 Where Ferret Wise will receive $2.00 for every new person who signs on, and its totally free ( just takes a few minutes of your time) to help. Thank you from all the ferrets. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:01:45 -0400 From: Carrie Duc Subject: Little Scabs Hi all. We recently rescued a 1 year old black eyed white male ferret fixed and deglanned. He's adorable and so sweet. But, we've noticed that he seems to get (2 now) small oval scabs on his body. They heal and fall off, but what could be causing them. He's in a cage alone and we've checked it for rough spots, can't find any. Any suggestions? He's long and slim in shape. He seems healthy. Carrie at cduc@sprint.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:11:21 GMT From: Stephanie Daniels Subject: Pepe's PeePee Problem Well, I want to give a big thanks for all the responses to Pepe's bloody belly button. I tried Panalog(twice daily since Sat.) and it still looks red. Called a vet and they said he may need Oral antibiotics. My wheels started turning and I remembered Pepe had gotten a hold of a wet sponge (that I cleaned the tub with) and I am sure it had remnants of COMET cleanser in it. UGH...ferret paranoia. This new vet was recommended by an animal hospital that treats ferrets, but their ferret Doc is out of town. Anyone in Maryland heard of Dr. Weist- Patuxent Valley Animal hospital(laurel, MD)?? Please let me know. Last of all...Chimi and Pepe would like to mention that they have lost their most intriguing friend "Goldie" this weekend. He was always excited to see them when they would run like heck to his aquarium when they escaped into Ferret free zone. He was 11 years old, a county fair prize goldfish... lived longer than most ferrets. Thanks for the help, Stephanie, Chimi (He taught me how to fish) & Pepe (He taught me how to swim) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:19:53 GMT From: Stephanie Daniels Subject: Terminology And another thing- How do you refer to the ferret's "belly-button". I told the receptionist at my old vet's office "Pepe is bleeding in the area around his Penis" she says, "His What??" and I said "PENIS" of course I am at work...is it not referred to as a penis??? Should I say his weewee?? His neutered nub?? His pee-pee hole?? His j-bone joy?? jeesh. Is there another word for it in Anatomy terminology?? I didn't think it was genitals...and I didn't want to say "belly-button" because I knew she would say- "ferrets don't have belly-buttons". I should have said: "My pet ferret Pepe's belly button is bleeding and I am afraid it has created a hole to his bladder because pee comes out there too." Well, I am glad everyone at work is aware my ferret has a penile dysfunction now... -Stephanie, Chimi and Pepe (blushing) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:44:31 +0100 From: Anonymous Poster Subject: Re: Aleutian Disease warning for Wessex & southern England >From: Urban Fredriksson >>AD can be carried and passed on by a ferret which does not develop the >>disease. >Not at all? All I has heard is that it can take up to one year. Aleutian Disease virus (ADV) is a parvovirus and is known to cause a persistent viraemia in ferrets. Some infected ferrets develop signs of clinical illness such as degrees of ataxia or paralysis, weight loss, respiratory symptoms, sudden death. Transmission is both vertical (trans-placental) and horizontal (saliva, blood, urine, faeces and aerosol droplets through the lungs). Ferrets giving a positive CIEP test should be regarded as potentially infective to other ferrets, but will not necessarily develop symptoms of illness themselves. >>The only way to be sure that an AD positive ferret does not pass on the >>disease is to cull it. >Does it seem in practice like you also have to keep people who've been in >contact with them away from other ferrets in order to prevent spreading >the disease? See above about transmission of the disease. >Numbers (relative or absolute) of ferrets in England who've gotten >infected? 1990 - 10.6% of ferrets tested were positive 1991 - 6.0% 1992 - 2.5% 1993 - 11.5% 1994 - 14.0% 1995 - 20.0% 1996 - 20.0% 1997 - 10.0% [BT] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:50:34 -0500 From: Mark Weinstock Subject: Re: eating scented vaseline Disclaimer: I am not a vet, nor do I play one on TV. All sentences should be presumed to begin with "I'd think..." or "I believe" where applicable. With respect to ferts eating scented vaseline... First, I'd be sure that it is alcohol. Other chemicals could be used as a base for the scent. Second, keep in mind that bitter apple is essentially 5% isopropyl alcohol (IIRC). I can't imagine that someone designed for use with animals would contain something harmful to them. Third, consider that even if the scent is based on alcohol, the amount of alcohol is likely to be minimal. Now, if your fert got into some perfume or cologne... (you'd probably have a pretty good smelling fert ;-) Mark, Robin & Mutley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:25:36 -0400 From: Steve and Diane Subject: veterinary care Hello I am relatively new to fml but I must say I enjoy most of the postings and have learned alot being a new ferret owner. I have a question regarding veterinarians in my area that treat our little fuzzies. I live in Wilkes-Barre, Pa. and I would appreciate any help I could get in finding a ferret friendly vet. Thank you, Diane and Wiggles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:58:36 -0700 From: Donald Dittman Subject: Molly's surgery and stuffed ferret toy Hi everyone, I hope that you'll all send prayers or good thoughts whatever Molly's way on Thursday. She's the little stray I called about that the people who found her had been feeding carrots and grapes. She is going in for an exploratory. Either she is unspayed or has an adrenal tumor. Either way the dr. tells me her chances are not good. Her heart is very slow and she is not in the best of health. I needed longer to fatten her up but the dr. tells me we can't wait any longer. Molly is a real sweetheart and obviously did not have a good life before. She doesn't know about litter boxes, good food, plastic bags, ferretone, or any of the other obvious ferret pleasures. My others have all adopted her and love her. They've even shared their sleep sacks (thanks again Moxie) and they are very protective of them ordinarily. I hope so much that this is a success and she can have long years of roaming the house and learning all the things I thought ferrets just knew by instinct. Also a friend got me the cutest stuffed animal. It's made by Douglas toys under the National Wildlife Fed. Ranger Rick division and is a black footed ferret. It's just beautiful and about life sized. Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:57:31 -0700 From: lil_o@EARTHLINK.NET Subject: LA vet; misc thanks Hi. I usually mail directly (explains why it takes hours for me to get through each FML), but the post I'd like to respond to is anonymous. I have a wonderful vet in the LA area. Please mail me directly, and I'll give you the low down. : - ) Since I'm here..... My heart goes out to the fuzzies and their caregivers for their losses. I am a mess after I read each post. My coworker has told me I am forbidden to read at work 'cause I'm sitting at my desk in tears. Yes, you bond to your critters. Why would you have a pet if you didn't? They have such a piece of my heart it hurts sometimes. They have to tolerate my seeking them out to play & cuddle! Thank you to all those who take the time and energy to post. I have learned so much, and made a friend on another coast (Hi Dawn). Plus it's nice to know I'm not really the only "crazy ferret lady" as my boyfriend so affectionately calls me. To the shelters, vets, volunteers, and those working on a political level for the ferts: you guys are extraordinary. I don't know how you do it, but I am thankful for it. As for certain posts that get under our skin? I'll give the advice I try (try mind you) to take. Don't read them. You know the posts I speak of. I am sure no malice isn't intended, just one in every crowd. Also I'd like to welcome Henry to our home. I adopted him from a good home that rescued him about 1 1/2 years ago from a parking lot. I took him to his first vet appointment last week. His previous owners were scared to take him due to the legal factor. He is about 3 years old, and is slowly getting used Ottis (just over a year), Marty (the cat), and I. Henry suits his new name with a shy manner and sweet soulful attitude. The vet did find the glands under his back legs to be larger than normal, but we're still testing. I have hope. And bags under my eyes. And frayed nerves. And this odd twitch.... Thanks for listening/reading. Kisses to the fuzzies, Alissa & Ottis (what? who me? do i look like i'd do a thing like that?) & Henry (could you move a little slower? you're freaking me out over here.) & Marty (you did what? brought another one home? what, are you nuts?!!?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:09:44 -0400 From: Anonymous Poster Subject: S.C. Ferrets Last year I was given a sweet 6 year old little girl sable named Lucy that was in need of a home. She now runs our house, including my husband and myself. Question. Are there any clubs, shelters, etc. in S.C.? Does anyone know about the laws on ferrets in S.C.? We would like to adopt another older ferret. Are there any adoption centers? We live in the western part of the state on Lake Hartwell. Does anyone know of a good ferret vet in the area? We are now using a great vet, but not an expert on ferrets. Thanks Alice. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:54:03 -0400 From: Natalie Binder Subject: New cat food... Hello ferrets and ferret folk! For those of you who have truly long-range memories, you know that I dropped out of sight for a while, due to a recent move and a long time settiling in. But,like all good things, (and bad things too), this had to come to an end, eventually. I'm baaack! Anyway, I know how everyone feels about feeding their babies cat food, even the nice stuff like Science Diet. Don't get me wrong- I prefer good quality ferrret food over your average cat food (I hate fish) any day. But I was thinking you guys might want to check out this new Science Diet anti-hairball stuff. I don't have the nutritional stats yet, but IMO and anti-hairball food seems like a pretty good deal, especially for furts. Anybody have more in-depth info? Opinions? -Ret ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:53:32 -0400 From: pat andrews Subject: We're off to see the Wizard of Oz Saturday I attended a clean-up day at the local ferret shelter (PFRA) and had my heart stolen by a young (approx. 1 year old) cinnamon male named Ozzie. I felt kind of guilty taking him because there was a ten year-old girl working that loved him, too, but you all know how love is... Was it deja vu that I had ordered a new litter pan the week before? Hmmm. When I got him home I put his carrier down on the floor and started to decorate his cage. While I was busy doing this I watched Shiloh and Amadeus trying to get at their new brother...and was amazed when I saw him walking across the floor with Shiloh hissing at his shoulder. Then, suddenly, Shiloh leapt on Ozzie's back and wrestled him down. The noise escalated to barking and loud hissing. No poop or blood flew, but I still broke it up quickly because it's too hot to allow something like that go on too long in 80+ heat. After separating them and caging them appropriately I looked at the carrier and discovered that Shiloh and Amadeus had managed to throw the latch at the bottom of the carrier! I couldn't believe it. I could, however, believe that a ferret could slip out of the carrier w/ only the bottom latch disengaged. I tried again this morning with liberal doses of ferretone on everyone's necks. If anything, it was worse. After only a couple of minutes I found Ozzie curled up on a sleep sack panting. I picked him up and put him and a wrapped iced bottle on my lap to cool him off. That didn't last too long before Amadeus started leaping up onto my lap again and again. I put Ozzie in Shiloh and Amadeus's cage this morning and put them in his. Let's hope this help w/ adjustment. I'll probably do this for the days leading up to the Warm Fuzzie show..and when Shiloh and Amadeus get back from the show I'll start working on introductions in earnest. My new boy is wonderful, thanks, C&T for allowing me to adopt him. I promise to take good care of him and love him until the day I die. Pat Tess (Who is this guy and why is he stalking me?) Shiloh (Let me at him, I'll show him I'm queen!) Amadeus (Well, if the queen says he's gotta' go, that's good enough for me1) Pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:51:12 -0500 From: Limejello Subject: "The Great Gravy Adventure" or "Curse You Bob Church" [Posted in 2 parts -- combined. BIG] I know what you're asking yourselves. What kind of post deserves a Bullwinkle-style title? (Hey, Rocky, watch me pull some gravy out of my hat) Well read on and become enlightened. It all started when I decided to try my hand at a batch of the now famous Chicken Gravy provided to us by the illustrious Bob Church. After reading the numerous accolades posted on the FML by seemingly competent FML'rs and possessing a strong desire to do what's best for those spoiled-rotten, manipulative, mind-controlling little furrbrats I call my ferrets, I had a high confidence level that I could accomplish this task. The fact that I can't come within 50 feet of a kitchen without starting at least a small grease fire did not dissuade me in the least. So I set about this little project with an optimism not usually found in an owner of these little poop factories. Little did I know this undertaking would result in a disaster rivalled only by the sinking of the Titanic, only without the iceberg...or the ocean...or the ship...or Leonardo...okay, so maybe it wasn't that bad. But it was at least as bad as the events precipitating and immediately following the situation that occurs when you get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom and stub your pinky toe on the coffee table, especially when the coffee table is not on your way to the bathroom. I think the whole think went wrong right at the beginning, somewhere right around the time I decided to take a few shortcuts. Since this seems to be the case with so many other of my little projects, I've decided I need to review the timing of my shortcuts. I figure I need to start taking my shortcuts either sooner or later in the process, so as not to coincide with the time that things begin to go wrong. Anyway, I digress. This particular shortcut began as I was reading the ingredients of this concoction. Right away I noticed that two of the ingredients came directly from chickens: obviously the chicken, and just as obviously the eggshells. Whereupon I came up with the brilliant idea, for the sake saving a wee bit of effort, to take a jaunt down to the nearest chicken ranch (get your minds out of the gutter, I live in Washington, not Nevada) and pick up a chicken that was about to lay eggs, thereby killing two birds with one stone, no pun intended. I would then have two of the ingredients conveniently contained in the same feathery bag of skin. I even toyed with the idea of first force-feeding the chicken the other ingredients in the formula, but since my goal was to save time and effort, I decided not to go for the advanced degree in chicken wrestling. Perhaps one of the biggest mistakes I made during this little adventure was deciding to do some midnight shopping with a five-finger discount for this chicken. It wasn't because I have a predisposition towards larceny nor was it a desire to save money. I merely figured that my thieving ferrets would prefer the taste of a purloined chicken over that of a legitimately purchased one. Let me tell you, I highly recommend against this course of action. I found that chicken farmers become quite testy when they discover a figure in black exiting the coop at a high rate of speed, with squawking chicken in hand. I also found that rock salt stings like you wouldn't believe and is very detrimental the health of one's backside. It was quite a feat driving home with my ill-gotten gain in the trunk while driving in a standing position. I'm glad my Bug has a sunroof. Upon returning home, and after applying a liberal dose of ice to my distressed derriere, I set about the dirty deed of butchering the dread beast. I didn't think it would be a big deal. As a youth, I used to hunt prairie chickens on the plains of Eastern Montana and I figured a chicken was a chicken. However, there was one fact that I had not anticipated. Domesticated chickens, due to their close proximity to man, have learned to understand Human language. You see, up to this point, the chicken had been relatively calm, although it was understandably perturbed at first, being brought out of deep sleep and shoved into the trunk of a Bug. But once I got the fowl home, it settled down and seemed quite at home on my kitchen counter. It even tried to make friends with an oven mitt which was ingeniously designed to look like a chicken. But when I pulled out the butcher knife and said, "Now it's time to make you into ferret food", I caught the flicker of understanding in the bird's eyes a split second before it took off in a flurry of feathers and chicken poop. I never thought a chicken could move that fast. That chicken was flapping all around the apartment, pumping his wings for all it was worth I immediately gave chase, not wanting the hard work and pain I went through to get the foul fowl to go to waste. Through the living room, into the bedroom, across the bed, into the bathroom and through the kitchen I chased the panicked bird. In his haste to escape the butcher block, this chicken was performing aviation maneuvers that would have made the most daring stunt pilot jealous. Finally, I thought I had it. But at the last minute it dashed out the living room window, leaving me with nothing but a handful of feathers. As I looked out the window after the hastilly retreating chicken, I heard a voice, "You can't keep chickens in your apartment!" I looked down, there was my landlord. She had seen the chicken fly out of my window. Uh-oh! Through some quick thinking and fast talking, I managed to convince her that I wasn't keeping a chicken in my apartment, it was an infestation of chickens. (Fortunately, my landlord is not too bright) This was something I would later come to regret when the Orkin man showed up at my apartment to spray for chickens. I turned back into my apartment and surveyed the damage. It was just like my mom used to say about my room when I was a kid, it looked like a tornado had hit the place. Lamps knocked over, chairs overturned, pictures knocked off the walls and worst of all, feathers and chicken poop all over. So I set about cleaning the place. After that arduous task was complete I sat down to regroup. I wasn't about to give up yet. I figured since the live chicken thing didn't work, I would break down and just go the store and buy an already dead chicken from the meat section and some eggs. I picked out a pleasantly plump fryer and a half dozen eggs and headed home. When I returned home, I was faced with another dilemma. Not having a meat grinder like so many have recommended, I had no way of processing the bones. But, being the ingenious person I am, I quickly came up with a solution. I would just use the meat tenderizing mallet to pound the bones flat. And I figured I could do it while they were still inside the chicken. But as I held the puny mallet in my hand, it seemed woefully inadequate for the job. So I went to my trusty toolbox and pulled out a hammer. This too did not seem adequate for the job. So I pulled out the big guns, the 10 pound sledge hammer. Yes, this seemed like it would do the job nicely. Before I started in on the chicken, though, I had to don some protective gear. You see, I have a fear of germs, and salmonellas, and other nastinesses that can reside on chickens (did you ever see that episode of the X-Files, eeeeeeeeeeewwwww!). But not possessing an apron or anything of that nature, I instead wrapped my entire body with Saran wrap. Not a inch was left exposed to the threat of chicken nastinesses. Then I donned my safety goggles and prepared to pound away. But then it occurred to me, bashing and mutilating the carcass of a chicken can't be a pretty sight. I decided that closing my eyes would be the best way to avoid such a gruesome sight. So eyes closed, I proceeded to pound away. And pound I did. I beat that chicken like the proverbial red-headed stepchild. I pounded and pounded and pounded with the sledge hammer until I was breathing heavy from the exertion. I pounded until I was sure the bones were finely powdered, then I pounded some more. When I finally ceased pounding, I opened my eyes and was flabbergasted at the sight I beheld. This dead chicken had made more of a mess then the live chicken had! There was chicken everywhere. Chicken guts on the walls, pieces parts on the ceiling, bits of skin on the kitchen cabinets, blood on the floor. I realized maybe I had pounded a little too vehemently. It was at about this time the realization came to me that when the temperature outside is 85 degrees and one lives in an apartment without air conditioning, one should not wrap one's body entirely in Saran wrap and then exert oneself. Then came the realization that the previous realization came too late because I passed out from the heat. When I came to, I was facing an intricate pattern of blood and chicken parts on the wall. In my dazed condition, I could only think of two things to do: either get high and marvel at the psychedelic patterns or be a soothsayer and divine the future from the chicken guts. But since I don't do drugs and I have never said any sooths, I waited until I came to my senses and decided to just clean the mess up. But before I could start, someone started banging on my door. "What's all that pounding going on in there!" It was the landlord again. Being somewhat still weak and dazed I answered the door. The landlord was aghast when she saw me, wrapped in Saran wrap, plastered with chicken parts. She demanded to know what was going on. I convinced her that the chickens infesting my apartment were the rare Brazilian Exploding chickens and one just exploded in my kitchen. That seemed to satisfy her. As I said before, she's not too bright. She didn't even question what chickens from Brazil were doing in the Pacific Northwest. I went back in to clean the apartment again. And thus ended my career as a chicken gravy maker. I had been shot at. I had a close encounter of the feathered kind. And I had to completely clean my apartment twice, which was twice more than it usually gets cleaned. I realized that this recipe was designed to cause you no end of trouble not matter how you went about it. I just scrambled the eggs I had bought and sat in front of the TV to forget my woes. I figure I if my ferrets want some chicken gravy, they can bloody well make it themselves. Of course, I blame Bob Church entirely for this episode. Obviously if it wasn't for him posting this diabolical recipe, I would not have gotten myself into this predicament. I can just see him sitting in front of his Mac, the moniter lighting his face with a demonic glow, offsetting the evil glint in his eyes, typing madly, cackling hysterically, thinking, "I'm gonna mess up someone real good with this post." Then, with much glee, he presses the "send" button, sits back, and anxiously awaits the chaos he knows it will cause. I can only imagine how many other people were caught in this devious trap, but were too embarassed to say anything. I decided to go public to expose Mr. Church for what he really is and to prevent other people from being taken in by his seemingly innocent posts. Next time, maybe I'll try Edward's LUMPS. That seems a much more benign recipe. Now all of this is behind me and I'm not one to hold a grudge. However, I anxiously await Bob Church's next visit to the Seattle area. May your gravy be not fraught with difficulties, Limejello & The Weezils of Doom http://home1.gte.net/wrenched ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:54:31 -0700 From: William Killian - Zen and the Art of Ferrets Subject: zen's replies on pre-heat spays and free spoken pies >From: Bob Church >Subject: Bob C: Big Long Post Responses; Q-N-A Shorties >Men are stronger, are taller, and are stronger. Oh, did I mention >taller? Uh... I've seen you. Neither of us is really in a great personal position to state men are really taller than women... Okay in general men are taller. Those unfortunately deformed men "In general" will also surface in the next reply. >From: Sunshine >Subject: Healthier Female >This may seem like an odd question but I am known for them odd ones. Is >it healthier to have a female be mated to a male who can't produce kids, >hehehe once and they spay her after this? Or is it better to spay her >before first heat first? That is a VERY good question. I don't know if it has ever been really studied but the normal recommendation as we've heard it is to spay before the first heat. But that isn't through a scientific study but I think the idea that that first heat does bring about potential for infection. We scrub down our soon to get busy partners with anti- bacterial soap but that reduces but can not prevent infections. Also some folks really think even the first false pregnancy really alters the personality of the jill and not for the better. We aren't ready to accept this based on ours but not all of ours even respond to real or false pregnancies the same and won't assert we know what other folk's jills will be like. We haven't noticed that early sapyed females are smaller that later spayed females in general. Marshall has some lines that are quite small but so are some private bred lines. In general though we have seen that most early castrated males are smaller than late castrated males. Note "in general" and "most" - we too have seen large early alters and small late alters. >From: sharin >Subject: free speech controversy >That said, I think the posts suggesting & then supporting throwing pies at >a particular correspondent were out of line. They were funny, but had to >be hurtful to read, & did not serve to edify us about ferretry. I think >I'd have edited those out, even tho they made me giggle. We're with you on this. I'm quite sure if you asked every subscriber to name who they'd like to throw pies at the reslutant list would be quite long though. I'm sure several would name me as well. Some of those who would name Edward or me would also possibly be named by others. It would be an unpleasant experience for many of us to find out we aren't as popular as we think we are. So not bringing up things like this is a good idea. As far as free speech. This is not really a public forum. BIG owns it and can choose to post what he chooses. Its not censorship so much as editting. Some folks have decided that they have different ideas on what should be on a ferret mail list and have created their own list so they can choose what to edit out. The closest thing to a public forum on the internet regarding ferret topics is the newsgroup alt.pets.ferrets Unforunately my ISP has bungled up newsgroups so I'm not currently annoying folks there. -bill -- bill and diane killian zen and the art of ferrets http://www.zenferret.com/ mailto:killian@zenferret.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 00:19:57 -0700 From: Edward Lipinski Ferrets NorthWest FNW Subject: Possible fund raiser for North West Ferret Association. Splat! Splat! How about $5.50 for a meringue pie that you can throw at the face of one Edward Lipinski from a distance of 5 feet. "Lipi" will be restrained from dodging any thrown meringue pie, so your aim will be the only variable in this event. All monies raised in this event at the NWFA August 8 shindig at Issaquah's Klahnie Park will be used to unplug "Lipi's" nostrils after the last pie is thrown. No, no. Seriously, all funds will be used to further the interests of the North West Ferret Association, of which "Lipi" is a member, right now, and not really in very good standing with the membership. I wonder why? Since "Lipi" is an avowed sexist, homophobe and just plain cantankerous in his old age all ladies and homophilics will have priority over all other pie flingers. Of course "Lipi" says he wants to reserve the right to stick out his tongue at you just before you launch your pie, hopefully to get you so ruffled that you will miss splatering your pie in his face. Yuk, yuk! Of course, early registration is required so the NWFA will know how many hundreds of meringue pies to order. Please contact Charlene Schuster of the NWFA to place your order for your pies and Michael McKinley, the Director of WSFA (wsfa@daft.com) to affirm whether or not this "revenge" event will ultimately take place on August 8 when and if sufficient numbers of ferret avengers and disgruntled shelter volunteers sign up. Also available will be stout sticks to beat against an enlarged copy of Mr. Lipinski's recent posting about his opinions of shelter worker volunteers - this the instrument that has caused such an uproar amoung the faithful, the forlorn and the frustrated. In the meantime, "Lipi" offers to all - his profound and sincerely felt apology - to the many who have been upset by his bluntness and disrespect for the other gender and requests that he will be someday pardoned for his transgression. And in particular, to the North West Ferret Association of dedicated volunteers who, on May 16, performed a very much appreciated "outreach" at the Ferrets NorthWest shelter, he seeks their pardon and forgiveness, since they themselves felt included in the damnation, even though they were not specifically mentioned nor specifically excluded. To the many who offered suggestions on how to better manage the situation in scheduling volunteers, how to better appreciate the cuddling and "hands-on" affection for the flat cats, and how to appreciate the interpersonal socializing of volunteers, he thanks you, thanks you, and thanks you, each and every one. And, although this may be a bit premature, he'd love to extend an invitation to anyone to come and visit Ferrets North West shelter and watch him clean cages while they do whatever they feel inclinded to do (with the ferrets, I mean). They can teach Miss Maggie some new swear words and play poof-poof with Miss Minkie. She flicks her tail and stomps her hind paws just before she does a mock charge, and like a llama, sort of spits at you. Edward Lipinski, Ferret Endowment for Research, Rehabilitation, Education & Training Society, North West, FERRETS, NW. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:15:35 +0000 From: Jerry Jackowski Subject: Ferret Extravaganza '99 deadline is approaching Hello ferret enthusiast, This is just a reminder that the discounted entry deadline for the Ferret Extravaganza '99 show is quickly approaching. That deadline is July 25. All entries postmarked after July 25th will be required to pay the full entry fee. The final entry deadline is August 7th . Ferret Extravaganza '99 will be held at the Best Western North in Columbus, Ohio on August 28, 1999 and is sponsored by PETCO Animal Supplies, Inc. and co-sponsored by Performance Foods, Inc. This L.I.F.E sanctioned event will consist of Three Ring Championships, Specialty Rings, Fun Matches and Vendors. Proceeds from this show will benefit Tristate Ferret Connection and Heart of Ferret Association. Show information and entry packets are available at http://www.angelfire.com/oh/jnjack/pack99.html or by contacting our show registrar: Pam Hostetler at pamela.hostetler@gte.net or (614) 847-0502 . This is sure to be one of the biggest and best ferret shows in the country, one you surely would not want to miss. Ferrets brought to the show MUST have proof of current distemper and rabies vaccinations for ferrets dated not more than 1 year or less than 30 days of prior to the show date. Jerry Jackowski Show Coordinator Ferret Extravaganza '99 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:01:50 EDT From: Kathy Evans Subject: Syracuse, NY Club Hi all!! Just wanted to let anyone interested that the club will be meeting on Tuesday, July 27 at the Liverpool Public Library from 7 to 9 pm. Hope to see some new faces there!!! -- Kathy, Muncher, Missy, Taz, Winnie, Bailey and Bell --- with Slinky waiting at the Rainbow Bridge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:26:54 -0700 From: Nial Pye Subject: Thanks for all for the Vancouver Vet referrals Thank you for the info that all of you have provided me. I have visited Dr. Michael Dear this afternoon and was VERY pleased and impressed. He is actually taking Axel overnight and will do some blood tests (which the other vet was not able to do) in the AM. Dear Animal Hospital 6020A Blundell Road Richmond, B.C. V2C 1H8 604.271.6411 Dr. Michael Dear I think he has a few offices. We visited him at his new office in the brand new Terra Nova area of Richmond. So far I would definitely recommend Dr. Dear if anyone is looking in the Richmond area. If you are in Vancouver I have heard from a number of people The Arbutus West Animal Clinic is your best bet. According to Mia, B.C.'s best ferret vet is : Dr.Brondwin The Arbutus West Animal Clinic 2809 West 16th Avenue Vancouver BC 604) 736 6701 Thanks to: Richard Beveridge (pointed me to www.ferrets.org) Karl Brodhecker (from FIRST (Ferret) Society) : www.ferrets.org - Emailed me a list of recommended vets Tom "FerretzRus" (pointed me to FIRST and a few other Clinics) and Mia and Patrick Emery (pointed me to Arbutus) I hope this info helps other ferret lovers in B.C.. Thanks again, Nial and Melissa (and Axel , Rocky , and Princess) npye@home.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:33:25 -0400 From: Derek & Amy Flemming - Flemming Farms Subject: Breeding Ferrets - Part 2 [and 3] [Moderator's note: Part one appeared in yesterday's FML (issue 2746). Parts 2 and 3 were sent today -- I've combined them into one post. BIG] [Hi guys - sorry this didn't come thu (the 2nd part). I tried to send the whole thing and it was bounced back! Sent the part 2 & didn't get that it bounced back - so here is part 2 & part 3 will follow.] >Most of the nay-sayers to breeding one's ferret comes from breeders. Mostly, folks don't understand the cost of the risks, the costs of the kits, and etc. Have you ever had an extra bunch of hyper kits in your home (I know you, MC, had Sam's kits)? It can be unreal! They are cute, but can you find homes for them? Will you be able to pay for 30 distemper vaccines and 10 rabies vaccines? How about other inflictions kits have? How about food? Can you afford to FEED all the kits? They will need to be in cages. Can you afford new cages? And advertising to sell the kits? And paperwork, and toys? And the biggest thing - TIME! Do you have the time to nip train these ferrets? Do you have the time to socialize and play with the kits? How about if not all of the kits get along? Do you have time to arrange different play times? What happens if you have these kits when the jill kits go in estrus? Can you get them HGC shots - or will they be bred because you couldn't sell them? How about altering them? Can you afford to have them all altered? Can you afford to pay your vet? Or will they be stuck with the bill? Can your ferrets afford it when your vet tells you they will not extend your credit further than the already $1,000. Are you willing to KEEP all the kits if you can't find homes for them? Will you take them back in if the homes you did find can't keep them? WHEN YOU BREED ANY ANIMAL YOU ARE - or should be - RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ANIMAL FOR ITS WHOLE LIFE! Even if you do not own it or no longer breed. And of course - you just have to keep kits for future breeding - of course. This gets to be a TON of ferrets! By the time you figure out that you are in over your head, then you are just about sunk! Now what do you do? And how do you get rid of all these kits!?!? I have heard of kits and breeders DUMPED into shelters for some of the following reasons: My spouse was going to leave me . . . They cost too much . . . They bite . . . My city told me I had too many . . . I didn't know that it was going to be so involved . . . I have just heard of a guy that had over 200 ferrets and ones he couldn't give away he released into "the wild". Some people do not understand how involved breeding MUST get. LOTS OF RESEARCH should be done and CONSIDERED! Serious breeders, may it be large, meduim or small, should have very serious plans prior to breeding ANY animal. Putting genes together is "playing God" and YOU, the breeder, control what the outcome is. This could be an animal with a super temperament. It could be an unpredictable animal. It could be an animal with horrid conformation. It could be an animal with excellent conformation. It could be a combination of these or other things. A breeder must consider WHAT they want the outcome to be and HOW they will obtain that goal. Some breeders have not reached that goal - and some *think* they have. >You didn't listen to the negative comments, if any were offered This is not true - we DID listen and we learned from them. >When you heard (If you did) that you can lose livestock for any number of >reasons, you went ahead anyway, thinking it couldn't happen to you or that >it was an acceptable risk. Yes - we did go ahead - BUT we were aware of the risks! Some folks AREN'T and change there mind after hearing them. I know a woman that bred her beloved jill and almost lost her becasue she DIDN'T know of ANY risks. >You should always advise of the possible roadblocks and pitfalls, but should ALWAYS encourage the new breeder if they decide to proceed This we do - just ask anyone . . . . I will answer questions that folks ask. I will assist folks that ask. Some I will not encourage, but there are others I will and have. In all, breeding ferrets is a huge commitment and responsiblity. Many people do not understand this. In turn, it is a huge joy and is something I would not trade for the world. And FYI, I am STILL learning . . . and so are other breeders. If they tell you otherwise - they are not good breeders. Amy Flemming flemmingfarms@cac.net wwfr@hotmail.com Flemming Farms - Michigan, USA Breeding for Quality Ferrets American, Australian, German, and New Zealand bloodlines Come see us at http://www.geocities.com/heartland/ranch/9521 Weasel Watchers Ferret Rescue - Michigan, USA Helping Needy Weasels Come see us at http://www.geocities.com/petsburgh/zoo/2690 "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:27:52 +0000 From: "Bowersmith, Jalene" Subject: Legal in Arizona Ferrets are legal in AZ. We lived there for 8 years and they are perfectly legal. Be careful about the heat when driving through AZ. Particularly from July - September in the Southern part of the state (we are talking 95-110 average) during the day it is very hot. Make sure to bring some water bottles with frozen water in them for the ferrets to cool themselves down. Be completely sure that you have supplies for the ferrets if the car breaks down or something. In that kind of heat they will not be able to make it. Or you might want to drive through Southern AZ in the evening (75-85 average) when it is cooler. Hope this is helpful and good luck. Best wishes, kisses and dooks Jalene, Zonker and Scooter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:27:36 -0400 From: R & T Lombardi Subject: Ferret Maths Strikes Hi Everyone, I just wanted to write to tell you that ferret math has struck once again. The best part, however, is this time it was my husband that couldn't pass them up. Here's what happened: We went to the petstore to buy litter, food, and hairball stuff (don't you hate when you run out of everything at once). Anyway, there were these cute little boys in the store that my husband fell in love with. They are already 9 weeks and the other is 11 weeks. My husband felt bad because they were older and still in the petstore and all the babies were sold and they were the only two left. So needless to say, we now have two little boys, actually they're not that little. So my once five ferrets have multiplied to seven. Also over the weekend, the vet's office called me asking if I would talk to a man who wanted to get a ferret and had lots of questions. They said they were originally calling to confirm Sequoia's appointment. So I called the man and we talked for awhile. I told him to take my phone # in case they had anymore questions. He called the next day, asking about litterbox training, they went and got one the day I spoke to him. He said he's had one success, so far. If only I could get my new ones to figure it out. Oh well....in time. Dooks To All, Teresa & the Fur-tastic Seven Sequoia, Enoch, Callisto, Nemesis, Gizmo,=20 & two new boys (names yet to be decided) and our fur angel Loki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:07:51 +0100 From: Betty Subject: Lesson 22: Do not pull when ferret attached Well, it has been an interesting weekend... one that ended with my husband going to the hospital to get a couple of stitches put into his nose. But he knew what he did was wrong and he paid the price. You see, we are in the middle of home renovations - getting rid of the last of the carpet so that more tiles can be laid to make our lives a little easier in the poop/pee clean up arena. My husband was painting and I was, er, um, supervising with my eyes shut. Well little Ping got really interested in the paint pan my husband was using and promptly made a quick jaunt through it. It wasn't hard to find her as all you had to do was to follow those tiny little tracks she left behind. Once my husband saw the tracks, he dropped the roller and ran to catch up with her so she wouldn't make more tracks, although they were quite decorative. Poor little Ping got scared at the sudden movement towards her and bolted like a ferret outta hell. My SO caught her and also caught a bite. He scruffed her and sharply said "NO!" and before he could get the O out of NO, she had him by the right nostril. The action that followed came too quick... he pulled her away. The result left him with a small, but painful reminder why one should not try to release a ferret's grip by yanking. He was a pitiful site when I awoke... one hand cupped the life force that flowed from his schnoz, whilst the other still held the scruffed Ping. The look in his eyes was so pitiful and full of surprise, I had to keep from laughing. I told him it was okay to let Ping down now, and got a cloth from the kitchen. After he explained what had happened, I asked him if he knew whose fault it was that he was bleeding. After getting the look that I have seen millions of times before (you know, the one that says that you're going to make me say it out loud aren't you) he admitted that he shouldn't have yanked. Patience truly is a virtue and especially so when pain is involved. He must have left his at work the day before. On the way to the hospital, we knew it would be best if we didn't mention the word ferret and decided it would be better for all involved if we just blamed it on one of our cats. The hospital technicians never blinked an eye once they heard cat. I must admit, after hearing some of the stories on the FML, we were both very scared for our little girl's life. It wasn't her fault - she was scared and her reaction was all she knew what to do. And although we had her proof of vaccination and rabies, we were uncertain if more would come out of this. Besides, in this day and age when the ferrets future in many states is still under fire, who needs to spread more negativity. Would the Doctors and Nurses involved really understand that it wasn't her fault? I am afraid that all they would see is "ferret" and "blood" and the word "attack" would soon follow. I didn't want to take that chance. So yes, I lied. I would do it again too if I had to. But I can safely say this; I don't think my husband will be yanking the next time one of our ferrets finds a piece of flesh to hang from. As for Ping, my husband is back to hugging and kissing her and even bringing his ill fated nose close to her face again and schnuffling her neck. All is forgiven and peace reigns once more. Betty and Her Blur O'Fur. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:18:18 +0000 From: "Melissa A. Durfee" Subject: litter training standards >From: Marta >Subject: Several Post Replies >Seriously, cleaning up ferret poop is part and parcel of owning a >ferret. If you can't stand that, then maybe you should reconsider >being owned by a ferret! Because I have a low tolerance for animals crapping in my living quarters I should "reconsider" my choice of pet? That's harsh and judgemental. I never said I couldn't stand cleaning up ferret poop. I've been a ferret owner for more than 11 years. I've trained four ferrets to be 99%-100% accurate in their cages and a fifth who has only an occasional lapse. Brickbat, however, has stumped me for nine months, defeating every method that worked with the others. If my first ferret had been 60%, as you say yours are, I never would have adopted a second. An animal that craps all over your house with no hope of being trained otherwise isn't the kind of animal one should have as a pet. The next time you have nothing constructive to offer it would be better to withhold comment instead of telling someone you don't know personally to get rid of their ferrets. -mel ~ Question the definition of Progress ~ ~ www.Adbusters.org ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:28:11 -0400 From: April Gallaty Subject: Hygiene Well, I would like to admit, that I have the most horrible ear and eyebrow hygiene there is! Yes, it was confirmed today when my four ferrets found it necessary to all attack the problem at the same time. You KNOW you have serious problems when four ferrets feel it necessary to clean your ears (inside and out), straighten your ear rings, nip clean your eye brows and then lick them into place. Yes, I even had the bridge of my nose cleaned. It's shameful to admit, but it was fixed (with much giggling) and lots of hard work. Thanks guys... April and the 'LOVES' Ferrets L una O rion V enus E (not gotten 5 into ferret math yet!) S ola April Gallaty Please sign up to help out the charity of your choice. When you shop the net, your charity gets a percentage of what you spend. Start here http://www.iGive.com/html/ssi.cfm?cid=3664&mid=54270 Also, get paid while you AND your friends surf the net. Check it out here http://www.utopiad.com/member/getPaid?refId=40027 http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DJW126 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:13:19 -0700 From: Mia and Patrick Emery Subject: We need more names! Hi folks! As I am sure most of you already know, we are holding a name raffle for our latest rescue ferret, so far we have 12 names entered in our raffle. Thats a great start! and Thanks to everyone who's sent in their entries. But we need more names! To learn more about our rescue's progress, and see our list of names go to: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/5172/rescstry.htm and follow the links at the bottomof the page. She's feeling a whole lot better, and her toes are healing well. She will always have malformed feet. Her ears are still a worry and she will need treatment for adrenal, but she's getting better. Mia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:58:05 -0700 From: Sheri MacPherson Subject: Hooked on Ferrets! I have followed Ferret Digest since we got a ferret a year ago. I have gotten lots of advice and have enjoyed the ferret antics. I have 2 questions, if you please. 1. Can someone send me a pattern for crocheting ferret hammocks? 2. We brought a new male home from Prince Edward Island to Ontario, a beautiful butterscotch color I believe. He has been descented but not neutered, which we are in the process of remedying at the moment. My female is not impressed with him,yet,and we do not have them together in the sme cage yet. We want to know if anyone has ideas to encourage them being friends.We read that a male will be aggressive to the point of hurting a ferret. She is fixed and he is basically gentle, but I don't want to take a chance. Perhaps I can hang some raisins and cheerios around his neck. Just don't want to do the wrong thing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:57:12 -0600 From: James Stuart Ross Subject: Ferret Ferry to Ottawa, Ontario Please Help...I am setting up a ferret ferry to get my babies to me in Ottawa...so far I have one person who can take the fuzzies up to Richmond, Virginia. If anyone can help, let me know and I can supply you with the details... thanks Loretta and James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:13:39 -0400 From: Lynn Foster or Chris Stephenson Subject: Ontario Ferret and Child Case Dear FML: The following is from the Toronto Star, Monday, July 19, page B2 [Moderator's note: I deleted part of the story due to possible copyright issues. The important fact -- the additional charges -- remains. BIG] New Charges In Ferret Attack "The 19 year-old mother of a baby boy severely mauled by a pet ferret in Whitby on Canada Day faces three new charges. In addition to charges of criminal negligence causing bodily harm and failing to provide the necessities of life, the mother has been charged with obstructing police. She was also charged with cruelty to animals and aiding and abetting a breach of recognizance.... the case was adjourned to Thursday..." I will find out tomorrow where this case is being heard on Thursday and get a phone and email address so we can keep the pressure up in this case. There will be no time for mail. It is imperative that the cruelty to animal charge be upheld and not thrown out of court or traded off for a lighter sentence. Please, when you see my information, try to take the time to call or send an email - it is important for the powers that be to know they are being watched by a large, international group of observers and it is important that they know that this type of behaviour must be punished so that hopefully this woman will never be allowed to own a pet again. Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:26:11 -0400 From: Lynn Siegel Subject: Adoption, Ferret Attack, Happy Ending A few weeks or so ago you might remember Millie Sanders posting for me that I was looking to adopt a brother for George who is blind & the only guy among 6 girls. A sweet lady, Jeanine from Ferret Rescue at Mutt Management in Sarasota go tin touch with me about a sweetie she had there who was looking for a home. Unfortunately Stevie never made it here, due to health problems. At about the same time another very kind lady got in touch with me about a lonely blind guy she had. Margie from Margie's FLO Hangout. She had Bart, a big sweet, guy who's cage mates didn't have much to do with so he was often left alone. Would I be interested in him? Need you ask? Of course. So arrangements were made to ship Bart to me via air. I was so excited about getting him & just couldn't wait until he got here. Finally the day arrived that Bart was coming in. I had wanted to be at the airport waiting for him, but he got in first. Very nice people at Continental. He was in his carrier right by the desk. Oh I was so excited at welcoming him & giving him a brother & sisters who would love him & play & cuddle with him When the carrier was put up on the desk I stuck a finger right in the front of it to pet him & reassure him that everything was ok & he was going to have a good home. Like a cobra he struck, lightening quick. Just as fast I yanked my finger out. Thankfully he let go right away. The people there expressed some concern about the blood dripping all over the place. What a wild vicious animal! Why would anyone want one of them? Well I said it was my fault not his. I know better, having had animals most of my life. He was blind, scared & stressed. I'd have bit to if someone had stuck their finger in my face after the day he had. Paper work finished we went to the van where I keep a large carrier, so large it's hard to carry. It has a litter box & all comforts. Managed to transfer Bart to it without letting my hands get near him. I may have bouts of being stupid but I'm not an idiot. Stopped & bought a 2 liter cold bottle of water to put in the carrier to keep him cool until we got home. Before even leaving Tampa the afternoon storms came rolling in so the ride home wasn't bad at all. Put him in the bathroom with George so they could get aquatinted & held my breath. They sniffed, they snooped, they prodded. It was going to be ok! Bart even started to chuckle after awhile. One at a time I let the girls in to meet Bart. More sniffing, snooping, & prodding & not one hint of a fight. In order not to further stress Bart I only let a girl in a few minutes before taking her out & allowing another in. I decided to let George stay in there with Bart that night to further get aquatinted & start bonding. I also kept them together the next day. In the mornings when I let the girls out of the cage I put them in the bathroom to romp some with the boys & later on let them out in the bedroom. Yesterday was the first day everyone was allowed the freedom of both rooms. Bart romped with everyone! I looked once to see Caffie, really tiny little one dragging Bart across the floor trying to get him to the main hidey hole under the dresser. It is so heartwarming to see George & Bart play together & with the girls. Bart is going to be happy here, I know he will. So please, if you have one blind ferret now & it is a mellow fuzzy, gets along well with other ferrets, but maybe they don't play with it much, don't hesitate to adopt another blind one. They need homes & loving & play mates to. Bart is still not all that happy with me, but he is getting much better. I don't jump up on the toilet seat now because he wants to kill my toes. I don't put my hands by his face, but I pick him up & love on him. Today I was on the floor & he came by me & sniffed a lot but made no attempt to bite. Thank you Margie, from my heart for loving him enough to want more for him & for thinking he could get it here. Lynn & the 8 Sneaky Fur Coated Snakes: Rosie, Blossom, George, QT, Sadie, Cocoa, Caffie & TA DA! BART! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 01:17:17 -0700 From: Edward Lipinski Ferrets NorthWest FNW Subject: Absolute Fixation on One Aspect of Ferret Behavior. Let me be as clear as I possibly can be and try to explain my absolute fixation on learning as much as is humanly possible on the one troubling aspect of ferret behavior. The one aspect of ferret behavior that I should like to focus is the relationship that is repeatedly demonstrated between ferrets and human infants. I cite particularly the Toronto case. I should like to first put aside the oft cited "reason" of adult incompetence; to put aside the excuse that, "Hey, not all ferrets go after human infants," and to put aside the very negative conundrum that any ferret will go after a human infant if the ferret is sufficiently hungry. Please let's consider, at least initially, only the following: 1.) What are the physical and social circumstances at the bite site? 2.) What deviations from the norm are evident upon examining the ferret externally? 3.) What deviations from the norm are evident upon examining the ferret internally? 4.) What are the precise architectual deformations at the bite site on the infant? 5.) Are lacerations always prevalent when preceeded by canine tooth punctures either at the leading or lagging end of the laceration? 6.) Is there any evidence of gnawing at the bite site(s)? 7.) Is there any evidence of the ferret attempting to drag or move the infant to a different location from its initial discovery site and are the wounds to the infant consistent with a dragging moment and the repeated ruptures of skin at a body extremity, such as the scalp, a hand (finger), or at a foot (toe)? 8.) Is there any evidence that the attempt to drag the infant is in or towards the direction where the ferret normally keeps and hides its cache of toys, food particles, soiled owner laundry, or other specific ferret "treasures?" 9.) Had the ferret demonstrated any highly curious attraction to the infant's cry or to the scent of the infant prior to its attack? I would welcome your thoughts and suggestions for significant questions to be posed in addition to the nine above. I believe that progress in understanding this aspect of ferret/infant behavior can be accomplished by first posing such questions as the questions above, and secondly, by attempting to answer them for each and every ferret/infant bite occurrence. Further I would hope that if a ferret/bite occurrence takes place in your immediate area, you would be in there ferreting out as many answers to the above nine questions as you can in the shortest time possible. I should like to be the international repository of such data and would most earnestly welcome submissions as often as possible. Does this approach to understanding ferret behavior seem right and sensible to you? If not, please indicate your reason(s) and counter with an approach of your own. Edward Lipinski, Ferret Endowment for Research, Rehabilitation, Education & Training Society, North West, FERRETS NW. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 03:55:54 -0700 From: Edward Lipinski Ferrets NorthWest FNW Subject: Bobbie C (Ruprecht Kirche) jumps in with both feet out flushes a torrent of . . . well? I am soooo disappointed. Why is it the Ruprecht Kirche has flushed out a torrent of...well, you name it if you will, as if he had been smacked in the kisser with a treatise on "Gross Primitiveness in the Domestic Ferret and Its Relativistic Aggression on Infantis Humanus?" I fail to understand why the Sorcerer of Erudition, when presented with the Socrotean method of questioning jumps to the erronous conclusion that the questions are in fact "factual," when in reality they are simple questions and not "fixed in concrete" assertions. Did this little Edward stumble on a rarely touched "Hot Button?" Whew! It certainly looks that way, doesn't it? Somehow I feel his literary fingers closing about my throat, especially the patently porous personal insultive quips thinly disguised as "humor." Surely you can be funny and at the same time a bit less prickerly. Please. Hesus Kristos. Confront thy adversary with an argument and please leave out the degrading epithets. I will most certainly defer to your presentation when and if the assertions you make are intellectually supportive of your stand on an issue. Thanks. The questions I posed I gleaned from a local newspaper. I thought them apropos of the FML even though they did not pertain specifically to the ferret. I added the word, "ferret" and the following "(sic)" to indicate the word was not initially included in the newspaper listing of the mustelids. Somebody on the net was asking about that. Golly, I never ever thought of the ferret as "primitive," what ever that word means in this case. The jist appears to be the lacking of a communicative senses in all the musties, in comparison to other mammals. Your focus on the other aspects of the ferrets evolutionary development is perhaps an example of your eruditous redundancy, so often typical of your postings. I defer to the KISS principle. I would hope you'd care to express your opinions on the differences in communicative skills of the primitive ferret in both the native American Black-footed ferret and the (Oh no - I've got to say it...) domestic (domesticated) ferret. And while you're at it, maybe you could touch on the relationship between primitiveness and the hunting/killing instinct of both ferrets. And in so doing, give us a comparative sense of the difference in domesticity between the two ferrets. Or, do you (I hope not) regard both ferrets as equally domestic(ated)? Now this brings up an interesting aspect that has not come into my ken heretofore: are there differing degrees of domestication? As for example, at what point or evolutionary development period of the dog from the wolf could one say with a reasonable sense of intellectual comfort that the "fog" of domesticity became measureable in the wolf/dog? Surely as the wolf evolved to the domestic dog, somewhere along the timescale of evolving, what we recognize as "wildness" was diminished and "domesticity" was apparent. Now, how do we translate that to the ferret's evolutionary growth, or as I sometimes prefer to call it, the repression of innate characteristics? And now with respect to my seemingly sexist proclivities, as some would have it, please be aware that my less-than-glowing affirmation of the (as Rudyard Kipling put it, the deadliest of the species) female volunteer shelter worker is testimonial to only those girls and women who actually worked here in the past 18 years that this geriatric shelter has been in existence. Repeat: only those girls and women who have worked here the last 18 years. Ye Gods! That does not include all women-kind by any means. Yet to read the critiques, one would assume such was my inclusion. You Ruprecht, like others of similar ilk have taken an assumption and run amok with it. Too bad. Too bad. Hmmm. That makes two too bads = to one four bad?? Edward Lipinski, who maintains: domesticATED=DEAD. (So Sorry buddy) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:42:52 +0000 From: karen daigneault Subject: blinded by emotion >God has blessed me big time once again. >Lisette Lisette, what a beautiful post! Thanks for sharing. Karen&Manna and the 10 fuzziewuzzies ------------------------------ End of FERRET-L Digest - 19 Jul 1999 to 20 Jul 1999 (#1999-2747) ****************************************************************  1,, Summary-line: 20-Jul jtkohl@MIT.EDU #Pan-Mass Challenge pledges Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA20973; Tue, 20 Jul 99 08:57:45 EDT Received: from jtk.ne.mediaone.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26767; Tue, 20 Jul 99 08:57:43 EDT Received: (from jtk@localhost) by kolvir.arlington.ma.us (8.8.8/JTK19980409) id IAA15436; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907201257.IAA15436@kolvir.arlington.ma.us> From: John Kohl To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Pan-Mass Challenge pledges X-Us-Snail: 8 Lorne Road, Arlington, MA 02476 *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:57:43 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kohl To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: Pan-Mass Challenge pledges X-Us-Snail: 8 Lorne Road, Arlington, MA 02476 Hi all, This will be my last pitch (this year) for pledges for the Pan-Massachusetts Challenge, a 192-mile bike ride I will be doing August 7th & 8th from Sturbridge to Provincetown. It benefits the Jimmy Fund of the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute. (Ride and volunteer details at http://www.pmc.org/) Many of you sponsored me in years past. Those who have already pledged this year got a separate reminder just now; thanks. If you'd like to pledge to sponsor me this year, send me email and/or a contribution (payable to PMC/Jimmy Fund). Have a cool week enjoying the nice weather! -- ==John Kohl , Write a poem, share your heart! Home page: Note new home zip code as of July 1, 1998: 02476  1,, Summary-line: 20-Jul kkowalski@authentica-secu #Here I Am, Moe Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22365; Tue, 20 Jul 99 09:04:01 EDT Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28209; Tue, 20 Jul 99 09:04:01 EDT Received: from inuit.authentica.com (inuit.authentica-security.com [208.249.150.210]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA25047; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nome.authentica-security.com by inuit.authentica.com via smtpd (for martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 13:03:41 UT Received: from [192.168.85.78] (prudhoe.authentica-security.com [192.168.85.78]) by nome.authentica-security.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA04508; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:53:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: kkowalski@192.168.85.4 (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:53:55 -0400 To: killer@alum.mit.edu From: "Karl G. Kowalski" Subject: Here I Am, Moe *** EOOH *** X-Sender: kkowalski@192.168.85.4 (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:53:55 -0400 To: killer@alum.mit.edu From: "Karl G. Kowalski" Subject: Here I Am, Moe Ladies and Gentlemen, Yes, it's that time of day again. Time for me to have a new job, new computer, and new EEEEE M M A I L E MM MM A A I L E M M M M A A I L EEE M M M AAAAAAA I L E M M A A I L E M M A A I L EEEEE M M A A I LLLLL No apologies to those of you using proportional fonts or email applications that are less-capable than Eudora: get Eudora. I'm reliably informed that I can be reached at: kkowalski@authentica.com It's also well within the realm of possibility that I can be likewise reached at: killer@authentica.com These software companies are starting to come into the 90s. It's fun being repeatedly gainfully employed. Alas, no "Escape From Hell" party for this new change; I'm still recovering from the last one three weeks ago. As always, I can permanently be arrived at through: killer@alum.mit.edu And we thank you for your support. killer  1,, Summary-line: 22-Jul LSimons@mail.usa.com #Mikado Full Score and MIDI Files Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29474; Thu, 22 Jul 99 18:53:04 EDT Received: from Luna.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26669; Thu, 22 Jul 99 18:53:04 EDT Received: from Luna (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Luna.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07081; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <004801bed494$4e6f06e0$58e131d4@lsimons> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: LSimons@mail.usa.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Larry Simons" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Mikado Full Score and MIDI Files Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: LSimons@mail.usa.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Larry Simons" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Mikado Full Score and MIDI Files Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 1. A number of people have e-mailed me in the past couple of days asking for the URL where my Mikado score can be downloaded, so for the benefit of anyone and ev'ryone who wants it, the address is: http://home.freeuk.net/lsimons/mikado.html 2. The remaining score pages (containing *that* fanfare, "There is beauty in the bellow of the blast" and the second act finale "For he's gone and married Yum-Yum") will be uploaded as soon as they are finished - I'll post an announcement on SavoyNet when they are available. 3. In response to a mild protest about the overture MIDI file playing itself automatically when the page is loaded, it now no longer does so. 4. The MIDI files which were not present originally have now been added and the site now contains a complete set of all the Mikado music. In a few hours' time I shall be adding a further link to download all the MIDI files in the form of a self-extracting zip-file. Larry Simons London, U.K.  1,, Summary-line: 23-Jul wjbagaria@venable.com #BJ Spam: PalmPilot Software Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA29374; Fri, 23 Jul 99 10:03:00 EDT Received: from smtp.venable.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26250; Fri, 23 Jul 99 10:02:52 EDT Received: from vbmim01.venable.com by smtp.venable.com via smtpd (for SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.72.1.2]) with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 13:53:57 UT Received: from [208.200.215.65] (vbsmt02.venable.com) by vbmim01.venable.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:55:23 -0400 Received: from vbsmt02.venable.com by [208.200.215.65] via smtpd (for vbmim01.venable.com [208.200.215.66]) with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 14:02:41 UT Received: by vbsmt02.venable.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:02:45 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Bagaria, William J., III" To: "'Meeps, DC'" Cc: '/cjm' , "'David C. Jedlinsky'" , 'David Policar' Subject: BJ Spam: PalmPilot Software Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:02:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BED514.09BD7128" *** EOOH *** From: "Bagaria, William J., III" To: "'Meeps, DC'" Cc: '/cjm' , "'David C. Jedlinsky'" , 'David Policar' Subject: BJ Spam: PalmPilot Software Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:02:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BED514.09BD7128" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BED514.09BD7128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am currently using QED for DOC files- books, short stories, manuals etc-, 5 cows from pilotzone, and JFile for databases, 4 cows from pilotzone (databases don't get more than 4 cows because of small target audience). I tried TealDoc which I really liked, and Pilotzone also gives 5 cows, and it is better than QED for reading DOC files but it will not let you edit DOC files on the PalmPilot. I also tried MobileDB for databases, 4 cows from pilotzone, which is nice, but only allows alphanumeric fields (I don't want to eat up the space for 250 char per field if it is just going to have a boolean value). Deb recommended _PalmPilot: The Ultimate Guide_ by David Pogue published by O'Reilly. I bought the 2nd Ed last night. It is copyright June 1999 for Pilot 1000 to Palm VII and comes with a CD-ROM from Palmcentral (pilotcentral?) which they partnered with for the 2nd Ed. O'Reilly also sell a software developer's guide for PalmPilots which is highly praised. Just skimming through it last night, I am going to try HansBase for databases (all the features of JFile, but supposedly better) and SmartDoc (which pilotzone only gave 4 cows but Pogue likes better then QED). Jed, I'll let you know what I think of HansBase. I like JFile enough I was planning to register it after a few more trial weeks. JFile and HansBase let you use boolean values. In my database, each entry for movies is title- since you get 500 chars with JFile I also use this field for notes such as "Starland only has Volume 2 in dubbed, check Pandora's Box for subtitled" (string) Pt- for mutiple part series (integer) NTR- Need To Rent (boolean) Rtg- Rating of story, i.e. would I buy the novelization? (integer) Sp?- Check spelling, i.e. a friend tells me a movie title I need to rent (boolean) Ht- Hotness ( I'd already used Sp for spelling), is the movie like _Akira_, story rating 2 but hotness 5 for cool special effects and strong buzz. (integer) Currently 5K for database structure and info for 102 movies. Having skimmed the _Guide_ I didn't see any quick fix to synching two PalmDesktop calendars. I'm still asking friends and checking the web. Of course when I read the _Guide_ in depth it might have a suggestion. I'm pretty sure Outlook can do it, but I like the PalmDesktop because I can back up my Palm V in 250K. If I skimmed the _Guide_ correctly (in the section about moving data from your dead/ obselete PalmPillot to your shiny/ new PalmPilot) one way to do it manually on the PalmDesktop would be as follows: create file folder "Family" Export your calendar to Ruth's folder Delete your calendar Merge Ruth's calendar with your exported calendar Move Ruth's calendar to Family folder When you want to HotSync Move calendar from Family to Jed's folder Hotsync Move calender back to Family folder When Ruth want's to HotSync Move calendar from Family to Ruth's folder Hotsync Move calender back to Family folder This method has a few lingering questions: Is skimming the section sufficient, or am I missing somethign glaringly obvious? Will it work on a non- new PalmPilot? Do you have to change the HotSync conduit settings? When HotSyncing does the Palm OS look for missing records, or just records flagged for HotSyncing? (part of the speed of HotSyncing is the update, delete and archive flags) I Will keep you posted on this experiement. -Bj PalmPilot Addict -----Original Message----- From: David C. Jedlinsky [mailto:opus@MIT.EDU] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 5:36 PM To: Bagaria, William J., III Cc: CJ@sftlaw.com; opus@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: iBook So, what database program do you use? I've been wanting to put books & movies into my Palm, but haven't picked the perfect DB yet. On another front, do both BJ & CJ have Palm Pilots? If so, how do you keep your calendars in sync? -Dave ********************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission may contain confidential or privileged information. If you believe that you have received the message in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. ********************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01BED514.09BD7128 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BJ Spam: PalmPilot Software

        I am = currently using QED for DOC files- books, short stories, manuals etc-, = 5 cows from pilotzone, and JFile for databases, 4 cows from pilotzone = (databases don't get more than 4 cows because of small target = audience).

        I tried = TealDoc which I really liked, and Pilotzone also gives 5 cows, and it = is better than QED for reading DOC files but it will not let you edit = DOC files on the PalmPilot.  I also tried MobileDB for databases, = 4 cows from pilotzone, which is nice, but only allows alphanumeric = fields (I don't want to eat up the space for 250 char per field if it = is just going to have a boolean value).

        Deb = recommended _PalmPilot: The Ultimate Guide_ by David Pogue published by = O'Reilly.  I bought the 2nd Ed last night.  It is copyright = June 1999 for Pilot 1000 to Palm VII and comes with a CD-ROM from = Palmcentral (pilotcentral?) which they partnered with for the 2nd = Ed.  O'Reilly also sell a software developer's guide for = PalmPilots which is highly praised.

        Just = skimming through it last night, I am going to try HansBase for = databases (all the features of JFile, but supposedly better) and = SmartDoc (which pilotzone only gave 4 cows but Pogue likes better then = QED).

Jed,
        I'll let = you know what I think of HansBase.  I like JFile enough I was = planning to register it after a few more trial weeks.  JFile and = HansBase let you use boolean values.

        In my = database, each entry for movies is
        =         title- since = you get 500 chars with JFile I also use this field for notes such as = "Starland only has Volume 2 in dubbed, check Pandora's Box for = subtitled" (string)

        =         Pt- for = mutiple part series (integer)
        =         NTR- Need To = Rent (boolean)
        =         Rtg- Rating = of story, i.e. would I buy the novelization? (integer)
        =         Sp?- Check = spelling, i.e. a friend tells me a movie title I need to rent = (boolean)
        =         Ht- Hotness = (<grin> I'd already used Sp for spelling), is the movie like = _Akira_, story rating 2 but hotness 5 for cool special effects and = strong buzz. (integer)

        Currently = 5K for database structure and info for 102 movies.

        Having = skimmed the _Guide_ I didn't see any quick fix to synching two = PalmDesktop calendars.  I'm still asking friends and checking the = web.  Of course when I read the _Guide_ in depth it might have a = suggestion.  I'm pretty sure Outlook can do it, but I like the = PalmDesktop because I can back up my Palm V in 250K.

        If I = skimmed the _Guide_ correctly (in the section about moving data from = your dead/ obselete PalmPillot to your shiny/ new PalmPilot) one way to = do it manually on the PalmDesktop would be as follows:

        create = file folder "Family"
        Export = your calendar to Ruth's folder
        Delete = your calendar
        Merge = Ruth's calendar with your exported calendar
        Move = Ruth's calendar to Family folder

        When you = want to HotSync
        =         Move calendar = from Family to Jed's folder
        =         Hotsync
        =         Move calender = back to Family folder

        When Ruth = want's to HotSync
        =         Move calendar = from Family to Ruth's folder
        =         Hotsync
        =         Move calender = back to Family folder

        This = method has a few lingering questions:  Is skimming the section = sufficient, or am I missing somethign glaringly obvious? Will it work = on a non- new PalmPilot?  Do you have to change the HotSync = conduit settings? When HotSyncing does the Palm OS look for missing = records, or just records flagged for HotSyncing? (part of the speed of = HotSyncing is the update, delete and archive flags)

        I Will = keep you posted on this experiement.

-Bj
PalmPilot Addict
       =20

-----Original Message-----
From: David C. Jedlinsky [mailto:opus@MIT.EDU]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 5:36 PM
To: Bagaria, William J., III
Cc: CJ@sftlaw.com; opus@MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: iBook



So, what database program do you use?  I've been = wanting to put books
& movies into my Palm, but haven't picked the = perfect DB yet.

On another front, do both BJ & CJ have Palm = Pilots?  If so, how do you
keep your calendars in sync?

-Dave

------_=_NextPart_001_01BED514.09BD7128--  1,, Summary-line: 23-Jul geer@world.std.com #another clone Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09675; Fri, 23 Jul 99 23:31:27 EDT Received: from europe.std.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24747; Fri, 23 Jul 99 23:31:13 EDT Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (STD1.2/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA12687; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA07971; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:31:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:31:10 -0400 From: geer@world.std.com (Dan Geer) Message-Id: <199907240331.AA07971@world.std.com> To: zephyr@MIT.EDU Subject: another clone *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:31:10 -0400 From: geer@world.std.com (Dan Geer) To: zephyr@MIT.EDU Subject: another clone MICROSOFT BROADENS VISION STATEMENT BEYOND PC'S Microsoft is preparing for a future dominated by non-PC technologies such as Internet services and handheld computing. To reflect its change in attitude, the company has adjusted its vision statement to "Empower people through great software anytime, anyplace, and on any device." The company has already begun to expand its Internet services, most notably with a new instant messaging service to compete with America Online. The MSN Messenger Service allows users to instantly communicate online with other members of the service, as well as with AOL users. Microsoft will also focus on overtaking 3Com's Palm division in handheld services. Yet Microsoft has not abandoned PCs; instead, it plans to expand their capabilities. The company is suggesting to PC makers that telephone services become common among computers next year. Microsoft has also set two major goals: to develop an Internet-oriented platform for software that harnesses both the power of PCs and networked server machines, and to offer greater interaction between computers and users by allowing computers to recognize visual and audio cues. (Wall Street Journal 07/23/99)  1, forwarded,, Summary-line: 26-Jul mendes@aigfpc.com #FW: Your Star Wars Name. Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA25697; Mon, 26 Jul 99 15:18:07 EDT Received: from relay5.smtp.psi.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07487; Mon, 26 Jul 99 15:18:05 EDT Received: from [38.167.146.2] (helo=wpexsrv.aigfpc.com) by relay5.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 118qF2-0000gL-00; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:16:52 -0400 Received: by smtp.aigfpc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:16:22 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , "Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)" , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , Shefsky , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Your Star Wars Name. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:16:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "Mendes, Rica" To: Corrine Patane , Jane Chiodo , Katherine Christ-Janer , Kelly Flynn , Mitchell Bell , "Adina @ Work" , Amy Allen , Daddy , "David Bishop (E-mail)" , David Craven , David J , Eitan , "Gideon Leventhall (E-mail)" , Joe Bayes , Kati Roberts , Lavina , Lelia , Lisa Blocher , "Phil @ Home" , Rebecca C , "scott@work" , Shefsky , sooz , stevemartin Subject: FW: Your Star Wars Name. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:16:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Have fun! Love, Ricme Wapou Sedtercel of Natalcare Eth @}-'-,-- Rica Mendes-Barry --,-'-{@ Operations AIG Financial Products > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > *-*-*- > *-*-*-*-* > Determine your Star Wars Name! > > How to determine your Star Wars name, Honorific Name and Title: > > Your new first name: > Take the first 3 letters of your first name and > Add the first 2 letters of your last name > > Your new last name: > Then take the first 2 letters of your Mom's maiden name and > Add the first 3 letters of the city in which you were born > > Your Star Wars Honorific Name and Title: > Take the last three letters of your last name and reverse them > Add the name of the first car you drove/owned > Insert the word "of" > Tack on the name of the last medication you took > > May the force be with you... > Many thanks to Donna (Donpi Bebri, Kazpinto of Advil) > > > > Adina Alexander > Graphic Designer/Web Developer > CD UNIVERSE > www.cduniverse.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- > "It's hard not to play when there are so many toys" - Jewel > "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's > too > dark to read." - Groucho Marx  1, edited,, Summary-line: 26-Jul wjbagaria@venable.com #RE: Your Star Wars Name. Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02710; Mon, 26 Jul 99 17:15:17 EDT Received: from smtp.venable.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13388; Mon, 26 Jul 99 17:15:18 EDT Received: from vbmim01.venable.com by smtp.venable.com via smtpd (for PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 21:06:10 UT Received: from [208.200.215.65] (vbsmt02.venable.com) by vbmim01.venable.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:07:40 -0400 Received: from vbsmt02.venable.com by [208.200.215.65] via smtpd (for vbmim01.venable.com [208.200.215.66]) with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 21:14:58 UT Received: by vbsmt02.venable.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:15:04 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Bagaria, William J., III" To: "'David C. Jedlinsky'" , cj@sftlaw.com, "Bagaria, William J., III" Subject: RE: Your Star Wars Name. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:15:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BED7AB.EDA2AE96" *** EOOH *** From: "Bagaria, William J., III" To: "'David C. Jedlinsky'" , cj@sftlaw.com, "Bagaria, William J., III" Subject: RE: Your Star Wars Name. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:15:04 -0400 Can I be scared now? Very, very scared? Joy and Dreams -Wilba Falan; Airpacer of Advil -----Original Message----- From: David C. Jedlinsky [mailto:opus@mit.edu] Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 5:09 PM > > May the force be with you... -Davje Prbos; Yksjetta of Allegra  1,, Summary-line: 27-Jul CJ@sftlaw.com #RE: Your Star Wars Name. Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA15908; Tue, 27 Jul 99 09:23:20 EDT Received: from [38.209.248.2] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20769; Tue, 27 Jul 99 09:23:19 EDT Received: from SFT_PO-Message_Server by sftlaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:25:27 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:25:11 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Bagaria" To: , Subject: RE: Your Star Wars Name. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:25:11 -0400 From: "Cynthia J. Bagaria" To: , Subject: RE: Your Star Wars Name. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yes, I think we can be scared now.... Cynma Thoce, Noiford of Centrum (or Ytero Macen, Rahaili of Ghul, depending on which of me is answering...)=  1,, Summary-line: 27-Jul LHall@tscwo.com #Gilbert & Hamlet (was something else) Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA20934; Tue, 27 Jul 99 11:16:31 EDT Received: from Luna.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26014; Tue, 27 Jul 99 11:16:33 EDT Received: from Luna (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Luna.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA28119; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: LHall@tscwo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Leta Hall To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Gilbert & Hamlet (was something else) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: LHall@tscwo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Leta Hall To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Gilbert & Hamlet (was something else) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Interesting that you should mention it, as I am currently directing "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern," which is Gilbert's "short attention span plot for Hamlet for people who don't like tragedies." It's a nifty little piece (which can be found on the archive) and I have a good cast. (Which that if this turns out badly, I guess it's my fault.) It's tempting to use that song from "Merrie England" about livening up those downer Shakespeare plays with a cheerful song about the sea ... One of my actors, bless him, looked up the play in the archive before the first rehearsal and knew the background. R&G is the last show is a series of one-act plays that Silver Spring Stage produces every year. The next show (the first of the 1999-2000 season) is, amusingly enough, Paul Rudnik's "I Hate Hamlet." This is my maiden directorial effort, so if you are anywhere near the Washington, DC area on September 2, 3, or 4, please come and see it and give me moral support. Leta (LHall@tscwo.com) "Where a ghost and a prince meet and everyone ends in mincemeat!" - The Band Wagon > ---------- > From: J. Donald Smith[SMTP:DSMITH@umassd.edu] > Reply To: DSMITH@umassd.edu > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 10:05 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET > Subject: Re: Gilbert's most Outrageous Rhymes > > As my parting shot before heading out for Buxton, let me put in my oar for > > my favo(u)rite in this category. > > >From "The Mountebanks" (from a scene which may be described as part of > Gilbert's 'Short-Attention-Span Plot for Hamlet') > > [snip] > > When she found he wouldn't wed her > In a river, in a meadder, [sic] > Took a header, and a deader [sic] > Was Ophelia! > > Bye. > Don Smith > __________________________________________ > J. Donald Smith > 96 Old Colony Avenue, #320 > East Taunton, MA 02718 > 508-823-5110 (h); 508-999-8231 (w); E-mail: dsmith@umassd.edu >  1,, Summary-line: 27-Jul goodmanj@MIT.EDU #Interisland plane reservations Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02157; Tue, 27 Jul 99 13:23:23 EDT Received: from AMPERSAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06441; Tue, 27 Jul 99 13:23:20 EDT Received: by ampersand.mit.edu (8.8.8/4.7) id NAA01528; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907271723.NAA01528@ampersand.mit.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: rls@MIT.EDU, opus@MIT.EDU, jhango@alumni.hmc.edu, ziebarth@math.wisc.edu, jrowan@mandli.com, geoffrey_clark_collins@brown.edu, bcollins_epc@ids.net, arussell@gulf.mit.edu, swanberg@geo.arizona.edu, eichin@MIT.EDU Cc: Jason Goodman Subject: Interisland plane reservations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:23:15 EDT From: Jason Goodman *** EOOH *** X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: rls@MIT.EDU, opus@MIT.EDU, jhango@alumni.hmc.edu, ziebarth@math.wisc.edu, jrowan@mandli.com, geoffrey_clark_collins@brown.edu, bcollins_epc@ids.net, arussell@gulf.mit.edu, swanberg@geo.arizona.edu, eichin@MIT.EDU Cc: Jason Goodman Subject: Interisland plane reservations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:23:15 EDT From: Jason Goodman Okay. I've asked my Mom to make the following plane reservations, and get travel vouchers for them (or just to get vouchers in the cases where reservations are already made.) Hawaii: Interisland Flights Needed Dave Jedlinsky, Ruth Jedlinsky, Ken Raeburn: Lihue-Hilo Reservations already made Leave: Jan 5, 2:55p (HA 544) Return: Jan 12, 5:45p (HA 201) Vouchers needed: 6 Jennifer Hango: Honolulu->Lihue Dec 29, arrive about 9 p.m. Lihue->Hilo Jan 4, morning (same flight as Jason et al, below) Hilo->Honolulu Jan 5, evening (must arrive in time to catch 10:25 flight from HNL) Vouchers needed: 3 Jennifer Ziebarth, John Littell Lihue->Hilo Jan 4, morning (same flight as Jason et al, below) Hilo->Honolulu Jan 6, evening (must arrive in time to catch midnightish flight from HNL) Vouchers needed: 4 Jason Goodman, Geoff Collins, Beth Ashman-Collins, Sarah Russell, Karen Swanberg Lihue-Hilo Leave: Jan 4, morning Return: Jan 7, evening Vouchers needed: 10 Total vouchers: 23 (!) Let me know if this information is incorrect. Mom says she'll mail you the vouchers when she gets them. I have everyone's home address except for Dave and Ruth. I'll tell you how to pay for them shortly: it'll involve mailing a check for roughly $50-$60 per one-way ticket to either me or my Mom.  1, answered,, Summary-line: 27-Jul davie@MIT.EDU #Re: Crichton Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10829; Tue, 27 Jul 99 13:51:22 EDT Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA13054 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acj (ALONG-CAME-JONES.MIT.EDU [18.177.1.16]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA12224 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990727134837.00933380@po10.mit.edu> X-Sender: davie@po10.mit.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:48:37 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: David Euresti Subject: Re: Crichton In-Reply-To: <199907271547.LAA01969@charon.MIT.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: davie@po10.mit.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:48:37 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: David Euresti Subject: Re: Crichton In-Reply-To: <199907271547.LAA01969@charon.MIT.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Friday, 8/6 at 8 pm Saturday 8/7 matinee at 2 pm, and evening showing at 8 pm Sunday 8/8 matinee at 2 pm Friday 8/13 at 8 pm Saturday 8/14 at 8 pm (evening performance only) Sunday 8/15 matinee at 2 pm Thanks, David At 11:47 AM 7/27/99 -0400, you wrote: > >> Has someone contacted you about recording Crichton? > >Nope. > >What are the dates? I'd need to check availability. > >-Dave >  1,, Summary-line: 27-Jul rls@dimins.com #Re: Interisland plane reservations Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26012; Tue, 27 Jul 99 14:37:04 EDT Received: from di-diver.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01608; Tue, 27 Jul 99 14:37:05 EDT Received: (from mail@localhost) by sam-sheepdog.dimins.com (8.8.7/8.7.1) id OAA21876; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:41:34 -0400 Received: from dizzy-devil.dimins.com(204.215.187.16) by sam-sheepdog.dimins.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021864; Tue, 27 Jul 99 14:41:10 -0400 X-Sender: rls@204.215.187.3 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:39:47 -0400 To: Jason Goodman , opus@MIT.EDU, raeburn@raeburn.org From: rls@dimins.com (Ruth Jedlinsky) Subject: Re: Interisland plane reservations Cc: Jason Goodman *** EOOH *** X-Sender: rls@204.215.187.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:39:47 -0400 To: Jason Goodman , opus@MIT.EDU, raeburn@raeburn.org From: rls@dimins.com (Ruth Jedlinsky) Subject: Re: Interisland plane reservations Cc: Jason Goodman >Dave Jedlinsky, Ruth Jedlinsky, Ken Raeburn: >Lihue-Hilo >Reservations already made >Leave: Jan 5, 2:55p (HA 544) >Return: Jan 12, 5:45p (HA 201) >Vouchers needed: 6 >Let me know if this information is incorrect. Mom says she'll mail you the >vouchers when she gets them. I have everyone's home address except for Dave >and Ruth. I'll tell you how to pay for them shortly: it'll involve mailing a >check for roughly $50-$60 per one-way ticket to either me or my Mom. Our return date is Jan 11 not 12 as you pointed out. Our home address is 4 Foster Rd. Milford, NH 03055-3604. For Dave, Ken, and me, the cost of vouchers should be $333. They told me a voucher book has 6 one-way tickets in it and the book costs $333. Let me know where to send the check. If there is a problem getting all those tickets, let me know because I have another "source" that can pick them up in Hawaii. Ruth  1, answered,, Summary-line: 28-Jul bjaspan@intermute.com #Re: Lake dive reserved Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18457; Wed, 28 Jul 99 09:45:36 EDT Received: from ne.mediaone.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14565; Wed, 28 Jul 99 09:45:38 EDT Received: from zoar-gap (horowitz.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.136.87]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA02910 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990728094941.007e2610@po8.mit.edu> X-Sender: bjaspan@po8.mit.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:49:41 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Barry Jaspan Subject: Re: Lake dive reserved In-Reply-To: <199907161600.MAA04012@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: bjaspan@po8.mit.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:49:41 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Barry Jaspan Subject: Re: Lake dive reserved In-Reply-To: <199907161600.MAA04012@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just confirmed with the dive shop that my not having dived for a year is not a problem. I'm reviewing the diving manual this week, and hopefully I'll get paired with a buddy who has gone more recently. :-) Are there driving plans? If Mike Mendyke is going, he is mostly on the way between me and NH... Barry At 12:00 PM 7/16/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I called and made reservations for the six of us. If anyone needs to >back out due to health problems or whatever, you can do so up to 48 >hours beforehand. > >Details: > >We're diving with a boat, the "Lady-go-diva", from "Dive >Winnipesaukee", in Wolfeboro, NH. The phone number is (603) 569-8080, >and the entire reservation is under my name; they don't have anyone >else's name listed. The shop opens at 8:00, and we need to be there >around that time to get our rental gear fitted. They want to brief >everyone at 8:30, and the boat leaves promptly at 9:00. It will >return between 2:00 and 2:30. > >If anyone wants to bring a non-diver, they have various watercraft for >rent, or there's most likely a town beach (I'd have to check on that). >There's almost no room left on the boat, but if anyone wanted to come >along for the ride, it would be $15, space permitting. > >We need to bring whatever gear we don't want to rent, bathing suits, >and a lunch. They have coolers. > >You also need your certification card and log book. > >Do we want to meet somewhere so we can all drive up together, or would >people rather just have directions and fend for themselves? > >-Dave >  1,, Summary-line: 28-Jul to: rocky@dimins.com, dan #Lake dive this weekend Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18634; Wed, 28 Jul 99 17:54:38 EDT Received: from CHARON.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23768; Wed, 28 Jul 99 17:54:26 EDT Received: (from opus@localhost) by charon.MIT.EDU (8.7.6/2.3JIK) id RAA05476; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:54:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:54:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199907282154.RAA05476@charon.MIT.EDU> From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: rocky@dimins.com, dan@mendyke.com, mike@mendyke.com, goodmanj@MIT.EDU, bjaspan@intermute.com, jcb@MIT.EDU Subject: Lake dive this weekend *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:54:35 -0400 From: "David C. Jedlinsky" To: rocky@dimins.com, dan@mendyke.com, mike@mendyke.com, goodmanj@MIT.EDU, bjaspan@intermute.com, jcb@MIT.EDU Subject: Lake dive this weekend Here's some more relevant information, now that the dive time is drawing near. Directions: ----------- Head up Route 3 or 93 past Manchester to Concord. Get off at 393. Go to Epsom Circle, and turn onto Route 28 north. Don't get lost in Alton, keep following 28N. In Wolfeboro, you'll come over a hill with a blinking light; go straight, towards the waterfront. The dive shop will be on the left. You'll have to go past it and turn around in order to drop people and gear off. Then go park in the municipal lot at the train station across the street. The drive should take about 2 hours from my house, or about 3 hours from Boston. Plan to arrive around 8:00, which is when the store opens. There is a dive briefing at 8:30, the boat leaves promptly at 9:00, and you need to have taken care of gear rentals before that. Bring with you: --------------- Personal dive gear Certification card and log book Lunch & drinks Bathing suit Visa/MC/cash Anything else you'll need for spending a day out on and under the water. Contact: -------- Dive Winnipesaukee 603-569-8080 If anyone feels like it, I have the PADI open water training tape at home, which is a good refresher if you haven't been diving for a while. You are all welcome to come up Saturday night, watch the tape (or not), and spend the night here, to avoid some of the driving on Sunday. So far, I believe I'm taking Jason and Rocky in my car. I don't know what any other carpool plans might be. -Dave  1,, Summary-line: 28-Jul goldrich@panix.com #Dover Mikado full score Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21508; Wed, 28 Jul 99 18:10:19 EDT Received: from Luna.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27510; Wed, 28 Jul 99 18:10:06 EDT Received: from Luna (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Luna.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18927; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <379F7E04.3E4B150@panix.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: goldrich@panix.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Fred Goldrich To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Dover Mikado full score Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U) *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: goldrich@panix.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Fred Goldrich To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Dover Mikado full score Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U) I just picked up my copy a few hours ago and wish to take this opportunity to report on what I've found. I was away for a while and don't know if this is the first SavoyNet report on the subject or if others preceded me. The score is 9 x 12, with a typical colorful Dover cover. The title is "W.S. Gilbert / and / Sir Arthur Sullivan / The / Mikado / in Full Score / New Edition By / Carl Simpson / and / Ephraim Hammett Jones." The first few pages contain information on where to rent "com- plete performance material," a table of contents, a preface which says, among other things, "While the present edition is intended as one for practical per- formance instead of a critical edition in the strict sense of the term, great effort has been taken to present a score that is accurate to the composer's intentions." , a listing of the dramatis personae and opening night credits, a plot synopsis, and an instrumentation list. The score itself is very nicely presented, with dialog. I found the optical weight of the engraving a little light for these old tired eyes -- I would have preferred somewhat larger fonts and heavier lines -- but it strikes me on first perusal as a handsome engraving job. There are numerous editorial changes and additions, many pointed to by brackets and footnotes which are conveniently at the bottoms of the pages rather than in their own section. Many slurs have been added, and I can't say that I concur with all of them. It was interesting to see the complete "Were I [!] Not to Ko-Ko Plighted," but discon- certing to read "banjo serenader" and "painted with vigour" with no indication that they are not what Gilbert wrote. I am not enough of a scholar to know where to look for the truly "critical" decisions. I'm sure others will have more to say as the book becomes more widely available; but I imagine all will concur that it's a must-have at $20. -- Fred Goldrich -- Fred Goldrich goldrich@panix.com  1, answered,, Summary-line: 29-Jul rocky@dimins.com #Re: Lake dive this weekend Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA13921; Thu, 29 Jul 99 08:54:54 EDT Received: from di-diver.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA08999; Thu, 29 Jul 99 08:54:41 EDT Received: (from mail@localhost) by sam-sheepdog.dimins.com (8.8.7/8.7.1) id IAA13189 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:59:30 -0400 Received: from unknown(204.215.187.47) by sam-sheepdog.dimins.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013187; Thu, 29 Jul 99 08:59:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990729084944.00a70008@webster.dimins.com> X-Sender: rocky@webster.dimins.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:49:44 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Rocky Cardalisco Subject: Re: Lake dive this weekend In-Reply-To: <199907282154.RAA05476@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: rocky@webster.dimins.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:49:44 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: Rocky Cardalisco Subject: Re: Lake dive this weekend In-Reply-To: <199907282154.RAA05476@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dave, Just to let you know I have to cancel the dive on Sunday. I already called Dive Win... and cancelled Rocky At 05:54 PM 7/28/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Here's some more relevant information, now that the dive time is >drawing near. > >Directions: >----------- >Head up Route 3 or 93 past Manchester to Concord. Get off at 393. Go >to Epsom Circle, and turn onto Route 28 north. Don't get lost in >Alton, keep following 28N. > >In Wolfeboro, you'll come over a hill with a blinking light; go >straight, towards the waterfront. The dive shop will be on the left. >You'll have to go past it and turn around in order to drop people and >gear off. Then go park in the municipal lot at the train station >across the street. > >The drive should take about 2 hours from my house, or about 3 hours >from Boston. Plan to arrive around 8:00, which is when the store >opens. There is a dive briefing at 8:30, the boat leaves promptly at >9:00, and you need to have taken care of gear rentals before that. > >Bring with you: >--------------- >Personal dive gear >Certification card and log book >Lunch & drinks >Bathing suit >Visa/MC/cash >Anything else you'll need for spending a day out on and under the >water. > >Contact: >-------- >Dive Winnipesaukee >603-569-8080 > > >If anyone feels like it, I have the PADI open water training tape at >home, which is a good refresher if you haven't been diving for a >while. You are all welcome to come up Saturday night, watch the tape >(or not), and spend the night here, to avoid some of the driving on >Sunday. > >So far, I believe I'm taking Jason and Rocky in my car. I don't know >what any other carpool plans might be. > >-Dave > > =============================================================== Rocky Cardalisco E-mail: rocky@dimins.com Dimensional Insight Tel: 781-229-9111 111 South Bedford St. Fax: 781-229-9113 Burlington, MA 01803 URL: http://www.dimins.com  1,, Summary-line: 29-Jul pstark@furniture.com #web site of interest as resource Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02644; Thu, 29 Jul 99 10:05:27 EDT Received: from mail1.furniture.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25804; Thu, 29 Jul 99 10:05:28 EDT Received: by mail1.furniture.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <333R305W>; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:02:57 -0400 Message-Id: <210D83C9C26AD211A2020008C74CCBE785BC38@mail1.furniture.com> From: Peter Stark To: "'mlague@cisco.com'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" , "'KatishaL@aol.com'" , "'aallen@welchs.com'" , "'klague@jhancock.com'" , "'ProdStaff@lists.sudburysavoyards.org'" , "'seiler@merl.com'" , "'DonnaRslr@aol.com'" , "'RubenAct@aol.com'" , "'WMKUHLMAN@aol.com'" , "'MABromberg@aol.com'" , "'hands4@world.std.com'" , "'malionek@cove.com'" , "'JaniceDals@mediaone.net'" , "'tpowers@xionics.com'" , "'stoney@sb.org'" Subject: web site of interest as resource Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:02:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: Peter Stark To: "'mlague@cisco.com'" , "'opus@mit.edu'" , "'KatishaL@aol.com'" , "'aallen@welchs.com'" , "'klague@jhancock.com'" , "'ProdStaff@lists.sudburysavoyards.org'" , "'seiler@merl.com'" , "'DonnaRslr@aol.com'" , "'RubenAct@aol.com'" , "'WMKUHLMAN@aol.com'" , "'MABromberg@aol.com'" , "'hands4@world.std.com'" , "'malionek@cove.com'" , "'JaniceDals@mediaone.net'" , "'tpowers@xionics.com'" , "'stoney@sb.org'" Subject: web site of interest as resource Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:02:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.communitytheater.org/ Cheers to all... see you when I get back from Lithuania in a few weeks! If anyone has Donna Kearny (formerly Parry)'s current email address, could someone forward it to me? Thanks. Peter Stark.  1,, Summary-line: 29-Jul davie@MIT.EDU #Re: Crichton Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23024; Thu, 29 Jul 99 21:19:53 EDT Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA28619 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chespirito.mit.edu (CHESPIRITO.MIT.EDU [18.247.1.183]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id VAA19531 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990729212326.009c9750@po10.mit.edu> X-Sender: davie@po10.mit.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:23:26 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: David Euresti Subject: Re: Crichton In-Reply-To: <199907300039.UAA08378@charon.MIT.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" *** EOOH *** X-Sender: davie@po10.mit.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:23:26 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: David Euresti Subject: Re: Crichton In-Reply-To: <199907300039.UAA08378@charon.MIT.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Are you in for next week? You could come to one of our rehearsals and take notes. If that's possible. David At 08:39 PM 7/29/99 -0400, you wrote: > >David, > >We are out of town for almost all the performances of Crichton. The >only day we could tape would be Friday, 8/13. However, unless there >is a brush-up scheduled for the week inbetween, we will not be able to >take notes. This would make for a taping that would, frankly, suck. > >It might be better to find someone who can do justice to the >performance, as we don't feel right just showing up and doing a sloppy >job because we've never seen the show. > >We will be happy to duplicate the tapes for you, of course, if you >find someone to do the recording. > >Is Andrew Sweet directing? If so, perhaps he might be willing to run >the camera. > >-Dave >  1, answered,, Summary-line: 30-Jul martin@idsfa.com #confirmation: diving in Winnipesaukee Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA25965; Fri, 30 Jul 99 09:21:09 EDT Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06485; Fri, 30 Jul 99 09:21:09 EDT Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01193 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:21:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from martin@idsfa.com) Received: from mjaspan.tiac.net (p10.tc11.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.77.139]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA10079 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:21:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martin Jaspan" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: confirmation: diving in Winnipesaukee Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:21:01 -0400 Message-Id: <000001beda8e$5e5cbde0$8b4d3dd1@mjaspan.tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199907291612.MAA07464@charon.MIT.EDU> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 *** EOOH *** From: "Martin Jaspan" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: confirmation: diving in Winnipesaukee Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:21:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199907291612.MAA07464@charon.MIT.EDU> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Thanks! I'm a little confused about gear, though. I thought they have gear available for rental. When I called them, Tom told me that they did not provide gear and that we had to get it elsewhere. Martin > Martin, > > Rocky had to cancel his spot for the dive on Sunday, so I had them put > you in his place; you were third on the waiting list. Please let me > know ASAP if this was ok, as we only have until tonight to cancel if > you don't want to go. > > -Dave  1,, Summary-line: 30-Jul setiadm@ssl.berkeley.edu #SETI@home Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA14133; Fri, 30 Jul 99 17:32:29 EDT Received: from sunspot.ssl.berkeley.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25069; Fri, 30 Jul 99 17:32:34 EDT Received: from milkyway.ssl.berkeley.edu (milkyway.ssl.berkeley.edu [128.32.18.165]) by sunspot.ssl.Berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA09486 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from setiadm@localhost) by milkyway.ssl.berkeley.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id OAA27006 for opus@mit.edu; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:32:27 -0700 (PDT) From: SETI Network Administration Message-Id: <199907302132.OAA27006@milkyway.ssl.berkeley.edu> Subject: SETI@home Apparently-To: *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:32:27 -0700 (PDT) From: SETI Network Administration Subject: SETI@home Apparently-To: Your SETI@home password is 655080408.  1,, Summary-line: 30-Jul PZavon@compuserve.com #Savoynet Dinner - A Report Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26614; Fri, 30 Jul 99 18:51:39 EDT Received: from Luna.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA08544; Fri, 30 Jul 99 18:51:45 EDT Received: from Luna (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Luna.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA04308; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907301840_MC2-7F14-C215@compuserve.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: PZavon@compuserve.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Peter Zavon To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Savoynet Dinner - A Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: PZavon@compuserve.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Peter Zavon To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Savoynet Dinner - A Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum What may well have been the largest gathering of Savoynetters in one physical location happened this evening at a Chinese Restaurant a stone's throw from the Opera House in Buxton. Over beer and tea, chicken and cashews, beef and green peppers, spring rolls, spare ribs and crispy seaweed, 63 certified (and certifiable ?) Savoynetters gathered for dinner and to have a high old time. We took over the entire ground floor of the restaurant, forcing them to serve their more normal customers in what Mr. Bouncer would, no doubt, call The HAttics. If not the largest gathering, it was certainly the gathering from the most distant regions, as those in attendance came from several parts of the United Kingdom, from the US and Canada, and from Australia, and perhaps elsewhere. Jackie Richards has the official list. Perhaps she will post it, if she has not done so already. After a sumptuous dinner which far exceeded the possibilities offered by a plate of macaroni and a rusk, David Duffy moderated an elimination game in which he would call on a table at random and each in turn would have to sing a song from G&S which began with the next letter of the alphabet, or be eliminated from play. As, for example, the first table needed a song beginning with "A", such as "Away, away, My heart's on Fire." The second table needed a song that began with "B",and so forth. Eliminating the letters "Q", "X", and "Z" as being somehow inappropriate for this effort (imagine "Z" being inappropriate for anything!), we made it completely through the alphabet with only one, or perhaps two eliminations, depending on whose rules you applied at any given moment. Following a rousing Hail Poetry, David spoke briefly, acknowledging in particular, the efforts of Ralph MacPhail as central to the current vitality of Savoynet. Marc Shephard spoke, observing that this is a Gilbertian style of topsyturvy reunion. Most reunons are gatherings where you see old friends you have not seen in years. But Savoynet gathers to see people we have never met, but know well and expect to see in the future. Marc also acknowledged the contribution of Bill Venman, the one who actually did what was needed to begin Savoynet, and of Ralph and Bridgewater College, who obtained/provided the technical resources that allowed it to survive and grow. Sam Silver rose to acknowledge the efforts of Bob and Jackie Richards, who organized the dinner, arranged for the Ruddigore t-shirts, and generally kept things moveing smoothly. About this time, Bob Richards announced that the proprietor's daughter, Wing, would have her birthday tomorrow. This resulted in a Savoynet round of "Happy Birthday." Someone who shall remain nameless then pointed out that another member of our party was in the same condition. I suggested that this called for singing the first number in Pirates, given the fact that he has been recently released from his indentures as Savoynet Listmaster. This suggestion was completely drowned in an communal urge to honor him with "Eagle High," conducted by Larry Garvin. A speach was then demanded. Ralph obliged, noting his regret at not being able to be present for or participate in the Savoynet Ruddigore. He must leave Buxton on Saturday, but will stop long enough to see the New D'Oyly Carte perform Pinafore on Sunday. He noted that Saturday is the anniversary of the Pinafore Scene Riots during the original run of the work, when minions of the backers of the Comedy Opera Company tried to capture the sets while a performance was still in progress, the night before the performance rights transfered to D'Oyly Carte's Opera Company. As Jackie collected the money to pay the restaurant (If she is not around tomorrow, look for her in Barbados), we began to leave the restaurant, some for bed and some for the Cabaret. A 'Netter's wrok is never done, I suppose. More later, perhaps. Peter Zavon Penfield, NY [on location in Buxton, Derbyshire, England] PZAVON@Compuserve.com  1,, Summary-line: 30-Jul marc@MIT.EDU #Re: should we submit zephyr? Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07192; Fri, 30 Jul 99 20:32:13 EDT Received: from horowitz.ne.mediaone.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20662; Fri, 30 Jul 99 20:32:15 EDT Received: (from marc@localhost) by horowitz.ne.mediaone.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23237; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:32:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Horowitz To: geer@MIT.EDU Cc: zephyr@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: should we submit zephyr? References: <199907302317.TAA28081@buzzword-bingo.mit.edu> Date: 30 Jul 1999 20:32:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: geer@MIT.EDU's message of "Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:17:24 -0400 (EDT)" Message-Id: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 *** EOOH *** From: Marc Horowitz To: geer@MIT.EDU Cc: zephyr@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: should we submit zephyr? References: <199907302317.TAA28081@buzzword-bingo.mit.edu> Date: 30 Jul 1999 20:32:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: geer@MIT.EDU's message of "Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:17:24 -0400 (EDT)" Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 geer@MIT.EDU writes: >> http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-impp-reqts-01.txt A number of past and current zephyr developers are active in the IMPP effort. We all believe that zephyr is not suitable as is, but we are doing our best to contribute what we have learned, both successful and not, to the group. Marc  1,, Summary-line: 31-Jul dankravetz@juno.com #THE MIKADO in Full Score Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10793; Sat, 31 Jul 99 21:45:32 EDT Received: from Luna.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18891; Sat, 31 Jul 99 21:45:37 EDT Received: from Luna (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Luna.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26318; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19990801.145656.-194639.0.dankravetz@juno.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: dankravetz@juno.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Daniel Kravetz To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: THE MIKADO in Full Score Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: dankravetz@juno.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Daniel Kravetz To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: THE MIKADO in Full Score Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 (Note my new e-mail address. The one I'd been using will automatically forward mail to this one.) The Dover MIKADO score showed up on the shelf at Coliseum Books in New York on Thursday, July 29. Naturally, I grabbed it at first sight and paid full price--something I don't often do. The score is one of the best things to happen to G&S in a long time. Imagine being able to have the most popular musical theater work in world history complete with all the orchestral parts and dialogue in your hands for only $19.95! Dover has been putting out orchestral scores at affordable prices for many years. Most of these are reproduced from older European sources that are no longer protected by copyright. It is therefore most impressive to see that this MIKADO score was created from scratch for Dover and is justifiably copyrighted as an original work in terms of format and editing, yet is no more expensive than other Dover orchestral scores. This may have been risky for the publisher, and I hope this decision is rewarded with ample sales. (It should be noted that the Eulenberg miniature score of THE GONDOLIERS from the early 1980's was a pioneer effort along these lines. I believe it was 15 pounds when it first came out in England, but if it's still in print, it has gone up considerably along with other Eulenberg editions. Dover scores have also gone up in price over the years, but not to as great a degree.) The score is a visual delight. I would tell anyone who wants a MIKADO score for listening to the opera, or for preparing to sing in the opera without needing a piano reduction of the accompaniment, to buy this one for only a little more money than the familiar piano-vocal scores on the market. What about the editorial choices? Well, I don't much care for including music written by anyone other than Sullivan and not presenting a full explanation of who, how and why. I am referring to the fanfare the precedes the Act II finale. I still haven't seen proof that the traditional fanfare at that point was NOT by Sullivan. This is the only really serious goof. Otherwise, the edition is sensibly and reasonably thought out. I would have liked to see Yum-Yum's original "that don't make it right" and "It makes a differenct, don't it?" Dover replaces "don't" with "doesn't" as do many contemporary editions and prodcutions, but unless Gilbert approved of this himself, it don't make it right to say "doesn't," even if "don't " may corrupt impressionable youth with bad grammar. This was not an attempt to duplicate what is being done by Broude Bros. for the critical edition that will be very fascinating for what it reveals about the operas. That has been in preparation for over 20 years and all we have so far is TRIAL BY JURY at $200.00 a copy. If the Dover MIKADO shows what can be done in far less time at one-tenth the retail price, I urge those responsible to go ahead and do all of the G&S operas in this format. Even without the impressive scholarship that is going into the Broude urtext, Dover is a tremendous value at the price. I would urge everyone who has reason to own any score of THE MIKADO to buy this one and any further releases from the same publisher. Congratulations to all involved in this wonderful project. Dan Kravetz Gilbert & Sullivan Society of New York ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.  1,, Summary-line: 2-Aug PZavon@compuserve.com #Buxton 99 - 1 August - Utopia Ulalica! Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22497; Mon, 2 Aug 99 03:51:38 EDT Received: from Luna.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27394; Mon, 2 Aug 99 03:51:45 EDT Received: from Luna (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Luna.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA22184; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908020338_MC2-7F53-6B4B@compuserve.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: PZavon@compuserve.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Peter Zavon To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Buxton 99 - 1 August - Utopia Ulalica! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: PZavon@compuserve.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Peter Zavon To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Buxton 99 - 1 August - Utopia Ulalica! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum On Sunday, rehearsals for the Savoynet Ruddigore began in earnest. Both directors were heard to remark on their delight at being able to advance so far so rapidly - quite beyond their initial expectations. A "Conversation with Philip Potter" was available in the Paxton at 11 am, followed at 2:30 by a concert presentation of "The Emerald Isle." This was Sullivan's last work, completed by Edward German. The chairs at the Paxton were largly filled, and, as usual, the Paxton itself was sitflingly hot in the afternoon, but the performance was well received and Chris Webster was able to sell many copies of his CD reissue of the Prince Consort performance. We also had two millitary bands playing G&S in the afternoon, one at the Bandstand and the other in the Octogon. The highlight of the day was the Trent Opera production of Utopia, Ltd. Last year, Trent gave us Patience set in the 1960's. This year Trent gave a fully traditional performance of Utopia, in a completely non-traditional setting. Compulsive readers might have had an inkling of the unusual setting when they read in the program that "[t]he action takes place on Utopia at some time beyond the Millenium." Others might have guessed when they read the following short paragraphs in the program margin at the cast list: "The British flag has flown in many countries all over this globe. The Colonies and subsequently the Commonwealth have sought to bring the British way of democracy to many nations. Often this was brought about by force, but sometimes by request. "Who is to say from where and when the next request may come!" Missing those clues however, most would have suspected something when the first 9 notes of the Star Trek (Original series) theme music were sounded just before the Overture began. The performance itself was your usual, run-of-the-mill, smashingly good performance. But with performers such as Stephen Godward (as Paramount), Nick Sales (as Fitzbattleaxe), and Deborah Norman (as Zara), nothing less would be expected. Despite the setting on Planet Utopia, somewhere far, far, away, Sullivan's score was performed just as it has been handed down to us, and Gilbert's libretto suffered changes to only about 30 words, most of them unobtrusive yet quite humorous. [I thought the rewording of "There's a little group of isles.." to "There's a planet somewhere beyond the Milky Way..." was heavy handed and poorly thought out. But perhaps it was the last item addressed and done under pressure of time.] The inhabitants of Utopia look very much like humans. The males are totally bald, with cone-shaped heads (except Royalty, who have round heads) and ears that look very much like those from the planet Vulcan. The women have long flowing locks of metalic, silver hair, very similar in appearance to the aluminum tinsel we drape on Christmas trees. The native dress of the Utopians is in the metalic, pseudo-Egyptian style favored by Glen Larson (the Hollywood producer of Battlestar Galactica and other epics) as futuristic dress implying the reality of "Pyramid Power." Lady Sophy wore a completely blue outfit in the first act - blue hat; blue, pleated skirt and blouse; and blue shoes. Knowledgable observers (I am not one in this case) told me she was the image of Maua Lipman and the voice of Prunella Scales. [Pardon the spelling of names; I received this information verbally and am not a viewer of Faulty Towers.] I thought the blue theme might be suggestive of her "blue blood." Princess Zara entered wearing clothes and the hair style suggestive of Princess Leia in the first Star wars movie (1977). The Life Guards were costumed in a manner suggestive of the Ghost Busters. The set was spare, with a ramp/platform around the periphery and curved, futuristic furniture placed when and as needed. A diffuse galaxy was visible in the distance during the fist act. In the second act, upstage center was dominated by what some saw as the Obilisk from 2001: A Space Odyssey, with five colored moons visible in the sky. This Obilisk also served as the location of a "transporter" room from which appeard the Flowers of Progress for the Cabinet Council meeting. The five notes of Alien cmmunication from "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" were sounded as the transporter room door opened to reveal the seated Flowers. When they "brought their chairs forward," the entire room moved forward. The libretto received very few changes, and many of those would have been made in a traditional setting, as well. We had, for example, "Bold Space Ranger" rather than "Bold-faced Ranger." On the otherhand, the comic opera the King had written was called "King Euro, or a Good Deal Less than Half a Dollar." The Palace Peeper as read by Lady Sophy reported that the King was seen dancing with the SecondHousemaid on the "last platform of the Mir Space Station." All in all, an excellent performance with a memorable setting that did not distract excessively. After the performance, we repaired to the Pavilion Gardens for the traditional Cabaret. I, however, found it necessary to return to the Hotel with the satisfying feeling that my duty had been done. Peter Zavon Penfield, NY [on location in Buxton, Derbyshire, England] PZAVON@Compuserve.com  1,, Summary-line: 3-Aug dcltdw@MIT.EDU #name change... Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10840; Tue, 3 Aug 99 10:09:23 EDT Received: from TLA.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16388; Tue, 3 Aug 99 10:09:02 EDT Received: from dcltdw@localhost by tla.MIT.EDU (8.8.7/4.7.5) id KAA04803; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:09:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:09:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199908031409.KAA04803@tla.MIT.EDU> From: David C Leung To: dcltdw@MIT.EDU Cc: alyse@MIT.EDU Subject: name change... *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:09:13 -0400 From: David C Leung To: dcltdw@MIT.EDU Cc: alyse@MIT.EDU Subject: name change... As some of you may have already heard, alyse and I are both changing our last names to 'Leung', which is Chinese for 'dragon' and has all sorts of good associations with it (wisdom, humor, longevity, etc) that are not necessarily reflective of the two of us (alyse yes, dave no). :) At any rate, my MIT username has changed as well, although dcctdw@mit.edu will still work until the day some frosh comes in and picks 'dcctdw' as his/her username, at which point, they will be summarily pummeled by a horde of rabbits. :) dave  1,, Summary-line: 3-Aug oakapple2@yahoo.com #SavoyNet Symposium Paper Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19488; Tue, 3 Aug 99 17:06:41 EDT Received: from Luna.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05706; Tue, 3 Aug 99 17:06:27 EDT Received: from Luna (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Luna.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA10474; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19990803210442.27549.rocketmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: SavoyNet Symposium Paper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by Luna.bridgewater.edu id RAA10474 *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: SavoyNet Symposium Paper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by Luna.bridgewater.edu id RAA10474 I promised I would post the paper I gave at the symposium in Buxton=20 last Thursday, and here it is: * * * * These days, it seems we can't go anywhere without hearing about the Internet. But, six years ago, when the Internet was still a relatively well kept secret, a hearty band of about twenty souls started SavoyNet, an email forum for discussions about G&S and related topics. Membership in SavoyNet has now grown to somewhere between four and five hundred people, so I guess you could say that we have been successful. SavoyNet is what we call "an unmoderated email discussion list." What that means, is that we talk about whatever interests the members on any particular day, as long as it is at least tenuously related to Gilbert and Sullivan. Technically speaking, the way it works is that members who wish to speak post an email message to a well-known central address, whereupon the message is automatically distributed to the other 4-500 members. Often, a message prompts discussion from others on the list who wish to agree, disagree, or just build upon what the first person has said. These discussions, which we call "threads," can last anywhere from a few hours to a few weeks, and there are usually several of them going on at any given time. A thread ends simply when no one wants to talk about it any more. By the way, not all of the 4-500 SavoyNetters actively participate. Many just read. In Internet lingo, those who do that are called "lurkers." There is nothing, aside from peer pressure, to prevent a SavoyNetter from veering off into a truly unrelated topic, such as politics, sex, religion, or the death of their pet dog. Fortunately, such diversions are, by Internet standards, comparatively infrequent; but, for some people, it is still too often. Email discourse also carries certain other well known hazards, such as the tendency for people to make harsh, unyielding, over-broad statements that they probably would never utter in person. Such is the nature of the beast. Because the internet is constantly growing, SavoyNet always has new members who are unaware of the discussions that have gone before. It is inevitable that certain topics, like the changing of the seasons, will come back on a regular schedule. Someone will say, "What do you all think of UTOPIA LIMITED? It's my favorite opera," and the group is treated to many of the same pros and cons of UTOPIA LIMITED that were raised the last time the question came up. Perhaps some new points will be made, but I know that some members find it tedious to go over the same ground again. I do not want to overstate the importance of SavoyNet, but it has certainly provided a number of salutary benefits. For example, the discoverers of "Reflect, my child," the newly found duet from H.M.S. PINAFORE that has its premiere this afternoon, met each other on SavoyNet. A week from today, members of SavoyNet will give a fully-staged performance of RUDDIGORE that was conceived, planned, and cast over the internet, with the participants meeting in person for the first time only this week. Chris Webster, whom some of you may know, has started his own record label and has published on CD several important historical recordings that the mainstream publishers would have regarded as too specialized to bother with. While Chris does not sell to Internet buyers exclusively, I doubt that he would have found critical mass for his endeavors, were it not for SavoyNet. Two very large and substantial web sites have grown out of SavoyNet: the Gilbert and Sullivan Archive and my own site, the Gilbert and Sullivan Discography. These sites contain a wealth of on-line information that is available nowhere else, and while they attract many visitors who are not SavoyNetters, they would not have come about without SavoyNet. Thanks to SavoyNet, news from the G&S world spreads quickly. When the D=92Oyly Carte Opera Company opened PIRATES last Christmas on the West End, several substantive reviews were on SavoyNet within a day or two. When Bruce Miller and Helga Perry discovered the lost duet from PINAFORE, members of SavoyNet were first to know. If past years are any guide, summaries and reviews of the events at this Festival will probably be posted to SavoyNet just about every day. I will be leaving England myself on Monday, with nearly two weeks of the Festival yet to go. SavoyNet will help me feel like I am still here. On a personal level, I have made a number of new friends whom I met on SavoyNet, and I know that this is true of many other members, as well. We have yet to see the first SavoyNet wedding, but in due time I'm sure it will happen. At the same time, I am the first to say that SavoyNet is not for everybody. Some avid and enthusiastic G&S fans have been members for a while, and departed for a variety of reasons. SavoyNetters post, on average, about fifty messages per day. Not all of them are profound, and it requires some effort to winnow the wheat from the chaff. Then too, SavoyNet's charter is broad, and many legitimate discussion topics do not appeal to all members. For example, a high percentage of the active SavoyNetters have performing backgrounds, and many of the messages concern the anecdotes and misadventures of amateur companies and their productions. I happen to know that some SavoyNet readers do not find these types of posts particularly stimulating. Nevertheless, SavoyNet has grown steadily over its five-year existence, and I have no reason to doubt that that trend will continue. Perhaps we will even gain a few members as a result of my talk here today. I have distributed a handout that explains how to join, and we welcome your participation. I want to say, briefly, a word of thanks to Ralph MacPhail, who is here today. Ralph is a professor of theatre at Bridgewater College in Bridgewater, Virginia. Bridgewater is the host institution for SavoyNet, and for most of the last five years, Bridgewater has provided the stable and dependable technology that has allowed SavoyNet to exist. Ralph himself served as "list master" of SavoyNet for several years before handing that duty off to me late last year. I appreciate your attention, and if you have any questions, feel free to see me afterwards. Thank you. =3D=3D=3D Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com  1,, Summary-line: 3-Aug PZavon@compuserve.com #Buxton 99 - 3 Aug - Mikado Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07408; Tue, 3 Aug 99 18:18:12 EDT Received: from Luna.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01876; Tue, 3 Aug 99 18:17:59 EDT Received: from Luna (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Luna.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA12155; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908031806_MC2-7F9F-836@compuserve.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: PZavon@compuserve.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Peter Zavon To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Buxton 99 - 3 Aug - Mikado Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: PZavon@compuserve.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Peter Zavon To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Buxton 99 - 3 Aug - Mikado Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum International Festivals such as the one here in Buxton are appropriate venues for historical reconstructions and we had a very good one tonight when the Savoy Singers, from Camberly, gave us the Mikado. Sets, costumes and props were pure D'Oyly Carte of the 1960's vintage. The first act blocking was also D'Oyly Carte of that period. The second act was mostly D'Oyly Carte but diverged in a few places, mostly, I think due to the capabilities of specific cast members. For example, Ken Boon as Ko-Ko did not attempt some of the more energetic dance routines that have been associated with Ko-Ko during the Martyn Green and John Reed eras. Mr. Boon is a very large person and perhaps not a supple a dancer; I had the feeling he would not have carried it of had he tried. Likewise, Andrew Few as the Mikado did not attempt the leaking-steam-boiler laugh that many people have identified with that part. The only modernization I noticed was the presence of a digital calculator to assist the line "At that rate, this interview has already lasted four hours and three quarters." The List song had a few alterations, but was mostly delivered as written; and even Nanki-Poo's address when he had "gone abroad" remained "Knightbridge." Although there were a few missed lines, most unfortunately a case where Andrew Few as the Mikado blanked totally at the beginning of his second verse and had to be prompted from the pit, voices and dramatic presentation were generally good to excellent. Had the Opera House been a bit cooler, I would have thoroughly enjoyed the performance. As an aside, Camberly was the residence of the young Arthur Sullivan when his father was Band Master at the Royal Military Academy. The house where they lived was torn down just a couple of years ago, and the site is now occupied by a McDonalds Restaurant. The County Council is apparently in negotiations with McDonalds Corporation for installation of a plaque memorializing the site. ------------------ Rehearsals for the Savoynet Ruddigore continued today up to the stroke of six pm. We are now at the stage of addressing details, and this sometimes takes longer than expected, so the plan as laid out in the morning was not completely met by the end of the day. We _have_ completed a first run through, and both David and Larry have pronounced themselves more than satisfied with it, as a first run through. They, of course, saw many things that still need to be addressed. I think we have a good chance of putting some polish on the product before the day is out tomorrow. Then we still have one day for Dress Rehearsal, Technical Rehearsal, and the final Panic. Plans are also well in hand for the Savoynet Caberet. --------------------- It was overcast all day, and rained lightly several times, cooling the air generally. But don' even _think_ that we might have a half-way comfortable Opera House for our performance. Peter Zavon Penfield, NY [on location in Buxton, Derbyshire, England] PZAVON@Compuserve.com  1,, Summary-line: 3-Aug martin@idsfa.com #RE: Laser pointer Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07699; Tue, 3 Aug 99 21:58:51 EDT Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10518; Tue, 3 Aug 99 21:58:38 EDT Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16722 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:58:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from martin@idsfa.com) Received: from mjaspan.tiac.net (p108.tc2.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.237]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA00239 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:58:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martin Jaspan" To: "David C. 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Sounds like a Dave thing. :o) W I R E D N E W S - - - - - - - - - - Roller Coaster Hits a New High by Debbi Gardiner If you thought building the first roller coaster at Coney Island was tough, try creating one to thrill the Nintendo generation. "We've seen fantastic advances in computer-generated special effects, and people's expectations of what they have seen in that world have grown geometrically," said Anthony Esperaza, project manager at Paramount's Great America. "Because your senses are blown away by what you see on MTV, now in the real world, people are craving a similar high." Great America, located in Santa Clara, California, is using the latest design and engineering technology to build a ride that meets the expectations of the desensitized generation of thrill seekers. The revolutionary (and as-yet-unnamed) roller coaster will shoot its passengers through the air at up to 50 mph. It was designed by Vekoma International, a Dutch company that has also built coasters for Disneyland Paris, Universal Studios Florida, and Blackpool Pleasure Beach in England. Vekoma's designers wanted to tap into the human fancy for flying, so they created this coaster, codenamed Project Stealth, where the track is above the rider, with only earth (and some restraints) below. The coaster is currently under construction and is expected to open in March 2000. Having the freedom to dive, swoop, and swirl around is what makes this ride special, said Esperaza. "You don't see the mechanics. You don't see the ride, which gives the sensation that there's nothing between you and the ground," said Esperaza, comparing it to wearing a jet pack. "Throughout a ride taking you through a 66-foot vertical loop, a double-inversion corkscrew, and a horseshoe inverting of the track to 110 degrees ... the track is attached to your back. It feels like the chair is no longer there." Bodies are hurled at up to 4.7Gs of force, causing a much stronger sensation than standard roller coasters, which exert about 2Gs of pressure, according to Tim Chanaud, spokesman for Great America. (One G is equal to the force of earth's gravity.) "The real challenge lay in allowing the passengers to withstand high G-force pressures without any harm," said Rombout d'Aumerie, Vekoma's project manager. Scott Rutherford, East Coast editor of Amusement Today, a monthly trade newspaper for the amusement and water-park industry, said Great America's new design is a revolutionary prototype. "This has never been done before. Basically you are hanging, a la Superman," Rutherford said. "This is the first time that your body has been this free." Vekoma developed software that analyzes the positive and negative G-forces along with the position of the body and the coaster vehicle at every location along the track to ensure maximum enjoyment and safety. The software was used to specify the coordinates for bending the tracks and the custom-manufacture and welding of the supporting pipes and columns. The custom construction materials provided the breakthrough that enables the ride to flip passengers from their backs to their stomachs, according to d'Aumerie. The challenge of the design was to find a way for the average park visitor to withstand the G-force without harm, he said. Vekoma put a substantial portion of the ergonomic design of the car into the special harness-restraint system. Chanaud said using PC software to design the roller coaster was also an innovative step. "Until a few years ago, most roller coasters were designed the old-fashioned way, on pen and paper," he said. "But as manufacturers are trying to come up with new ways to create bigger thrills, the computer software required to design coasters has become more elaborate, more sophisticated, and more detailed." Kristie Vonne, public relations coordinator at Six Flags Marine World in nearby Vallejo, said her park, which competes with Great America in the Bay Area, is grateful that modern thrill rides have been able to keep up with the videogaming world. Marine World operated strictly as an oceanarium for 30 years, but the splashes in the sun "just didn't cut it," said Vonne. When a new operator took over and brought in thrill rides, attendance skyrocketed 66 percent and put the struggling park back in the black. Vonne added that Six Flags is working on its own "top secret" technology for rides aimed at wowing speed freaks. But while the roller coaster design war might be on, Gary Slade, publisher of Amusement Today, reckons that the classic wooden roller coaster can still cut it. "Sure, the technology that we have available today allows the theme park industry to achieve thrills that we have never dreamed of before. The ride at Paramount at Great America is one of those new coasters that fits into the advanced technological side of the industry. But, the mom-and-pop parks have also seen a large increase in attendance over the past five years, said Slade. "The whole industry is thriving, from the big guys to the little guys." Related Wired Links: 'Meteorite' Lands in Germany Motion-Simulator Merger is Very Real Have a comment on this article? Send it. - - - - - - - - - - W I R E D N E W S Wired News is a real-time news service offering news briefs and in-depth reporting on politics, business, culture, and technology. For the most up-to-date coverage on the digital world, go to ... http://www.wired.com/news/ You are receiving this email because a friend or acquaintance sent it to you. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, please contact the sender, and not Wired News. Copyright 1999 Wired Digital, Inc.  1,, Summary-line: 4-Aug dennisj@charter-ne.com #Re: Batteries Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA17875; Wed, 4 Aug 99 21:22:07 EDT Received: from tics1.charter-ne.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24457; Wed, 4 Aug 99 21:22:14 EDT Received: from tics5.charter-ne.com (tics5.charter-ne.com [208.233.119.39]) by tics1.charter-ne.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01533 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:13:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dennisj@charter-ne.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by tics5.charter-ne.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16239; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:13:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dennisj@charter-ne.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908050113.VAA16239@tics5.charter-ne.com> Subject: Re: Batteries To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: "dennis jedlinsky" Reply-To: "dennis jedlinsky" Cc: Organization: Charter Communications *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Batteries To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: "dennis jedlinsky" Reply-To: "dennis jedlinsky" Cc: Organization: Charter Communications BJs or Costco is probably as good as anything for this quantity. The wholesalers wouldnt care about this small amount. I can get them at the Duracell Co store but there is a limit of a hundred or so per month. Do you want me to pull some strings? I know the guy who runs the store & I might be able to get 450 for you. What is the lowest price you can get at BJs? If I can beat it I'll let you know. On 30-Jul-99, David C. Jedlinsky wrote: Hi Dad. I called Cindy; she seemed pretty calm considering. Do you know where Ruth's company could buy 450 C size batteries, perhaps in bulk at a reduced rate? Or would we be best off cleaning out BJ's supply? Thanks, -Dave  1,, Summary-line: 5-Aug rac@bu.edu #Re: [Mail Delivery Subsystem: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: goddess.sky: host not found)] Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21318; Thu, 5 Aug 99 12:23:31 EDT Received: from ACS4.BU.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17708; Thu, 5 Aug 99 12:23:38 EDT Received: from localhost (rac@localhost) by acs4.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0.ACS)/) with SMTP id MAA125492 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:23:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:23:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: [Mail Delivery Subsystem: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: goddess.sky: host not found)] In-Reply-To: <199908051611.MAA20766@charon.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:23:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rebecca A. Consentino" To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: [Mail Delivery Subsystem: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: goddess.sky: host not found)] In-Reply-To: <199908051611.MAA20766@charon.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >So how is everything going? Have you made any progess on those video > >clips? > > Um, no. I'll try to get it done next week. Ok, just let me know! > >Becca > >who thinks we need to do something fun real soon now. > > Actually, Ruth and I are heading to the airport right now. We're > doing a hit-and-run trip to Ft. Lauderdale for the weekend. Scuba > diving! That sounds like fun! have a good time. :o) > -Dave > who thinks Becca should get certified. Only if we go on non-scary scuba dives. I'm not all that daring, you know. :o) Becca who still thinks we need to do something fun. ideas?  1,, Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09967; Thu, 5 Aug 99 16:24:55 EDT Received: from Luna.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24830; Thu, 5 Aug 99 16:24:40 EDT Received: from Luna (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Luna.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA19231; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19990805201406.9108.rocketmail@web130.yahoomail.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Belated Break-a-Leg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: oakapple2@yahoo.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Marc Shepherd To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Belated Break-a-Leg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum --- "David J. Craven" wrote: > Hopefully some pictures of the set and costumes will show up on a web > site anon. Photos of the productions have been showing up on the Festival website anywhere from 24-48 hours after the end of each show. Of course, with both Bob & Jackie in the show itself, I'm not sure if they'll be shooting from the wings, or if they've delegated photo duties to someone else for tonight. But, one way or another, something'll be there in a day or so. The URL is: http://www.gs-festivals.freeserve.co.uk/buxton99/ === Marc Shepherd Home: oakapple@cris.com Work: marc.shepherd@ssmb.com _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com  1,, Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AB15128; Fri, 6 Aug 99 20:36:19 EDT Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02916; Fri, 6 Aug 99 20:36:27 EDT Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) id <01JEGKTFKBCM93CGUO@delphi.com> for gsp@mit.edu; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:34:22 EDT Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 20:34:22 -0400 (EDT) From: JEANJAY@delphi.com Subject: two requests To: gsp@MIT.EDU Message-Id: <01JEGKTFKBCO93CGUO@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: INTERNET"gsp@mit.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 20:34:22 -0400 (EDT) From: JEANJAY@delphi.com Subject: two requests To: gsp@MIT.EDU X-Vms-To: INTERNET"gsp@mit.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII 1) Could someone direct me to the person in charge of all the gsp-lists? I'm changing my email address to jeanjay@world.std.com. 2) Could someone give me contact info (preferably including snailmail) for Barry Singer? I have music I need to return to him. Jay Lane (this address will still work for awhile...)  1,, Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05944; Sat, 7 Aug 99 20:58:57 EDT Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15048; Sat, 7 Aug 99 20:59:06 EDT Received: from oemcomputer (user-33qtiba.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.201.106]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA24029 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:58:53 -0400 (EDT) From: randrj@mindspring.com Message-Id: <002801bee13a$2c5d0900$03000004@oemcomputer> To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Hi dave and ruth Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:05:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 *** EOOH *** From: randrj@mindspring.com To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Hi dave and ruth Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:05:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Hi there Rebecca told me that you wanted to see Rob and me while we were in MA. I didn't think you wanted to drive that far to see us, so I didn't try to contact you. Sorry. We just watched the Annie video from Emmanuel. Did you guys tape it? Too bad we didn't get to attend the show. Watching the tape is never like the live show. Bye, Rachel  1,, Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA14267; Thu, 12 Aug 99 23:18:40 EDT Received: from orchard.epilogue.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA09685; Thu, 12 Aug 99 23:18:53 EDT Received: from orchard.arlington.ma.us (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by orchard.arlington.ma.us (8.8.8/1.34) with ESMTP id DAA28717 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:18:38 GMT Message-Id: <199908130318.DAA28717@orchard.arlington.ma.us> To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: change of work address... Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:18:38 -0400 From: Bill Sommerfeld *** EOOH *** To: dinner@MIT.EDU Subject: change of work address... Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:18:38 -0400 From: Bill Sommerfeld As of last week, my work address moved from Wakefield to south Nashua.. (same employer, just consolidated with another group previously from north nashua into a larger office..). Bill Sommerfeld Integrated Systems, Inc. 1 Tara Boulevard, Suite 403 Nashua NH 03062 Phone: +1 603 897 2060 I'm rapidly becoming reacquainted with the, umm, joys, of rt 3 ... - Bill  1,, Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07582; Fri, 13 Aug 99 13:09:28 EDT Received: from TLA.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06749; Fri, 13 Aug 99 13:09:41 EDT From: dcltdw@MIT.EDU Received: from dcltdw@localhost by tla.MIT.EDU (8.8.7/4.7.5) id NAA12567; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:04:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199908131704.NAA12567@tla.MIT.EDU> To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: job ops In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:30:46 EDT." <199908131630.MAA27060@charon.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:04:25 EDT *** EOOH *** From: dcltdw@MIT.EDU To: "David C. Jedlinsky" Subject: Re: job ops In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:30:46 EDT." <199908131630.MAA27060@charon.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:04:25 EDT Permanent, I think. That might change, of course, in a few weeks. :) dave  1, forwarded,, Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA28649; Wed, 18 Aug 99 07:27:51 EDT Received: from Luna.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA09382; Wed, 18 Aug 99 07:27:48 EDT Received: from Luna (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Luna.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA19939; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <003f01bee96b$608edb20$904695c1@oemcomputer> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: dduffey@argonet.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "David Duffey" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Buxton travel and lodging Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: dduffey@argonet.co.uk Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "David Duffey" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Buxton travel and lodging Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 >One place to avoid is the Devonshire Arms, Another to avoid is The Victorian Guest House, on Broad Walk. Although wonderfully convenient in terms of location it came to be known to its inmates as The Hammer House of Horrors, due mainly to the personality of its owner. Mayhap some diaries will recount the saga. It did not spoil our time in Buxton, but did provide some awkward moments which all who were there could well have done without. The whole Buxton experience would have been even more pleasant had the lady in question even remotely approached the welcoming attitude we found in just about every other person with whom we had commercial dealing in the town. David  1,, Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07645; Wed, 18 Aug 99 13:37:52 EDT Received: from di-diver.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03370; Wed, 18 Aug 99 13:37:23 EDT Received: (from mail@localhost) by sam-sheepdog.dimins.com (8.8.7/8.7.1) id NAA06711 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:36:55 -0400 Received: from dizzy-devil.dimins.com(204.215.187.16) by sam-sheepdog.dimins.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006700; Wed, 18 Aug 99 13:36:31 -0400 X-Sender: rls@204.215.187.3 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:36:13 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: rls@dimins.com (Ruth Jedlinsky) Subject: Re: [David Duffey: Re: Buxton travel and lodging] *** EOOH *** X-Sender: rls@204.215.187.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:36:13 -0400 To: "David C. Jedlinsky" From: rls@dimins.com (Ruth Jedlinsky) Subject: Re: [David Duffey: Re: Buxton travel and lodging] I believe so. But if you're going to enter it so you don't book it, worst case put a note into the address book entry. Ruth At 12:47 PM 8/18/99, David C. Jedlinsky wrote: >Does TravelTracker have the ability to store negative information >about places, so you don't accidentally book it sometime in the >future? > >-Dave > >------- Forwarded Message > >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:27:46 -0400 (EDT) >Reply-To: dduffey@argonet.co.uk >Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu >Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: "David Duffey" >To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET >Subject: Re: Buxton travel and lodging >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas >X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 > > > >>One place to avoid is the Devonshire Arms, > >Another to avoid is The Victorian Guest House, on Broad Walk. > >Although wonderfully convenient in terms of location it came to be known to >its inmates as The Hammer House of Horrors, due mainly to the personality of >its owner. Mayhap some diaries will recount the saga. It did not spoil our >time in Buxton, but did provide some awkward moments which all who were >there could well have done without. The whole Buxton experience would have >been even more pleasant had the lady in question even remotely approached >the welcoming attitude we found in just about every other person with whom >we had commercial dealing in the town. > >David > > >------- End Forwarded Message  1,, Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16407; Wed, 18 Aug 99 20:34:52 EDT Received: from Luna.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA29118; Wed, 18 Aug 99 20:34:49 EDT Received: from Luna (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Luna.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20689; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <00f301bee9d9$55571ce0$42986fd4@oemcomputer> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: sharkli@sharkli.netlineuk.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "sharkli" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Buxton travel and lodging Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: sharkli@sharkli.netlineuk.net Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: "sharkli" To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: Re: Buxton travel and lodging Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 And another guest house that gets the thumbs down is the Lakenham, with its surly and off-hand proprietors who behaved as if everything were too much trouble - real "more than my job's worth" types. I've subsequently learned that this place used to be good, but since the proprietor's husband died the standards have been going down. Among other things, the room had some extremely dodgy electric wiring (including 2 appliances wired into the same plug), and a fridge with an ice compartment which looked as if it hadn't been cleaned out for months (when I asked the landlady about this, she said it wasn't her responsibility to see to the fridge and its contents). The landlady also tried to overcharge me. Helga J. Perry sharkli@sharkli.netlineuk.net  1,, Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08426; Wed, 18 Aug 99 23:47:21 EDT Received: from Luna.Bridgewater.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27098; Wed, 18 Aug 99 23:47:18 EDT Received: from Luna (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Luna.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA24520; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990818233104.0084bc90@mail.interlog.com> Errors-To: savoynet-owner@bridgewater.edu Reply-To: oris@interlog.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ori Siegel To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: TORONTO SINGOUT UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: oris@interlog.com Originator: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Sender: savoynet@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ori Siegel To: Multiple recipients of list SAVOYNET Subject: TORONTO SINGOUT UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0d -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Gilbert and Sullivan Forum X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Hi to all, There have been a couple of comments made on the list (as well as some private communications) about the overlap of next year's Buxton G&S Festival and the T2K Singout. Although it is a pity they will overlap, it really doesn't affect one or the other. Those 'Netters who would have liked to have participated in both will surely enjoy just the one they do attend. Those who attend only part of the Buxton Festival and manage to get to Toronto as well will be required to regale us with tales of G&S at the Opera House! Other news: Organization is moving along at a very slow pace right now due to vacations and such. Although there have yet to be contracts signed, the dates are firm. Arrangements are being made with local hostelry for accomodations. One stumble has been the web site. The person who was to design it was not able to do so due to illness in her family which required her to spend a lot of time shuttling back and forth between here and Prince Rupert, British Columbia (that's a 6000 mile round-trip shuttle, by the way). Not a big setback for us, really, though it does mean that yours truly is going to have to learn html stuff in a hurry! Would anyone care to donate some G&S caricatures for the site? Otherwise, all is chugging along. I hope everyone is thinking about what role they'd like to do next summer. We've already had a couple offers of complete shows but as of yet, no decisions have been made. I will keep you informed! cheers, Ori VA3ORI Toronto, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------------------------- ****Toronto: the place to be in August, 2000!**** *** G&S T2K: Singout, Eh? *** **** August 18-19-20 **** -------------------------------------------------