Dealing with d13C budget in the new version Here is a schematic for how d13C can be inserted into the paper. It will take putting text into many of the existing sections. -In the introduction I think it is OK to eliminate the T/S plot figure from the paper. However, it is important that we define a `conservative' tracer here as any scaler that can only change its value by exchange at the boundaries and mixing in the interior. We can then point out that mixing will either be across or along isopycnals. This will seem trivial to the reader at this point, but will become very important in the Methods section. I think this will get the reader used to the idea that d18O-calcite can be its own tracer, independent of temperature, d18O-water, or salinity. Getting people to accept the idea that they don't have to divide d18O into its various parts has been one of the sticking points when I give this as a talk. -We can derive the oxygen and carbon isotope budgets in the Methods section as we do now, but we need to explicitly point out that these ignore along isopycnal mixing and refer folks to the Appendix. By the way, we never evaluate equation (8) in the appendix to show that diapycnal fluxes dominate over along isopycnal fluxes, though we promise to do this in a separate section. This is important because we rely on it not to be true for the LGM d13C data coming up. -If we are not going to use the d13C data to constrain the LGM circulation, I don't think we need to spend a lot of time talking about it in the modern. -The key data analysis part of d13C is the Monte Carlo analysis for Blake and Brazil where the max gradient in d13C does not come out at the same absolute value of d13C for the LGM at the two sites. This is the main clue that something is different for carbon than it is for d18O and we should put this figure back in the paper. One reason we think the d18O budget is robust is that the max gradients both come out at ~4.4‰. -It seems like the right place to insert this analysis of the d13C data is right after we do the same for d18O. We can put terms into the simplified d13C balance and show how far off the two sides of the equation are, and the sign of the imbalance. -There are only two ways that the d18O data can have results that are consistent with our simplified tracer balance but the d13C data do not. The first is the non-conservative (J) term, but as I remember this even has the wrong sign for balancing the above equation. The second way is along isopycnal fluxes. In this case we need to do the calculation for equation (8) in the appendix for both tracers. I suggest we do this directly in the text. -One reason I think the along isopycnal fluxes are greater for d13C than for d18O is that the LGM endmembers for North and South water are much larger for carbon than for oxygen, especially when compared with their modern counterparts. Other interesting things to investigate here are the lack of obvious vertical gradient in d13C for both Blake and Brazil at the LGM, and some discussion of how d18O can have sharp vertical gradients but not along isopycnal gradients.