From: tpao@texas.net (Texas Pagan Awareness Online) Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca Subject: Pagan Family Consumer Alert Date: 5 Apr 1997 09:58:34 GMT Organization: Texas Pagan Awareness Lines: 101 Message-ID: <5i57oa$dek$2@news3.texas.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pmnet01-26.austin.texas.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: altavista alt.pagan:95496 alt.religion.wicca:57145 CyberPatrol is a software created by Microsystems Software that enablesparents to block access to certain material on the Internet. Along with the porn and gratuitously violent sites that are blocked are Pagan sites like ERAL, enviornmental sites like Enviornnet, some gay newsgroups, and quite a bit more that smacks more of discrimination than anything else. Please read the article below, and stop by our web site for the lastest updates on what's up with CyberPatrol. Texas Pagan Awareness Online http://lonestar.texas.net/~lhiannon --------begin article---------- PAGAN FAMILY CONSUMER ALERT by Jeannette K. Waldie Especially with all the hype over cults the last week or so, children and the internet have once again become a hot topic. Many magazines and TV news casts have been talking about a great new software for parents called CyberPatrol. CyberPatrol is made by a Massachusetts company called Microsystems Software, Inc..CyberPatrol is used to manage Internet access, limit the total time spent online and block access to Internet sites that the parent deem inappropriate. The software has gotten rave reviews and is starting to be bundled with both hardware systems and software packages. CyberPatrol, however, has included web sites on their "CyberNot" list (list of banned sites) that raise serious questions about their criteria and how they are applying it. Sites that are currently being restricted include a 130-nation network of environment activists called Environet, a Jewish community guide called The Jewish Bulletin and theanti-censorship archives of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. They are also banning pagan sites such as AMER, ERAL, Alt. Religion.Wicca FAQ site, and many others. WHAT YOU CAN DO: 1. Go to http://www.microsys.com/cybernot and visit the search engine. Enter the URL of your favorite pagan site for your kids. If it shows up, then e-mail Microsystems and tell them they have mis-classified the site. Document everything. Make sure you copy your mail to yourself.Then send copies of all your messages and the site banned to me, Jeannette Waldie at jwaldie@ghg.net. They will be added to lists being compiled by ERAL and The Witches Voice. 2. The CyberNOT Oversight Committee is made up of representatives from a differentorganizations, including the National Organization of Women (NOW), the National Rifle Association (NRA), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People(NAACP), the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) , and Morality in Media. If you belong to any of these organizations, contact them and let them know you feel CyberPatrol is applying their criteria unfairly to pagan web sites. 3. If you use products from any of the following companies, contact them and request that they stop bundling CyberPatrol with their products until they stop mis-classifying alternative religion web sites. Acer America Online Ameritech ANS ASCII ASG AT&T WorldNet Service Aventail Check Point Software Continental Cablevision Internet CompuServe CTI Graphix Zone GTE Internet IBM Prodigy Raptor & Netegrity Scholastic Network Telecom New Zealand Internet The more of us that speak up, the better it will be for all children. As a parent, I am concerned that my children when using any form of media do not see material that is not age appropriate. But it is up to parents to decide what is appropriate, not a software package, especially one that discriminates against alternative religions and thought. From: dschuman@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Lynn Schuman) Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca Subject: CyberPatrol banning pagan sites! Date: 26 Mar 1997 22:39:38 -0700 Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <5hd16q$596@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Earlier today, I read an article someone posted about the browser control software called CyberPatrol. For those of you who don't know what it is, it's a parental/workplace control program that prevents certain sites from being accessed based on a review of their contents by a group of advisors including a Christian minister. The categories which result in sites being banned include alcohol/tobacco, drugs and drug culture, militant/terrorist information, sex education, pornography, nudity, violence... and the following two, which are quoted directly from the CyberPatrol homepage: " Intolerance (graphics or text): Pictures or text advocating prejudice or discrimination against any race, color, national origin, religion, disability or handicap, gender, or sexual orientation. Any picture or text that elevates one group over another. Also includes intolerant jokes or slurs. Satanic/Cult (graphics or text): Pictures or text advocating devil worship, an affinity for evil, or wickedness. Or the advocacy to join a cult. A cult is defined by: A closed society that is headed by a single individual where loyalty is demanded and leaving is punishable." The following pagan sites were banned on the basis of "Satanic/Cult" content by CyberPatrol's advisory group, in blatant violation of their own anti-intolerance stance: Jaz's Pagan Page http://www.cris.com/~boofull/pagan/ What is Wicca? http://www.crc.ricoh.com/~rowanf/COG/iabout.html (Not sure of the titles - a list of those killed in the Burning Times) http://www.primenet.com/~ioseph/burnwitc.htm Another 'Wicca FAQ' type page http://www.cris.com/~goddess/wicca.html And these are just the ones I could think to check right off the top of my head. So, pagan parents, if you're looking to limit your kids' web browsing activities, DO NOT USE THIS PROGRAM! And please, encourage your friends, family, and associates to boycott this Christian software as well. Also, concerned Internet citizens may like to drop a line to susang@microsys.com, a person listed as an address for comments about CyberPatrol and its censorship methods. And those of you who own pagan websites may want to check the CyberNOT list of banned sites via the search engine at http://www.microsys.com/cybernot/default.htm If your site, or a pagan/non-Christian site that you know of, is banned by this software, please email me the URL at this address. I plan to collect a list of sites for reference purposes, which will be made available from my own website. Many thanks, all, and Blessed Be! -- Lynn From: Mary Creasey Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca Subject: Re: CyberPatrol banning pagan sites! Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:32:22 -0800 Organization: Random Factors Lines: 57 Message-ID: <333A9306.1EA9@worldnet.att.net> References: <5hd16q$596@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Lynn Schuman Lynn Schuman wrote: > > Earlier today, I read an article someone posted about the browser > control software called CyberPatrol. > > For those of you who don't know what it is, it's a parental/workplace > control program that prevents certain sites from being accessed based on > a review of their contents by a group of advisors including a Christian > minister. The categories which result in sites being banned include > alcohol/tobacco, drugs and drug culture, militant/terrorist information, > sex education, pornography, nudity, violence... > Jaz's Pagan Page > http://www.cris.com/~boofull/pagan/ > What is Wicca? > http://www.crc.ricoh.com/~rowanf/COG/iabout.html > (Not sure of the titles - a list of those killed in the Burning Times) > http://www.primenet.com/~ioseph/burnwitc.htm > Another 'Wicca FAQ' type page > http://www.cris.com/~goddess/wicca.html > > And these are just the ones I could think to check right off the top of > my head. > > So, pagan parents, if you're looking to limit your kids' web browsing > activities, DO NOT USE THIS PROGRAM! And please, encourage your friends, > family, and associates to boycott this Christian software as well. > > Also, concerned Internet citizens may like to drop a line to > susang@microsys.com, a person listed as an address for comments about > CyberPatrol and its censorship methods. And those of you who own pagan > websites may want to check the CyberNOT list of banned sites via the > search engine at http://www.microsys.com/cybernot/default.htm > > If your site, or a pagan/non-Christian site that you know of, is banned > by this software, please email me the URL at this address. I plan to > collect a list of sites for reference purposes, which will be made > available from my own website. I'm not certain of WHICH screening program it is (there are several, some user-definable)--but I have had more than one person tell me that they couldn't access my online catalog (Random Factors filk music) because the person who hosts my page (Bob Larson aka Blars) also has links to the Camping Bares (a nudist group). (Now that I read your forbidden list, he also has links to the Burning Times list; that's from the Rowanhold Bardic Circle, a Pagan Bardic trad group, and also from Joe Bethancourt's personal homepage.) My catalog URL: http://sundry.hsc.usc.edu/random-factors His homepage: http://sundry.hsc.usc.edu/blars.html [I think] > Many thanks, all, and Blessed Be! -- Lynn You're welcome! Sincerely-- Mary the Filker From: Mary Creasey Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca Subject: Re: CyberPatrol banning pagan sites! Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:47:19 -0800 Organization: Random Factors Lines: 52 Message-ID: <333A9687.606F@worldnet.att.net> References: <5hd16q$596@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lynn Schuman wrote: > > Earlier today, I read an article someone posted about the browser > control software called CyberPatrol. > > For those of you who don't know what it is, it's a parental/workplace > control program that prevents certain sites from being accessed based on > a review of their contents by a group of advisors including a Christian > minister. The categories which result in sites being banned include > alcohol/tobacco, drugs and drug culture, militant/terrorist information, > sex education, pornography, nudity, violence... and the following two, > which are quoted directly from the CyberPatrol homepage: > > The following pagan sites were banned on the basis of "Satanic/Cult" > content by CyberPatrol's advisory group, in blatant violation of their > own anti-intolerance stance: > Jaz's Pagan Page > http://www.cris.com/~boofull/pagan/ > What is Wicca? > http://www.crc.ricoh.com/~rowanf/COG/iabout.html > (Not sure of the titles - a list of those killed in the Burning Times) > http://www.primenet.com/~ioseph/burnwitc.htm > Another 'Wicca FAQ' type page > http://www.cris.com/~goddess/wicca.html > > And these are just the ones I could think to check right off the top of > my head. > > So, pagan parents, if you're looking to limit your kids' web browsing > activities, DO NOT USE THIS PROGRAM! And please, encourage your friends, > family, and associates to boycott this Christian software as well. > > Also, concerned Internet citizens may like to drop a line to > susang@microsys.com, a person listed as an address for comments about > CyberPatrol and its censorship methods. And those of you who own pagan > websites may want to check the CyberNOT list of banned sites via the > search engine at http://www.microsys.com/cybernot/default.htm I did, and I AM banned. A request for review has been sent to them. E-mail of the URL to you is on its way. > If your site, or a pagan/non-Christian site that you know of, is banned > by this software, please email me the URL at this address. I plan to > collect a list of sites for reference purposes, which will be made > available from my own website. Note: THIS should be cross-posted to soc.religion.paganism, as well. Sincerely, Mary the Filker aka Mary Creasey of Random Factors, a filk music dealer From: Mary Creasey Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca Subject: Re: CyberPatrol banning pagan sites! Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:37:24 -0800 Organization: Random Factors Lines: 22 Message-ID: <333ABE64.68BB@worldnet.att.net> References: <5hd16q$596@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <333A9687.606F@worldnet.att.net> <333AADD5.6B81@here.damnyou> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Celeborn wrote: > > Mary Creasey wrote: > > > I did, and I AM banned. A request for review has been sent to them. > > E-mail of the URL to you is on its way. > > > > Note: THIS should be cross-posted to soc.religion.paganism, as well. > > Howzabout posting the URL here as well, since you're on the subject? I posted it in my other reply, but we're at: http://sundry.hsc.usc.edu/random-factors/ which is a subset of the homepages run by Bob Larson, aka "Blars"; other subsets of his are nudist-oriented and at least one link to a Pagan page (second-hand). He's at: http://sundry.hsc.usc.edu/blars.html Sincerely, Mary the Filker aka Mary Creasey of Random Factors, a filk music dealer From: Ray Cochener Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca Subject: Re: CyberPatrol banning pagan sites! Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:12:13 -0600 Organization: Feist Connections Lines: 8 Message-ID: <333AC68D.559@feist.com> References: <5hd16q$596@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <333A9687.606F@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: silveroak@feist.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm... this is a specific company, claiming to be religiously tolerant, banning any site descriminating on the basis of religion, and then they *advertise* that the ban satanic sites. Sounds to me like some satanist organisations have a custom made lawsuit. Pagans should file seperately, on slander charges, since they are not advertising the baning of pagan materials, but are apperently still doing so, indicating that they are spreading false information about us (regarding the contents of web pages) with intent to harm. From: secretive@hotmail.com (Secretive) Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca Subject: Re: CyberPatrol banning pagan sites! Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 09:52:24 GMT Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 86 Message-ID: <5hiol6$66i$1@scramble.lm.com> References: <5hd16q$596@nyx10.cs.du.edu> "C. Mcfarland" wrote: >**slipping out of lurk mode to comment** >First of all, I am NOT saying I agree with it but I wonder if some of the >lockouts of pagan sites are because of the -intolerance- exhibited by some >of the posts, rather than because of being pagan related. A quick review >of just the subject lines of the posts in this group (alt.pagan) gives the >news group an image of hate and intolerance. What one says on a Usenet newsroup is not necessarily how it is worded on the personal home page setting. A news group is a debate/idea exchange and so will be treated as such by the users. But a home page is different (personal ones I am talking about) since these are reflections of the person's personality and ideas ... Most "vanity homepages" I have gone to - wether Pagan or Christian, are generally "hello and welcome to my personal side" thought ..and when dealing with religious thoughts, they usually tag a disclaimer in somewhere that they are by no means an authortarian on the subject and then supply you with a list of links they found of interest or inspiration, wether it be to their religious path or personal hobbies/lifestyle/etc. >I would not allow my children to read these posts unsupervised. In fact, I >would insist on reading the posts before letting kids look at them. In >many cases I've found that the text of the post is not really related to >the subject line because it is a very winding thread that has long ago >left the original subject and no one has ever changed the subject line. >But you can't tell that without looking and the whole point of these >blocking programs is to prevent the parent/supervisor from having to >actually monitor first hand. *sigh* My oldest is 13 years old, and I still monitor her when she is at the computer. But that is my preference and apparently some parents feel that they should let thier kids net surf to the high heavens and so want sites made inaccessible ... thus the CyberPatrol being able to censor sites according to the criteria of their "staff" ... but then again, you hit a nail on the head when you said that one can't tell without looking what is actually there. We had book banning in the past (and present), so the same thought of "protecting the child from what we (not necessarily just the parent, but a "board" of some kind) deem unsuitable for them to see..." and so this has spread to the internet, it was an eventuality since we let the foundation be laid with printed materials way back in t ime. >Banning something because the religious practices professed don't agree >with yours is wrong. A local library here (I believe it is a school one, not sure since it was a short blurb on the news) is pulling books off the library shelves that they (the librarians and a few select parents) have deemed "Unsuitable material" for children/pre-teens/and teens. The list was Halloween themed and fortune telling themed books ("*gasp* these are Satanic and promotes the Occult ... we can't have these type of books fall into the hands of an innocent child...") and then surprisingly, a book on the paintings of Renoir ... I was stumped, I knew that Pagans had a long road to haul in the mainstream religious thoughtforms out there...but what on earth had Renoir done that was so corruptive/bad/Pagan of thought/ etc.???? Not a darn thing ... seems that Mr. Renoir in the eyes of the librarian and some parents did the fatal error of doing some nudes (regardless these are considered masterpieces) and could ruin the child's morals by veiwing these images. Totally unacceptable books to be on a library shelf, they deemed and so they wanted them yanked. Go to the library and see how many books in the children/youth/teen sections are hidden behind others ... and then take a look at the title or possible subject matter of the book to see why it was "hidden" behind other books ... you may be surprised at the censoring process going on. > But many times the sentiments expressed by the >posters to these news groups are 180 degrees off what we claim our beliefs >to be and our way of expressing those sentiments is forceful enough to >give more weight to them than to what we claim as our beliefs. It is no >wonder outsiders are confused. Hmmm ... do have to agree, confusion can lead to misunderstandings. >Just one pagan's opinion. >Catherine >****If you fight fire with fire, everyone gets burned.**** From: "C. Mcfarland" Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca Subject: Re: CyberPatrol banning pagan sites! Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:53:54 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 115 Message-ID: References: <5hd16q$596@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <5hiol6$66i$1@scramble.lm.com> NNTP-Posting-User: cmcfarla In-Reply-To: <5hiol6$66i$1@scramble.lm.com> Actually, I did recognize that the content of most web pages differs greatly from the contents of the news groups; in fact, that is one reason I rarely do more than skim the groups. It seems to me that the percentage of useful information and sensible debate is rather low on the news groups. I prefer web pages for information. Unfortunately, I haven't really found any good (IMHO) places for discussion and debate. I also wasn't trying to defend Cyberpatrol. I was only trying to point out that the reasons some sites may have been banned was not because of the religious content but some other facet of the content or delivery of the content. But I recognized from the start that it probably was the religious content causing the bans. In a way, you might say I was just playing Devil's Advocate *grin*. Seriously, though, the main point I was trying to make is that, based on what outsiders might read here (even just subject lines), I believe that the image we portray of ourselves and our beliefs are exactly what they fear about us. How can they believe (or will they even find) our descriptions of what wicca or paganism is really all about, when our "conversations" sound like we're in a Bizarro world Klan meeting or Fundy tent service? Catherine On Sat, 29 Mar 1997, Secretive wrote: > "C. Mcfarland" wrote: > > >**slipping out of lurk mode to comment** > > >First of all, I am NOT saying I agree with it but I wonder if some of the > >lockouts of pagan sites are because of the -intolerance- exhibited by some > >of the posts, rather than because of being pagan related. A quick review > >of just the subject lines of the posts in this group (alt.pagan) gives the > >news group an image of hate and intolerance. > > What one says on a Usenet newsroup is not necessarily how it is worded > on the personal home page setting. A news group is a debate/idea > exchange and so will be treated as such by the users. But a home page > is different (personal ones I am talking about) since these are > reflections of the person's personality and ideas ... Most "vanity > homepages" I have gone to - wether Pagan or Christian, are generally > "hello and welcome to my personal side" thought ..and when dealing > with religious thoughts, they usually tag a disclaimer in somewhere > that they are by no means an authortarian on the subject and then > supply you with a list of links they found of interest or inspiration, > wether it be to their religious path or personal > hobbies/lifestyle/etc. > > > >I would not allow my children to read these posts unsupervised. In fact, I > >would insist on reading the posts before letting kids look at them. In > >many cases I've found that the text of the post is not really related to > >the subject line because it is a very winding thread that has long ago > >left the original subject and no one has ever changed the subject line. > >But you can't tell that without looking and the whole point of these > >blocking programs is to prevent the parent/supervisor from having to > >actually monitor first hand. > > *sigh* My oldest is 13 years old, and I still monitor her when she is > at the computer. But that is my preference and apparently some parents > feel that they should let thier kids net surf to the high heavens and > so want sites made inaccessible ... thus the CyberPatrol being able to > censor sites according to the criteria of their "staff" ... but then > again, you hit a nail on the head when you said that one can't tell > without looking what is actually there. We had book banning in the > past (and present), so the same thought of "protecting the child from > what we (not necessarily just the parent, but a "board" of some kind) > deem unsuitable for them to see..." and so this has spread to the > internet, it was an eventuality since we let the foundation be laid > with printed materials way back in t ime. > > > > >Banning something because the religious practices professed don't agree > >with yours is wrong. > > A local library here (I believe it is a school one, not sure since it > was a short blurb on the news) is pulling books off the library > shelves that they (the librarians and a few select parents) have > deemed "Unsuitable material" for children/pre-teens/and teens. The > list was Halloween themed and fortune telling themed books ("*gasp* > these are Satanic and promotes the Occult ... we can't have these type > of books fall into the hands of an innocent child...") and then > surprisingly, a book on the paintings of Renoir ... I was stumped, I > knew that Pagans had a long road to haul in the mainstream religious > thoughtforms out there...but what on earth had Renoir done that was so > corruptive/bad/Pagan of thought/ etc.???? Not a darn thing ... seems > that Mr. Renoir in the eyes of the librarian and some parents did the > fatal error of doing some nudes (regardless these are considered > masterpieces) and could ruin the child's morals by veiwing these > images. Totally unacceptable books to be on a library shelf, they > deemed and so they wanted them yanked. Go to the library and see how > many books in the children/youth/teen sections are hidden behind > others ... and then take a look at the title or possible subject > matter of the book to see why it was "hidden" behind other books ... > you may be surprised at the censoring process going on. > > > But many times the sentiments expressed by the > >posters to these news groups are 180 degrees off what we claim our beliefs > >to be and our way of expressing those sentiments is forceful enough to > >give more weight to them than to what we claim as our beliefs. It is no > >wonder outsiders are confused. > > Hmmm ... do have to agree, confusion can lead to misunderstandings. > > >Just one pagan's opinion. > > >Catherine > >****If you fight fire with fire, everyone gets burned.**** > > > > From: Joe Bethancourt Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca Subject: Re: CyberPatrol banning pagan sites! Date: 31 Mar 1997 08:32:17 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Lines: 43 Message-ID: <5hole1$osh@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <5hd16q$596@nyx10.cs.du.edu> X-Posted-By: ioseph@206.165.5.107 (ioseph) Lynn Schuman wrote: : Earlier today, I read an article someone posted about the browser : control software called CyberPatrol. : The following pagan sites were banned on the basis of "Satanic/Cult" : content by CyberPatrol's advisory group, in blatant violation of their : own anti-intolerance stance: : (Not sure of the titles - a list of those killed in the Burning Times) : http://www.primenet.com/~ioseph/burnwitc.htm Recieved this morning: From: SUSAN GETGOOD Subject: re: fwd: formal request for review of blocking actions Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:06:12 -0800 Reply-To: SUSAN GETGOOD Cc: Cyberinf@MICROSYS.COM, DebraG@MICROSYS.COM Thank you for your e-mail. We have re-reviewed your site, http://www.primenet.com/~ioseph and determined that it should not be on the CyberNOT list. It will be removed upon the next build of the list later this week. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Regards Susan Getgood ******* Susan Getgood, Microsystems Software, Inc. 508 879 9000, e-mail susang@microsys.com www.microsys.com / www.cyberpatrol.com -- locksley@locksley.com PO Box 35190 Locksley Plot Systems White Tree Productions Phoenix, AZ 85069 "Do not ascribe your own motivations to others. At best, it will break your heart, at worst, get you dead." song lyrics and much more at mac9.ucc.nau.edu /pub/Misc/SCA/Ioseph tapes at 1-800-TON-WAIL ***** HOMEPAGE AT http://www.locksley.com/locksley ALL unsolicited e-mail advertising is deleted unread. From: dschuman@nyx10.cs.du.edu (David Schuman) Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca Subject: Re: CyberPatrol banning pagan sites! Date: 1 Apr 1997 05:07:38 -0700 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 51 Message-ID: <5hqtqa$ljn@nyx10.cs.du.edu> References: <5hd16q$596@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <5hole1$osh@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> In article <5hole1$osh@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Joe Bethancourt wrote: > >: Earlier today, I read an article someone posted about the browser >: control software called CyberPatrol. > >: The following pagan sites were banned on the basis of "Satanic/Cult" >: content by CyberPatrol's advisory group, in blatant violation of their >: own anti-intolerance stance: > >: (Not sure of the titles - a list of those killed in the Burning Times) >: http://www.primenet.com/~ioseph/burnwitc.htm > >Recieved this morning: > >From: SUSAN GETGOOD >Subject: re: fwd: formal request for review of blocking actions >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:06:12 -0800 >Reply-To: SUSAN GETGOOD >Cc: Cyberinf@MICROSYS.COM, DebraG@MICROSYS.COM > >Thank you for your e-mail. We have re-reviewed your site, >http://www.primenet.com/~ioseph and determined that it should not be on the >CyberNOT list. It will be removed upon the next build of the list later this >week. > >We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. > >Regards >Susan Getgood > >******* >Susan Getgood, Microsystems Software, Inc. >508 879 9000, e-mail susang@microsys.com >www.microsys.com / www.cyberpatrol.com It's a form letter - I got the same thing, word for word. We're being brushed off. But, I have written to every computer mag that's reviewed this hideous product recently, as well as a couple other local publications in Denver. Actually, an article was posted to a mailing list I subscribe to - CP also blocks, of all things... Environet, *THE EFF FREEDOM OF SPEECH ARCHIVES*, and pages on the Jewish community and counselling pages for eating disorders. The frightening thing is that in Boston, the mayor has mandated that CyberPatrol be used on all school and public computers capable of accessing the net. Do we *really* want this kind of arbitrary censorship going on in our schools?