Ponomareva: These days in the course of my work I read a lot of memoirs of rocket designers and leaders of the space program, and I am struck by their attitude toward the development of cosmonautics. For some reason in those days it was believed that cosmonautics would develop at a great pace, that space flights would become regular and routine, that there would be built almost as many spacecraft as aircraft. I cannot figure out how such prominent, intelligent people, who knew all the complexity and the expense of the construction and the use of space technology, could be so were mistaken about the rate of development of space technology. Sergei Pavlovich Korolev [the chief designer of the Soviet space program] and other leaders believed that this technology would advance with seven-league strides. Perhaps their belief has a psychological or sociological explanation, but I cannot explain it. At the end of 1961, Korolev sent a letter, I think, to Nikolai Kamanin [assistant to the deputy Chief Commander of the Air Force in charge of cosmonaut training], in which he wrote that in the near future 60 cosmonauts of various specialties were needed, including 5 women. By then only 20 cosmonauts were being trained. Such were the premises on which our space program developed.
Different authors offer different opinions as to whose idea it was to select women - Korolev's or Kamanin's - but Korolev's letter came earlier than Kamanin made his statements. The space race also played a role here. Competition with the Americans gave a powerful impulse to such rapid development of space technology. In many memoirs one can find the idea that one must not allow lagging behind the Americans in the space program at all costs, especially in manned flights as the most impressive for the masses. At that time in America women tried to make their way into the Mercury program. They had not been invited, but some first-class women pilots began to act on their own. They reached the vice-president with their request to be allowed to participate in the space program. Nothing came out of it, but since the Americans did not hide anything, some publications about this appeared in the press.
Thus the decision to create a women's group was made at the top. Kamanin wrote in his diary that it was necessary to prepare women for space flight for 5-6 months. The women's group was selected in March 1962, and in August he already wanted to have trained cosmonauts and to send them into flight. As usual, the deadlines for the construction of spacecraft were delayed, space suits were not ready, and therefore the preparation of the women's group was extended.
Ponomareva: At that time it was assumed that a cosmonaut could only be someone connected with aviation. At the beginning, they selected only combat pilots, even though later Korolev objected to this idea (he had initially supported it and, quite possibly, he was its author). Women were selected through aviation clubs at the European part of the Soviet Union. They mostly selected sports parachute jumpers, since in the Vostok spacecraft the cosmonaut had to land on a parachute. Parachute jumping is a complex skill, and therefore to train a novice in such a short time is impossible. A group of five was formed: four parachute jumpers of different skill levels and I. I had been trained as a pilot and had only 8 jumps. I was a third category jumper; in comparison to the sports master Irina Solov'eva's 800 jumps, my 8 jumps were nothing. Kamanin wanted to look over the documents of approximately 200 aviation sports women candidates, and he asked the Central Committee of the Voluntary Association for the Advancement of the Army, Aviation, and the Navy to help. They could find only 58, and he was rather disappointed. In his diary he wrote that the Association's Central Committee had done a bad job and that 58 candidates was not enough. At that time, the view that everything connected to cosmonautics must be on a giant scale was typical. From those 58 applications the final 5 were selected.
Ponomareva: In March 1962, we began training at the Cosmonaut Training Center. Then the town [i.e., the Star City] did not exist yet; there were only office buildings. We lived in a rehabilitation center and went through the very same training as did the first men cosmonauts. We were trained to withstand various conditions of space flight: weightlessness, G-loads, and so on.
When we arrived in the Center, we were enrolled as privates of the Soviet Air Force. We found ourselves in a military unit, in which we became an alien part, with our different characters and different concepts. Our commanders had great difficulty dealing with us, since we did not understand the requirements of the service regulations, and we did not understand that orders had to be carried out. Military discipline in general was for us an alien and difficult concept.
Specialists from Korolev's Design Bureau visited us and gave lectures on the Vostok spacecraft. Many of them later became cosmonauts. Specialists from other organizations also gave lectures. Our training was completed by the end of 1962. We passed a State examination. Kamanin, who supervised our training for space flights, came and asked us whether we wanted to become regular officers of the Air Force. This question was definitely too difficult for very young ladies not accustomed to military discipline. We thought it over, talked to the guys from the first group.
By the way, the cosmonauts of the first group, as well as everyone in the military unit, were opposed to the women's group and to a woman's flight. But they all understood that to put a woman into the orbit first was a matter of our prestige and it had to be done. These days reasons of prestige are called into question, but back then such was a popular attitude, not just among the leaders of the space program. Everyone believed that new records must be set.
Despite their opposition to the idea of a woman's flight, the cosmonauts of the first group treated us very well; they cared about us, they helped us, they taught us how to deceive physicians and how to pass tests easier. After consulting with them, we decided that it was necessary to join the staff of the Air Force; it was necessary to be like everybody else.
Running a few steps forward, I will mention that this played an important role in the future fortunes of our group. After Tereshkova's flight the commanders of the Center wanted very much to get rid of us. But the fact that we were regular officers presented an obstacle to such efforts. It was not so easy to get rid of us. Later, however, they found a way, but this first time they failed.
Ponomareva: Yes, under precisely same program. It is well-known that the main tasks for the first flights (Tereshkova's flight was the sixth) were to find out whether people can survive in space and whether they can work there, that is, these were medical and biological tasks. Therefore the main part of training, both in terms of volume and importance, was devoted to medical and biological preparation, that is, preparing the organism to withstand the conditions of space flight. Besides, the influence of these conditions on the organism remained largely unclear and unknown. This is especially true with respect to weightlessness, since most other factors - noise, vibrations, G-loads, isolation (the latter was referred to by the charming name "sensory deprivation") - could be adequately simulated on earth. It is very difficult to simulate weightlessness on earth. Medical and biological training was aimed at preparing the organism to withstand all these conditions. We were also given extensive theoretical training so that we could understand what was going on.
There were many training sessions and tests. With G-loads, it was simple: a centrifuge was used. As it was later discovered, in the beginning they, as usual, overdid it, that is, they put too many Gs. With the first group of men cosmonauts, G-loads reached 12 Gs. For us and for all subsequent groups G-loads were up to 10 Gs. There were two rotations a day. It began with small loads (4-6 Gs), the next day we would get 8, and then other loads according to the diagram of launch and descent. There was much physical training, so that we would have a healthy body for a healthy mind. For weightlessness, so-called "vestibular training" was used. There were many special devices for stimulating and training the vestibular system: rotating chairs, stimulation by electric current, chairs on unstable support, and so on. These devices had probably existed in medical practice for a long time. With these devices, they tried to improve our ability to bear out weightlessness. Real weightlessness was simulated with flights first on fighter planes and later on huge, specially designed flying laboratory. Weightlessness there lasted 20-40 seconds. Just enough time to notice that a pencil sharpener was floating in front of you. When the flying laboratory was made, they started training for specific operations. This happened when preparations for a space walk and for repairs in space were being made. Later on they built a hydropool. A cosmonaut floated in a space suit and performed various operations. But weightlessness in this case is not the same as weightlessness on the orbit. There were also parachute jumps. In our group training these jumps were (privately) considered - not quite seriously, certainly - the most important type of training, because the cosmonaut had to land on a parachute. Besides, they gave theoretical education, gave lectures on rocket technology, astronomy, and navigation - the sciences related to the technical side of the matter. Such was our training, just the same as in the men's group.
Ponomareva: There was a speech test: you had to say something. First, a certain phrase was recorded on earth, and then the same operation was performed during the flight. They checked if weightlessness made any difference. The same thing with writing. There also was a psychological test: we drew spirals, stars, various funny figures - again, first on earth and then in flight. We also tried eating food from a tube.
Gerovitch: Were you asked to turn control knobs in weightlessness to check your functions as an operator?
Ponomareva: No, I was not. I had an impression (and Boris Chertok hints at that in his books) that initially there was no intention to build a manual guidance system for the Vostok spacecraft. It is clear why: this is the first flight; it is not clear what would happen to the pilot; and the weight limits allowed for a completely automatic space ship with back-ups for almost all systems. They fully counted on automatic systems.
Gerovitch: There are many different explanations as to why they rely so much on automation. First, the weight allowed for that; second, as you wrote in your article The Human Factor in Space Exploration: Soviet and American Approaches, rocket engineers had stuck to specific technological traditions of building automatic devices with no human on board.
Ponomareva: The main reason was, I think, the lack of knowledge of what would happen to a human on the orbit. Before the first flight physicians had fears that he would go mad. A human left the Earth for the first time, in outer space there was no input for sensory organs, and other, unknown factors could also kick in. Because of fear for the cosmonaut's state of mind, they put a "logical lock" on the descent engine. A numeric code was kept secret, and it was given to the cosmonaut in a sealed envelope just before the flight. Of course, any secret leaks out pretty fast. Already then we knew that one person had given that code to Gagarin, and from recent memoirs it follows that there were four or five such informants.
Gerovitch: In your book, you also write about another factor - about ideology, about the general Soviet mistrust of an individual.
Ponomareva: We were all very angry. One could understand why they made the Vostok fully automatic. Thank God, they also added a manual guidance system, but it had to be turned on only on the Voskhod. But later, when they began building the Soyuz, their attitude toward the human as a link in the control system remained the same: let automata do everything. We did not have computers back then; everything worked on analog elements. They duplicated, triplicated, and "fourplicated" automatic systems in order not to allow human participation. Perhaps, I am exaggerating a bit. But I remember very well how it all was developed. We visited Korolev's Design Bureau; they gave us lectures. Certainly, we did not participate in the development; we were only listeners. There was a persevering struggle whether to trust the cosmonaut with manual rendezvous and docking. There were pros and cons, and it was necessary to look for optimal variants. In his book, the cosmonaut Vladimir Shatalov writes that they had executed over 800 dockings on a simulator, and all the same, just before their flight there was an argument over which mode of docking - manual or automatic - will be chosen as the regular one. Inertia also played a role. On unmanned missions everything was automatic, and it worked successfully. It is obvious that when a particular path of development is successful, nobody wants to deviate from it.
Gerovitch: There is also an argument offered by the spacecraft designer and cosmonaut Konstantin Feoktistov in his book of memoirs: the cosmonaut's task on board is not to operate a space vehicle, but to carry out research. If all human efforts are spent on servicing the flight, then what is the purpose of a manned flight? A human would only serve the machine then.
Ponomareva: In the beginning the processes of rendezvous and docking were new and complex, but later those became routine. Certainly, the human should carry out research tasks; here Feoktistov is right. But if the human does not regularly take part in control, then in case of emergency he will become helpless. Pilots know this very well. If a pilot does not fly, if he does not exercise his skills, if he does not himself operate an aircraft, then one can hardly expect that he would cope with an extraordinary situation.
Ponomareva: Training on a simulator was a separate kind of exercise. There were, I think, seven sessions total. The entire flight was simulated. The candidate sat in the ship and carried out everything as though he or she was flying in space. Visual conditions, the noise of engines - everything that could be simulated on earth was simulated. Emergency situations were played out. There were many training exercises in spacecraft control.
Gerovitch: What were the functions of various instruments on the instrument board?
Ponomareva: The sphere in the middle is called "the globe." It is a real globe, which shows two kinds of movement: the rotation of the Earth and the spacecraft's movement on the orbit. On this globe, you can see over which part of the Earth the spacecraft is currently flying. If you press a button and "reset" the globe, you will see where the spacecraft would land if you turn on the descent engine at this moment. Above the globe is a digital indicator of the number of orbits. Below are four dial indicators of various system parameters: humidity, temperature, and pressure inside the capsule, the oxygen and nitrogen pressure in the capsule (this was reported back to Earth), and the pressure in the pneumatic systems of two attitude correction systems. On the right, you can see a set of "windows." In case of emergency, a red window would light up and a signal would sound. In each "window," a specific message would light up, for example, "enough gas for descent only." For every foreseen emergency situation, there was a corresponding "window."
Gerovitch: Did the instrument board serve for information purposes only? Could you press any buttons, request information, make adjustments?
Ponomareva: One could operate a globe reset button, a hand controller, and a descent engine switch with a logical lock. Besides, on the left there was a communication panel with various radio transmitters and a telegraph key (we learned Morse code). Except for turning on the attitude correction system and the descent engine, the cosmonaut did not have any control functions.
Gerovitch: How were the visual conditions simulated? There were no onboard computers back then.
Ponomareva: They used analog technology. They made a film and showed it through a window. A machine received control signals as the hand controller was moving, and this caused changes in the window. Pointers would light up, showing the position of the ship, the roll, and so on. It was a typical simulator, similar to those they made for aircraft.
Gerovitch: In your book, The Female Face of the Cosmos, you wrote about the difficulty you had had adjusting to the design of a hand controller on Vostok, which was different from the design of a regular aircraft control column.
Ponomareva: I did not like it. I thought this was wrong. On an aircraft, the pitch (the aircraft nose goes up or down) is regulated by the back-and-forth movement of the hand controller; the roll (the aircraft wings tilt to the right or to the left) is regulated by the right-to-left movement; and the yaw (the aircraft nose turns right or left) is regulated by pedals. A hand controller on an aircraft has two axes, while a hand controller on a space ship has three. On a space ship, the pitch is regulated in the same way as on an aircraft, but the roll and the yaw are rearranged: the yaw is where I thought the roll would be (the right-to-left movement), and the roll is where I thought the yaw would be (rotation of the hand controller knob clockwise or counterclockwise). Other pilots, however, were more experienced than I, and none of them complained about it. This was just my personal opinion.
Gerovitch: Besides the rearranged yaw and roll controls in the hand controller, what were the differences for you as a pilot between flying an airplane and a space vehicle?
Ponomareva: On an airplane I did indeed fly, while the space vehicle was standing on the ground. There was nothing in common. There was very little equipment on the Vostok.
Ponomareva: During the preparation for the flight and during the flight itself we had conversations with Korolev on the launching pad. It is well known that Korolev's attitude toward the presence of women at work and especially on the launching pad was very negative. He believed that on a launching pad, like on a ship, a woman brings misfortune. But toward us he acted with kindness. Perhaps he realized that our training was not easy; it was hard and even dangerous. He told us: "Don't be upset that you did not fly today. More important, more complex, more interesting flights await you." I am talking about myself and about Tereshkova's first back-up, Irina Solov'eva. We had mixed feelings: on the one hand, there was hope, on the other, skepticism. It was clear that women's role in cosmonautics had no prospects for the future. There were no specific tasks for women. The main task - priority - was fulfilled, and men would handle the rest.
Many men cosmonauts queued up for a flight. First, in 1963-64, there were plans to built new Vostok spacecraft, then, in 1965, new Voskhod spacecraft; interesting missions were proposed. All this was not implemented; it was delayed and then fell through. The hopelessness of our stay in the group was becoming more and more obvious. Nevertheless, we remained in the group, we continued training on a centrifuge, in a stratochamber, in a heat chamber, and so on. To tell the truth, all this was already routine, and it was not as scary as the first time. Perhaps, adaptation had occurred. All cosmonauts were assigned to scientific and technical groups, and we could observe the development of various projects. We visited the Experimental Design Bureau and got acquainted with projects. We had something to do, but for me this useless stay in the group was rather burdensome. From 1963 (Tereshkova's flight) to 1965, all the time there was talk that we were not needed, that there were no prospects for us, and that our group would soon be disbanded. Once I even asked Gagarin if this was true. He said: "How could your group be disbanded - where would Tereshkova go? She would then be alone without a group." Nevertheless, all this worried us and brought a note of hopelessness.
In 1966 Kamanin tried to arrange a second woman's flight. By the way, when the flight of Tereshkova and Bykovskii was being prepared, Kamanin insisted that this would be a women's group flight. This would have looked very impressive. Nevertheless, the manufacturers, and the military too, were set against it. He was told that if he manages to obtain an approval for a women's group flight, then one of the space ships intended for this flight would simply be given to a museum. Iron longstops and knife-rests were erected in the way of this idea, and it did not come through.
However, Kamanin did not abandon the idea of a new woman's flight. I remember this day perfectly. It was 1965. He arrived at our Center, called up Solov'eva and me and told us that our group would not be disbanded and that the Air Force was planning a flight for us on the Voskhod spacecraft, which would include a space walk and would have the duration of up to 15 days. Reckless planning! Back in 1961, when there had been only one day-long flight, they already talked about modernizing the Voskhod space ship for flights up to 10 days. And by 1966 the longest flight was the five-day long Bykovskii flight. There were not enough results of medical and biological research to plan such long flights. Nevertheless, such flights were being planned. The 18-day long flight of Nikolaev and Sevast'ianov on the Soyuz was carried out in the conditions of hypodynamy, and they returned to Earth barely alive; it took a long time to bring them back to life.
Kamanin's words, of course, caused joyful excitement, but we really believed only 50% of it, maybe even less. Nevertheless, preparations began. There were two waves: first training started, then we were sent on vacation, and then we returned and continued training. But then suddenly Sergei Pavlovich Korolev died. I do not know whether it influenced the termination of the women's program. They closed the entire Voskhod-65 series. They did not build those ships any more.
Ponomareva: Soon after the first six flights on the Vostok and two flights on the Voskhod our lag behind the Americans began to show. That which both Kamanin and Korolev feared so much had happened. Everyone spoke about the concern - even fear - to fall behind. Komarov's flight on the first Soyuz ended tragically precisely because there was a demand to show the world a great achievement for the 50th anniversary of the October revolution.
Ponomareva: I believe that the problems were financial and organizational. One can find in memoirs many complaints about management putting a spoke in the wheel, not allowing further development of technology. Docking was just one problem, and it could not have a global effect on the lag. A series of 10 Vostok spacecraft of 1963-64 was being planned. Then a series of 5 Voskhod spacecraft was being planned. Neither was implemented. I think that organizational and political reasons played the main role. Korolev's untimely death also critically affected the development of cosmonautics. He was capable of communicating with the top leadership that authorized launches; he managed to maneuver and look over not just one branch of production, but the entire cooperation of many branches. Objective factors here overlapped with the subjective one, Korolev's death. I am convinced that if Korolev were alive, he would have never allowed launching the first Soyuz in such condition, without tests of sufficient number and quality.
Ponomareva: Americans always led their conversations with people on board in the open. And we had to talk about malfunctioning in code, usually botanical: "dahlia," "oak," "elm," "mountain ash," and so on. All foreseen technical malfunctions and the condition of the cosmonaut - everything was coded in such a table. There was a case with cosmonaut Popovich: he observed a thunder-storm and communicated to Earth: "I see a thunderstorm." And in his code "thunderstorm" meant vomiting or something of this sort, a bad state of health. There was a big alarm on Earth. One could get so confused that it would be hard to disentangle things.
Gerovitch: If technical malfunctions occur and some non-standard actions have to be taken, then you can hardly encipher the instruction given to the cosmonaut from Earth. Were such instructions given in the open or by code?
Ponomareva: No, on the Vostok there was no "return" secret code, that is, for communications from Earth to the spacecraft. Neither it was on the Soyuz; most likely, they talked in the open.
Gerovitch: Was there a special code for the request to switch to manual guidance? Was the cosmonaut allowed to use such words?
Ponomareva: I am not sure; one has to check the transcript of the Voskhod-2 communications. Cosmonaut Beliaev said that they had requested the permission to switch to manual guidance. Here they put a brave face on a sorry business. They simply had no choice, except to switch to manual guidance, for both control systems - the regular and the back-up - had failed. At a press conference he said that they had noticed some malfunctions, requested the permission, and were "afraid that we would not get it."
Ponomareva: Automatic systems failed every other time. In case of failure, manual docking was never successful. Besides, the mistrust of the cosmonaut also played a role. A cosmonaut would request a permission to switch to manual guidance during the final stage of rendezvous and docking, but even if he gets the permission, it would happen only when the ships have already missed and it is too late. So it happened in the flight of Sarafanov and Demin, if I am not mistaken. The Earth did not reply right away; they deliberated, modeled the situation, and only then made a decision.
Gerovitch: If because of the lack of onboard computers manual docking in case of failure of automatic systems never succeeded, then it follows that the lack of adequate computer facilities on board put a brake on Soviet cosmonautics. Yet the Americans have been putting computers on board since 1965.
Ponomareva: Yes, on the Gemini they already had an onboard computer. Because of the lack of onboard computers we had to choose an unnatural method for rendezvous. We did not use the method of free trajectories, as did the Americans. They calculate a trajectory and then make small corrections. We used the method of parallel pointing: first one must reduce the angular speed of the sight line, and then accelerate or slow down along the sight line.
Ponomareva: One has to take into account the state of Soviet microelectronics at that time. At the Applied Mathematics Division I worked on the Strela computer and later on the M-20 machine. It was a huge hall stuck with metal cabinets. That was our computer technology!
Ponomareva: Machine works according to the prescribed algorithms. It cannot change its own algorithm; and sometimes a combination of two or three different algorithms or a change in the algorithm is needed. Only human is capable of doing that. If our developers managed to create what they wanted - a failure-proof automatic system - then there would have been no further questions, and this system would have worked all the time. But this cannot happen, because it is simply impossible.
Gerovitch: After working at the Scientific Research Department of the Cosmonaut Training Center you came to the Institute for the History of Natural Science and Technology. How did you become attracted to history of cosmonautics?
Ponomareva: I was invited to participate in the Tsiolkovsky history conference series. I liked it very much and became very interested. I knew Arkadii Aleksandrovich Kosmodem'ianskii, who was giving lectures to cosmonauts. All cosmonauts loved him very much. He became my dissertation advisor at the Zhukovsky Academy, but I did not finish that dissertation. And I asked him for a letter of recommendation to the Institute for the History of Natural Science and Technology. Recently, while organizing the personal papers of the late Viktor Nikolaevich Sokol'skii [the former head of the History of Aviation and Cosmonautics Section of the Institute], I found a ten-year old letter of recommendation signed by Kosmodem'ianskii. So they took me in.
Gerovitch: How did you make this transition - from one environment to a completely different one?
Ponomareva: At the Scientific Research Department of the Cosmonaut Training Center the environment was also academic. It was just like at any other academic institution: research, development, discussions, and so on. And now I like being here at the Institute very much. Historical research and reinterpretation of events interest me a lot. Everything that I wrote in the book and in my articles did not come to me back then, but only now: a new understanding has emerged as the result of this research.
Gerovitch: You have participated in important events and you have your own perception of those events, you have your own vision from a particular personal viewpoint. Then you become a historian and try to look at the situation objectively. Is there any distance between you as a participant of events and as a historian?
Ponomareva: Probably not. My position did not radically change. It was simply detailed and corrected. I have learned many things that I did not know before. There is probably no such distance.
Ponomareva: In the beginning it was written simply shamefully. It was forged. Failures on board were never openly reported. Take the Komarov flight: while it was not clear whether he would make it back to Earth, he was transmitting greetings to the peoples of Africa, Asia and Australia and publicly reported that everything was all right. I specifically checked all the announcements of the TASS agency during his flight. They all said, "All systems aboard the ship function normally," even though his spacecraft barely managed to descent. On the ground they compiled a set of instructions for Komarov to perform manual orientation so that he could descent, and Gagarin transmitted it to the ship (it was, probably, an open text, since it had not been prepared beforehand).
Gerovitch: Clearly, in the Soviet years historians had to follow the official, TASS version of events. Has there been a turn in their approach to the history of cosmonautics?
Ponomareva: A turn has occurred, but some elements still linger. Manufacturers are still overprotective of their interests, which, in my opinion, is not necessary. Obviously, it is impossible to create new technology and expect that it would be perfect and failure-proof. Take the story with Gagarin's landing. Developers tried to prove that the separation of the instrument module and the landing module was regular. In fact, as we [the cosmonauts] were taught, the separation occurred according to the reserve regime. Perhaps, one could call it "regular," since it was included in the design. Besides, the cable-mast of his space ship did not shoot off, and this caused rotation of the ship, which he wrote about. For the last three or four years a dispute about this has been going on at the Gagarin history conference series. Recently we invited to a Gagarin conference a developer from the Rocket Space Corporation Energia, and he gave us a report on what actually happened. They still do not want to admit that there were any failures, erroneous decisions, breakages. It seems odd to me, but this is how it is.
Gerovitch: In the West, failures were often openly reported; Western historians write about it frankly, and they continue to believe that Russian historians of cosmonautics still adhere to old stereotypes.
Ponomareva: The matter is how to get access to Energia archives. Try it!
Gerovitch: Should not these documents be declassified sometime?
Ponomareva: Certainly, they should. For all documents there is a certain limitation period. There is the Russian State Archive of the Scientific and Technical Documentation. There are people who go to various organizations, select interesting materials that can be declassified, and send those documents to the Archive. But I do not think that these organizations willingly give up any materials.
Gerovitch: In controversial cases, where different points of view clash, it is probably only documents that can finally resolve a dispute: which regime was regular, for example, and which was not.
Ponomareva: Certainly, all this had to be authorized, which regime was regular and which reserve, but then appeared diverse interpretations. At Energia, they made ballistic calculations of the descent of Gagarin's ship, and this report dotted all the i's.
Ponomareva: First, it is necessary to record the reminiscences of people who were at the origins. And they often have different interpretations, different assessments. This all has to be cleared up. One must write history as objectively as possible; one must reinterpret history.
Gerovitch: You included in your book many fragments from the diary you kept, perhaps, your entire life.
Ponomareva: Yes, I kept it since the fourth grade.
Gerovitch: Is there any hope that this diary will sometime be published?
Ponomareva: There are many personal things in it. While I am alive, it will not be published.
Gerovitch: Thank you so much for the interview.
See also Valentina Ponomareva's essay The Human Factor in Space Exploration: Soviet and American Approaches
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