From mdlug-return-6174-smythe=example.com@mdlug.org Fri Nov 1 05:42:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from mdlug.org (cpe-24-221-90-239.mi.sprintbbd.net [24.221.90.239]) by example.com (Postfix) with SMTP id ADE5027F82 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21544 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2002 10:38:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact mdlug-help@mdlug.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: mdlug@mdlug.org Delivered-To: mailing list mdlug@mdlug.org Received: (qmail 21532 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 10:38:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3DC259A6.2020800@riconet.net> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 05:38:30 -0500 From: Tom Amazon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020623 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mdlug@mdlug.org References: <02110104374900.04626@glen.organic-earth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [MDLUG] Still sleeping with the gorilla? I shouldn't, but I must.... Bill wrote: > What happens when the gorilla has a bad dream? > > http://www.silicon.com/bin/bladerunner?REQUNIQ=1036136703&30REQEVENT=&REQINT1=56175&REQINT2=1&REQSTR1=Text%20News&REQSTR2=Microsoft%20stirs%20up%20Office%2011%20support%20storm&REQSTR3=%7c&REQAUTH=21046&14006REQSUB= > > "A representative acknowledged that Microsoft plans to offer the productivity > suite, code-named Office 11, only for Windows 2000 with Service Pack 3 and > Windows XP. > > By focusing on development for the single Windows code base, Microsoft could > conceivably deliver a better version of Office and cut development costs in > the process. But the company also has a tendency of being heavy-handed with > customers who resist making the transition to a newer operating system. > As stated, this is nothing new. This is an extremely important fact to remember. > > How, for instance, are you going to be able to justify breaking up Microsoft > if the company only has one (kitchen sink dept.) office product running on > one OS? That's what the MSIE fuss was all about. > What makes you think that anything like this will ever happen? Consider this. By the time anything is actually decided upon, Microsoft will no longer support a single product that was in existence at the time of accusation. Therefore there will be no real activities to undertake and Microsoft will continue with business as usual. If you can't move the gun, move the moose. > What happens when the office suite becomes part of the OS, too? > It already is more than you want to know. > > This game aint over. Not by a long shot. > Nope. But's it's changing. See Important Fact number one. People are starting to disbelieve Microsoft more and more. People are starting to hear whispers about another one. Remember Yoda? "There is another..." People are starting to reconsider the finances of owning a computer. They are starting to learn that upgrading is no guarantee of function. Companies are the slowest. If a really big corporation (auto industry) announced that everyone was going to open office and to deal with it, then there would be a groundswell in activity. Why they don't is beyond me. They dictate CAD/CAM/CAE software/hardware all the time. Why would the rest be any different? -- We question most of the mantras around here periodically, in case you hadn't noticed. :-) -- Larry Wall in <199705101952.MAA00756@wall.org> From glamb@dynagen.on.ca Fri Nov 1 06:20:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from csl2.consultronics.on.ca (csl2.consultronics.on.ca [204.138.93.2]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F007927F82 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from athame.dynagen.internal(localhost[127.0.0.1]) (2517 bytes) by csl2.consultronics.on.ca via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:20:25 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.114 2001-Aug-6 #5 built 2002-Mar-26) Received: (2148 bytes) by athame.dynagen.internal via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for smythe@example.com; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:20:24 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #5 built 2000-Apr-12) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:20:24 -0500 From: Greg Lamb To: David Smythe Subject: Re: writeup revision Message-ID: <20021101112024.GA1280@athame.dynagen.on.ca> Reply-To: Greg Lamb References: <4.3.2.7.2.20021031162438.00ba2d60@mail.example.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20021031162438.00ba2d60@mail.example.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20021031175102.00be09a0@mail.example.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021031175102.00be09a0@mail.example.com> Organization: Dynagen Consulting Limited On 20021031 (Thu) at 1805:18 -0500, David Smythe wrote: > Also, I'm thinking the beginning of the Intro needs a bit more of a > feed-in. Here's a (very) rough draft: That's an idea. As you no doubt saw, I began with "Testing bogofilter (continued), because I was thinking in terms of linking to this from the section on testing that's already in my bogofilter web page. For the version to be sent to the list, I could borrow a few words from said web page, for example thus: > The original version of bogofilter uses > the computation method presented in Paul Graham's paper (name & > url). Gary Robinson took an interest in Graham's paper, and wrote an insightful commentary (url) in which he presented several suggestions (untested) for improvements to Graham's method. I was intrigued, and modified bogofilter 0.7 (and subsequently 0.7.4 and 0.7.5) to try them out. Initial tests (my page url) looked promising. Discussion with David Smythe led to consensus that further testing would be worthwhile; we were interested in answering (more completely) the following two questions: yadda yadda yadda... > Gotta go. The neighborhood trick or treaters are starting to arrive. It rained here, so only a few hardy little souls wandered soggily round... -- | G r e g l a m b | gpg public key: | | http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb | finger greg@sbc.nu | From smythe@example.com Fri Nov 1 06:32:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from oak.example.com (oak.example.com [192.168.1.10]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9156627F82 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.example.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 163A317E906; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:32:05 -0500 (EST) To: smythe@example.com Subject: Hunger Site - Nov 01 - 1.1 cups Message-Id: <20021101113205.163A317E906@oak.example.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:32:05 -0500 (EST) From: smythe@example.com (David Smythe) 1 this week; 1 in the last 7 days 1 this month; 1 in the last 30 days 1 this year; 1 since June 15th From glamb@dynagen.on.ca Fri Nov 1 06:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from csl2.consultronics.on.ca (csl2.consultronics.on.ca [204.138.93.2]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B081C27F82 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from athame.dynagen.internal(localhost[127.0.0.1]) (1720 bytes) by csl2.consultronics.on.ca via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:38:04 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.114 2001-Aug-6 #5 built 2002-Mar-26) Received: (1351 bytes) by athame.dynagen.internal via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for smythe@example.com; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:38:04 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #5 built 2000-Apr-12) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:38:04 -0500 From: Greg Lamb To: David Smythe Subject: testing with training data Message-ID: <20021101113804.GA1499@athame.dynagen.on.ca> Reply-To: Greg Lamb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Dynagen Consulting Limited As you probably realized, my results in this latest round of testing, if they hold up, invalidate a lot of work that I and others have done. It's very clear (and I will revise the discussion to say so explicitly) that the Robinson method, in particular, shouldn't be tested by having it re-evaluate its own training data. If we do that, Robinson will look good, but the test will have no value in predicting the performance of the Robinson method in production, where most messages are new. I'm not very surprised at this; I've always known that using training data for testing was a dangerous expedient. It's impressive _how_ dangerous it turns out to be in the case of Robinson's approach, though. 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From bradyn@shdp.com Fri Nov 1 07:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from sanrel1.shdp.com (sanrel1.shdp.com [192.6.114.30]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D33527F82 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.shdp.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sanrel1.shdp.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 99AD39540 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpsdlx.shdp.com (hpsdlx.shdp.com [15.80.246.125]) by sanrel1.shdp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9DB9547 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bradyn@localhost) by hpsdlx.shdp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3 SMKit7.02 sdd epg) id EAA16707 for smythe@example.com; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:26:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:26:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211011226.EAA16707@hpsdlx.shdp.com> From: Bradyn Fratkin Subject: out of the office Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Thank you for your email. 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I will not be checking email or voicemail while I am out and I will respond as soon as possible after I return. -- Bradyn Fratkin bradyn@shdp.com San Diego Site bradyn@fratkin.com Hewlett-Packard Company http://www.fratkin.com/ From expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com Fri Nov 1 07:37:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from smtp.mandrake.com (smtp.mandrake.com [63.209.80.248]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E027527F82 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from yavin.mandrax.org (moseisley.mandrax.org [63.209.80.226]) by smtp.mandrake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3C783C4D; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 3797814120A; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:28:29 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by smtp1.mandrax.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0870343E06 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6810 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2002 12:33:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:33:58 +0100 (MET) From: para star To: expert@linux-mandrake.com MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200211011111.21371.john@poogle.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated-Sender: #0007059057@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [152.78.128.52] Message-ID: <3293.1036154038@www24.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Reply-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Loop: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Sequence: 103 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Subject: [expert] Mdk 9.0 kernel, SMP and supermount Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1036153697-28558-453" Sender: expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1036153697-28558-453 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello there, I've installed Mandrake 9.0 and I've noticed that the system every 10 minutes does something like "apm suspend" mode for few seconds. I've posted few e-mails and I come to the conclusion that somehow the kernel things my system is ... SMP with a single CPU. Anyway, I've installed kernel-linus and the problem is gone BUT I found that my zip and cdrom do work properly now ;-( What is the difference between all these linux kernels? is there any boot parameter that I can pass to kernel (not the linus one) so it does not go to SMP "mode"? If I recomplile the kernel without SMP flags on will the problem go? Regards Panos -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr fur 1 ct/ Min. surfen! ------------=_1036153697-28558-453 Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ------------=_1036153697-28558-453-- From bogofilter-return-586-smythe=example.com@aotto.com Fri Nov 1 07:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from lists.aotto.com (sfo.drudgereport.com [66.28.209.210]) by example.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1599227F82 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7941 invoked by alias); 1 Nov 2002 12:42:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact bogofilter-help@aotto.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list bogofilter@aotto.com Received: (qmail 7932 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 12:42:36 -0000 Message-ID: <3DC276BB.1000000@riconet.net> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 07:42:35 -0500 From: Tom Amazon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020623 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bogofilter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: flag settings Usage question: If I am choosing to run everything with the -r option. Do I need to specify that same option if I'm teaching or correcting bogofilter? Or: If I use bogofilter -p -e -r -u should I use: bogofilter -s -r and bogofilter -S -r or just leave the '-r' out for the last two lines... -- Actresses will happen in the best regulated families. -- Addison Mizner and Oliver Herford, "The Entirely New Cynic's Calendar", 1905 --------------------------------------------------------------------- FAQ: http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/bogofilter-faq.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: bogofilter-unsubscribe@aotto.com For summary digest subscription: bogofilter-digest-subscribe@aotto.com For more commands, e-mail: bogofilter-help@aotto.com From owner-linux-users@Lugwash.org Fri Nov 1 08:39:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from lugwash.wccnet.org (lugwash.wccnet.org [198.111.176.9]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDFB280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from lugwash.wccnet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugwash.wccnet.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id gA1DQtmw006933; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:26:55 -0500 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by lugwash.wccnet.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gA1DQtan006932; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:26:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: lugwash.wccnet.org: mdom set sender to owner-linux-users@lugwash.org using -f Received: from mail.interclean.com (www.interclean.com [152.160.178.8]) by lugwash.wccnet.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id gA1DQrmw006929 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:26:53 -0500 Received: from serverdell2200.interclean.com ([152.160.178.23]) by mail.interclean.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187bou-0007kq-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 08:26:40 -0500 Received: by serverdell2200.interclean.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:24:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: "'Brian Sullivan'" , linux-users@lugwash.org Subject: RE: [WLUG] Gnome Problem Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:24:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-linux-users@Lugwash.org Precedence: bulk I think you right-click on the Panel and choose Add. It'll be one of the applets that are available. I think it's called "Pager". -----Original Message----- From: Brian Sullivan [mailto:sullivanbj@dteenergy.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 7:34 AM To: linux-users@lugwash.org Subject: [WLUG] Gnome Problem All, I am running Redhat 7.2. The other day I filled up my root partition where eveything is stored and my system crashed/froze. I was able to telnet in and reboot. When it came back up I started moving things off the root partition and onto a separate partition. In the process I somehow hosed my virtual terminals in the corner on the panel and cannot figure out how to get them back. The virtual terminals just disappeared. It may have happened as a result of the crash or in the process of moving things off the root partition ... not sure. Any idea how I can fix this and get my Virtual Terminals back? Brian -- *** Sent from linux-users@lugwash.org *** http://www.lugwash.org to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request@lugwash.org` -- *** Sent from linux-users@lugwash.org *** http://www.lugwash.org to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request@lugwash.org` From expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com Fri Nov 1 08:46:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from smtp.mandrake.com (smtp.mandrake.com [63.209.80.248]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D1E280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from yavin.mandrax.org (moseisley.mandrax.org [63.209.80.226]) by smtp.mandrake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7800483C0D; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 6D58014121A; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:37:51 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Received: from sandeepk (pool-151-197-126-68.phil.east.verizon.net [151.197.126.68]) by smtp1.mandrax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9276D43E06 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from villanova.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sandeepk (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCF978256 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:43:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC284EA.10402@villanova.edu> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 08:43:06 -0500 From: Sandeep Khanna Reply-To: sandeep.khanna@villanova.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Loop: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Sequence: 107 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Subject: [expert] Mandrake 9......Mozilla Quickstart? Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1036157860-28558-465" Sender: expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1036157860-28558-465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Does anybody know of Mozilla quickstart in Linux. Or there is no such thing !!! Well, this feature is there in M$ Windows and not in Linux !!!! I thought it is an Open Source project originating in the Open Source World, so shouldn't it be having good killer features in Linux atleast ! Especially when, the main place Linux is lacking good speed is the web browsing experience with the big lizard 'Mozilla' and Office Suite like Open Office or KOffice (all of them damn slow !!!) Sandeep ------------=_1036157860-28558-465 Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ------------=_1036157860-28558-465-- From glamb@dynagen.on.ca Fri Nov 1 08:51:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from csl2.consultronics.on.ca (csl2.consultronics.on.ca [204.138.93.2]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB38280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from athame.dynagen.internal(localhost[127.0.0.1]) (1124 bytes) by csl2.consultronics.on.ca via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:51:20 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.114 2001-Aug-6 #5 built 2002-Mar-26) Received: (756 bytes) by athame.dynagen.internal via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for smythe@example.com; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:51:19 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #5 built 2000-Apr-12) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:51:19 -0500 From: Greg Lamb To: David Smythe Subject: posted but not linked Message-ID: <20021101135119.GA2554@athame.dynagen.on.ca> Reply-To: Greg Lamb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Dynagen Consulting Limited Hi. The html version of the writeup is now at http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb/bogofilter/test6000.html but it's an orphan; there are no links to it yet. -- | G r e g l a m b | gpg public key: | | http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb | finger greg@sbc.nu | From expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com Fri Nov 1 08:52:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from smtp.mandrake.com (smtp.mandrake.com [63.209.80.248]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F30C280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from yavin.mandrax.org (moseisley.mandrax.org [63.209.80.226]) by smtp.mandrake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AE383BFC; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 0453D14121A; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:43:39 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by smtp1.mandrax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6B743E03 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from insp5000 (bgp01139177bgs.ypwest01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.148.30]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with SMTP id <0H4W0017DH1HYG@mtaout06.icomcast.net> for expert@linux-mandrake.com; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 08:48:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 08:48:06 -0500 From: logic7 Subject: RE: [expert] where's pine? In-reply-to: <200211010835.13076.praedor@yahoo.com> To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Reply-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Loop: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Sequence: 109 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1036158207-28558-468" Sender: expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1036158207-28558-468 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Use the editor in MC. It's dead simple to use. no silly command strings -----Original Message----- From: praedor@lapdog.ravenhome.net [mailto:praedor@lapdog.ravenhome.net]On Behalf Of Praedor Tempus Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:35 AM To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [expert] where's pine? On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:49 pm, ET wrote: > On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:32 pm, Toshiro wrote: > > Anybody knows why Mandrake is no longer providing this package? Does that include its parts such as pico? It would be nice for pico to be included by itself if possible as it is one of the easiest to use text-based editors there is. Vi and emacs are monstrosities that require a great deal of cryptic command string memorization while pico is all right there. I depend upon it to fix things from the CLI when things with the GUI go down the tubes. praedor ------------=_1036158207-28558-468 Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ------------=_1036158207-28558-468-- From expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com Fri Nov 1 09:23:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from smtp.mandrake.com (smtp.mandrake.com [63.209.80.248]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F00280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from yavin.mandrax.org (moseisley.mandrax.org [63.209.80.226]) by smtp.mandrake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18F183BFA; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:17:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 6EA9214121B; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:14:54 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Received: from lapdog.ravenhome.net (dial-d-01-09.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.134.19]) by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8252B14124E for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by lapdog.ravenhome.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id CE3D1181382; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:10:05 -0500 (EST) From: Praedor Tempus To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [expert] where's pine? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:09:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211010910.05041.praedor@yahoo.com> Sender: praedor@lapdog.ravenhome.net Reply-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Loop: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Sequence: 112 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1036160083-28558-479" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1036160083-28558-479 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Doesn't MC require a working X? If X is toasted, is the MC editor still=20 useable?=20=20 praedor On Friday 01 November 2002 08:48 am, logic7 wrote: > Use the editor in MC. It's dead simple to use. no silly command strings > > -----Original Message----- > From: praedor@lapdog.ravenhome.net > [mailto:praedor@lapdog.ravenhome.net]On Behalf Of Praedor Tempus > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:35 AM > To: expert@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: Re: [expert] where's pine? > > On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:49 pm, ET wrote: > > On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:32 pm, Toshiro wrote: > > > Anybody knows why Mandrake is no longer providing this package? > > Does that include its parts such as pico? It would be nice for pico to be > included by itself if possible as it is one of the easiest to use > text-based editors there is. Vi and emacs are monstrosities that require= a > great deal of cryptic command string memorization while pico is all right > there. I depend upon it to fix things from the CLI when things with the > GUI go down the tubes. > > praedor -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9wos71i/6R1B/Yh0RAmiRAJ4hY0avU4UKD7JFx3tF0AslIpi7DgCgilVk KPd3El/RSMsLwiMYzUzc7Nw=3D =3DCLnw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------=_1036160083-28558-479 Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ------------=_1036160083-28558-479-- From expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com Fri Nov 1 09:47:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from smtp.mandrake.com (smtp.mandrake.com [63.209.80.248]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1655280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from yavin.mandrax.org (moseisley.mandrax.org [63.209.80.226]) by smtp.mandrake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03B683BFC; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id CE751141262; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:39:01 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by smtp2.mandrax.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 524671867A for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:38:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from vsat-148-64-155-142.c005.g4.mrt.starband.net (HELO tamriel.terranforge.com) (lxaphir@148.64.155.142 with plain) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 14:44:17 -0000 Subject: Re: [expert] Ive been hacked! From: Lyvim Xaphir To: ExpertMandrake-List In-Reply-To: <1036095988.3579.64.camel@ws2.billbeau.net> References: <4A8A335F-ED0D-11D6-935A-00039344D6A2@mandrakesoft.com> <1036095988.3579.64.camel@ws2.billbeau.net> X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 01 Nov 2002 09:41:01 -0500 Message-Id: <1036161672.2448.36.camel@tamriel.terranforge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Loop: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Sequence: 116 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1036161530-28558-483" Sender: expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1036161530-28558-483 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 15:26, Bill Beauchemin wrote: > I wasa running a much older version of apache and openssl that i thought > were ok but nooooooooo I guess this hack works with even the old stuff. > I also didnt think somebody would be interested in my little private > home email and web server. Oh well I learned my lesson. Now I ogts to go > and get the apache, openssl, and the modssl patches. >=20 The internet is much too large to go plucking IP's out of the air and hoping that they are interesting. What happens is that the kiddie scripts scan whole subnets for ip's with known and gross vulnerability signatures. Then they kindly compile a list of interesting IP's, sometimes filtered by the vunerability that the cracker/kiddie is looking for (because that's the one they have the intrusion tools for). Then they just use the intrusion tools on the IP's with the most interesting vulnerability signatures. LX --=20 =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0 Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdk Evolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0 ------------=_1036161530-28558-483 Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ------------=_1036161530-28558-483-- From glamb@dynagen.on.ca Fri Nov 1 09:54:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from csl2.consultronics.on.ca (csl2.consultronics.on.ca [204.138.93.2]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE3D280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:54:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmist.concord.internal(localhost[127.0.0.1]) (2311 bytes) by csl2.consultronics.on.ca via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:54:14 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.114 2001-Aug-6 #5 built 2002-Mar-26) Received: (1951 bytes) by cmist.concord.internal via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for smythe@example.com; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:54:14 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #5 built 2000-Apr-12) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:54:13 -0500 From: Greg Lamb To: David Smythe Subject: Re: posted but not linked Message-ID: <20021101145413.GA1244@athame.dynagen.on.ca> Reply-To: Greg Lamb References: <20021101135119.GA2554@athame.dynagen.on.ca> <4.3.2.7.2.20021101085533.02bb54a0@mail.example.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101085533.02bb54a0@mail.example.com> Organization: Dynagen Consulting Limited On 20021101 (Fri) at 0859:38 -0500, David Smythe wrote: > At 08:51 AM 11/1/02, Greg Lamb wrote: > > >Hi. > >The html version of the writeup is now at > >http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb/bogofilter/test6000.html > >but it's an orphan; there are no links to it yet. > > It _is_ posted? Or is it _about_ to be posted? Your web server is giving > me "Not Found" messages. Sorry. After sending the email I realized I had put the stuff on the master and not uploaded to the server. It was no more than 3 minutes! Anyhow it's there now. > On a different topic - the bogofilter mailing list - I'm trying to reach > James at his new job. I know he's at Rseem Int'l with website > www.rseem.com. Their contact address is info@rseem.com (as expected). I'm > trying to guess his email address to let him know about the mail server. > I've tried sending to james@rseem.com, asarbo@rseem.com, sarbo, james.sarbo, > and james_sarbo. All have bounced. Have you any hot ideas? Try an email to info asking them to ask James to send you his new address? That ought to work if whoever gets the request knows the answer; they'll just forward it to him. -- | G r e g l a m b | gpg public key: | | http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb | finger greg@sbc.nu | From mdlug-return-6178-smythe=example.com@mdlug.org Fri Nov 1 10:03:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from mdlug.org (cpe-24-221-90-239.mi.sprintbbd.net [24.221.90.239]) by example.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 99A92280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13550 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2002 15:00:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact mdlug-help@mdlug.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: mdlug@mdlug.org Delivered-To: mailing list mdlug@mdlug.org Received: (qmail 13536 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 15:00:16 -0000 Message-ID: <9B5F92C2B565D511937C0008C786B37C01A1A668@mail2.jacksonnational.com> From: "Hampton, Rodney" To: "'mdlug@mdlug.org'" Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:00:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C281B7.5E598AC0" Subject: [MDLUG] Site Monitoring This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C281B7.5E598AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Someone mentioned a few days ago that they were using Big Brother or looking at it for monitoring sites. I'm on a short term contract at Jackson National Life Insurance and they use SiteScope for monitoring their servers (AIX, Solaris, Linux, NT, 2000) to good effect. It's written in Java and is available for Linux. I'm working with SiteScope right now. It's pretty feature rich. I'm also looking at Nagios. Cheers, Rodney Hampton ------_=_NextPart_001_01C281B7.5E598AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Site Monitoring

Someone mentioned a few days ago that = they were using Big Brother or looking at it for monitoring = sites.  I'm on a short term contract at Jackson National Life = Insurance and they use SiteScope for monitoring their servers (AIX, = Solaris, Linux, NT, 2000) to good effect.  It's written in Java = and is available for Linux.

I'm working with SiteScope right = now.  It's pretty feature rich. 
I'm also looking at Nagios.

Cheers,



Rodney Hampton

------_=_NextPart_001_01C281B7.5E598AC0-- From Linux-Announce-recipients-owner-smythe=example.com@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Fri Nov 1 10:16:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from senator-bedfellow.mit.edu (SENATOR-BEDFELLOW.MIT.EDU [18.181.0.25]) by example.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6380B280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24533 invoked by uid 35); 1 Nov 2002 15:13:04 -0000 Delivered-To: Linux-Announce-recipients@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Received: (qmail 24518 invoked by uid 35); 1 Nov 2002 15:13:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20021101151303.24516.qmail@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu> From: Digestifier To: Linux-Announce@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Announce@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Delivered-to: Linux-Announce Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:13:03 EST Subject: Linux-Announce Digest #215 Linux-Announce Digest #215, Volume #4 Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:13:03 EST Contents: Linux Gazette #84 (November 2002) available (Linux Gazette) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:54:59 CST From: Linux Gazette Subject: Linux Gazette #84 (November 2002) available Reply-To: gazette@ssc.com "Linux Gazette...Making Linux just a little more fun!" Linux Gazette is a freely available, WWW e-zine that includes short articles giving tips and tricks, ideas and suggestions for customizing and running Linux. It is a member of the Linux Documentation Project. Linux Gazette issue #84, November 2002, is out and can be found at: http://www.linuxgazette.com/ For download purposes, individual issues of LG are available at: ftp://ftp.ssc.com/pub/lg/ A list of mirror sites can be found at: http://www.linuxgazette.com/mirrors.html While we do not mail issues of LG to our readers--it's just too big--we do have an announcement service. Write lg-announce-request@ssc.com with the word subscribe in the body, and each month you will receive an e-mail notice when we post Linux Gazette. 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To provide feedback, e-mail us at eletters@technews.com To request advertising information, e-mail us at advertising@technews.com --BoUnDaRy23644M1661D12724T32700-- From glamb@dynagen.on.ca Fri Nov 1 11:00:46 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from csl2.consultronics.on.ca (csl2.consultronics.on.ca [204.138.93.2]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC323280E2 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmist.concord.internal(localhost[127.0.0.1]) (2751 bytes) by csl2.consultronics.on.ca via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:00:45 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.114 2001-Aug-6 #5 built 2002-Mar-26) Received: (2391 bytes) by cmist.concord.internal via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for smythe@example.com; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:00:45 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #5 built 2000-Apr-12) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:00:45 -0500 From: Greg Lamb To: David Smythe Subject: Re: posted but not linked Message-ID: <20021101160045.GA1698@athame.dynagen.on.ca> Reply-To: Greg Lamb References: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101085533.02bb54a0@mail.example.com> <20021101135119.GA2554@athame.dynagen.on.ca> <4.3.2.7.2.20021101085533.02bb54a0@mail.example.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20021101100849.00d01100@mail.example.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101100849.00d01100@mail.example.com> Organization: Dynagen Consulting Limited On 20021101 (Fri) at 1016:48 -0500, David Smythe wrote: > > One issue spotted so far. bogoGR.png is too tall for Galeon on a 1024x768 > screen, or for Windows Mozilla. The horizontal label up to 0.06 nearly > fills the screen. Since the vertical axis goes up to 0.08, I'd estimate > that the png is about 1/3 too tall. I know. It's 945x923 pixels. I haven't yet learned how to control font size, so if I let R put that many data on a smaller canvas, labels get omitted. I tried shrinking it with ImageMagick and ended up trying to draw lines less than a pixel thick, which didn't work too marvellously either. So I guess people without 1600x1200 screens will have to use the scrollbars till I can think of something. (Come to think of it, maybe the par command is what I need to look at...) R is quite frustrating to work with because there's no comprehensive learning documentation. There's an introduction that gets you started, and then there's an alphabetical reference book with all the functions' man pages, many of which are a bit short on detail. For many of the add-on packages, there's nothing but the online help screens. I need a nice big book on how to get things done with R, and it seems nobody's written one yet. As I write this, snow is beginning to hide the grass outside; we're having what Environment Canada calls "flurries heavy at times" and this is one of the times. Fun in prospect. Wonder if my snowblower works this year??? -- | G r e g l a m b | gpg public key: | | http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb | finger greg@sbc.nu | From listserv@ugu.com Fri Nov 1 11:17:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from ugu.com (ugu.com [208.179.92.72]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F6B280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from listserv@localhost) by ugu.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05556 for smythe@example.com; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:19:33 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:19:33 -0800 From: Unix Guru Universe Message-Id: <200211011619.IAA05556@ugu.com> To: smythe@example.com Subject: Unix Tip: NFS HANG FIX ON HP-UX =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= UNIX GURU UNIVERSE UNIX HOT TIP Unix Tip 2131 - November 1, 2002 http://www.ugu.com/sui/ugu/show?tip.today =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= NFS HANG FIX ON HP-UX In an NFS environment (Hp-UX based), sometimes no user is able to log-in when home directories are mounted using automounter). As user validation occurs, the user .profile is executed but no shell prompt appears unless the user presses CTRL-C. The Solution to this is to kill the portmap & inetd and restart the two daemons. The problem will then be sorted out. This tip generously supported by: sgogia@hss.hns.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Subscribe: http://www.ugu.com/sui/ugu/show?tip.subscribe To Unsubscribe: http://www.ugu.com/sui/ugu/show?tip.unsubscribe To Submit A Tip: http://www.ugu.com/sui/ugu/show?tip.today ========================================================================== DISCLAIMER: All UNIX HOT TIPS ARE OWNED BY THE UNIX GURU UNIVERSE AND ARE NOT TO BE SOLD, PRINTED OR USED WITHOUT THE WRITTEN CONSENT OF THE UNIX GURU UNIVERSE. ALL TIPS ARE "USE AT YOUR OWN RISK". UGU ADVISES THAT ALL TIPS BE TESTED IN A NON-PRODUCTION DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT FIRST. Unix Guru Universe - www.ugu.com - tips@ugu.com - Copyright 1994-2001 ========================================================================== From glamb@dynagen.on.ca Fri Nov 1 11:22:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from csl2.consultronics.on.ca (csl2.consultronics.on.ca [204.138.93.2]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAAE280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmist.concord.internal(localhost[127.0.0.1]) (1187 bytes) by csl2.consultronics.on.ca via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:22:00 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.114 2001-Aug-6 #5 built 2002-Mar-26) Received: (828 bytes) by cmist.concord.internal via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for smythe@example.com; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:21:59 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #5 built 2000-Apr-12) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:21:59 -0500 From: Greg Lamb To: David Smythe Subject: squishing the graph Message-ID: <20021101162159.GA1914@athame.dynagen.on.ca> Reply-To: Greg Lamb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Dynagen Consulting Limited Hi again: The par command was the trick. Doing par(ps=9) allowed me to cut the .png file down to 655x655; still 'way too big for standard VGA but ok for most current displays, I guess. Thanks for prodding me on it... -- | G r e g l a m b | gpg public key: | | http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb | finger greg@sbc.nu | From expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com Fri Nov 1 11:32:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from smtp.mandrake.com (smtp.mandrake.com [63.209.80.248]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A076280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from yavin.mandrax.org (moseisley.mandrax.org [63.209.80.226]) by smtp.mandrake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A9F83C22; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 6DE8C14128C; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:23:16 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Received: from lapdog.ravenhome.net (dial-d-01-49.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.134.59]) by smtp2.mandrax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D21418686 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:22:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by lapdog.ravenhome.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id 84846181382; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:18:44 -0500 (EST) From: Praedor Tempus To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [expert] where's pine? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:18:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211011118.43401.praedor@yahoo.com> Sender: praedor@lapdog.ravenhome.net Reply-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Loop: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Sequence: 124 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1036167784-28558-504" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1036167784-28558-504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 01 November 2002 10:56 am, logic7 wrote: > And it's still even easier than that with MC. > MC > browse to the file then F4 > edit the file > F2 to save > done. I just tried mc for the first time to test the editor. It is quite easy wi= th=20 the handholding that I desire (menus with keys associated with standard=20 commands - no memorization required). It is simple. Thanx for pointing it= =20 out. I haven't done anything but glance at various iterations of midnight= =20 commander over the years, preferring other tools, but I will keep it in min= d=20 for future reference. praedor -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9wqlh1i/6R1B/Yh0RAudwAJoDSp+hcfER7TI79/P8UtAIGbzl6wCdHxat cYJxMJANwzy3bJYbSeo7XZ0=3D =3DEuk7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------=_1036167784-28558-504 Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ------------=_1036167784-28558-504-- From expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com Fri Nov 1 12:13:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from smtp.mandrake.com (smtp.mandrake.com [63.209.80.248]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FE0280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from yavin.mandrax.org (moseisley.mandrax.org [63.209.80.226]) by smtp.mandrake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4E083BFE; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 3DC29141291; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:04:29 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Received: from johan.ankarloo.nu (as1-2-5.an.g.bonet.se [212.181.53.23]) by smtp1.mandrax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD1A43E05 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from johan.ankarloo.nu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by johan.ankarloo.nu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id gA1H2jo9016395 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:02:45 +0100 Received: from localhost (gustaf@localhost) by johan.ankarloo.nu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) with ESMTP id gA1H2jUe016392 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:02:45 +0100 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:02:44 +0100 (CET) From: gustaf@johan.ankarloo.nu To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Loop: expert@ X-Sequence: 127 Precedence: list X-Validation-BY: gustaf@johan.ankarloo.nu Subject: [expert] Asus v8420 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1036170258-28558-511" Sender: expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1036170258-28558-511 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I cant get my Asus v8420 Graphics card to work properly. It works just fine in text mode, but thats it. Mandrake 9 graphical installation makes the computer hang. and when I try to install the card after an succesful text installation DrakX tells me "could not found any devices" It works just fine under M$ XP HELP ------------=_1036170258-28558-511 Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 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For further assistance, please send mail to The Postfix program : Name service error for aotto.com: Host not found, try again --6CD7D27F82.1036173186/example.com Content-Description: Delivery error report Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; example.com Arrival-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:59:10 -0500 (EST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; bogofilter@aotto.com Action: delayed Status: 4.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Name service error for aotto.com: Host not found, try again Will-Retry-Until: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:59:10 -0500 (EST) --6CD7D27F82.1036173186/example.com Content-Description: Undelivered Message Headers Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers Received: from maple.example.com (maple.example.com [192.168.1.20]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD7D27F82; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:59:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101074812.00d554a0@mail.example.com> X-Sender: smythe@mail.example.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 07:59:05 -0500 To: Tom Amazon From: David Smythe Subject: Re: flag settings Cc: bogofilter , Greg Lamb In-Reply-To: <3DC276BB.1000000@riconet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed --6CD7D27F82.1036173186/example.com-- From glamb@dynagen.on.ca Fri Nov 1 13:02:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from csl2.consultronics.on.ca (csl2.consultronics.on.ca [204.138.93.2]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D30D280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmist.concord.internal(localhost[127.0.0.1]) (1454 bytes) by csl2.consultronics.on.ca via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:02:18 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.114 2001-Aug-6 #5 built 2002-Mar-26) Received: (1094 bytes) by cmist.concord.internal via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for smythe@example.com; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:02:17 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #5 built 2000-Apr-12) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:02:17 -0500 From: Greg Lamb To: David Smythe Subject: Re: squishing the graph Message-ID: <20021101180217.GA2454@athame.dynagen.on.ca> Reply-To: Greg Lamb References: <20021101162159.GA1914@athame.dynagen.on.ca> <4.3.2.7.2.20021101113802.00bfae60@mail.example.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101113802.00bfae60@mail.example.com> Organization: Dynagen Consulting Limited On 20021101 (Fri) at 1139:25 -0500, David Smythe wrote: > Much, much better. It fits nicely on the screen, though (to pick a nit) > the titles are a bit small. Yes but if I do ps=10 (ie use 10 point type instead of 9) I have to go back up to 900x900 before it will print all the labels :( -- | G r e g l a m b | gpg public key: | | http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb | finger greg@sbc.nu | From expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com Fri Nov 1 13:26:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from smtp.mandrake.com (smtp.mandrake.com [63.209.80.248]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4884827F7F for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from yavin.mandrax.org (moseisley.mandrax.org [63.209.80.226]) by smtp.mandrake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7A883C01; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id B2B321412BD; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:17:08 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1364C14125F for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:16:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from www7.prodigy.net (www7-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.61.21]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.3 da nor stuldap/8.12.3) with SMTP id gA1IMpEk242322; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:22:51 -0500 To: , "Sevatio" , Message-Id: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:22:51 -0500 From: JM5379@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake 9......Mozilla Quickstart? Reply-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Loop: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Sequence: 132 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1036174616-28558-523" Sender: expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1036174616-28558-523 personally, i wouldn't/don't want countless programs loading automatically and unnecessarily, and this all begs the question - which programs are to do this own their own? if mozilla nad openoffice, why not every single program loaded on every available storage medium? unless each program has a definable option to let me decide which ones to pre-load, i'd much rather keep my RAM (however much or little i may have) free to do with as i choose, not as every program i choose to keep decides. for openoffice, i leave it up for as long as i forsee needing to use it - sometimes hours or days if i do constant updates to something. otherwise i can afford to wait until it comes up, doing other tasks in the meantime. preloading has its place and definite benefits, but it may well not be suitable for all; don't try to make it so. --- Original Message --- From: Sandeep Khanna To: Sevatio , expert@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake 9......Mozilla Quickstart? >Hi, > > >Sevatio wrote: > >> I've seen "quickstarts" of many kinds in Windoze, but out of >> curiosity: How much resources does a "quickstart" consume? Doesn't >> it preload parts of the application therefore unnecessarily using up >> resources? Why not just start it from an icon? > >With RAM so cheap and sop plenty, I don't think that should be a >problem. Why do people still want to go back to Windows?? One of the >reasons being, good User Interface principles............Hourglass >cursor when a program is loading, quick Browser opening, quick >spreadsheet opening...etc.... > >Linux is known to be fast, but, applications like Mozilla, Open Office >put shame on it's great reputation. I am sure this must not be anyone's >intention and there must be ways to tackle this. One of them being >loading portions of software during login or startup. > >--Sandeep > >> >> >> Sandeep Khanna wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Does anybody know of Mozilla quickstart in Linux. Or there is no >>> such thing !!! >>> Well, this feature is there in M$ Windows and not in Linux !!!! I >>> thought it is an Open Source project originating in the Open Source >>> World, so shouldn't it be having good killer features in Linux atleast ! >>> >>> Especially when, the main place Linux is lacking good speed is the >>> web browsing experience with the big lizard 'Mozilla' and Office >>> Suite like Open Office or KOffice (all of them damn slow !!!) >>> >>> Sandeep >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to >>> http://www.mandrakestore.com >> >> >> >> >> > >-- >Sandeep Khanna >Graduate Student in Computer Science, >Villanova University >Contact Number: >(Home) 1-610-964-1320 >(Office) 1-877-946-4622 Ext (106) >(Cell) 1-267-253-6808 > > >Quote of the day: > >Failure is the foundation of truth. It teaches us what isn't true, and that is a great beginning. To fear failure is to fear the possibility of truth. >--Joan Chittister > > > ------------=_1036174616-28558-523 Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ------------=_1036174616-28558-523-- From expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com Fri Nov 1 13:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from smtp.mandrake.com (smtp.mandrake.com [63.209.80.248]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19857280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:39:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from yavin.mandrax.org (moseisley.mandrax.org [63.209.80.226]) by smtp.mandrake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF5483C15; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4C2431412BB; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:30:40 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Received: from exchange1.nku.edu (exchange.nku.edu [192.122.237.32]) by smtp1.mandrax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B72A43E0F for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by exchange1.nku.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:36:30 -0500 Message-ID: <2961F29E9CFED4118E5700B0D068B70B0348E945@exchange1.nku.edu> From: Brian York To: "'expert@linux-mandrake.com'" Subject: RE: [expert] Spamassassin Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:36:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Reply-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Loop: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Sequence: 135 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1036175429-28558-525" Sender: expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1036175429-28558-525 Content-Type: text/plain I am working on the same project and have the same setup using OpenVMS. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Ken Hawkins [mailto:khawkins@nwcc.bc.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:51 PM To: mandrake expert Subject: [expert] Spamassassin Sorry if this is a repeat posting; suffering mail hiccups. Im Looking for some help/advice... New project put on my desk this morning.... Management want spam controlled better than current method, co-worker (sys admin) doesn't want to change over mail system wholesale. Current setup In: INTERNET--->Webshield(Antivirus on W2K)--->OpenVMS(VAX POP system)--->User Out: INTERNET<-----OpenVMS(SMTP)<-----------Webshield(Antivirus on W2K)<---User The request is to place SpamAssassin somewhere in the middle, before or after the W2K server. I have CD's for MDK 7.2, 8.2, and 9.0. The available box is a 1st generation pentium. The box would be dedicated to the 1 program. Management is NOT prepared to move off the VAX/OpenVMS email server. I am looking for suggestion/ideas on setup. I am NOT a guru, and couldn't program my way out of a wet paper bag 8^], but I do know my way around the file system, and can even get by at CLI with no mouse.... Thanks in advance Ken ------------=_1036175429-28558-525 Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ------------=_1036175429-28558-525-- From glamb@dynagen.on.ca Fri Nov 1 14:00:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from csl2.consultronics.on.ca (csl2.consultronics.on.ca [204.138.93.2]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EEA280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmist.concord.internal(localhost[127.0.0.1]) (2011 bytes) by csl2.consultronics.on.ca via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:00:50 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.114 2001-Aug-6 #5 built 2002-Mar-26) Received: (1651 bytes) by cmist.concord.internal via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for smythe@example.com; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:00:50 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #5 built 2000-Apr-12) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:00:50 -0500 From: Greg Lamb To: David Smythe Subject: Gary Message-ID: <20021101190050.GA2824@athame.dynagen.on.ca> Reply-To: Greg Lamb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Dynagen Consulting Limited Hi again: I've just fired off a note to Gary Robinson, giving him the url of the draft paper and asking him to take a look if he has the time and the interest. I'd like some feedback from a more knowledgeable statistician than I am, and he'd be an excellent candidate if he undertakes the review. I particularly asked him if he had any comments on the suitability of anova for this kind of data reduction. AFAIK the main prerequisite is that the raw data should be normally distributed, or close to it; the error rates are obviously not normally distributed, but I think they're close enough. My "expertise" is inadequate for me to be completely confident about it, however; all the anova work I've done hitherto has been in areas where the data, or at least a log transform thereof, were unquestionably suitable for anova. There are some more small wording changes and I've fixed a number of places in the scripts where the HTML rendering was swallowing stuff that started with < and a letter. Not quite sure but I think I've caught all of those now. -- | G r e g l a m b | gpg public key: | | http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb | finger greg@sbc.nu | From expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com Fri Nov 1 14:27:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from smtp.mandrake.com (smtp.mandrake.com [63.209.80.248]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CF0280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from yavin.mandrax.org (moseisley.mandrax.org [63.209.80.226]) by smtp.mandrake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4AC83C03; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id D30091412D6; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:18:23 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Received: from felix.monkeynoodle.org (m201-9.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.201.9]) by smtp1.mandrax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7D743E05 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from chupacabra.monkeynoodle.org (unknown [63.114.26.4]) by felix.monkeynoodle.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFDEEB45D for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:23:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [expert] where's pine? From: Jack Coates To: expert@linux-mandrake.com In-Reply-To: <200211010835.13076.praedor@yahoo.com> References: <1036110814.2994.9.camel@terminus.empire.org.uy> <200210311949.34150.etharp@earthlink.net> <200211010835.13076.praedor@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8-3mdk Date: 01 Nov 2002 11:23:15 -0800 Message-Id: <1036178597.3222.24.camel@chupacabra.monkeynoodle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Loop: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Sequence: 141 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1036178292-28558-539" Sender: expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1036178292-28558-539 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you should have nano available to you -- it's a GPL clone of pico, behaves exactly the same. On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 05:34, Praedor Tempus wrote: > On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:49 pm, ET wrote: > > On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:32 pm, Toshiro wrote: > > > Anybody knows why Mandrake is no longer providing this package? > > Does that include its parts such as pico? It would be nice for pico to be > included by itself if possible as it is one of the easiest to use text-based > editors there is. Vi and emacs are monstrosities that require a great deal > of cryptic command string memorization while pico is all right there. I > depend upon it to fix things from the CLI when things with the GUI go down > the tubes. > > praedor > > ---- > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... ------------=_1036178292-28558-539 Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ------------=_1036178292-28558-539-- From expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com Fri Nov 1 14:46:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from smtp.mandrake.com (smtp.mandrake.com [63.209.80.248]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFA5280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from yavin.mandrax.org (moseisley.mandrax.org [63.209.80.226]) by smtp.mandrake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C9483BFE; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 138D81412C1; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:38:00 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Received: from helios.digitalhermit.com (adsl108.cofs.net [64.244.108.108]) by smtp1.mandrax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A4D43E06 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:37:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from helios.digitalhermit.com (helios.digitalhermit.com [10.53.176.70]) by helios.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5FEC706 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:47:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:47:34 -0500 (EST) From: kwan@digitalhermit.com To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Subject: RE: [expert] portscans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Loop: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Sequence: 145 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1036179469-28558-544" Sender: expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1036179469-28558-544 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Chad wrote: > I remember reading an article in Linux Journal or something like that that > explained how to setup snort or some other software package to automatically > detect a port scan in progress and then to automatically block any other > connection attempts by that IP address. It automatically creates a block > using iptables/ipchains so there is no hacking risk if they portscan you > first because their IP will be blocked. That is, unless they on on DHCP / > Dial-Up / or using someone else's computer as their jump-off. However, it's > better than nothing. > > Unfortunately, I forgot what the software was, but I'm sure a good google > search using some of the keywords I've mentioned will find it. This is very useful; some Linux based firewalls such as Watchguard have a similar feature. But I've noticed that the IP scanning is becoming smarter to get around these blocks. The scanner will touch a few machines, just under the lockout threshold, then try again a few hours or days later. Some blocks won't check multiple IPs so a scanner could jump between a range of IPs and not trigger the alarm with a portscan. ------------=_1036179469-28558-544 Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ------------=_1036179469-28558-544-- From glamb@dynagen.on.ca Fri Nov 1 15:29:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from csl2.consultronics.on.ca (csl2.consultronics.on.ca [204.138.93.2]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A0B280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from athame.dynagen.internal(localhost[127.0.0.1]) (2359 bytes) by csl2.consultronics.on.ca via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:29:43 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.114 2001-Aug-6 #5 built 2002-Mar-26) Received: (1990 bytes) by athame.dynagen.internal via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for smythe@example.com; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:29:42 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #5 built 2000-Apr-12) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:29:42 -0500 From: Greg Lamb To: David Smythe Subject: Re: Gary Message-ID: <20021101202942.GA1293@athame.dynagen.on.ca> Reply-To: Greg Lamb References: <20021101190050.GA2824@athame.dynagen.on.ca> <4.3.2.7.2.20021101140554.00def1d0@mail.example.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101140554.00def1d0@mail.example.com> Organization: Dynagen Consulting Limited On 20021101 (Fri) at 1407:42 -0500, David Smythe wrote: > That'd be great if he can proof it. Hope he will. He was quite helpful when I was getting started. > html likes to have special characters spelled out. If you need, I can > probably dig up a list for you. Thanks, but I think I have what I need. There are two ways to fix that particular problem: (1) separate the < from the text; as in Delivered-To: admin@example.com Received: from oak.example.com (oak.example.com [192.168.1.10]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB718280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.example.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 173BC17E906; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:00:01 -0500 (EST) From: root@example.com (Cron Daemon) To: admin@example.com Subject: Cron setiathome/snap.seti X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: Message-Id: <20021101210001.173BC17E906@oak.example.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:00:01 -0500 (EST) rcp: setiathome/user_info.sah: No such file or directory 0514.0010.nic 192 1101.0546.oak 593 1101.1137.walnut 594 13382 show.seti.all 13382 show.seti.bak 26764 total From hansen@sunpro.net Fri Nov 1 16:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from sunpro.net (mail.sunpro.net [216.86.64.42]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B3B280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.44.17.194] (account ) by sunpro.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.5.9) with HTTP id 45604712 for ; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:21:16 -0500 From: Subject: Re: resume for netstar To: David Smythe X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:21:16 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101142127.00affc70@mail.example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Still living in Milford but working in Plymouth - and Novi. Full time at Broder Bros, distributor of sportswear, and a few hours a week at ADCO in Novi, Real Estate deveoloper. Dating a lady from Grand Blanc so I don't get to be home much. My two girls are a) graduated from MSU in 2001 and now at Eastern trying to get a masters and b) graduated from UofM Med School in 2002 now in Chicago in the first year of her residency at North Western. All is crazy, and normal. On Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:24:58 -0500 David Smythe wrote: > At 02:14 PM 11/1/02, hansen@sunpro.net wrote: > > >FYI > > Art, > > Thank you kindly. Where does Netstar have you working > now? Are you still in Milford? > > I'm still on Keech. Mary and the kids are well. The > young'uns are now in 3 different schools - Linda in 4th > grade at Bach Elementary, Mark in 7th at Slauson Middle, > and Eric in 9th at Pioneer. All doing well and growing > like weeds. Eric is taller than Mary and nearly as tall > as the old guy. 'Tis fun :-) > > David > > From spambayes-bounces@python.org Fri Nov 1 17:06:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [12.155.117.29]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638B1280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.python.org) by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 187jvl-0003w8-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:06:17 -0500 Received: from smtp.comcast.net ([24.153.64.2]) by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 187jvi-0003u0-00 for spambayes@python.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:06:14 -0500 Received: from cj569191b (pcp736393pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net [68.48.241.201]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) spambayes@python.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:05:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:05:48 -0500 From: Tim Peters Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Email client integration -- what's needed? In-reply-to: <15809.55308.1945.988931@montanaro.dyndns.org> To: skip@pobox.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-18.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_RFCI,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOK,USER_IN_WHITELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO X-Spam-Level: Cc: spambayes@python.org X-BeenThere: spambayes@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b4+ Precedence: list List-Help: List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Subscribe: , List-Post: List-Id: Discussion list for Pythonic Bayesian classifier Sender: spambayes-bounces@python.org Errors-To: spambayes-bounces@python.org [Skip Montanaro] > That's true, largely because that's what the focus of the initial phase of > the project was supposed to be. Even if it gets no farther than it is > today, the process has been highly educational for me, because we have an > expert in algorithm design (that'd be Tim) exposing his thought processes > and mechanics for the rest of us. I'm glad you've found it amusing . I'm afraid "think for a second, code for a minute, test for a day; repeat 6 times before you get a small win" is par for the course when trying to push any decent scheme beyond the 80/20 rule (each additional 20% improvement requires 80% of all the effort that went before). > That said, I think the classification stuff has gone about as far as it's > going to go. Me too. The classifier is hack-free now, as clean and uncompromising a realization of the underlying math as anything can be. The assumption of word independence is a limitation of the approach, though. > Future changes to the tokenizer are also likely to be incremental, so > the major changes over the next while will be in email integration. Yup! Thanks to Sean and especially Mark lately, the non-Windows platforms are a month behind on that too. It's a curious thing about Windows: because it is closed-source, the Windows market is homogenous enough that one major effort there can make millions of happy campers. I still hope that the pop3proxy can do that for non-Windows systems too, and that's the only advice I can offer: find a way to use the proxy instead of pursuing "deep integration" with unbounded dozens of quirky twenty-user email clients. _______________________________________________ Spambayes mailing list Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes From whatsnewnow@eletters1.ziffdavis.com Fri Nov 1 17:26:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from out10smtp7.ddc.dartmail.net (out10smtp7.ddc.dartmail.net [216.73.90.107]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF985280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from CORE10PUMPER2 (unknown [10.21.8.70]) by out10smtp7.ddc.dartmail.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 402385587B5 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:28:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: From: What's New Now from Ziff Davis To: smythe@example.com Subject: Special Edition: Judge Kotar-Kotelly Approves Final Judgment in Microsoft Case Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:28:29 -0500 (EST) ========================================================= -------- WHAT'S NEW NOW -------- Important Stories, Commentary & More from Ziff Davis ========================================================= SPECIAL EDITION November 1, 2002 Vol. 1, No. 17 ========================================================= Special Flash: Judge Kotar-Kotelly approves final judgment in Microsoft Case When something big breaks in the technology industry, What's New Now stops the presses and delivers a special e-mail to you, so you're always on top of the important stories... And today's is a doozy. Verdict: Judge Collen Kollar-Kotelly approves the proposed final judgment, siding with the federal government and nine states -- and against nine other states and the District of Columbia. This is a huge win for Microsoft: http://eletters1.ziffdavis.com/cgi-bin10/flo?y=eSjC0CILrD0HX60rxQ0AA Judge rules Microsoft can't retaliate against OEMs for five years: http://eletters1.ziffdavis.com/cgi-bin10/flo?y=eSjC0CILrD0HX60ryY0AJ If you're like me, you're probably pretty sick of this whole Microsoft and the Department of Justice thing. It seems like this case has gone on forever -- and now that technology has advanced, it's almost much ado about nothing. But much in the same way that tax evasion eventually brought famed gangster Al Capone to justice, Internet Explorer bundling may be the only way to rein in Microsoft's many supposedly anti-competitive business practices. At any rate, unfortunately this probably isn't the end of this twisty, turny, topsy road. 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From spambayes-bounces@python.org Fri Nov 1 17:55:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [12.155.117.29]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB690280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.python.org) by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 187khR-0003ri-01; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:55:33 -0500 Received: from 205-158-62-78.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.78] helo=smtp1.us4.outblaze.com) by mail.python.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 187khM-0003p8-00 for spambayes@python.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:55:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 16955 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 22:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO STRIPER) (seant:iname.com?iname.com@24.60.54.37) by 205-158-62-78.outblaze.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 22:54:51 -0000 From: "Sean True" To: "Tim Peters" , Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Email client integration -- what's needed? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:55:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-10.8 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOK,USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO X-Spam-Level: Cc: spambayes@python.org X-BeenThere: spambayes@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b4+ Precedence: list List-Help: List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Subscribe: , List-Post: List-Id: Discussion list for Pythonic Bayesian classifier Sender: spambayes-bounces@python.org Errors-To: spambayes-bounces@python.org > Yup! Thanks to Sean and especially Mark lately, the non-Windows platforms > are a month behind on that too. It's a curious thing about Windows: > because it is closed-source, the Windows market is homogenous enough that > one major effort there can make millions of happy campers. I still hope > that the pop3proxy can do that for non-Windows systems too, and that's the > only advice I can offer: find a way to use the proxy instead of pursuing > "deep integration" with unbounded dozens of quirky twenty-user email > clients. > Mark, mostly. I just complain. I'd like to second the pop3proxy architecture as the way forward. If it weren't for the fact that virus scanners weren't already sometimes adding both pop3 and smtp proxies to the mix on Windows, I would have pushed (er, whined) in favor of that architecture even for Outlook. (There is also the problem of how to configure proxies for the case of multiple pop3 accounts). You can mangle the host, user, and password together in a horrible looking user name, but it is really a pain. Nonetheless, it has a relatively clean API, and the same architecture could be used to proxy SMTP output traffic, catching messages to ham@wherever and spam@wherever, in order to talk to the training system. The same code then might run pretty happily on both the client and the server, depending on the needs of the installation. -- Sean _______________________________________________ Spambayes mailing list Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes From glamb@dynagen.on.ca Fri Nov 1 17:55:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from csl2.consultronics.on.ca (csl2.consultronics.on.ca [204.138.93.2]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F369280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from athame.dynagen.internal(localhost[127.0.0.1]) (1579 bytes) by csl2.consultronics.on.ca via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:55:47 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.114 2001-Aug-6 #5 built 2002-Mar-26) Received: (1210 bytes) by athame.dynagen.internal via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for smythe@example.com; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:55:46 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #5 built 2000-Apr-12) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:55:46 -0500 From: Greg Lamb To: David Smythe Subject: heard back from Gary Message-ID: <20021101225546.GA2326@athame.dynagen.on.ca> Reply-To: Greg Lamb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Dynagen Consulting Limited Hi again: Gary is "excited" that his method is in mainline bogofilter now. He will read through the page and let us know if he has comments. The spambayes people have been working on/with a further refinement of Gary's, involving a chi-square calculation. I knew about this (in concept, not in detail) but was daunted by the computation overhead. Gary says he doesn't know about that but thinks it ought to be doable. He's about to update his paper again, and when he does I'll code it up and try it, evaluating both discrimination (the spambayes folk say it's definitely better) and throughput. -- | G r e g l a m b | gpg public key: | | http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb | finger greg@sbc.nu | From spambayes-bounces@python.org Fri Nov 1 18:19:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [12.155.117.29]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667A2280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.python.org) by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 187l4j-0002CE-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:19:37 -0500 Received: from [63.100.190.10] (helo=smtp.zope.com) by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 187l4e-0002C8-00 for spambayes@python.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:19:33 -0500 Received: from slothrop.zope.com ([208.251.201.42]) by smtp.zope.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1NQO7C028432; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:26:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15811.3035.967754.435766@slothrop.zope.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:18:51 -0500 From: jeremy@alum.mit.edu (Jeremy Hylton) To: Tim Peters Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Email client integration -- what's needed? In-Reply-To: References: <15810.64929.812472.459643@slothrop.zope.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.00 under 21.4 (patch 6) "Common Lisp" XEmacs Lucid X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-10.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO X-Spam-Level: Cc: jeremy@alum.mit.edu Cc: spambayes@python.org X-BeenThere: spambayes@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b4+ Precedence: list Reply-To: Jeremy Hylton List-Help: List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Subscribe: , List-Post: List-Id: Discussion list for Pythonic Bayesian classifier Sender: spambayes-bounces@python.org Errors-To: spambayes-bounces@python.org >>>>> "TP" == Tim Peters writes: TP> [Jeremy Hylton] >> The pop proxy is great for people who use pop, but lots of people >> don't. TP> Name 362. Ha! Guido and at least 361 other people . >> Even for people who use pop, the proxy doesn't help with training >> at all. So I'm afraid it's just a mess for non-Windows users. TP> I don't know that means it can't be less of a mess, though. For TP> example, I expect we could use a common Training class, which TP> manages a database of opaque message objects and takes care of TP> things like calling appropriate classifier methods at TP> appropriate times, and remembering which messages have been TP> trained on as what. Mark invented a bunch of code like that for TP> the Outlook client, but there's really nothing Outlook-specific TP> about it apart from the all Outlook-specific bits . Those TP> could be factored out, though. I should look at integrating Mark's code and my own training system based on VM folders. See what common code falls out. Jeremy _______________________________________________ Spambayes mailing list Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes From mdlug-return-6195-smythe=example.com@mdlug.org Fri Nov 1 20:02:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from mdlug.org (cpe-24-221-90-239.mi.sprintbbd.net [24.221.90.239]) by example.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F2BEC280E2 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2682 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2002 01:00:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact mdlug-help@mdlug.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: mdlug@mdlug.org Delivered-To: mailing list mdlug@mdlug.org Received: (qmail 2652 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 01:00:55 -0000 From: Joe Sandlot To: mdlug Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 01 Nov 2002 20:00:07 -0500 Message-Id: <1036198807.13996.4.camel@squash.scalabledynamics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [MDLUG] OT: seeking recommendations Hi folks: Looking for recommendations for things like business printers (e.g. for rapid turn around of business cards etc), and where to turn to in order to get shirts (polo) imprinted with business paraphernalia (logos, websites, etc). Assume I have less than 10 days to get all this done, starting ... today (friday) :) Who is good? Where to go? Something in driving distance of Canton MI? Offline replies encouraged. Joe -- Garret Sandlot, Ph.D Scalable Dynamics LLC, email: sandlot@scalabledynamics.com web : http://scalabledynamics.com phone: +1 888 612 4615 From aadldatedue@aadl.annarbor.lib.mi.us Fri Nov 1 20:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from aadl.annarbor.lib.mi.us (aadl.annarbor.lib.mi.us [204.38.6.9]) by example.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EB329280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by aadl.annarbor.lib.mi.us for SMYTHE@EXAMPLE.COM; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:59:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:59:57 -0500 From: ANN ARBOR DISTRICT LIBRARY To: smythe@example.com Message-Id: <021101205957.533f@aadl.annarbor.lib.mi.us> Subject: Advanced Date Due Notice The titles listed below will be due on: Monday 04-NOV-2002 Please return them to the Main Library or any Branch. 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TITLES: Misty of Chincoteague / From mdlug-return-6198-smythe=example.com@mdlug.org Fri Nov 1 21:50:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from mdlug.org (cpe-24-221-90-239.mi.sprintbbd.net [24.221.90.239]) by example.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EB49D280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8076 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2002 02:48:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact mdlug-help@mdlug.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: mdlug@mdlug.org Delivered-To: mailing list mdlug@mdlug.org Received: (qmail 8062 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 02:48:42 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: MDLUG List Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:46:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02110121463800.15605@glen.organic-earth.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [MDLUG] No kidding? Re: Linksys routers with older firmware. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,663846,00.asp Please note that after the router goes down, your intra-net is now effectively part of the DMZ. Rooting takes only a few moments. "Housekeeping to the transporter room. Kirk out." From expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com Fri Nov 1 23:08:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from smtp.mandrake.com (smtp.mandrake.com [63.209.80.248]) by example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744DA280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from yavin.mandrax.org (moseisley.mandrax.org [63.209.80.226]) by smtp.mandrake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8477B83C0C; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by yavin.mandrax.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id CF2EA141359; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:59:08 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (lakemtao02.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by smtp1.mandrax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFB743E07 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from michael ([68.1.124.170]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20021102035115.CCEA16428.lakemtao03.cox.net@michael> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:51:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20021101215025.00a616c8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: mviron@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 21:50:26 -0600 To: expert@linux-mandrake.com From: Michael Viron Subject: Re: [expert] where's pine? Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Loop: expert@linux-mandrake.com X-Sequence: 157 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1036209537-28558-591" Sender: expert-owner@linux-mandrake.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1036209537-28558-591 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Try joe, which I believe is still released with Mandrake. It's comparable to pico. Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online At 09:09 AM 11/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Doesn't MC require a working X? If X is toasted, is the MC editor still >useable? > >praedor > >On Friday 01 November 2002 08:48 am, logic7 wrote: >> Use the editor in MC. It's dead simple to use. no silly command strings >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: praedor@lapdog.ravenhome.net >> [mailto:praedor@lapdog.ravenhome.net]On Behalf Of Praedor Tempus >> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:35 AM >> To: expert@linux-mandrake.com >> Subject: Re: [expert] where's pine? >> >> On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:49 pm, ET wrote: >> > On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:32 pm, Toshiro wrote: >> > > Anybody knows why Mandrake is no longer providing this package? >> >> Does that include its parts such as pico? It would be nice for pico to be >> included by itself if possible as it is one of the easiest to use >> text-based editors there is. Vi and emacs are monstrosities that require a >> great deal of cryptic command string memorization while pico is all right >> there. I depend upon it to fix things from the CLI when things with the >> GUI go down the tubes. >> >> praedor >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQE9wos71i/6R1B/Yh0RAmiRAJ4hY0avU4UKD7JFx3tF0AslIpi7DgCgilVk >KPd3El/RSMsLwiMYzUzc7Nw= >=CLnw >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > ------------=_1036209537-28558-591 Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ------------=_1036209537-28558-591-- From mdlug-return-6207-smythe=example.com@mdlug.org Fri Nov 1 23:39:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: smythe@example.com Received: from mdlug.org (cpe-24-221-90-239.mi.sprintbbd.net [24.221.90.239]) by example.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D6150280E1 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14212 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2002 04:37:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact mdlug-help@mdlug.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: mdlug@mdlug.org Delivered-To: mailing list mdlug@mdlug.org Received: (qmail 14200 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 04:37:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3DC35680.6010502@riconet.net> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:37:20 -0500 From: Tom Amazon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020623 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mdlug@mdlug.org References: <3DC34D28.2050809@riconet.net> <1036210222.1723.22.camel@protein.scalabledynamics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [MDLUG] mail filter + Mail::Audit Garret Sandlot wrote: > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 22:57, Tom Amazon wrote: > >>HI JOE!! >> >>Have you ever looked at Mail::Audit? >>Seems to be the Frankenstein between procmail and perl. > > > Hi Tom: > > I thought Spamassassin was built atop Mail::Audit. Seems I was wrong, > but yes, I know about it. I thought you did as well. > > I'll bet its probably pretty close to what you want.... > > Joe > I don't think that email confirmation is all that effective. Especially for someone who is fairly free with their address. You never know what someone is going to use for an auto-responder when you subscribe some email-newsletter. This is just one example. What I liked about Mail::Audit when I saw it was the simplicity of how it wrapped up various functions. The one thing that I have learned so far about email filters is that: 1 -- bouncing mail back to spammers only blows up your mail-queue. 2 -- Having a queue of 2700 emails is a real pain. 3 -- If you are going to blacklist someone, do it /dev/null style 4 -- Whitelisting might be better, add auto-replies to confirm that the Sender was not tossed into the bit bucket. 5 -- with bogofilter and spamassassin (not spamd) I can only manage about 1 email per second overall. I backed off from spamd because they have so many warnings about the potential problems with running as root. I decided since I'm not running a major email server I can push this back to the slower, yet potentially more secure spamassassin. Do you know where spamd puts the auto-whitelists? I couldn't find them. That was the other reason I went to spamd. Mail::Audit is a tool that any spam-combatant should be aware of. -- poisoned coffee, n.: Grounds for divorce.