Master Aleksandr Ruslanovich and Lady Morwenna Westerne :
We don't think Carolingia currently has an image problem. Many
members of the barony travel now, and widely. We are no longer
perceived as superior or insular. Similarly, Carolingians no longer
have a reputation as exclusively dancers or fencers. Thanks largely
to the efforts of Johanna and Aquel, our arts -- both peaceful and
martial - -- are both diversified and well-known.
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Mistress Caitlin Davies :
Master Justin du Coeur :
In practice, the B/B's most important role here is the gentle give and
take of personal relations -- getting to know the other groups
(especially the neighboring ones) on a personal level, going to their
events, and generally being friends with them. There are occasionally
treaties to negotiate and such, but they're relatively few and far
between. Most of the work is in being comfortable enough with the other
Baronies to smooth matters when something of import *does* happen.
This is more Caitlin's area of experience than mine, I'll admit. She
plays quite heavily at the Kingdom level, and already knows many of
these folks pretty well. (The consequence of having been a Kingdom
officer for many years. As Regional Seneschal, she's been trying to
periodically visit the groups in the region anyway.) It would be a bit
more learning for me, but I figure that an excuse to get out to more
events is not a bad thing...
Lady Godith Anyon :
Lady Emmanuelle de Chenonceaux :
Master Seamus Donn :
Using that as a yard stick the goal I might set is to drive that merchant out of business! (or at least into different merchandise) Not by direct pressure but by creating a public
image that no longer demands those sorts of goods.
In Ireland to keep on good relations with our Celtic neighbours we had wars, cattle raids, territorial disputes and even stole one of the Scottish Shire's islands at one point. I
said in answer to another question "to embrace the Current Middle Ages is to embrace (good natured) conflict". The geography and people here are a bit different. What
might suit the tone better would be a series of arranged marriages, hostage exchanges, and/or fosterings. Perhaps just dramatic trappings, but the echoing of period methods
of reaching out does foster a more open atmosphere that the administrative side of the game can use to do their side of the work.
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
The ways to remedy the perception of Carolingians as
snobby, stuffy, and insular are for Carolingians to
visit other places and to lure those from other places
into Carolingia. As baronial coronet, I would
anticipate traveling quite a bit and representing
Carolingia to other places. It would also be my duty
to be as welcoming as possible to others when they
visit Carolingia.
Carolingia does have a problem, a happy problem, in
that we are difficult to compete with. I personally
find our events more interesting and well run than
most other places I have been. Problems occurs if we,
as Carolingians, are perceived as setting ourselves up
as the model for all to follow (or actually do try to
tell others what to do, which has happened on
occasion!). Any suggestions to others should be
solicited, or offered extremely tactfully.
Carolingians in general are a helpful lot; we just
need to be tactfully helpful.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
The most important thing the Coronet can do to alleviate these problems is to
travel to neighboring events, not nessarily constantly but regularly, and
(most important) *visibly* as Carolingians. With luck they will inspire
others to travel with them: the best cure for the image problem would be
Carolingians who are recognized as such, and who are having a good time
Playing With Others. The second most important thing the Coronet can do is
to recognize visitors who come to our events and to make them feel welcome;
we do put on large and interesting events, and more people would be happy
coming to them from out-barony if they didn't think they'd be ignored or
looked down on.
Seigneur Jehan du Lac :
As we all know, the baron/ess doesn't actually have all that much real
power. Their power is all that of example, persuasion, and interpersonal
skills. Being easy-to-find and easy-to-talk-to makes a huge difference.
Master John McGuire :
Barring that, declare a war on you neighbors at least once a year and
lead a horde of troops against them. Or ally against yet a third
Barony. This greatly improves interbaronial relations... :)
Shi Hua Fu and Lady Yelizaveta Medvedeva :
In general, Carolingia needs to be seen as non-insular. Having a
populace who make visitors feel welcome can achieve that, and the
Baron and Baroness should lead the way and set an example. When
outside of Carolingia, the Baron and Baroness are the ambassadors for
the group, and need to act in that role accordingly.
I don't think that Carolingia currently has an image problem outside the
barony. We have an *image* but not a problem. People in other groups
might see us as arts and sciences mavens -- but only some of them.
Others might not understand how we govern ourselves (the concept of
representational government, such as this Council vote, is foreign to
some other baronies' officers). But I think we've shed the snob image,
and the never-travel image, and most people elsewhere see us as
dedicated, and articulate, and devoted to our arts and skills.
The Baron/ess has two roles in inter-baronial relations. One is their
relationship with the ordinary citizens of other groups and other
kingdoms. The baron/ess owes all of them courtesy, and should strive to
be an example of why Carolingia is the best group in all the world. The
other role is that of relating as a peer with other baron/esses within
the kingdom, mingling socially, and perhaps making arrangements and
treaties for interbaronial events and/or tournaments (such as the hurley
matches against Settmour Swamp, or the Great Northeastern War).
At this point, I think our image is reasonably good. Certainly it's far
better than it was when I started, when we had real problems -- we were
basically perceived as isolationist snobs by a lot of folks. That got
dealt with a good ten years ago or more, mainly by encouraging folks to
get out more and be involved with the Kingdom as a whole. I think that
gentle encouragement wants to continue -- that sort of cross-pollination
is good for the Barony in more ways than simply our reputation -- but I
don't think it needs to address a particular problem any more.
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To a certain extent Carolingia is always going to be
somewhat insular -- we are a sufficiently large group that one does
not have to travel to have a full SCA life. Also, regardless of the
reality, Carolingia is always going to be perceived as insular,
whether we are or not, simply because memories for grievances are
long and it's always easier to believe the worst of people you do
not know. So I'm sure that among some people we do and always will
have an image problem. Nevertheless, we should not make it worse
than it has to be. Mara's little talks at dance practice, for
example, warn people that other groups do things differently, and we
must respect that.
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From time to time? When asked at Pennsic where I am from, I answer proudly- I'm from Carolingia. This is generally met with a pitying look, or laugh and a
declaration of "I'm sorry." There is a merchant who sells bumper stickers "We don't CARE how they do it in Carolingia." Our DANCERS have their own light bulb joke. Yes,
we have an image problem. What to do about it? Not an easy solution. We are an old joke. I think I would try to be myself, and behave in manner that reflects well on our
barony, and projects approachability and a sense of humor. I would like to have a presence at events nearby, to help mitigate inaccurate stereotypes.
I have seen bumper stickers commercially on sale reading "We don't care how they do it in Carolingia". Given the cost, quantity and solvency of the merchant
there is clearly a market for such thing. I think we might class this as "having a problem outsisde the barony".
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Let us say that I think there is a perception problem
about Carolingia. I think Aquel and Johanna have done
a great deal to reduce this perception problem just by
being friendly, approachable, and pleasant. As
baronial coronets, Kali and I would certainly plan to
continue that effort.
As far as I know, Carolingia's reputation outside the barony is not nearly as
bad as it has been at times in the past, which is good. On the other hand, I
would be surprised if our problem with negative image ever went away
completely: Carolingia is a larger and more active group than our neighbors,
and we usually put on more and larger events. This means that overall, fewer
Carolingians feel the need to look outside the barony for their "fix" of SCA
activity. (Consider also the significant proportion of Carolingians who are
students, with limited access to transportation and limited travel budget.)
Hence the widespread perception that Carolingians Don't Play With Others.
This is not only a negative image in itself but it feeds other negative
images, since people then don't realize some of the nice people they've met
are in fact Carolingians. ("*You* can't be Carolingians! You're regular
people!")
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I think that Carolingia's image problem has been much improved under
Johanna and Aquel, because they are very affable and approachable people
and make excellent ambassadors for Carolingia. I would make a
conscientious attempt to visit our neighbors and attend their events
when I could. I have a long-standing commitment to work in the kitchen
at Simplefaire in BBM, and I don't see why Jack the kitchen boy will
stop doing that :). That at least secures our reputation in along one of
our borders.
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Carolingians are still not known for travelling. The Baron and/or
Baroness should make an attempt to make major events outside the
barony. Showing your face at a few events goes a long way,
particularly if you go with a few retainers/recognizable Carolingians.
The biggest role is being friendly to your surrounding Baron and
Baroneses and extend to them and their residents every courtesy.
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When Yelizaveta was a merchant 8-10 years ago and traveled all over
the East, people were surprised to see a Carolingian so far from home.
That's not so uncommon right now, but it does change. The desire to
travel hours and hours to distant events seems to ebb and flow
depending on whether or not it's a highly desirable event to attend
and whether or not there are a few people here encouraging and
facilitating people going. Water always flows to the easiest path -
there needs to be an effort made to keep out-barony travel happening,
whether through carpooling or promoting the event.
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