What do you feel the Barony does well? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
We provide a good environment for activities and
events to occur. The barony places minimal
restrictions on who can autocrat an event, what type
of event they can do, or what activities can occur at
that event. As a result we have a tradition of many
interesting events covering a wide range of
activities.
The guild structure provides a good support structure
for many arts and science activities. Although
individual guilds and activities may go through cycles
of activity and inactivity, in general there is plenty
to do. Almost anyone who wants to organize an activity
or meeting, can. And Carolingia supports and produces
performance arts like no where else.
I think Carolingia has a reasonable balance in its
"patriotic fervor" if you will. People can choose to
act as Carolingians and support Carolingia as an
entity, or choose to act independently and can make
that choice for each activity. It is not an all or
nothing proposition.
Carolingia provides an environment for independent
growth that is relatively rare in the SCA. You do not
have to be a member of a household, apprenticed to
someone, or squire to someone in order to do things
here or in order to receive recognition. Now
households, squires, apprentices and proteges can be
excellent and useful things, but I like it that it is
not *required* in order to be someone in Carolingia.
Many of the "homegrown" Laurels (ie. never apprenticed
to someone) I know of come from Carolingia. Homegrown
peers are unheard of in some other parts of the
kingdom.
Due to Aquel and Johanna's hard work, I think that at
the moment the barony is, for such a large group, a
relatively welcoming and encouraging place. Aquel and
Johanna demonstrate their personal interest in the
people of the barony, especially those entering or
leaving. I would like to see this welcoming and
friendly attitude continue in the next baronial
coronet(s).
In summary, I think Carolingia is a fabulous place to
be and I love it here.
Theater is one of my own particular activities, and I've heard repeatedly
over the years how other groups cannot conceive of doing full-length
Shakespeare plays as SCA events, by and for SCA members, or of doing truly
improvisational commedia dell'arte performances the way i Sebastiani do.
The Waytes have attained a level of skill and professionalism that makes
them set the standard across most of the kingdom (and beyond, via
Pennsic).
The Poulet Gauche strives for higher and higher levels of authenticity and
total immersion each time it's held, and does so without leaving people
behind but rather meeting the challenge of the rising bar. Carolingia was
one of the first groups in the East to develop archery as a group
activity,
and still there are always Carolingians in the top of every kingdom
archery
list; similarly with thrown weapons (but you'd know that better than I).
Hurley is a very recent example of an activity that (within Carolingia)
came out of nowhere to becoming some people's main area of involvement,
and
to a level where we're challenging the people who developed it first.
It's not so much these activities in particular - and there are so many,
many more (look, I left out dance as a Carolingian activity!) - but the
*number* of them that most impresses me. Sure, individual activities wax
and wane in number of participants and level of involvement, but there's
always so many that are at a high level at any time. That's what makes
Carolingia truly amazing, by my lights.
In my opinion, Carolingia is an active and vibrant
entity. Carolingia is quite remarkable in its breadth
of activities and ability to support those activities,
in its range of event types, and its large population
of diverse interests. Sometimes we don't realize how
remarkable. There are places where things we take for
granted NEVER happen and where events are rarely more
creative than a standard tournament and feast.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
Carolingia does lots of things well. To be more precise, Carolingia "does
lots of things" well: what's so remarkable about the barony is the great
number and variety of activities that we pursue at a high level of skill.
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What do you feel the Barony needs to improve upon, and, as Baron, what steps would you take toward that improvement? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
I think we can improve on the interest and pageantry
of our courts. This is one of the things the Baronial
coronet does have under its control. Court is
important to both Kali and me. We desire interesting
but reasonably efficient courts that have suitable
amounts of pomp and circumstance and a certain
theatrical element. I know this is somewhat vague, but
we don't have a full plan ready to plug in. But we are
willing to experiment.
There are a few things I would like to see improve
that are partially or could be partially under the
baronial coronet's control. These include a more
regular or frequent meeting schedule for the baronial
orders, an encouragement or return of some baronial
social activities such as baronial pot lucks, baronial
coronet at homes, etc. and a reexamination of the
Champions/guards issue. (See the next question below.)
I can see some things already that the Coronet could do about it, that
Gwendolyn and I would consider doing: regularly visiting all different
groups, guild meetings, and practices - not just dropping in, but getting
to know the people and the activity, and actively giving the participants
a
feeling of their context within the goings-on of the whole barony.
Encouraging special events that get several different groups working
together, like the ballet de cour at the February event. Encouraging
guilds to hold "open houses," or some sort of function bigger and more
open
than a regular meeting / practice, but different from an in-persona
baronial Event. Providing public recognition of activity through more
means than the existing baronial Orders, especially in court. In general,
using the position and prominence of the Coronet to promote synergy in
many
and different ways.
There are some things I would like to see improve that
are not within the baronial coronet's control. These
include a more regular spacing of events and the
integration of children into the barony's activities.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
The dark side of having so many activities pursued at such a high level is
splintering, the danger of whole groups turning inwards, each
concentrating
on their activity and losing touch with the others and therefore with the
whole. It's the nature of things that people will find a favorite
activity
and make it their first priority; it becomes a problem when they make it
their *only* activity. I don't want to see Carolingia become an early
music group, an early dance society, a fencing school, a martial arts
group, a couple of theater troupes, a cooking circle, a hurley club, etc.,
etc. with nothing in common but Council and the Coronet - and I'm not
saying it will happen. But there's tendencies in that direction already.
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From time to time, people have felt that Carolingia had an image problem outside our borders. Do you think Carolingia currently has an image problem outside the barony? If so, do you have any particular ideas how you might remedy that? If not, what do you think is the Baron/ess' most important role, if any, in inter-baronial relations? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
The ways to remedy the perception of Carolingians as
snobby, stuffy, and insular are for Carolingians to
visit other places and to lure those from other places
into Carolingia. As baronial coronet, I would
anticipate traveling quite a bit and representing
Carolingia to other places. It would also be my duty
to be as welcoming as possible to others when they
visit Carolingia.
Carolingia does have a problem, a happy problem, in
that we are difficult to compete with. I personally
find our events more interesting and well run than
most other places I have been. Problems occurs if we,
as Carolingians, are perceived as setting ourselves up
as the model for all to follow (or actually do try to
tell others what to do, which has happened on
occasion!). Any suggestions to others should be
solicited, or offered extremely tactfully.
Carolingians in general are a helpful lot; we just
need to be tactfully helpful.
The most important thing the Coronet can do to alleviate these problems is to
travel to neighboring events, not nessarily constantly but regularly, and
(most important) *visibly* as Carolingians. With luck they will inspire
others to travel with them: the best cure for the image problem would be
Carolingians who are recognized as such, and who are having a good time
Playing With Others. The second most important thing the Coronet can do is
to recognize visitors who come to our events and to make them feel welcome;
we do put on large and interesting events, and more people would be happy
coming to them from out-barony if they didn't think they'd be ignored or
looked down on.
Let us say that I think there is a perception problem
about Carolingia. I think Aquel and Johanna have done
a great deal to reduce this perception problem just by
being friendly, approachable, and pleasant. As
baronial coronets, Kali and I would certainly plan to
continue that effort.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
As far as I know, Carolingia's reputation outside the barony is not nearly as
bad as it has been at times in the past, which is good. On the other hand, I
would be surprised if our problem with negative image ever went away
completely: Carolingia is a larger and more active group than our neighbors,
and we usually put on more and larger events. This means that overall, fewer
Carolingians feel the need to look outside the barony for their "fix" of SCA
activity. (Consider also the significant proportion of Carolingians who are
students, with limited access to transportation and limited travel budget.)
Hence the widespread perception that Carolingians Don't Play With Others.
This is not only a negative image in itself but it feeds other negative
images, since people then don't realize some of the nice people they've met
are in fact Carolingians. ("*You* can't be Carolingians! You're regular
people!")
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If you could change three things about Carolingia (or Carolingians as a whole) what would they be? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
2. Space events more evenly. (I know we are working on
this.)
3. More explicit appreciation of the work we do for
each other.
1. The scheduling of events: We've made a deliberate effort over the past
several years, and still we seem stuck with a boom-and-bust cycle. This
makes it harder for us to retain new members ("Events are what it's all
about; our next one is four and a half months away, and it's not a typical
event") and for other groups to schedule around us (like one or two years ago
when between Festival of Storytelling, Legends of Chivalry, and Falling
Leaves Carolingia basically booked the month of September), and most
important, makes it harder for us to put our best effort into every event and
still have fun. I would get us onto a more evenly paced calendar if I could.
2. More cross-communication and interaction between groups: I am concerned
by the tendency for some guilds (and other activity-based groups) to turn
inward, to turn their participants into specialists. To a very real extent
it's a natural consequence of factors which themselves are good things:
having so very many activities going on, each being done at such a high level
of proficiency. No one can do *everything*, and doing your own thing takes
so much time. But it comes at a cost in community and fellowship, and if I
could change the cost without losing the benefit, I would.
3. Recognition of achievement: There are more Carolingians than ever doing
more cool stuff than ever, and our means of recognizing them are not keeping
up. I want to find more ways of showing the barony's appreciation of the
things that make us so great. See the question on the awards system for
fuller development of this theme.
1. Carolingians in general seem to love to tell each
other and those outside of Carolingia how to do
things. I would like to see more tactful helpfulness
on our part.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
(Not necessarily in order of priority, but the order they occur to me.)
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For a long time in Carolingia, there was a very strong ethic of "everybody works, everybody pays". In the last 5 or so years, that has shifted, and it has become more socially acceptable for autocrats and head-cooks to decide to "comp" volunteers (e.g. feed the kitchen staff without requiring them to pay on-board). Do you have an opinion about this practice? Do you think it good, bad, in between, neither, both? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
My personal views were formed back when this ethic was so universal, it
wasn't even articulated. On the other hand, I recognize that the barony has
changed since then, has grown so big that not everyone *could* work at any
one event, even if they wanted to, and so it's not completely unreasonable to
recognize some distinction between those who are doing a lot of work and
those who aren't doing any. But then it can get sticky drawing a hard and
exact line at which amount of work is worth the cost of admission. Speaking
for myself, I would always pay; speaking for the barony, it is the autocrat's
decision - ultimately they can do what they want, that's why we call them
autocrats.
I do not think that the practice is good or bad. As
long as there is no misunderstanding, then I do not
think there is a problem. To me, the problems arise if
there is some confusion about who should pay, or if
there is a perception of unfairness by those who did
some work, but still had to pay. These problems could
be very bad, but I think the practice itself is
neutral.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
Yes. All of those. Let's say I have mixed feelings.
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As Baron/ess, you would become a bestower of awards. What do you feel about the SCA Award System, especially as it exists here in the East and in Carolingia? Do you have any criticisms of it, and if so how will that be reflected in how you deal with giving awards? Do you prefer to "err early" or "err late" in giving awards? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
I certainly have criticisms of the SCA's award system,
but I don't believe that would be reflected in how I
gave awards. Whatever I think of the award, the
recipient, or the giver, the giving of the award
should be treated as a very important, joyful thing
happening to a very important person. Giving awards is
certainly not the time for airing any criticisms. My
view is influenced by the fact that I, personally,
have had the experience of having awards I just
received denigrated, or the giver's competence
dismissed.
As far as the "err early or late" goes of course one
prefers to be "on time", and it really comes down to a
case by case basis, but I would prefer to "err early."
I think there are also some shortcomings that are inherent in the existing
award system. One of the serious ones is the inability to repeat an award:
as long as the Laurel recognizes depth of achievement in a field more than
breadth over several, for instance, then doing Manche-quality work in four
different fields still gets you only the one Manche you got in the first
field. I think there are other shortcomings in the order system of as well:
the overwhelmingly ubiquitous arts-martial arts-service tripartite division,
for example, and the love of "surprising" people with awards. (Come on, how
often in the First Middle Ages was a peer of the realm elevated to that rank
without knowing it well ahead of time?)
I would like the Coronet (whether that's me or anyone else) to look for other
ways to award the Carolingian orders more promptly and more often, and for
ways of extending recognition besides order membership. Badges of favor, for
instance, or less specific gifts from the Coronet can be meaningful
expressions of public recognition; the creation of a Baronial Guard or
Household, putting the best of the barony out in full view. Aquel and
Johanna began to do some of this; I would like to see it taken further.
The SCA award system has its problems. Some of these
problems include the lack of peerage level skill
awards (or orders) for fencing and archery, the messy
nature of orders and awards being combined, and the
low response level of pollings. I believe that
Carolingia has the right idea having one martial
order, one arts and sciences order, and one service
order.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
I prefer not to err at all. I do believe that an award recognizes a level
already attained, which I guess would be interpreted as preferring to "err
late" by those who use that dichotomy. However, I feel we've been giving
awards much *too* late in recent years - I would like to see the Coronet
doing what it can to meet with the orders more often. I'd like to find a way
of expediting the polling process as well, but it's not as easy to do that
without cutting corners that might leave something important out - as an
order member, I've been very leary of changes in polling procedures that
seemed to save time by cutting out important discussion. (I'm also very
aware that the principals of all three Carolingian orders are also candidates
for the coronet; I'll be interested to find out how they answer this
question.)
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In AS28, the Board of Directors passed a rule requiring membership for attending all SCA events. It was later repealled. How do you feel about this kind of "pay to play" rule? What do you feel membership in the SCA, Inc should be required for, if anything? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
I feel, strongly, that the "pay to play" name is both too flip and a grave
misnomer to boot: regardless of membership, we pay to attend almost every
event anyway [see next question for a completely different facet of this],
and it is that money which pays for our "play". Anyone who comes to an event
and pays the site fee, even if not a paid member, is "playing"; someone who
sends in their money and gets a membership card, but doesn't come to events,
isn't. Money sent to Milpitas doesn't get the feast cooked, the music
played, or the pots scrubbed. The "play" depends entirely on local money and
local volunteer labor.
Which is not to say the Corporation has absolutely no merits: local money
doesn't pay for insurance, and volunteer labor won't save us from a lawsuit.
On the other hand, there are other organizational models that can address
these concerns. Add to that the secretive, deceitful, and patronizing way in
which the Board acted in making that decision, and I take rather a dim and
skeptical view of mandatory membership (my name for the policy).
That's my opinion. It's a strong one, but it's personal. Again I emphasize
that, were I Baron, my opinion would not be any more pertinent than that of
other Carolingians.
I am opposed to a "pay to play" rule, that requires
you must be a member to attend an event, but I have no
problem with membership being required to hold an
office, to handle money, fight, etc.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
I believe this question is very much on the Corporation / seneschalate /
mundane business side of the Society, and as such is completely outside the
Coronet's purview. That stipulated, I know there are people who think the
Coronet's opinion is still relevant, so I'll tell you.
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In your opinion, what is best thing about the Society? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
The best thing about the Soceity is the people in the
Soceity. The SCA is filled with incredibly talented,
intelligent people who are generous with their time
and energy, are interested in many aspect of the
Middle Ages and the Renaissance, and are willing to
play dress up. I adore doing things I love with the
people in the Soceity. After all, I have met many
people I admire, some of my best friends, and my
husband in the Society.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
If you mean, what do I like most about it: it's a wonderfully large group of
friends who have a common interest in the Middle Ages, at a common level, and
who have found a fun way to do it. A small circle of professional academics
in a book club would still count as a medievalist hobby group, but would
certainly not have kept my interest all these years.
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What do you personally think constitutes "politics"? Are all "politics" evil? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
Politics is influencing or shaping policy. There are
many different kind of politics; it is a tool that can
be used in many different ways for different goals.
All politics are not evil.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
"Politics" is talking about how to get things done; "evil politics" is
talking at the expense of getting things done, or non-constructively
criticizing how other people are getting things done. Not the same thing.
Don't let evil politics drive out good.
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Favorite "Magic Moment"? (More than one if you can't choose. :) :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
And there are many, many more.
King Gyrth organizing pillow-fights at the rained-out Peace, saying it was in
fulfillment of his coronation oath; the charge of the Western knights at
Pennsic 6; Caryl and Asenath wading downstream in their shifts, herding rose
petals; the long walk through the black woods to the parking lot at Legends
at midnight, with just a candle-lantern; the jongleurs singing "Rosa Vernans"
in Memorial Hall; the first sight of the fort on the field at Pennsic 30; the
songs and the faces around many a campfire; single, one-armed combat on the
bridge at Pennsic 15 (or so); Grendel's Arm at the Beowulf event. The
memories keep coming, but I have to stop typing because I have five more
questions to go.
There are so many it is truly difficult. Thinking
about it, I would say that I have a magic moment at
almost every event I attend. That leaves a lot to
choose from. Here are a few:
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
Like the "greatest kindness" question, I've seen too many to pick just one.
Oh wait, I did pick just one for that question; I still can't for this.
Here's just a few:
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What is the kindest thing you have ever seen in the Society? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
When I dislocated my shoulder at a tourney at Tufts in 1980, Aquel and
Johanna drove me and Caryl to the HCHP clinic. They waited with us while the
clinic took an unconscionably long time confirming it really was dislocated.
They kept Caryl company while I was wheeled away and put to sleep for half an
hour, and gave us a ride back to the Buttery. They didn't have to stay with
us all that time - I obviously wasn't going to die, or anything - but they
acted as though this was a perfectly natural way to spend the afternoon, and
that there was absolutely nothing worth going back to the event for.
While I won't say this was the kindest thing I've *ever* seen done in the
SCA, it set a high standard I've tried to live up to ever since.
I have seen many kindnesses in the Society, from
carrying something unasked, to entertaining children,
to escorting some poor woman with a broken ankle to
and from the porta-castle; from treating someone
dressed less than perfectly as a noble person to
offering serious constructive criticism of a project.
This past Pennsic I worked a few shifts at lost and
found point (which is a grueling job by the way and
one always in need of volunteers.) It was amazing what
was turned in (baskets complete with wallets and
money, loose money, coronets), how delightful it was
to reunite people with their lost property, and how
much work the people running it put in every year.
They do it to make life easier for the rest of us. So
I cannot pick out one kindness, but I will say that I
am constantly amazed at and grateful for the amount of
work we all do for each other and the general respect
we show each other.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
In the 27 years I've been in the SCA I've seen a great many very kind acts; I
haven't kept score. But here's one that made a big impression on me:
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What will you keep the same? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
I reiterate that court is important to us. We desire
interesting but reasonably efficient courts that have
suitable amounts of pomp and circumstance and a
certain theatrical element. I know this is somewhat
vague, but we don't have a full plan ready to plug in.
No matter who ends up being the baronial head, there
will be an adjustment period.
One thing I think Aquel and Johanna did particularly
well and that I would strive to maintain is the
personal interest they take in the people of the
barony, especially those entering or leaving. The
current baron and baroness are a welcoming and
encouraging presence and I would like to see that
continue.
I am not personally setting out to change any major
aspect of the barony or steer it in any particular
direction. Things will be different with new baronial
heads because each person's style is different.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
Differently than / the same as Aquel & Johanna, I
assume? I don't want to
go too much into specifics here, exactly, because
we're not running against
A&J and yet I don't know the other candidates
intentions well enough to
compare and contrast with them. One thing I will say
(and this looks like
an appropriate place to say it), is that court is
important to us, would be
where we'd probably most show our own stamp. We have
a strong interest in
making court more engaging, not by adding schtick but
by effective
presentation of the business. The Japanese-style
court held at this last
Pennsic was so impressive that it makes me think
about an occasional
"themed" court, maybe for our occasional themed
events. We also want to
look for ways to encourage the enjoyment of period
activity, period
behavior, and period values, and this would probably
also show up in how we
held court.
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What will you do differently? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch and Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
[See the response to "What will you keep the same?"]
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How much do you think the baron/ess should be involved in the running of the barony? just the "medieval bits" or other stuff as well? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
I will only add that I think the baron and baroness
should do what they can to encourage and maintain a
vibrant and active barony. I think that is mostly done
through some participation, encouraging people to do
what they love, and providing an audience and interest
when desired. Carolingia is one of the most fabulous
places in the SCA in my opinion, and I love being
here.
ditto.
I hope these answers help to give you some idea of
who we are and what we'd
be like as baron and baroness. If you have more
questions, or want a
fuller response to one of these, feel free to ask.
I completely agree with Caleb's answer here, which I
will repeat for completeness' sake.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
I wouldn't say "just the medieval bits," but not
(depending on what one
means by "involved") in everything. The purely
business aspects - no,
that's the seneschal's sphere; all the various
guilds, practices, orders,
and other activities - in touch with, in contact
with, but not *running*
them; planning for events - consulting on
activities, but again not running
them. The only thing the baron/ess is/are actually
in charge of is court
and ceremony - which can in turn involve and affect
lots of other people
and groups and activities. So there's a lots of
involvement all round, but
limits to the amount of running things. Setting
tone, but not setting
policy.
I hope these answers help to give you some idea of
who we are and what we'd
be like as baron and baroness. If you have more
questions, or want a
fuller response to one of these, feel free to ask.
I wouldn't say "just the medieval bits," but not
(depending on what one
means by "involved") in everything. The purely
business aspects - no,
that's the seneschal's sphere; all the various
guilds, practices, orders,
and other activities - in touch with, in contact
with, but not *running*
them; planning for events - consulting on activities,
but again not running
them. The only thing the baron/ess is/are actually
in charge of is court
and ceremony - which can in turn involve and affect
lots of other people
and groups and activities. So there's a lots of
involvement all round, but
limits to the amount of running things. Setting
tone, but not setting
policy.
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What type of structure do you envision to support our general marshal activities? Seeing as I personally am involved in Archery, Throw Weapons, Heavy List and Fencing, I would appreciate if you could give all of us a view of the "big picture". As Baron/Baroness, what would you try to put in place to encourage the growth of each of these activities? Or do you envision a single structure that could support all of them at the same time? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
I think that Champions were instituted to attempt to
bring martial prowess into focus in the barony, but it
is my impression that there is something of a burden
in sustaining the Champions we already have and
reliably producing a successor.
I had a discussion with Jehan on this issue and he had
the idea of establishing a guard made up of the
different martial arts forms chosen by consultation.
(And I definitely give credit to him for this guard
idea.) This guard could have representatives of each
of the martial forms practiced in the barony and
essentially be a modification of the CRC that
represents all the martial arts instead of one.
Certainly all the candidates for the baronial coronet
that I have spoken with have mentioned pageantry as
one of their goals, and a guard certainly adds
pageantry.
It's possible Carolingia could support both Champions
and a guard. In any case, I think the issue of martial
support is going to require some reevaluation by the
incoming baronial coronet. The barony has demonstrated
that particular martial activities benefit from the
attention of the baronial coronet, but, if that
attention is focused only in one area, then other
martial activities suffer. I recognize the problem,
but do not have a solution at this time. I think it is
a problem that cannot be solved by the baronial
coronet alone.
I do think it is important to recognize and encourage
those of the barony who participate in and support our
martial activities.
This explicitly does not mean we have any intention of going in and
summarily eliminating the current Champion positions, or even radically
shaking them up. More a matter of discussions with the various
communities
concerning their needs for support and visibility, how well the various
champions meet these needs, what works and what's still not working yet,
and matters like that - all so that we can set up this Guard structure (if
we still think it's a good idea) to include or to complement the Champions
structure in a way that works well for all concerned.
So to finally give a short answer to your question, I in general favor an
inclusive "single structure" path, but I don't think I have a clearer view
of a "big picture" than you do at this point.
I think this is a complex issue. All activities, arts,
sciences, and martial activities, are going to tend to
wax and wane depending on the people involved and the
general cycle of interest. On the other hand, I think
Carolingia does need to consciously support its
martial activities, if only because, since we are a
relatively urban barony, it can be difficult to find
places to hold these martial activities at events or
even for practice.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
One concern I've expressed to many people over the last two weeks is an
aversion to particularism, to specialization to the point of
exclusiveness,
among different activities in the barony. Because of that concern, I
definitely incline towards anything that would "support all [activities]
at
the same time." Specifically, Gwendolyn and I are thinking of something
perhaps akin to a Baronial Guard structure, made up of representatives of
all martial activities. (These thoughts growing especially from a
discussion with Jehan du Lac - giving credit where it is due.)
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Aquel and Johanna have started getting into having an entourage (for court, processionals) which is quite different from how Patri and Barbara did things. Do you think you would want to "do entourage" in some fashion? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
But not that we want to increase the level of pageantry, processional, and
precedence. On the contrary, there would definitely be times as well when we
want to be informal and approachable, and a good way to signal that would be
to release the entourage.
Yes, on some occasions. I don't think I can answer
this more exactly until I have actually had the
experience.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
In some fashion, yes. We're by no means certain of the final form it would
take, but we are thinking of something along the lines of a Baronial Guard
which might include, or complement, or supplement the current Champions of
the various arts martial, and/or possibly a Baronial Household to recognize
accomplishment in other, less martial, areas. (This would not be a household
in the standard SCA sense, such as the previous question was asking about, so
we might have to think of a different name for it.) A certain amount of
entourage definitely helps both in pageantry and in practical matters as well.
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What part of being Baron/ess do you expect to be, for you, the most distasteful part(s) of the job? What tactics have you thought of to deal with them? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
I do actually despise making phone calls. Obviously, I
manage to do it. I certainly prefer email.
I'm sure it will be tiresome to constantly have more
demands on my time than I could possibly meet. I
certainly have difficulty *not* doing things I feel
are my responsibility. So, again, I will have to pace
myself and insure that I take time for myself. Being a
parent has given me some experience at this.
I can see where many aspects of the position could be
agreeable in moderation, but disagreeable in excess.
Therefore, it will behoove me to practice self
discipline and pace myself.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
Sitting through long dragging royal courts where I have no connection with
any of the business being conducted. But keeping our own baronial courts
active and interesting is a high priority for me, so I would try to turn the
tedium into a learning experience. I would focus on the pageantry and
presentation, paying attention to what works (see what engages the audience
and keeps their attention) and what doesn't (see what makes eyes glaze over),
looking for things to emulate and things to avoid in our own baronial courts.
And of course, as I made more connections with people and groups outside the
barony I would have more interest in the proceedings.
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What do you expect to have to give up to accept this position? How will your participation in other Baronial activities change? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
Gwendolyn and I each have families, and therefore have certain outside
commitments that are irreducible. On the other hand they are two separate
families, and separate commitments, and the hope is that this will give us a
little extra flexibility to help us meet the Coronet's demands on our
attention.
I expect I will have to give up some of my outside SCA
activities, though not all. I think there is a certain
perspective gained by having activities outside of the
SCA that could be useful for the baronial coronet. I
will not be taking on any more special projects, such
as the ballet de cour and organizing the music for the
winter feste event, until I have an idea of what kind
of time (if any) I would have available. I anticipate
that my activity in the barony would cover a broader
base and be less intense in specific areas.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
I expect to have to give up a lot of time, some of it "free" time (hah!) and
some of it time I currently spend participating in other activities
(commedia, other plays, Minuscule articles, teaching classes). While I would
have to cut back on these activities, I would not want to drop them
completely. Similarly, I do have other involvements outside the SCA; again,
while I probably would cut back on them, I would not cut them out.
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Do you see anything preventing you from holding the post at least 4 years? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
So I'll answer your constituent's instead: Gwendolyn and I have no particular
duration in mind. We do intend to stay in office more than two years (Fate
willing, of course) - we believe we'd only really have found our style and be
hitting our stride in our second year. On the other end, I gave up the
seneschal's position after five years, and that felt about right, and Aquel &
Johanna are giving up the Coronet after six, and *that* feels about right, so
five or six years seems likely. BUT, anyone who comes around after 4 years
11 months and starts asking impertinent questions will suffer The Displeasure
Of The Coronet (that's just Kali talking, not Gwendolyn, she'd never say
anything like that).
My current expectation is to hold the post about 5
years. This is only a guess based on my perception of
the post at this time. My perceptions may radically
alter when I am actually in the post.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
Your question is ambiguous: do you mean if I now know of anything preventing?
(no I don't), or if I can imagine anything that could prevent? (yes I can).
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What responsibilities do you feel the Baron/ess has to whom? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
The baronial coronet has a responsibility to the
barony as a whole to devote a reasonable amount of
time, attention, and effort to baronial activities and
concerns, including giving the barony a focus of
activity so that it can work together as a whole.
The Baron/ess also has a responsibility to him/herself
and the barony to try to take care of his or her own
well being.
The responsibilities of the baronial coronet are to
represent, the Crown to the barony, the barony to the
Crown, Carolingia to other baronies, and Carolingia to
itself. Mostly these representations take place in the
context of ceremony, but it certainly goes beyond
ceremony at times.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
The Coronet is responsible for representing the Barony to the Crown, the
Crown to the Barony, and the Barony to itself. If you want more specifics,
this becomes an awfully big and uncontrolled question, like the famous
"Define the universe. Give three examples." I'll get back to this if I have
the time; otherwise, see my responses to other specific questions.
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Many of you, over the length of your SCA careers, have not been shy about sharing your opinions in public. If elected, would you change your participation in public discussions, including (but not limited to) e-mail lists and Great Council meetings? If so, how? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
The only change I can foresee at this time is trying
to be conscious that some people might interpret what
I say more seriously or with more weight because I am
the Baronial Coronet; therefore, I will try to make it
clear when I am speaking for myself on a personal
basis, as opposed to speaking as the Baronial Coronet.
This may cause me to *not* offer my personal opinion
on some topics or in some situations.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
A good question. Yes, while I hope it wouldn't change the person I am, the
opinions I hold, or the way I treat people talking one-to-one, I expect it
would change my participation in public discussions. I'd be very conscious
that anything I said could be taken (rightly or wrongly) as The Voice of
Carolingia speaking ex cathedra. This could then have a stifling effect - or
worse, a polarizing effect - which are things I'd very much want to avoid.
Hopefully I'd still chime in occasionally on matters of historical trivia
and/or fact, both medieval and Carolingian. No, I wouldn't become shy, but
yes, I would become more reserved.
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Why do you think you'll be good? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
We have been active participants in the barony for
many years and delight in many of the barony's
activities. We have a desire to see Carolingia
continue as an active and vibrant entity.
As parents we deal with "people issues" such as
scheduling and negotiation on a regular basis, as well
as soothing ruffled feathers, encouragement, listening
and finding channels for skills. I think all of these
are things the baronial heads may need to be able to
do at some point. Of course, this is NOT something I
think only parents can do; we just get a lot of
practice at it.
And I repeat, we both have a strong theatrical
background. You will hear us if we desire to be heard.
One feature of our slate that's unique among the ones
standing for
election: we are not a couple. We're married, but
not to each other.
Carolingia has not had a baron and baroness in this
situation before, but
it's been done several times at the royal level. The
advantages are that
family emergencies are much less likely to disrupt
the Coronet's activity,
since we come from two separate families. Further,
we will have that extra
bit of stamina and stability because we are not each
other's only source of
emotional support - we believe that makes us a little
less likely to burn
out than a Coronet pair who were relying only on each
other for support.
And a third point: we have both got a strong history
in theater, so we
believe we will have a feel for how to
effectively "stage" court, how to
keep people's attention, or to sense if we're losing
it. Of great
importance, we both know how to project, so people
can *hear* what's going
on in court.
Now, is that enough to make us "good"? Up to you,
and the barony, to
decide.
We are both reasonable, responsible, reliable people
that care about the people in the Barony of
Carolingia. I think both of us have good judgment and
reasonable social skills. (Sometimes the obvious
should be stated!)
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
I think a major part of the position is for the
Coronet (to avoid the
awkward Baron/ess construction) to represent the
barony, not just to the
Crown and to the Kingdom, but especially to the
Barony itself: they reflect
the barony's self-image, and should come as close as
possible to being the
sum of the barony's parts. In that respect, we bring
considerable depth
and breadth of Carolingian experience: I have been in
the SCA for 27 years
now (all but one of them in Carolingia) and Gwendolyn
for 23. I was
seneschal for five years, years which didn't feel
formative at the time but
did shape a number of things that are now
traditions. Between us, we've
been involved in a broad range of guilds and
activities: theater, music,
dance, heavy-list fighting, storytelling, brewing,
archery, cooking,
calligraphy, needlework, and others - some we've been
especially involved
in, some merely participants: more detail gladly
supplied, if you want it.
Oh, and we've each autocratted a couple of events.
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Do you think you will be able to be in tune with all the different aspects of the barony? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
We plan to be reasonably accessible and active.
We intend that one or both of us will attend every
Council meeting;
continue most of the activities we currently
participate in (though
possibly a little less intensively); attend sessions
of other activities
that have regular meetings - we'll be attending such
meetings regularly,
but it may feel only occasional to the members of
those groups, there being
so many; perhaps the occasional Open House; and
otherwise being accessible
to anyone who wants to communicate, whether by phone,
(e-)mail, or just
talking face to face.
In a word, no. I don't think anyone can be in tune
with all the different aspects of the barony. Will we
try to be open to the diverse and varied elements that
make up the barony? yes. Will we strive to become more
familiar with aspects we may not be familiar with at
the moment? yes.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
Carolingia is such a large group, with so many very
different activities,
that this will certainly be the major challenge for
the new coronet(s),
whoever they be.
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Do you belong to a household, formal or informal? Are you in fealty, or have fiefs of your own? Do you anticipate your household or feudal relationships changing if you become Baron/ess, and if so how? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
I anticipate developing a group of people willing to
essentially be the baronial coronet's staff and
entourage over time. Some of these people would be
officers of the barony, Golden Gryphon Pursuivant for
one, others would be more personal help. I'm sure this
will take time to develop.
I was once in the House of the Great Bell; while it never formally dissolved,
it did scatter to three coasts and I'm the only one left in Carolingia. I
did swear fealty to Sir Patri, but he's not very active either. I don't
anticipate either of those relationships would be a factor if I were Baron.
(I was also one of Vissevald's thegns many years ago - Thegn 1A in fact.)
I do not belong to a formal household. I am in fealty
to their majesties, since I am a peer. I have two
apprentices.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
"Fiefs"? I don't think any of us have "fiefs". Do you mean feudal
dependents? None currently, though I have taken pages/equerries in the past.
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What part(s) of history interests you most (right now)? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
Right now, because of my work on the ballet de cour,
the 1580 - 1610 period of France and Italy, and,
because of my reading, the British Isles around 1000.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
My original, and longest-lasting, interest is Scandinavia, 800 - 1100, plus
saga-period Iceland. But I get interested in lots of other places and
periods all the time; most recently, I'd say the crusader Kingdom of
Jerusalem. Ask me again next month.
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What do you think your duties of a Baron/Baroness are to the boroughs and how would you fulfill them? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
- Most borough members joined the SCA here, and of those who already
joined, most are new to Carolingia; to that extent, the Coronet's general
duty of welcoming newcomers is all the more important among the borough
populace.
- Being attached to mundane institutions, the boroughs are geographically
and demographically bounded groups; the Coronet's obligation to keep all
groups in Carolingia in touch with each other and involved with the barony
as a whole applies especially to them.
- The boroughs represent transient populations: most students are in and
out of college in four years; if they didn't join the SCA first thing (I
know I didn't) then they're only part of Carolingia for two or three years.
The Coronet's duty to notice individuals, to help them connect and to
recognize their achievements, is the more urgent for borough members.
The single most important thing we could do to address these duties would
be to make regular visits to meetings of the boroughs - which we would be
making to all the guilds, practices, cantons, and other such groups anyway
- bearing these special circumstances in mind as we do. Then from these
regular contacts could grow other things to meet these needs, things to
encourage and facilitate involvement with more of the barony: co-hosting
other group meetings at the borough at a higher level than just providing
room space, for example - I'm thinking especially of the way Felding has
hosted Calligraphers' Guild and Low Company meetings in the past - and
connecting borough members with particular interests with guilds and
individuals outside the borough interested in the same things.
Furthermore, the boroughs take on the majority of the barony's recruitment
work. During demo season, the Coronet's duty to represent the barony to
itself means they would have to working closely with the boroughs to
present a good-looking and well-defined image of the barony, so that new
members' first impressions are both favorable and accurate.
I would say that the baronial coronet's duties to the
boroughs are a general interest and a share of the
coronet's time. To fulfill these, I would make a
reasonable effort to attend demos, occasional borough
meetings if desired, and any other special events that
the baronial coronet was requested, depending on other
scheduling considerations of course. Certainly if a
borough representative or member has a question or
concern they wished to address to the baronial
coronet, then the baronial coronet should try to
address the issue or direct the borough member to
someone who can if possible.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
I wouldn't say that the Coronet has duties that are specific to the
boroughs, but I'll turn that around and say that there are things about the
boroughs' particular circumstances that give some of the Coronet's general
duties to the barony a special focus in their case. Gwendolyn and I each
joined the SCA through boroughs of Carolingia (Southbank and Duncharloch,
respectively), and so we have a real appreciation for the situation of
borough members, and for the balance between borough activity and baronial
activity. To list a few of these particular circumstances:
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Do you feel the Baron/Baroness has any particular duties to newcomers? If so, what? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
Kali and I have also discussed the idea of the
baronial coronet setting aside a half hour or so at
each event to meet newcomers and visitors, discuss
Carolingia with them, and point out people that the
newcomers or visitors may wish to talk to about
specific activities. This would give newcomers an
opportunity to meet and talk to the baronial
coronet(s) as well as get some valuable information,
without putting as much pressure on the newcomer as an
introduction in court might.
I feel the baronial coronet has the duty to be
welcoming and helpful to newcomers at least in the
same way that all baronial members should be helpful:
help newcomers and visitors find congenial activities,
people, and information. The baronial coronet has the
particular responsibility of embodying the welcoming
aspect of Carolingia in person for newcomers.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
Yes I do, which I alluded to in my answer to (1). As I said, the Coronet
represents the Carolingia, not just to the Crown and to the rest of the
kingdom, but above all to itself, and hence to newcomers. It is to be
expected that the Baron/Baroness take an active role in introducing them to
the SCA. Gwendolyn and I have talked about reserving an explicit half hour
at every baronial event specifically to meet with newcomers, to give them
some sense of the context of the event, to tell them some of what will be
going on that day, to point out (and if possible introduce) some of the
people who will be especially involved - things like that, to help them
feel a part of the barony all the sooner.
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How have you interacted with the boroughs in the past year? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
When I was Mistress of A&S (long ago) I spent much
more time at various boroughs, going to most demos and
recruitment meetings and participating in many A&S
demos.
Boroughs are very important in Carolingia as a major
source for recruitment and as centers of activity. I
think the baronial coronet should do what lies in its
power to become familiar with the members of the
boroughs and help integrate the boroughs with the rest
of the barony.
Nothing specific that I can think of. My current
activities tend to center on guilds or practices that
are not borough specific. I have participated in
guilds or practices that rotated to the boroughs in
the past; for instance, I participated in I
Sebastiani's IAP classes on commedia dell'arte 2 or 3
years ago.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
Not very much, I must admit. When Felding was planning a screening of _The
Lion in Winter_ last spring, I volunteered to do a brief presentation on
the historical setting - but the screening never came off, and I turned my
notes into an article for the Minuscule instead. I attended the
Philosophers' meeting hosted by MITgaard, which is another good example of
the kind of co-sponsored meeting I mentioned above. I taught a class at
Ivory Keep University, but that was really a baronial event more than a
borough one. Other than that, I haven't had much interaction with
boroughfolk in the past year.
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If you saw a someone you took to be new at their third event wearing t-shirt & jeans (for the third time), what would you do if anything? Would what you do change if you were Baron/ess? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
If I could find someone who knows the person, and that
someone is willing to talk to the person, then I would
suggest that the someone have a chat with the person
in the very near future and possibly take them to
visit Gold Key to see if there is any loaner garb at
the event.
If no one knows this person or is willing to talk to
this person, then I would introduce myself to them and
ask about their interests in the SCA. Then I would
point out that some attempt at medieval or Renaissance
clothing is expected at an event. If he or she still
looked friendly, I would expound on the virtues of
tabards and t-tunics. Then I would tell him or her
that we would appreciate it if he or she would make
the attempt to wear some type of garb. If they still
looked friendly, I would offer to accompany them in
search of loaner garb.
On the other hand, if I've been seeing them at more closed events where they
evidently paid a site fee and otherwise consciously chose to come in, I'd be
less likely to come straight over. I'd probably ask around a little first,
see if anyone knows who this person is, whether anyone else has ever seen
them in garb (maybe I've only seen them coming to or leaving the event),
whether anyone else had already talked to them in the manner suggested above.
I'd likely still approach them and engage them in talk, but just what tack
I'd take would depend on what I'd learned from the asking-around stage.
I would likely do things a little differently as Baron. If they seemed shy
and genuinely unaware, I'd worry lest having The Baron Of Carolingia approach
them might be intimidating (gentle and lovable though I am); I'd probably ask
a known responsible and discreet friend (member of entourage?) to go and try
my first approach. On the other hand, the more it seemed that they had
already had some exposure to our mores but just didn't care, the more likely
I'd be to approach them in person - still open and friendly, but letting them
know that collective appearance really does matter to us.
I can't give a clearer answer, it would depend a lot on the situation.
This depends on the exact situation. Assuming I know
it is for the third time, that the person is not
immediately leaving the event, and, to be quite
candid, I am not in the middle of some other small
crisis at the time, here is what I would do.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
An interesting question, trickier than it seems at first glance. For now,
not being Baron, I wouldn't assume that someone I'd seen at three events was
necessarily new; on the other hand, if I've never seen them in garb, I
wouldn't assume that they're necessarily members at all yet, either. What is
the nature of this event and of the past two? If they've all been semi-open
events like Falling Leaves or May Day, I would probably approach the person
in an open and friendly manner as an evidently interested potential member;
I'd talk to them about what their interests are, and try to link them up with
some loaner garb and invite them to "come inside."
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Do you feel the Barony is ready for a Baronial TW Champion now? If not, how would you judge when we have reached that point? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
As far as Champions in general go, there certainly has
to be a sizeable community of people active in that
martial form before a Champion is a sustainable and
viable position. Ideally, it should not be a burden to
choose the next one. It is my impression that there is
something of a burden in sustaining the Champions we
already have and reliably producing a successor.
I had a discussion with Jehan on this issue and he had
the idea of establishing a guard made up of the
different martial arts forms chosen by consultation.
(And I definitely give credit to him for this guard
idea.) I think this idea has merit and the added
advantage of providing an opportunity to give
recognition to those reliable work horse types that
may never be at the top of their martial form in terms
of "scoring" ability, may not win tournaments
regularly, but are dependable, reliable, people that
help support and sustain a martial activity.
It's possible Carolingia could have Champions and a
guard. In any case, I think the Champion issue should
be examined and reevaluated by the incoming baronial
coronets.
I just want to say that I do think it is important to
recognize and encourage those of the barony who
participate in and support our martial activities.
Considering my dislike of particularism (see above), I'm a little leery of
creating too many different baronial champions too easily. Gwendolyn and
I
have talked about looking for other ways of recognizing and celebrating
the
best of different activities, perhaps something more like a baronial
"household," using the word in its more historical sense - the term is so
firmly locked into a different SCAdian meaning that we'd probably have to
call it something else.
To be frank, I have absolutely no idea. I am not
familiar with thrown weapons at this time. I would
have to consult with people I believe have some
knowledge of the issue and attend some practices to
try to become informed.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
Frankly, I have no idea at this point. If I were Baron, and were told
that
the TW community wanted there to be a Baronial TW Champion, I would want
to
talk with a lot of people: with all the participants in Thrown Weapons
activities, to get to know the opinions of all members of the community,
and especially to learn the reasons *why* they wanted a Champion; also
with
the champions of other martial arts (former as well as current) and with
the participants in those arts, to see how the position works for them.
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What can you provide to the Baronial Fencing community? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
A share of my time, energy, and attention.
I am going to preface my answers to the fencing specific questions
with the statement that I know very little about fencing in specific,
and, as you no doubt know, have not been involved in fencing in
Carolingia or anywhere else. That said:
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
The kind of support, recognition, and inspiration the Coronet can (and
should) provide to all activity groups within the Barony. What more does
the fencing community want?
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What can the Baronial Fencing community provide for you? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
Education about fencing in general, fencing issues in
the barony, and advice.
I am going to preface my answers to the fencing specific questions
with the statement that I know very little about fencing in specific,
and, as you no doubt know, have not been involved in fencing in
Carolingia or anywhere else. That said:
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
Pretty much the same back: support, recognition, and inspiration - for the
Coronet and (even more) for the Barony. What more can the fencers offer?
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As the fencing community grows and matures in the Barony, what role to you see it playing? :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
I certainly would like to see the fencing community
more involved in the barony as a whole, but I know too
little to describe a role for them at the present
time.
That being said, I find fencing a fascinating and
worthwhile activity that deserves support and
encouragement. If I were one of the baronial coronets,
it would be my duty and privilege to learn about
fencing and its role and potential in the barony.
I have no doubt that I would become aware of other roles, more specific to
the situation of the fencing community, after getting greater familiarity
with their interests and activities, and after listening to their own
ideas.
I am going to preface my answers to the fencing specific questions
with the statement that I know very little about fencing in specific,
and, as you no doubt know, have not been involved in fencing in
Carolingia or anywhere else. That said:
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
As with other activity groups, I believe a large and mature fencing
community can contribute by sponsoring theme events emphazing its
activity,
and work pro-actively and cooperatively with autocrats of other events to
work their activity in where appropriate; can provide a "thing for people
to do," a dynamic field of endeavor which can draw out the creativity and
hard work of Carolingians interested in that activity; and out of the
latter, can bring forth exemplary individuals that the barony can look to
with pride and for inspiration, as champions and members of orders of
merit, at the baronial level and beyond.
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