Master Aleksandr Ruslanovich and Lady Morwenna Westerne :
Ultimately, this is a decision best left up to the autocrat. If
he or she feels they can still make a profit or break even when offering
such incentives, then it's fine with us. It enables those for whom the
event or feast might have been a financial burden to participate and
food in exchange for labor is a fine medieval tradition. : ) Also, it's
a good way to lure impoverished college students to events and introduce
them to the fine art of service. The seneschal and exchequer should
keep an eye on this practice; if events (and therefore the barony) begin
to suffer financially because of it, the practice should be curbed.
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Master Justin du Coeur :
That said, I don't think we need to be intransigent about this. There
are times when the volunteer time required is so high that a bit of
extra incentive is useful. And I'm a firm believer that the autocrat
*is* the autocrat. That word means something: the autocrat is in more or
less absolute control of their event, and have a lot of leeway when it
comes to how the fees work. I think this falls well within their
discretion.
So to answer the question more directly: I think the trend is okay, so
long as it remains moderate. If it started to happen more commonly, I
might begin to get worried about it, because it would probably become a
serious problem if it really became the norm. (At the least, we'd have
to adjust a lot of other elements around it, and I suspect it would
become a serious bone of contention.) So I'd say that autocrats should
be able to use this mechanism if they feel it appropriate, but shouldn't
be too casual about it.
I wouldn't want to see it get out of hand -- the economics of the
Society are absolutely based on volunteer labor, and I honestly think
we'd collapse if that went away. The value of the volunteer time spent
on running the Barony is many times our total budget.
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Lord Diego Mundoz :
I have heard events described as participatory theater; we pay
for our moments of enjoyment by making sure others have their own
moments. I like that model.
I grew up under the old system, and have not heard a
convincing argument as to why it should change. Resorting to
reductio ad absurdem - where does it stop? We "comp" the Crown.
then the Coronets ... the cooks ... the musicians ... the gate crew
... the hall crew ... the marshals ... the heralds. Who's left to
pay? Do we have a problem getting people for certain chores? And
if so, is waiving the entrance fee the right way to fix this?
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Lady Emmanuelle de Chenonceaux :
Master Seamus Donn :
Autocrating, organizing the administration and running of events, and setting price points are all things that fall on the administrative side of the fence. I would offer the above
as an example of how things can be done rather than an expression of how I think they should do things.
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
My personal views were formed back when this ethic was so universal, it
wasn't even articulated. On the other hand, I recognize that the barony has
changed since then, has grown so big that not everyone *could* work at any
one event, even if they wanted to, and so it's not completely unreasonable to
recognize some distinction between those who are doing a lot of work and
those who aren't doing any. But then it can get sticky drawing a hard and
exact line at which amount of work is worth the cost of admission. Speaking
for myself, I would always pay; speaking for the barony, it is the autocrat's
decision - ultimately they can do what they want, that's why we call them
autocrats.
Seigneur Jehan du Lac :
I believe that autocrats should have some discretion in this matter. Of
course, the bottom line is that they have to cover their expenses and
hopefully return a small profit to the barony. Although we are an
educational organization, we are not a charity and cannot let ourselves
go broke over bad money management (as if the exchequer would allow it!)
Within these limits, however, autocrats and head cooks should be able to
make some decisions. If the discretion is abused, then we will deal with
correcting it.
Master John McGuire :
Unfortunately we run the risk that people will get used to others cooking
and cleaning for them. I have cleaned up after Carolingian and out Barony
events lately and I was apalled at how much garbage was being left around
and how few people were staying to help. Are we just at the stage that
through sheer numbers we are leaving more cruft and people just assume that
someone else will voulunteer or are they getting used to a cleanup staff...
I am vaguely in favor, particularly for college students or those on a
limited
budget, but would like to encourage more uncomped volunteer efforts.
Shi Hua Fu and Lady Yelizaveta Medvedeva :
I think it has always been the practice that anyone who worked in the kitchen got fed, period. It was encouraged that people pay the for the feast, but
acknowledged that feast tokens weren't really checked in the kitchens. It think it is only recently that the practice has really been examined or formalized. We do have the
luxury that our feast numbers are fully set in advance, and are fully subscribed. If we had trouble selling all of the seats at a feast this might be different.
The practice I have used for the events I have run (with mostly Student help) was one of "each according to their needs". The event was budgeted so that we
would break even if none of the staff payed. None of the staff were required to pay, but it was made clear that donations were gladly accepted. Those who could afford it paid,
those who couldn't, did not. Which you were was left to be a personal decision, and who paid what was never recorded or discussed. Additionally, as per common Irish
practice, there was usually a student/unwaged event fee in addition to the normal one.
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I do not think that the practice is good or bad. As
long as there is no misunderstanding, then I do not
think there is a problem. To me, the problems arise if
there is some confusion about who should pay, or if
there is a perception of unfairness by those who did
some work, but still had to pay. These problems could
be very bad, but I think the practice itself is
neutral.
Yes. All of those. Let's say I have mixed feelings.
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On events that I have run, I have taken a middle path. The exchequer
collected the on-board fees of servants I engaged, but I paid them. Not
everyone can afford to do that, but it seemed like the proper
master/servant relationship at the time.
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As a way to make certain that those people who may not be able to afford
an event can go and have a good dinner exchange for labor it is a good
thing.
The kitchen staff is and volunteers are often overworked and it is nice to
be
able to reward them.
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While setting policy on this falls to the seneschal, our advice would
be to let each autocrat discuss the rationale and make an informed
decision. We don't think it's unreasonable to provide some
compensation for those who give up their event to make it more
enjoyable for others. We would object to an autocrat raising prices
in order to subsidize more volunteers; beyond that, no problems with
either approach.
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