What do you feel the Barony does well? :
Mistress Caitlin Davies and Master Justin du Coeur :
-- Doing Period Seriously. That doesn't mean the mythical authenticity-police thing, but rather that, IMO, Carolingia does better than anywhere else I know at following *my* guideline for authenticity: "Everyone should be as period as they conveniently can". It leaves a lot of room for interpretation, which is intentional -- I don't think there is a single one-size-fits-all standard appropriate for the SCA, and everyone has their own priorities. But I think most people here take the idea of period seriously, and make a genuine effort. That's a real strength, especially in the aggregate.
-- Experimentation. While Carolingia has a lot of traditions, we don't have nearly as many sacred cows as many places do. When someone suggests a new idea, the response tends to be, "Sure -- go for it". That helps prevent us becoming boring, and I think keeps things far more lively. And I'm quite proud of the number of ideas that started in Carolingia, which have since become commonplace in the Society.
-- Mixing Energy with Experience. The combination of the Boroughs (providing a constant influx of new enthusiasm) with a large pool of old hands gives us a distinctive character, a sort of creative tension that helps us produce more cool stuff than most places can manage. Many SCA branches are basically the same people year after year, which can lead to a certain staleness. Carolingia is many things, but stale is rarely one of them.
Mistress Caitlin Davies and Master Justin du Coeur :
There are always ways we can improve, but they are mostly matters of tweaking, and generally require a measure of conscious vigilance. For example, integrating new folks into the Barony is always a trick -- trying to help them understand the local culture without overwhelming or intimidating them. I don't think we have a perfect formula for that (nor do I expect we're going to find one), but it's something to continue experimenting with, to see how to make things work better.
Mostly, I think it's all about tweaking details and experimenting. The situation is always changing, and issues arise from time to time. For example, I've been noticing lately a fair amount of subtle nervousness around issues of religious tolerance, both in the Barony and in the Society at large; that seems something that we need to pay some attention to, to make sure it doesn't become An Issue. But that isn't a matter of Big Changes; it's about paying attention, and constant tuning.
(And it should be borne in mind that the Baron and/or Baroness lead mostly be example and suggestion -- they don't have much actual power, so much as a bully pulpit for suasion. So their job is to keep an eye on what's going on, listen to ideas for improvement, decide what makes sense to them, and then try to influence things in a healthy direction...)
In practice, the B/B's most important role here is the gentle give and take of personal relations -- getting to know the other groups (especially the neighboring ones) on a personal level, going to their events, and generally being friends with them. There are occasionally treaties to negotiate and such, but they're relatively few and far between. Most of the work is in being comfortable enough with the other Baronies to smooth matters when something of import *does* happen.
This is more Caitlin's area of experience than mine, I'll admit. She plays quite heavily at the Kingdom level, and already knows many of these folks pretty well. (The consequence of having been a Kingdom officer for many years. As Regional Seneschal, she's been trying to periodically visit the groups in the region anyway.) It would be a bit more learning for me, but I figure that an excuse to get out to more events is not a bad thing...
If you could change three things about Carolingia (or Carolingians as a whole) what would they be? :
That said, I don't think we need to be intransigent about this. There are times when the volunteer time required is so high that a bit of extra incentive is useful. And I'm a firm believer that the autocrat *is* the autocrat. That word means something: the autocrat is in more or less absolute control of their event, and have a lot of leeway when it comes to how the fees work. I think this falls well within their discretion.
So to answer the question more directly: I think the trend is okay, so long as it remains moderate. If it started to happen more commonly, I might begin to get worried about it, because it would probably become a serious problem if it really became the norm. (At the least, we'd have to adjust a lot of other elements around it, and I suspect it would become a serious bone of contention.) So I'd say that autocrats should be able to use this mechanism if they feel it appropriate, but shouldn't be too casual about it.
We need to do two things about this. First, the orders need to accelerate the decision process -- it should not take 14-18 months as it can in some cases now. The orders should meet more often, and the poll process be sped up.
Second, we need more ways to acknowledge people's contributions beyond considering them for the Daystar, Moon, or Perseus. This can be anything from tokens, to honorary titles or privileges, to attendants for a day, to championships, public thanks.... In general, I prefer to err a little early, especially for the kind of person I see growing in the role after the award has been given. The right kind of person to give an award to early is the kind who will continue to learn, to teach, to administer, to improve their martial skill, to become more personally mature and wise. And this is the kind of person most deserving of awards anyway.
That last point deserves some clarification. The system is reasonably effective when it works well: if someone gets an award at just the right time, it feels quite good. But if you get it early, it feels kind of hollow, and if you get it late, it's easy to wind up a tad bitter about it.
I've been through both sides of this. My AoA was so late (after almost six years of heavy involvement) that I went all the way through the bitter phase and came out the other side with a bit of perspective. And my Laurel was so early (only about three years after the AoA) that I've always been slightly disappointed that I didn't really feel I deserved it when it came. (Had it been a year or so later, I probably would have been a lot happier about it.)
The result is that I do what I can do remove the focus from awards. When someone new is starting out, if they seem to be somewhat "merit-badge" focused, I try to encourage them to instead concentrate on doing what they like, and let the awards come when they may. I tend to point out the fact that the system is highly subjective, and there's a fair amount of just-plain-luck in when they come. Basically, I try to impart some of that perspective, to help fend off the bitter edge if an award comes late.
Now, all that said, much though I sometimes wish the SCA's award model didn't exist, it's a fact of life, and one that isn't going to go away. I therefore do what I can to hit awards "on the mark", when they seem to really be due. I don't actually have a simple answer to erring early or late; over time, I've gradually moved towards trying to understand the person involved, and erring accordingly. If they're likely to get bitter if the award is late, I'll tend to err early; if they're relatively self-directed and self-critical, I'll tend to err a little late, so that they appreciate it when it comes.
Now Carolingia is a somewhat special case, since we traditionally take the idea of accepting people in by consensus of the Order much more strongly than the Kingdom does. If I wound up Baron, I'd probably tend towards the traditional model of how the awards work. We don't require a unanimous vote of the order any more, but I think I'd shoot for it when possible. (Actually, as I recall the original Charter, it didn't require unanimity so much as disclosure -- if the vote wasn't unanimous, the candidate had to be told quietly in advance, so they had the opportunity to decline if they felt it would be an issue.)
When we rewrote the Charter to remove the requirement for unanimity, one of the views expounded was that it's the B/B's responsibility, in the face of a "no" vote, to talk to the person so voting and understand their objection. If it's clearly a matter of simple personal bias, or not understanding the candidate's works, or simply unreasonably high standards, then it's appropriate to override the vote. But it's a serious matter, and I think the B/B has a particular responsibility to think carefully about it.
In general, the Order's opinion has a much stronger influence here than in the Kingdom at large. The implication there is that the B/B has a responsibility to *lead* the Orders, rather than just ruling them. The King can simply listen to opinions and make up his own mind; the B/B needs to encourage the Orders to give the awards at a level s/he feels appropriate, since it's principally up to them.
Personally, I was and am one of the stronger opponents of pay-to-play; while I wasn't quite at the center of the whirlwind the way Tibor was, I spent most of that year in heated arguments with a whole lot of people all over the Society about it. (Indeed, the Grand Council of the Society was formed partly in response to a letter I wrote to the Board on the subject.)
I object to pay-to-play both on practical and philosophical grounds. I could go on at *great* length on this subject, but I'll try to summarize.
First, and most importantly, it demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the true economics of the Society. Our most valuable coin isn't the money that gets paid to the central SCA, Inc; rather, it's the volunteer time that is required to run the Society. P2P endangers that volunteer base, by reducing the number of people who can perform a task, as well as the general base of the population. It takes the attitude that serving the Society is a privilege that you have to pay for, which is just silly -- we desperately *need* people doing this stuff. Charging people money in order to help is, frankly, daft.
Further, none of the arguments in favor of P2P hold much water. It was originally enacted in order to address a financial shortfall at the Corporate level, which proved to be an entirely illusory effect of poor bookkeeping. It is often invoked in the name of "fairness", but essentially argues that we want people who pay money more than people who volunteer their time, which as I said, misunderstands how the Society actually works. It is usually argued that we need tons of members because the Society is so expensive to run, but that's exactly wrong: in fact, history has shown that the Society has very poor economies of scale, and tends to become *more* expensive per person the more members there are. (And the vast majority of that huge budget is simply providing membership services such as TI.) The critical expenses of the Society (mainly the insurance policy) don't cost anywhere near enough to justify a policy as draconian as P2P was.
What should membership be required for? It's probably a good idea for anyone who is strongly bound to the legal side of the SCA, Inc, primarily the Seneschal and Treasurer. And I *recommend* membership for anyone who is heavily active: besides contributing towards the few critical expenses, it's a good way to stay in touch with things. But I think there are very few people who it should be *required* of. I prefer to leave it as a matter of individual conscience, with no particular external pressure...
In your opinion, what is best thing about the Society? :
Of course, it's also the Society's great weakness -- that "broad tent" approach means that the SCA has little hope of ever being truly period as an aggregate. Little isolated bits of the SCA can be very authentic, but the larger the scale you look at, the less likely it is to match period models. That's because the Society is basically a gigantic compromise among many differing interests.
But overall, I think it's what defines the SCA, and makes it different both from a simple LARP club and from an academic forum. It combines many different elements in a way that constantly provides new ideas, in all directions...
What do you personally think constitutes "politics"? Are all "politics" evil? :
No, not all politics are evil; indeed, in a healthy and functioning group (which I think we are), evil politics tend to be fairly uncommon. Evil politics usually arise when a few things happen:
That's roughly the order that these things tend to take. It's why I consider Great Council an important part of the health of Carolingia -- while it doesn't necessarily let everyone do what they want to do, it *does* provide a common forum for communication, which tends to help. It's also why I regard the heavy overlap between the many dozens of interest groups in the Barony as vital: it makes it much more difficult for things to break down into simple factions. So long as folks know each other, and continue to talk reasonably, it's far less likely that the atmosphere will get truly poisonous.
Favorite "Magic Moment"? (More than one if you can't choose. :) :
Dancing with Baron Patri at my second or third event. I was swept off my feet. :)
What is the kindest thing you have ever seen in the Society? :
When Caitlin was getting her AoA, the scroll was absent. (I don't even remember why any more.) Queen Maurya, thinking quickly, took a ring from her own finger and gave it to Caitlin as a personal promissory. This wasn't a cheap ring -- it was real silver, with a lapus lazuli stone set into it. It was enormously touching, one of the best examples I've seen to date of true nobility on the throne. When Caitlin got her scroll and returned the ring to Maurya, she had a duplicate made as a personal keepsake, because it had made the day particularly special for her.
What will you keep the same? :
Mistress Caitlin Davies and Master Justin du Coeur :
What will you do differently? :
Mistress Caitlin Davies and Master Justin du Coeur :
Mistress Caitlin Davies and Master Justin du Coeur :
The issue is partly one of expectations. Aquel and Johanna have been developing a tradition of Baronial Champions, very much cognates to the Royal Champions. And I think everyone sort of expects that parallel to continue -- just as the Royal Champs always attend Their Majesties in court, so everyone sort of expects the Baronial ones to do the same. And to be fair, we don't really provide the Baronial Champions with anything *else* to do as the duties of the post.
I suspect that Caitlin and I would try to move away from this sort of business-as-usual mode of retinue, although rather gradually. We're very interested in finding other ways of doing things -- I generally find the SCA cooler and more interesting when it's being imaginative. I do think it's important that Champions and such have some sort of duties, so it's more than just a hollow award, but there may be other avenues to explore.
That aside, the only *necessary* member of the Baronial retinue is the herald. I suspect having one or two others available is generally useful, but like I said, I'd prefer that it not turn into a mob...
Hard? I expect that one of the hard parts for me will be the diminished privacy. There is an expectation that the Baron/ess will be receptive to meeting people, responding to questions, reaching out, being attended, and rarely alone, and for me that will be a change I will need to adapt to. I am naturally a private person, and taking a public role like Baroness means a compromise on that score.
But at a guess, I'd have to suspect that nasty politics will be the worst of it. Carolingia is blessedly less prone to stupid short-sighted politics than most groups; still, where there are people there are politics, and sometimes those will turn heated.
There's not much for that but to take it when it comes, and try to handle it as best we can. IMO, while the B/B aren't solely responsible for dealing with this sort of thing, they can and should try to act as mediators and peacemakers where possible. That's never fun and rarely easy, but it's important.
(Fortunately, Caitlin and I have both already gotten some experience with this sort of thing, from other positions in the Society and other clubs that we've worked with. Things aren't likely to get as bad as some of the nastier politics I've had to work through on the LARP side of the world.)
Of course, that's (hopefully) the rare case. On a more day-to-day level, the main challenge for me personally will simply be the formality of the job. I am not, by instinct, a particularly formal sort of person, but I think the populace is quite reasonably going to expect *some* gravitas from the B/B. (The Baron doesn't get to sit on the floor during court.)
On that front, I think it'll be a matter of feeling out a balance. I have no desire to overcompensate here -- I think being a little light-handed is better than being too stuffy or severe. I'll just have to pay some attention to my own manner and style, and evolve it as seems necessary.
As for changing my participation in other Baronial activities, I expect there to be some mild shifting of priorities, but not terribly dramatic ones. I'm already something of a dilletante, visiting various guilds and such as they strike my fancy; I believe that's a strength in a B/B, who need to know the Barony as broadly as possible. I'd probably step that up a little, but I don't think it needs to get too extreme.
(The one specific change I'd make is getting back into armor, which would require some time and focus. I haven't fought in, oh, more years than I care to contemplate, but I feel that it's symbolically important for the Baron to be able to take the field with the troops.)
Beyond that task of getting out and visiting the various subgroups that make up the great Venn Diagram that is Carolingia, I don't think the job requires all that much *time* specifically; this isn't like being Royalty, with the various timesinks that entails. There are some other tasks involved, such as external relations with the Royals and the other Baronies, but those tend to happen at events on an as-needed basis.
As for my other jobs within the Society, I don't expect things to change dramatically. Being active on the questions@sca.org list is, frankly, recreational for me -- I'm only one of several people there, so I can answer questions as I have time, and I enjoy doing it. Running the Rolls Ethereal takes virtually no day-to-day effort, since it's largely automated. The Low Company would be an interesting question: if someone wanted to take it on actively, I'd probably let them have it, and otherwise continue to play and teach as I have time.
Do you see anything preventing you from holding the post at least 4 years? :
And no, I don't see any reason why we couldn't hold the posts for that long. I plan on watching and pacing myself to avoid quick burnout, and have no intention of taking on any other tasks that would get in the way...
What responsibilities do you feel the Baron/ess has to whom? :
The Baron/ess has a responsibility to him or herself, to recognize issues of overcommitment, health, and responsibilities to job and family outside of the SCA, and when those need to take priority over their SCA role.
The Baron/ess also have a responsibility to the Crown, to hold the lands faithfully, to protect the barony, and to protect the Crown when called on to do so, as a part of their fealty to the Crown.
It would be a factor -- I think I'd have to install an extra "do I want to post this?" filter in my brain, because if I said something stupid online, it would have the potential to embarass not just myself, but the Barony. And I think the Baron has a particular onus to be diplomatic and reasonable, which means that outright flames (which I don't do often, but when I do, they're searing) are probably a bad idea.
But overall, no, I don't think I'd change my discussion style or quantity much. I don't think much is gained by the Baron/ess being afraid to express their honest opinions, and something is likely to be lost. (As you say, most of the candidates have been pretty expressive, and most have had useful things to say.)
Besides, I don't think I'm physically *capable* of squelching myself too far; I'd probably explode...
Why do you think you'll be good? :
Mistress Caitlin Davies and Master Justin du Coeur :
Do you think you will be able to be in tune with all the different aspects of the barony? :
Mistress Caitlin Davies and Master Justin du Coeur :
I don't expect any of this to impinge too strongly, and don't see any practical reason why any of this needs to change. While the households would hopefully provide a modicum of support, I don't think there's any real danger of strange mixings of influence.
In practice, household/Baron mixings tend to only become problems when the household and Barony are structured such that attaching to the household can give someone additional informal power within the branch, or where the household is so large and powerful that it is in danger of overwhelming the Barony. That doesn't seem to be a danger here -- the nature of Baronial power in Carolingia doesn't lend itself easily to that sort of influence-sharing, and the group is so large and diverse that it would be extremely difficult for any one household to become excessively powerful.
What part(s) of history interests you most (right now)? :
In the SCA context -- as I've often said, I'm a dilletante. My primary focus these days is gaming, but I've been getting back into dance, and right at the moment I'm playing around with several things. I tend to focus on late-period, mainly because I'm extremely fond of using period books when I'm studying a topic, and those are *vastly* easier to obtain for the 16th and 17th centuries than earlier times.
Okay, I'm going to step back for a second here, and give the honest, dispassionate answer. The duty of the B/B to the boroughs is basically the same as to any other group within the Barony. *Personally*, I tend to spend a fair amount of time and energy on the Boroughs, but that's really a personal thing; the B/B really shouldn't be too unbalanced towards or away from any one group. Frankly, it's one reason why I insisted on running with Caitlin -- together, I think we represent the Barony more thoroughly than either of us would separately.
Of course, this begs the question: what duty does the B/B owe to the groups within it? I don't think there's a single pat answer, but some aspects seem to include:
-- Being aware. One of the most basic-sounding duties, but one of the most important: the B/B need to *know* the people and groups in the Barony. That isn't easy; it's a huge Barony, bigger than most folks realize.
-- Being involved. If the B/B are, as some have been saying, the "heart and soul of the Barony", that has to mean that they have to strive to be a *part* of the Barony, as broadly as they reasonably can. It's frankly impossible for anyone to do everything in Carolingia. But I think it's good for them to make an effort to do as much as they reasonably can.
-- Being fair. The Barony has a number of different interests, and sometimes they conflict. One of the quieter jobs of the B/B is quiet mediation and diplomacy when necessary. Carolingia is less prone to internal politics than many SCA branches, so this duty blessedly isn't needed too often. But when it's important, it's important. The B/B need to be about to step back, understand everyone's positions, and do what they can to help bring things to a peaceful resolution.
-- Leading, gently. Carolingia has a distinctively decentralized spirit. We don't tend to deal well with being led too forcefully -- there are too many people with too many different ideas for one vision to compel people too strongly. That said, the B/B can't just be a follower, either. I'd say that their job is to listen to the people around them, pick out the ideas that make sense, and then encourage those ideas in the people around them.
Do you feel the Baron/Baroness has any particular duties to newcomers? If so, what? :
How have you interacted with the boroughs in the past year? :
In general, a situation like this calls for a gentle but firm hand, steering them towards some loaner garb for the short term, and a teacher (or at least a merchant) for the longer. The main danger is coming off as scolding, which can drive someone away -- you need to get across the point that we *do* have some reasonable expectations of folks, while being as helpful as possible. Exactly how you handle it is going to depend on the person involved, and being sensitive to how they react.
Mistress Caitlin Davies and Master Justin du Coeur :
In general, the Society doesn't explore the alternative ways of recognizing Good Stuff nearly enough. I suspect that this is something Caitlin and I would play with -- we're both fond of seeing more variety in recognitions. (Even a different term can help -- I vastly prefer to think of the "Royal Bards", rather than "Bardic Champions".)
I do think that TW has reached a point where it's worth getting a bit of particular recognition, but I think it's worth spending some time and seeing if we can come up with a recognition that's more distinctive to that particular form than just another Champion. Don't know offhand what that might be, but I'd love to talk with folks about it...
Bear in mind that this isn't anything against TW, and shouldn't be interpreted as a desire to see anything "better" or "worse" for that as opposed to any other martial art. It's mainly a desire to see each art get something a bit *different*, and appropriate to that art...
What can you provide to the Baronial Fencing community? :
First of all, with your indulgence, I'd like to step aside from the actual questions you asked. As stated, most of them beg Mom-and-Apple-Pie answers ("The Baron and Baroness will provide love and support for the fencers", yadda yadda yadda) when the matter deserves more thought than that. Since the questions are really quite closely related, I think it's easier to look at it by unifying them together.
It looks to me like these questions really boil down to, "What is, and what should be, the relationship between the Baron and Baroness, and the fencing community?" with a soupcon of, "Where should the fencing community be going?". I'll address those; forgive me if this goes on a bit, because it gets into some philosophy that really matters to us.
The former one first, because it really underpins the latter. IMO, it is neither the B/B's right nor responsibility to decide the course of fencing in the Barony. That sounds obvious when stated that way, but it has some unobvious consequences.
Consider the CRC. There's a certain longing for the glory days of the CRC among many of the fencers in the Barony. I share in that: I was a CRC cadet for a couple of years myself. (Joe kept trying to put me in a cloak, but I declined; I was never serious enough about fencing to feel comfortable as a guard.) I've still got some truly lovely CRC medallions that I picked up from a craftsman (down in Texas of all places), sadly shortly before the CRC ceased to be.
But consider this also: it wasn't Patri's idea. Oh, he was heavily involved in it, both in sanctioning the idea and providing some input himself. But the formation of the CRC, as I remember it, was really driven by the founding guards themselves. Patri *supported* the idea wholeheartedly, but he didn't really *drive* it.
IMO, that's more important than it may appear on the surface. Something like the CRC clicks when it's really a grassroots thing, not driven by the Baronial leadership. From the idea up, it's really got to come from the people if it's going to feel that *cool* to everyone. The B/B's job is to support and nurture that, and yes, to provide ideas and critique, but they shouldn't be driving it.
Now, that out of the way, my personal druthers. I adore the CRC conceptually, mainly because it is *different*. It was a way of recognizing the value of both individuals, and of fencing as an activity, without just Another Bloody Championship. (Don't get me wrong: I have the utmost respect for the folks who have been Baronial Fencing Champs. I just don't think the idea of the Champions is anywhere near as interesting as the CRC was.)
This is a point on which I think Caitlin and I feel more strongly than most: we don't like the Society's tendency towards homogenization. Especially when it comes to recognition, the SCA tends to shoehorn all situations into a very few models -- ranks/awards, Champions, and honestly not a heck of a lot more. That's sad, because period furnishes us with so many more models to work from.
What do I want for the structure of fencing? (And the other martial arts?) I'm not going to give a concrete answer, because I don't have one. What I *do* want is brainstorming for ideas that are new and different. What I *don't* want to see is simply more of the same. Because when you get right down to it, more of the same usually just isn't as *cool* as using some imagination. And the surest way to support an activity is to help it be cool...
What can the Baronial Fencing community provide for you? :
As the fencing community grows and matures in the Barony, what role to you see it playing? :