Master Aleksandr Ruslanovich and Lady Morwenna Westerne :
We like fencing. It's spiffy, fun to watch, gives an opportunity for
noble deeds and eloquent challenges, and the participants dress well.
The same can be said of most other martial activities to a greater or
lesser extent. Currently, Aleksandr fights, and in the past we have
both fought. Morwenna has fenced (Aleksandr has also, but outside the
SCA), and has ridden (again, outside the SCA). We both shoot, casually
rather than actively. Thrown weapons is an activity of great interest
to Aleksandr, but one he just hasn't found time for -- yet.
It has been our experience that, in all areas of the SCA, there are
those who just 'do their thing'. Some just participate in martial
activity, some solely in commedia dell arte, or some just cook. We feel
that one of the joys of the SCA is participation -- to be part of the
Society. We look to the leaders and other members of those communities
to introduce all those who participate to the rest of the SCA. The
place of the martial arts in the barony is a two-way street; it is
better assured when the baronial populace sees the participants as part
of "us", rather than as "them".
The various martial activities are not so different in their needs and
goals that each one is a special case. Carolingia needs practice space,
space at events for martial activities, and recognition of those who
excel in those activities. It is our impression that things are going
pretty well right now. If things aren't -- and we're selected to be
Baron & Baroness -- we'd certainly like to hear about it. It's not the
role of the Baronetcy to reserve practice spaces or organize events.
The baronial championships, the Order of Perseus, and personal tokens
serve to acknowledge those who excel, and are the purview of the Baron
and Baroness.
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Master Justin du Coeur :
[See the response to "What can you provide to the Baronial Fencing community?"]
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Lord Diego Mundoz and Lady Godith Anyon :
[See the response to "What can you provide to the Baronial Fencing community?"]
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Lady Emmanuelle de Chenonceaux and Master Seamus Donn :
As Baron and Baroness we would not have Carolingia
undefended in any field. List
field, fencing list, archery range, bardic competition, ... it does not
matter. We can have people there to defend our
honor no matter what form the challenge takes. In the words of our current
Baron: "Losing is not an option!"
And I would further say that in none of these fields where Carolingia is
expected to defend itself should the Baron
and/or Baroness be absent. Already between the two of us we cover many
fields. But not all of them. If one of us
needs to, for example, don fencing armour, become authorized, to stand
with our Captains on whatever battle field we
find ourselves on, so be it. That is part of our duty.
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Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
I think that Champions were instituted to attempt to
bring martial prowess into focus in the barony, but it
is my impression that there is something of a burden
in sustaining the Champions we already have and
reliably producing a successor.
I had a discussion with Jehan on this issue and he had
the idea of establishing a guard made up of the
different martial arts forms chosen by consultation.
(And I definitely give credit to him for this guard
idea.) This guard could have representatives of each
of the martial forms practiced in the barony and
essentially be a modification of the CRC that
represents all the martial arts instead of one.
Certainly all the candidates for the baronial coronet
that I have spoken with have mentioned pageantry as
one of their goals, and a guard certainly adds
pageantry.
It's possible Carolingia could support both Champions
and a guard. In any case, I think the issue of martial
support is going to require some reevaluation by the
incoming baronial coronet. The barony has demonstrated
that particular martial activities benefit from the
attention of the baronial coronet, but, if that
attention is focused only in one area, then other
martial activities suffer. I recognize the problem,
but do not have a solution at this time. I think it is
a problem that cannot be solved by the baronial
coronet alone.
I do think it is important to recognize and encourage
those of the barony who participate in and support our
martial activities.
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
This explicitly does not mean we have any intention of going in and
summarily eliminating the current Champion positions, or even radically
shaking them up. More a matter of discussions with the various
communities
concerning their needs for support and visibility, how well the various
champions meet these needs, what works and what's still not working yet,
and matters like that - all so that we can set up this Guard structure (if
we still think it's a good idea) to include or to complement the Champions
structure in a way that works well for all concerned.
So to finally give a short answer to your question, I in general favor an
inclusive "single structure" path, but I don't think I have a clearer view
of a "big picture" than you do at this point.
Seigneur Jehan du Lac :
One of the great things that has emerged recently has been more venues
for beginners to learn martial arts. The "newbie practice" for heavy
list is a great idea, as are the fencing classes. It's important to make
it easy for people, so that they don't feel intimidated. Not everyone
feels comfortable learning a new skill by serving as a pell. So I would
do all I could to encourage these kinds of things. I don't know if the
"class" approach applies to archery and TW, I would need to consult with
those communities. Even running a short class once a year might help
motivate people to say to themselves, "hey, I've always wanted to learn
The baron/baroness can't really change anything by fiat. All the good
stuff in the barony has come from people with bright ideas and
enthusiasm. The baron can watch out for those people, encourage them,
and be visibly supportive of these kinds of efforts. And when someone
comes up with a good idea that works, make sure everyone else knows
about it too :).
Master John McGuire :
I would like to find a way to inspire more pomp in the Baronial court and
activities. One of the things that worked well in the past was the CRC
and
the uniform of the matching cloaks. I am tempted to revive a version of
that
where the Fencers would once again don blue half cloaks, heavy list would
don 3/4 length cloaks or winged tabbards and the archers would don
shoulder length hoods. It would make processions interesting...
At minimum I would like to outfit the Baronial champions and the baronial
guards in this manner, but it would be nice to be able to do so for any
Baronial
member who is willing to pledge fealty to support the barony. I
personally can
probably swing the base cost and patterns to start, but would look for
some
assistance from the community to see how much support the idea has.
Each weapons discipline would have a captain, a champion, one or two
possible
lieutenants and the rank and file members. How to decorate for each
position
would probably be similar to the CRC method.
It would also add a bit of ceremony to court as the various Carolingian
martial
orders called in new candidates and bestowed cloaks/hoods upon them.
Yes there will still be friction between groupd, but as all members will
be
pledged
to the betterment of the Barony, and there will be an overlap, hopefully
the
friction
will be kept to a minimum.
Shi Hua Fu and Lady Yelizaveta Medvedeva :
While we have personally focused on archery, we support events without
it. Specialty events themed around a martial art are great, and we
agree that the Champions tourneys should be focused if at all
possible. But events where most or all of the martial arts are
offered are also a lot of fun: Yeliz has been to several events where
there were only a few people doing each art, but inexperienced people
rotated through and had a chance to try them out. This sort of
activity could even be a stand-alone thing or held as part of a single
"guild fair" to attract new participants. Imagine a demo evening or
afternoon where people could come and try a martial art without
obligation, just to see what it's like. They could be held all at
once, or on subsequent weekends. In fact, this would be possible at
our home, which actually could accomodate very small (2-3 ppl at a
time) simultaneous bouts of archery, TW, fencing and fighting in
safety, or larger groups on separate days. Unfortunately, equestrian
really requires accomodations we can't provide, but it shouldn't be
forgotten.
We have also been thinking of an event with both A&S and martial arts
in a decathalon-type format. Then, Marian mentioned finding a period
reference to an Olympics-type event, which was exciting. Imagine
having a person emerge from this competition as someone who has
excelled at numerous types of martial and creative competition -
that's a Carolingian!
I think this is a complex issue. All activities, arts,
sciences, and martial activities, are going to tend to
wax and wane depending on the people involved and the
general cycle of interest. On the other hand, I think
Carolingia does need to consciously support its
martial activities, if only because, since we are a
relatively urban barony, it can be difficult to find
places to hold these martial activities at events or
even for practice.
One concern I've expressed to many people over the last two weeks is an
aversion to particularism, to specialization to the point of
exclusiveness,
among different activities in the barony. Because of that concern, I
definitely incline towards anything that would "support all [activities]
at
the same time." Specifically, Gwendolyn and I are thinking of something
perhaps akin to a Baronial Guard structure, made up of representatives of
all martial activities. (These thoughts growing especially from a
discussion with Jehan du Lac - giving credit where it is due.)
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The baron/baroness's primary role in the barony is encouragement. One of
my suggestions for encouraging a little more visibility for the martial
arts is to have a baronial guard again, but along slightly different
lines than the CRC. I was a member of the CRC and I greatly enjoyed the
opportunity not only to fence, but to serve the baron. That feeling of a
personal tie was a good one. My proposal for a Guard is to have one
composed of 2-3 members from each of the martial arts (heavy list,
fencing, archery, thrown weapons). When we have enough equestrians, we
could add that, too :). The members would be nominated by the marshalls
of the various arts, and would be taken from the "up-and-coming" people
with a few years experience who show a lot of promise. They would serve
for a year or two, and then others would take their place. It would
hopefully serve as a setting for recognizing their efforts, encouraging
them, and getting them more involved in the larger activities of the
barony, rather like the Queen's Guard does on a kingdom level. There
would be a captain, drawn in a rotation from from the different martial
arts, who would be a more experienced person. I love pagentry, which I
think really enriches our SCA experience, and the more period the
better. I think that the guard could be fun for the people in it and
watching it and would encourage pride in our martial skills.
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Currently there is a single structure that supports all of them... The
order of
the Perseus. I am still trying to find a way to blend that with the
model of
the
CRC though... It may be best to hold them seperate, and simply decorate
the
regalia to denote the award.
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There isn't any reason all of these arts can't exist and flourish at
the same time. Carolingia is a large and very diverse group. But you
do have to define your own success - what's an acceptable level of
activity? It means different things to different groups. The fine
arts go through this as well, and we've seen guilds go inactive for a
time until someone who has the drive comes in and decides more can be
done. These kinds of people will always be needed to ensure the
group's continuation, and thankfully, so far Carolingia has managed to
turn them up. But that requires support, too.
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